I was Wukong, we had Yasuo, Alistair and Draven. Last pick picks... Brand, which makes me take Smite and go to Jungle (even though i cant play him in jungle), where i was constantly counterjungled. Brand was obvious smurf, and ended game with 20 kills, but we obviously lost game, because i fed too much, and our Alistair every occasion he had jumped to fights 4 vs 5 EVEN THOUH ENEMY HAD BARON BUFF. Obviously, i am the one to be blamed by absolutely everyone, and i won't be surprised if i get banned.
Enemy team drafts: Hecarim, Vlad, Annie, Kalista, Thresh
My team drafts: Fizz (top bruiser intention), Sivir, Morgana, Xin Zhao, Viktor.
Lolkinged everyone on my team; XZ has 45% winrate and 30 cs average after ~50 games; Fizz is ok but not astounding. Morg seems like a person falling out of my elo; forgot to look at Viktor. I know that even if I get megafed on Sivir I can't solo-carry against Hecarim+Vlad, especially needing to buy an early QSS for Annie.
I honestly could not see any scenario in which my team would win so I dodged. No regrets! Watching LCS has made me think much more about team comps and "win conditions".
I don't understand this philosophy. Also, don't you get put on disconnect island or something for all this dodging?
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I only see one dodge, there.
I think credeiki should be okay.
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i think it's a little silly to apply LCS standards regarding comps and win conditions to 90% of solo queue games
Enemy team drafts: Hecarim, Vlad, Annie, Kalista, Thresh
My team drafts: Fizz (top bruiser intention), Sivir, Morgana, Xin Zhao, Viktor.
Lolkinged everyone on my team; XZ has 45% winrate and 30 cs average after ~50 games; Fizz is ok but not astounding. Morg seems like a person falling out of my elo; forgot to look at Viktor. I know that even if I get megafed on Sivir I can't solo-carry against Hecarim+Vlad, especially needing to buy an early QSS for Annie.
I honestly could not see any scenario in which my team would win so I dodged. No regrets! Watching LCS has made me think much more about team comps and "win conditions".
I don't understand this philosophy. Also, don't you get put on disconnect island or something for all this dodging?
First off, prisoner's island is for people who break the rules. She's talking about dodging in champ select, which is an LP penalty, but not an in game matchmaking penalty.
Second of all, that philosophy is actually quite healthy. If you perceive weakness in your team, you go into the game with a defeatist or contrary attitude. 'Oh, either I carry this game entirely or we lose.' Or, 'There's no way we can win with an ADC thresh. let's just stick it out, I guess.' You're going to play worse. By dodging, you avoid a 30 minute game that you perceived as a loss, and should get 9 new players next time. Dodging is a smart move, because it's at worst a minor inconvenience, and at best a tactical decision to give you an advantage emotionally/mentally.
I think credeiki is doing themselves a disservice by hurriedly looking up everyone's stats then dodging. Based on some previous posts about wanting to raise their rank, maybe just playing the games and working on mechanics or remaining positive would be more productive for the long term health of credeiki's play.
Win or lose, those are skills that are invaluable.
I mean, yeah, if we were all diamond league or whatever, than we could look/care about LCS team comps.
i think it's a little silly to apply LCS standards regarding comps and win conditions to 90% of solo queue games
Actually a lot of rising in solo queue is about dodging "guaranteed" losses. I wish I had data to back this up, but I want to say 85% of the time I see dumb shit on my team like a 0 synergy heimer support, ADC jungle, someone cops an attitude almost immediately in champ select, etc. I generally go on to lose those games. After a while you can look at both teams and say.. hmm... our Ashe/Yorick/Yi/Zed/Shen comp is probably going to lose to their Annie/Sejuani/Sivir/Rumble/Naut. And then you do. And you feel dumb for not dodging.
It's not about applying LCS standards. It's looking at the behavior of your teammates and your team's composition (oh we're all AD vs Malphite+Rammus...) or familiar faces (oh shit this vlad is tilting hard, our last 2 games together we lost and he spammed chat..) and assessing your potential win. 3 LP and 5 minutes is a small price to pay to save 20 minutes and 20 LP. And you don't even lose any MMR!
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Orphanerivers of redthat run to seaRegistered Userregular
i think it's a little silly to apply LCS standards regarding comps and win conditions to 90% of solo queue games
Actually a lot of rising in solo queue is about dodging "guaranteed" losses. I wish I had data to back this up, but I want to say 85% of the time I see dumb shit on my team like a 0 synergy heimer support, ADC jungle, someone cops an attitude almost immediately in champ select, etc. I generally go on to lose those games. After a while you can look at both teams and say.. hmm... our Ashe/Yorick/Yi/Zed/Shen comp is probably going to lose to their Annie/Sejuani/Sivir/Rumble/Naut. And then you do. And you feel dumb for not dodging.
It's not about applying LCS standards. It's looking at the behavior of your teammates and your team's composition (oh we're all AD vs Malphite+Rammus...) or familiar faces (oh shit this vlad is tilting hard, our last 2 games together we lost and he spammed chat..) and assessing your potential win. 3 LP and 5 minutes is a small price to pay to save 20 minutes and 20 LP. And you don't even lose any MMR!
sure, i agree with what you've said but i'm not sure it applies to what credeiki said other than "well picked comps tend to win"
maybe i'm just too inured to shitty comps by playing too much aram so i don't see potential problems
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Just got a pentakill on Irelia in ranked! Oh joy.
soraka and irelia are indeed salvation, they'll drag me to diamond 1, one disgusting carry potential at a time
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Grats Vizard!
Man I have like 10 Vi games played and I just realized her passive has a cooldown. (because I was practicing my jungle route in a custom game and trying to space my abilities to use shield up each time "why aren't I getting my shield?!?!" haha).
I never had a Penta during 3 years of playing: the closest i was also with Irelia, in last seconds of game before destroying Nexus, but Janna stole fifth kill.
"Cries silently"
So yeah, Irelia is awesome. Too bad i suck with her.
Just got a pentakill on Irelia in ranked! Oh joy.
soraka and irelia are indeed salvation, they'll drag me to diamond 1, one disgusting carry potential at a time
I think credeiki is doing themselves a disservice by hurriedly looking up everyone's stats then dodging. Based on some previous posts about wanting to raise their rank, maybe just playing the games and working on mechanics or remaining positive would be more productive for the long term health of credeiki's play.
Win or lose, those are skills that are invaluable.
I mean, yeah, if we were all diamond league or whatever, than we could look/care about LCS team comps.
Sorry for not being more clear. I mean that watching LCS and hearing the words "win conditions" has made me think about thinking about how team comps and win conditions can apply to me in Silver 2. Also playing too many games with like, support Talon has made me ok with dodging during champ select. I've never afk'ed during a game, obviously. I also keep my doubts entirely to myself and allow my no-sightstone buying off-meta supports to do whatever they want. But it's not just passive silence; I play as the goddamn team psychiatrist all the time. I convince people to get out of the fountain and not lose hope and group and ward.
However, at the moment I am annoyed that @ForceVoid is making some unflattering assumptions about my person and my playstyle. If you think it's somehow unacceptable to wish to climb the Ranked ladder, that's fine; I disagree. I quite enjoy setting goals and trying to reach them. I also think it's good to have goals and try to achieve them in real life as well. That's simply how I am.
But to be more clear, in that particular game, here's what I thought:
My team Fizz vs their team Vladimir top lane: eeek. I simply haven't seen anyone play bruiser Fizz very well and I have seen A LOT of Vladimirs become unstoppable tanky and also high-damage monsters. Plus, I play Vladimir in normals and based on my knowledge of him I'd think it would be a good matchup for him. Hm.
My team Viktor vs their team Annie: Hm. Again, Annie is simply stronger at my level--how many times have you just seen Annie destroy? Viktor might be able to do a lot of damage though, if my team can peel for him...ohhh right I see we have Fizz top and XZ jungle. No one is going to be peeling for anyone.
My team Sivir+Morgana vs their team Kalista+Thresh: I actually do think that I will win this lane in farm, unless Kalista is smurfing, but I don't think I'll get kills outside of ganks. I am really afraid of playing against Kalista in lane--can't E her Rend. I've learned to play really far back and just avoid most skirmishes. But every time I've been against a Kalista my support gets rent and pretty wrecked. Do I think this Morgana is going to play sensibly and in general help me, or is she someone who got stuck playing support? (lolkings Morgana--oh wow, the latter. Damn. I play custom games every single week with a lvl 16 Morgana player as my support so I know how that can get. Not gonna be pretty.) And if I don't manage to get kills in lane and shut them down entirely, it won't matter come mid-late game--I'm not going to be able to shred Hecarim and Vlad quickly enough if I'm the one who has to carry--especially if I need to buy a QSS for Annie.
My team Xin Zhao vs their team Hecarim: is XZ good at XZ? Cause if he can give us a lvl 2 gank and also peel for Viktor after like a brilliant engage then this might be ok. This is again where lolking comes in--less than 50% winrate over about 40 games, bad KDA, 30 cs on average, not a jungler--ah, ok. So like he might not feed but this is not the god Xin Zhao we need to have any chance of winning here.
Our engage vs their engage: XZ runs in, I ult, some tension between XZ and Morg ults. Viktor can poke beforehand. They can engage or counter with: Hecarim, Annie, Kalista, Thresh. Ouch.
Yeah, I refuse to think it's a bad thing to be thoughtful about how team comps can play out in games at my level based on my experiences and understanding of the game. I also don't really mind when people dodge games I'm in; I don't feel like it hurts to have to redo champ select.
Yeah, I refuse to think it's a bad thing to be thoughtful about how team comps can play out in games at my level based on my experiences and understanding of the game. I also don't really mind when people dodge games I'm in; I don't feel like it hurts to have to redo champ select.
I certainly would rather have someone dodge than tilt with the full force of their confirmation bias behind them if things happen to go as they initially expected.
Which isn't to say that you're tilting, just, dodging comes with a time penalty, so it's not free, so I approve of dodging for whatever reason anyone feels necessary.
I think credeiki is doing themselves a disservice by hurriedly looking up everyone's stats then dodging. Based on some previous posts about wanting to raise their rank, maybe just playing the games and working on mechanics or remaining positive would be more productive for the long term health of credeiki's play.
Win or lose, those are skills that are invaluable.
I mean, yeah, if we were all diamond league or whatever, than we could look/care about LCS team comps.
However, at the moment I am annoyed that ForceVoid is making some unflattering assumptions about my person and my playstyle. If you think it's somehow unacceptable to wish to climb the Ranked ladder, that's fine; I disagree. I quite enjoy setting goals and trying to reach them. I also think it's good to have goals and try to achieve them in real life as well. That's simply how I am.
Apologies, I didn't meant to imply you were mechanically bad, just that we all could use more practice, and that building skills through practice will be more profitable and applicable to anyone climbing the ladder.
I think credeiki is doing themselves a disservice by hurriedly looking up everyone's stats then dodging. Based on some previous posts about wanting to raise their rank, maybe just playing the games and working on mechanics or remaining positive would be more productive for the long term health of credeiki's play.
Win or lose, those are skills that are invaluable.
I mean, yeah, if we were all diamond league or whatever, than we could look/care about LCS team comps.
However, at the moment I am annoyed that ForceVoid is making some unflattering assumptions about my person and my playstyle. If you think it's somehow unacceptable to wish to climb the Ranked ladder, that's fine; I disagree. I quite enjoy setting goals and trying to reach them. I also think it's good to have goals and try to achieve them in real life as well. That's simply how I am.
Apologies, I didn't meant to imply you were mechanically bad, just that we all could use more practice, and that building skills through practice will be more profitable and applicable to anyone climbing the ladder.
All in my opinion, of course.
Accepted; it's just that I view team analysis as one of the skills I am building as I climb. Sometimes the results of the analysis are used for me to choose a support that makes sense for how I think our team will fight (which has helped me a lot. Don't just pick Leona cause you like her, pick her when it makes sense). Sometimes they are used for me to think 'based on the lane matchup and her lolking record, I bet our LeBlanc is going to carry hard--how about I play safe and even make our lane nice and gankable for a roam'. Sometimes they are used for me to think 'oh man, I really can't envision how we're going to win this one'. And then I play it anyway and I tryhard with all my might. And very occasionally it's a win that seems all the more sweet because it was unlikely. Most of the time it's a loss, though, and I have enough trust in my own predictive capabilities now to dodge.
Obviously I'm mechanically bad, otherwise I wouldn't be in silver. But at the moment I think decision-making is holding me back more than micro (eg cs).
I don't look at play history as that doesn't give an accurate picture but if our teamcomp is missing something crucial, multiple people fighting over the same role, or pre-game rage, I dodge. If you want to lolking each persons performance, go ahead and do that. I don't do that but I don't fault you for doing it.
Dodging doesn't give MMR loss, so that LP loss is only temporary. It is in the long run well worth it to dodge games. Do weigh your overall team against the enemies overall team. I wouldn't dodge over one unfavorable lane/jungle, but if we have 3 unfavorable lanes/jungle I will consider dodging (sometimes I don't, because my teams attitude in pre-game is awesome and I want to play with those people!).
There is nothing wrong in improving your chance to win.
Practically a jump-scare when he flashed out of that bush
Also a really bad decision to go on fizz with you in the bush right there. He could have waited in the bush, and killed you for free given how low you were then turned to fizz who would be too far away to help without flashing and letting Lissandra clean him up.
After Release Cinderhulk, then Release Runeglaive, and the soon to be Release Devourer 2, I would be very happy if they just tested out all their new item ideas in featured game modes. We got mark/dash from Porobridge, and that was great.
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Why the fuck would you try to 2v5 contest a fucking Dragon when we have super-minions pushing in on our base!?
That feel when it's painfully clear the very exact point in a game where your team loses, and you had no part in it.
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I was Wukong, we had Yasuo, Alistair and Draven. Last pick picks... Brand, which makes me take Smite and go to Jungle (even though i cant play him in jungle), where i was constantly counterjungled. Brand was obvious smurf, and ended game with 20 kills, but we obviously lost game, because i fed too much, and our Alistair every occasion he had jumped to fights 4 vs 5 EVEN THOUH ENEMY HAD BARON BUFF. Obviously, i am the one to be blamed by absolutely everyone, and i won't be surprised if i get banned.
I don't understand this philosophy. Also, don't you get put on disconnect island or something for all this dodging?
I think credeiki should be okay.
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First off, prisoner's island is for people who break the rules. She's talking about dodging in champ select, which is an LP penalty, but not an in game matchmaking penalty.
Second of all, that philosophy is actually quite healthy. If you perceive weakness in your team, you go into the game with a defeatist or contrary attitude. 'Oh, either I carry this game entirely or we lose.' Or, 'There's no way we can win with an ADC thresh. let's just stick it out, I guess.' You're going to play worse. By dodging, you avoid a 30 minute game that you perceived as a loss, and should get 9 new players next time. Dodging is a smart move, because it's at worst a minor inconvenience, and at best a tactical decision to give you an advantage emotionally/mentally.
Win or lose, those are skills that are invaluable.
I mean, yeah, if we were all diamond league or whatever, than we could look/care about LCS team comps.
It's not about applying LCS standards. It's looking at the behavior of your teammates and your team's composition (oh we're all AD vs Malphite+Rammus...) or familiar faces (oh shit this vlad is tilting hard, our last 2 games together we lost and he spammed chat..) and assessing your potential win. 3 LP and 5 minutes is a small price to pay to save 20 minutes and 20 LP. And you don't even lose any MMR!
sure, i agree with what you've said but i'm not sure it applies to what credeiki said other than "well picked comps tend to win"
maybe i'm just too inured to shitty comps by playing too much aram so i don't see potential problems
soraka and irelia are indeed salvation, they'll drag me to diamond 1, one disgusting carry potential at a time
Man I have like 10 Vi games played and I just realized her passive has a cooldown. (because I was practicing my jungle route in a custom game and trying to space my abilities to use shield up each time "why aren't I getting my shield?!?!" haha).
"Cries silently"
So yeah, Irelia is awesome. Too bad i suck with her.
i just do not understand irelia.
but i am terrified whenever i see one.
And in one of those the Kayle on the other team, also with new Devourer, got two pentas.
energy drink in hand
time to play some league with ping below 500 :cool:
how drunk was he.
No idea! He was bald, though.
And then he got new Devourer on Shyvana with a Wit's End, Rageblade and BORK and started 'accidentally' 1shotting people with his Q.
Sorry for not being more clear. I mean that watching LCS and hearing the words "win conditions" has made me think about thinking about how team comps and win conditions can apply to me in Silver 2. Also playing too many games with like, support Talon has made me ok with dodging during champ select. I've never afk'ed during a game, obviously. I also keep my doubts entirely to myself and allow my no-sightstone buying off-meta supports to do whatever they want. But it's not just passive silence; I play as the goddamn team psychiatrist all the time. I convince people to get out of the fountain and not lose hope and group and ward.
However, at the moment I am annoyed that @ForceVoid is making some unflattering assumptions about my person and my playstyle. If you think it's somehow unacceptable to wish to climb the Ranked ladder, that's fine; I disagree. I quite enjoy setting goals and trying to reach them. I also think it's good to have goals and try to achieve them in real life as well. That's simply how I am.
But to be more clear, in that particular game, here's what I thought:
My team Fizz vs their team Vladimir top lane: eeek. I simply haven't seen anyone play bruiser Fizz very well and I have seen A LOT of Vladimirs become unstoppable tanky and also high-damage monsters. Plus, I play Vladimir in normals and based on my knowledge of him I'd think it would be a good matchup for him. Hm.
My team Viktor vs their team Annie: Hm. Again, Annie is simply stronger at my level--how many times have you just seen Annie destroy? Viktor might be able to do a lot of damage though, if my team can peel for him...ohhh right I see we have Fizz top and XZ jungle. No one is going to be peeling for anyone.
My team Sivir+Morgana vs their team Kalista+Thresh: I actually do think that I will win this lane in farm, unless Kalista is smurfing, but I don't think I'll get kills outside of ganks. I am really afraid of playing against Kalista in lane--can't E her Rend. I've learned to play really far back and just avoid most skirmishes. But every time I've been against a Kalista my support gets rent and pretty wrecked. Do I think this Morgana is going to play sensibly and in general help me, or is she someone who got stuck playing support? (lolkings Morgana--oh wow, the latter. Damn. I play custom games every single week with a lvl 16 Morgana player as my support so I know how that can get. Not gonna be pretty.) And if I don't manage to get kills in lane and shut them down entirely, it won't matter come mid-late game--I'm not going to be able to shred Hecarim and Vlad quickly enough if I'm the one who has to carry--especially if I need to buy a QSS for Annie.
My team Xin Zhao vs their team Hecarim: is XZ good at XZ? Cause if he can give us a lvl 2 gank and also peel for Viktor after like a brilliant engage then this might be ok. This is again where lolking comes in--less than 50% winrate over about 40 games, bad KDA, 30 cs on average, not a jungler--ah, ok. So like he might not feed but this is not the god Xin Zhao we need to have any chance of winning here.
Our engage vs their engage: XZ runs in, I ult, some tension between XZ and Morg ults. Viktor can poke beforehand. They can engage or counter with: Hecarim, Annie, Kalista, Thresh. Ouch.
Yeah, I refuse to think it's a bad thing to be thoughtful about how team comps can play out in games at my level based on my experiences and understanding of the game. I also don't really mind when people dodge games I'm in; I don't feel like it hurts to have to redo champ select.
I certainly would rather have someone dodge than tilt with the full force of their confirmation bias behind them if things happen to go as they initially expected.
Which isn't to say that you're tilting, just, dodging comes with a time penalty, so it's not free, so I approve of dodging for whatever reason anyone feels necessary.
Apologies, I didn't meant to imply you were mechanically bad, just that we all could use more practice, and that building skills through practice will be more profitable and applicable to anyone climbing the ladder.
All in my opinion, of course.
DUE: team. pls. we must group. we have a large gold advantage.
team: but we have 3 jungle items. we should clear their jungle
DUE: team. pls. we are losing our lead. we should group and take an objective.
team: but we have 3 jungle items. we should clear their jungle
DUE: team. pls. we need to group for safety they are taking the lead.
team: but we have 3 jungle items. i swear i can chase down this yasuo
Yasuo has earned a Quadra Kill
and i'm sitting here as nami like pew pew water gun ;-;
Accepted; it's just that I view team analysis as one of the skills I am building as I climb. Sometimes the results of the analysis are used for me to choose a support that makes sense for how I think our team will fight (which has helped me a lot. Don't just pick Leona cause you like her, pick her when it makes sense). Sometimes they are used for me to think 'based on the lane matchup and her lolking record, I bet our LeBlanc is going to carry hard--how about I play safe and even make our lane nice and gankable for a roam'. Sometimes they are used for me to think 'oh man, I really can't envision how we're going to win this one'. And then I play it anyway and I tryhard with all my might. And very occasionally it's a win that seems all the more sweet because it was unlikely. Most of the time it's a loss, though, and I have enough trust in my own predictive capabilities now to dodge.
Obviously I'm mechanically bad, otherwise I wouldn't be in silver. But at the moment I think decision-making is holding me back more than micro (eg cs).
Is AP GP still OP?
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Without knowing if they've changed his scalings, hard to say. He'll be less oppresive with the Ludens/Runeglaive interaction gone.
I don't look at play history as that doesn't give an accurate picture but if our teamcomp is missing something crucial, multiple people fighting over the same role, or pre-game rage, I dodge. If you want to lolking each persons performance, go ahead and do that. I don't do that but I don't fault you for doing it.
Dodging doesn't give MMR loss, so that LP loss is only temporary. It is in the long run well worth it to dodge games. Do weigh your overall team against the enemies overall team. I wouldn't dodge over one unfavorable lane/jungle, but if we have 3 unfavorable lanes/jungle I will consider dodging (sometimes I don't, because my teams attitude in pre-game is awesome and I want to play with those people!).
There is nothing wrong in improving your chance to win.
The designers had so much fun with those items. Looks amazing!
Also a really bad decision to go on fizz with you in the bush right there. He could have waited in the bush, and killed you for free given how low you were then turned to fizz who would be too far away to help without flashing and letting Lissandra clean him up.
wow uh
wow
they just
did they just put a whole new game inside of this game?
(i bet we're going to see some of this in season 6!)