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[Formula One & motorsport] Round 16, Russia: In Soviet Russia, V12 drives you!

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    well

    that was.... very disappointing.

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    oldmankenoldmanken Registered User regular
    I enjoyed that, Lando Norris was particularly impressive, and I like what I am seeing from the McLaren. But oof on the Williams cars... They seem like they could be borderline dangerous to have on the track.

    Dirt 2.0 update... No update! Have to hang up the racing gloves for a bit. The baby arrived early and we just got out of the hospital yesterday, so may be a while before we get a routine in place.

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    I wouldn't worry too much yet
    This is a Mercedes track. Especially one lap pace wise. I think Ferrari are still going to challenge big time for the race victory and there are plenty of tracks coming up that suite their package. Or should at least.

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    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    oldmanken wrote: »
    I enjoyed that, Lando Norris was particularly impressive, and I like what I am seeing from the McLaren. But oof on the Williams cars... They seem like they could be borderline dangerous to have on the track.

    Dirt 2.0 update... No update! Have to hang up the racing gloves for a bit. The baby arrived early and we just got out of the hospital yesterday, so may be a while before we get a routine in place.

    'Grats! :)

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    KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    Quali
    I don't think I can sigh large enough for my feelings right now. I feel like I could probably make a lot of money correctly predicting the exact finishing order of a majority of the races right now

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    The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    Alonso got his endurance triple crown last night

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    oldmankenoldmanken Registered User regular
    Alonso got his endurance triple crown last night

    He also apparently broke the lap record by 3 seconds.

    He is very good at driving cars.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    With a little more time to reflect, I do have a little bit of hope left for a tight season

    The aero is VERY different this year from last year, and the two lead teams have very clear differences in philosophy in terms of how they've adopted this new package

    Mercedes has a history of purpose building their car for 1 lap speed and clean air running

    Ferrari has an INSANE amount of support on the grid with both Haas and Alfa looking like the clear best of the rest, I expect to see MANY pick operations and strategy shenanigans from these teams to help Ferrari

    if all this amounts to Vettel being able to get the Mercs in dirty air, then we might have a season

    The Merc is spooky fast, but it also looks like it's wound extremely tight, and does not accept curbs AT ALL, like... at all. Hamilton kissed a curb in Q2 and it nearly went into orbit. If any pressure can be applied, then it could turn out that maybe this car just doesn't handle well in battle situations

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited March 2019
    Alonso got his endurance triple crown last night

    Are we counting the 1000 Miles of Sebring as the 12 Hour in this case? I'm fine with it I suppose, but the actual 12 Hour is happening right now.

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    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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    oldmankenoldmanken Registered User regular
    The bumpiness of those Mercs was very noticable, an unique, during the qualifying. Agree with you Jasconius, that car seems very rigid in its setup.

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    The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    edited March 2019
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    Alonso got his endurance triple crown last night

    Are we counting the 1000 Miles of Sebring as the 12 Hour in this case? I'm fine with it I suppose, but the actual 12 Hour is happening right now.

    Oh I went by what my brother told me this is the imsa weather tech race tho? He was in the WEC

    Didnt realize there was 2 nifty!

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited March 2019
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    Alonso got his endurance triple crown last night

    Are we counting the 1000 Miles of Sebring as the 12 Hour in this case? I'm fine with it I suppose, but the actual 12 Hour is happening right now.

    Oh I went by what my brother told me this is the imsa weather tech race tho? He was in the WEC

    Didnt realize there was 2 nifty!

    Yeah, WEC drove yesterday as the 1000 Miles of Sebring (8'ish hour race). The classic 12 Hours of Sebring is going on right now, about 4 hours to go. It is indeed an IMSA race.

    So there is a way of looking at it to say that Alonso won the endurance triple, since he's now won an endurance race at Sebring...but it wasn't THE race at Sebring. People will have their own opinions on those semantics hehe.

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    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    Rumour has it that Ferrari are running the engines detuned due to reliability concerns. Apparently the cooling hasn't been able to cope with the heat. For Ferrari, this meant running a low downforce setup to compensate for the lack of power. The engine problem may affect all of the Ferrari powered cars.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    C4's coverage has changed slightly; Fleetwood Mac's iconic "The Chain" is no longer the theme music, which was jarring. But on the plus side, Stefano Domenicali and Billy Monger have joined the presenter line-up, which unfortunately is still led by Steve Jones, but I guess you can't have everything! But, even though they only get to do live coverage of one race this year (Silverstone) they're still out there, still doing their thing.

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    davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Watching FP3 earlier and they pointed out the contrails that are visible in real time coming off the spoilers this year. Very rad.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Gonna try and watch all the races live this year.

    Am excite!

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    altid wrote: »
    Rumour has it that Ferrari are running the engines detuned due to reliability concerns. Apparently the cooling hasn't been able to cope with the heat. For Ferrari, this meant running a low downforce setup to compensate for the lack of power. The engine problem may affect all of the Ferrari powered cars.

    This would be very interesting if true, because Ferrari has kind of led the charge on smaller side pod inlets and odd shaped overhead inlets. To the point where we constantly heard that everyone else was coping them but Mercedes was still doing their own thing in those areas.

    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    i know why arrivebene was fired

    there's a law that says that the most italian guy possible must be running the team, and this new guy obviously has him beat clean

    the round rim glasses finish it off

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    DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    A Honda in the lead... Holy shit, McLaren should be hitting themselves so hard right now...

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Bottas has already finished this race, showered and had dinner

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    DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    3 laps to go and VER with the fastest lap

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Fastest lap point thing is god damned genius.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    What the shit happened to Ferari in the middle of the race?
    Everyone give up?

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    DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    Damn, Bottas got it on second to last lap.

    But yeah, that point thing is awesome.

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    DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    Kvyat holding out Gasly was also a really fun fight.

    Good for Red Bull.

    What the heck, Ferrari?

    Fucking sucks for Ricciardo. :(

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Me as the new watcher: "Why does everyone say Valterri Bottas is a robot? Seems ok on radio."
    *watches interview*
    "Ah, yeah, ok"

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited March 2019
    What in the hell Ferrari? That was shameful. 51 seconds adrift of the Merc? Yikes. I stand corrected about Ferrari's pace. I really expected them to have decent race pace, but 51 seconds is just..ouch.

    I was listening to Vettel's engine on some of those onboards and I wonder if the rumor @altid pointed out is true, because his engine sounded de-ratey as hell at the end of any full throttle section. It just didn't sound good.

    At least Haas didn't throw it away with both cars again this year, but another wheel issue causing a retirement? Just really sad for them.
    Aridhol wrote: »
    What the shit happened to Ferari in the middle of the race?
    Everyone give up?
    I'm almost positive Vettel had an engine problem. His engine sounded like dog shit the last few laps on every on board and he was losing 7/10th's a lap to his teammate.

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    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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    oldmankenoldmanken Registered User regular
    Happy for Bottas, about time he got some luck. Brilliant drive from him.

    The Gasly - Kyvat battle was pretty good, but God damn, Gasly looked really timid.

    Also love Gio's defensive work on those older tires... Really well done.

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    evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    I see the traditional "this doesn't mean merc will dominate again" is in full force again.

    Maybe you'll all be right one year.

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    Merc hardly dominated last year - that was Ferrari throwing away an advantage.
    Bad start, bad pace and awful strategy for Hamilton. He looked like Bottas from the end of last season.

    Giovanazzi acting as a mobile chicane/tyre wear testbed in the race was poor form. Legal I know, but his tyres were long past dead and his blocking incredibly aggressive. Surprised it didn't result in a shunt.

    Lost interest half way through, fast forwarded through to the end and even that was a waste of time.

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular

    REDEMPTION FOR DANY

    Alfa Romeo is ahead of racing point???

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    "To whom it may concern: fuck you" is going to go down as one of the quotes of the year, isn't it :lol:

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular

    Something seems very wrong with the Ferrari. The car looks like dogshit in motion

    Alain Prost once said.... "If I look like I'm going fast, then I'm going slowly, and if I look I'm slow, then I'm going fast".... exactly the opposite is true right now. The Mercedes looks like a runaway fighter jet and has a clean second over the field, the Ferrari looks like an ice cream truck and was outclasses by the Red Bull easily

    The broadcasters theorized that maybe the heat could be to do with it, but historically it's been the Merc that has suffered in high temperatures.

    There's many variables to process here... there are in fact new tires which the teams don't seem to confident in, etc.... but overall this is looking more like Merc/Red Bull than Merc/Ferrari

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited March 2019
    Some new info about Hamilton's pace
    Apparently he picked up floor damage around lap 4 and was struggling with rear grip the whole race. That explains why he was just falling backward and complaining about the rear of the car all race.

    Also should scare the shit out of the rest of the field. If Bottas was 21s up the road, and Hamilton was able to relatively easily hold off Max with a damaged floor. Woowee. We may be in for 2015 all over again.

    evilbob wrote: »
    I see the traditional "this doesn't mean merc will dominate again" is in full force again.

    Maybe you'll all be right one year.

    Nah, if this pace was real, the field is in trouble.

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    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    After a bit of reflection on the race
    It was still dull as hell, even by Aus standards. I mean I love the atmosphere it has, especially with the opener, and the track is great to watch cars go around - but it's absolutely horrible for on track action.

    To be fair to Bottas, he had a really good race. Didn't put a foot wrong outside of qualifying. He's showing a more aggressive attitude but I'll reserve judgement until he keeps up performance over a whole season. I would have liked to see Hamilton closer at least, but the strategy call was dire. Stop massively early to cover off a Ferrari that has shown no sign of challenging you yet? At the very least use a bit of your buffer to see if new tyres have given Vettel pace before reacting. What may be interesting is that the 'new' mediums weren't anywhere close to on pace for a few laps. Could mean the undercut doesn't work anymore, but this is a data point of 1 (Hamilton), so will have to see if it's more general. Throwing away the extra life and pace in the softs also made the mediums need more management for the rest of the race than others. Terrible call.

    Ferrari clearly had some serious issue bugging them all weekend. A pity for Danny Ric on his Renault debut. Not great pace and basically ruined his race mostly on his own.

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited March 2019
    altid wrote: »
    After a bit of reflection on the race
    It was still dull as hell, even by Aus standards. I mean I love the atmosphere it has, especially with the opener, and the track is great to watch cars go around - but it's absolutely horrible for on track action.

    To be fair to Bottas, he had a really good race. Didn't put a foot wrong outside of qualifying. He's showing a more aggressive attitude but I'll reserve judgement until he keeps up performance over a whole season. I would have liked to see Hamilton closer at least, but the strategy call was dire. Stop massively early to cover off a Ferrari that has shown no sign of challenging you yet? At the very least use a bit of your buffer to see if new tyres have given Vettel pace before reacting. What may be interesting is that the 'new' mediums weren't anywhere close to on pace for a few laps. Could mean the undercut doesn't work anymore, but this is a data point of 1 (Hamilton), so will have to see if it's more general. Throwing away the extra life and pace in the softs also made the mediums need more management for the rest of the race than others. Terrible call.

    Ferrari clearly had some serious issue bugging them all weekend. A pity for Danny Ric on his Renault debut. Not great pace and basically ruined his race mostly on his own.
    Hamilton had floor damage, Mercedes confirmed after the race. While I agree the mediums fell off hard, Hamilton was still able to hold off a charging Verstrappen who had fresher tires and no damage. Yes Max helped with the lawn mowing session, but more than once Max got within a second of Lewis and couldn't get past. I do think they pitted Lewis too early in hind sight, but they had no idea Ferrari would fade like that and I genuinely believe they believed Ferrari was going to be the strongest package this year. I think this is Bottas race regardless once he got the jump at the start, but I think without floor damage you would have seen Lewis only a few seconds behind Bottas and much farther away from Vettel and Verstrappen.

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    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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    VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    One positive change from last season I think we can all agree on, those shiny new tires are the best.

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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    There was basically no overtaking the entire race. If Hamilton ran that race with damage, and his real pace is akin to Bottas', then it looks like Mercedes have no challengers this year.

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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    One positive change from last season I think we can all agree on, those shiny new tires are the best.

    I like the tire changes, as well as the fastest lap point. The fastest lap introduces a lot more uncertainty with regards to strategy and that can only make the races more interesting.

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    DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    Watching the race got me in playing mood. Started a season in F1 2018 with Renault. Gotta love the manual handling of the ERS, it's just so much fun to juggle that, fuel, driving and getting Jeff to tell me what I want to know.

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