That's great and all but the amount of r&d that went into the console, the amount of money they're losing on outdated touchscreens, etc, the game sales surely can't be outweighing all that
I mean
The sales of the Wii outweighed that, are still outweighing that, and will probably continue to outweigh that for the next decade
Also, Nintendo makes a profit on every Wii U sold now, and they have for I wanna say more than a year?
I am conflicted, I want splatoon but the WiiU is in my friends room not mine, Nd I know he would let me play whenever but I don't want to be a bother...
That's great and all but the amount of r&d that went into the console, the amount of money they're losing on outdated touchscreens, etc, the game sales surely can't be outweighing all that
How do you lose money by using something that's less expensive?
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It's not. Nintendo's consoles exist for the express purpose of being a platform for Nintendo to sell their games. As long as their games are hitting good targets (and they are), the performance of their console sales are irrelevant. They could never sell another Wii U again and remain perfectly successful for the remainder of this generation.
Yeah, we sold basically no consoles, but, uh, all ten people who bought one buy all three of our games that come out each year.
9 million copies of a game is a ridiculous, ludicrous success
Your irony here is laughable
Two thirds of those Smash sales come from the 3DS version
Nobody is sitting here saying the 3DS is unsuccessful
3 million copies then. What a dismal failure.
Again, we are talking about multiplayer player base.
Smash as of March sold 1.9 million copies in NA.
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I know this is the Nintendo thread and most of the posters in here are Big Nintendo Fans and all but you're out of your mind if you think a console that has sold a tenth of what its predecessor mustered, both worldwide and in America specifically, is a success.
I'm not calling it a bad console. Just that financially speaking it was a failure. We can agree to disagree if y'all want tho
Does the opposite of failure necessarily mean success
I wouldn't say the Wii U has failed, it initially sold at a loss but I think they said that the sale of 2 first-party games made up that loss, and I'd be willing to bet money that almost every person that owns a launch Wii U has bought two first-party Nintendo games, and now they're selling it for profit and obviously their first party titles do well (when you take the install base into account, anyways)
And yet the Wii U doesn't feel like a success at all
I know this is the Nintendo thread and most of the posters in here are Big Nintendo Fans and all but you're out of your mind if you think a console that has sold a tenth of what its predecessor mustered, both worldwide and in America specifically, is a success.
I'm not calling it a bad console. Just that financially speaking it was a failure. We can agree to disagree if y'all want tho
Financially, it hasn't been terribly successful this far, no. Nintendo was operating at a loss for a while. But they're not now. And by the end of the lifecycle (the only time it can truly be determined if it was a success or failure), I am fairly confident the profits will have made up for the losses. So no, financially, it is not a failure.
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As an aside sorry for perpetuating this argument.
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Clint EastwoodMy baby's in there someplaceShe crawled right inRegistered Userregular
I know this is the Nintendo thread and most of the posters in here are Big Nintendo Fans and all but you're out of your mind if you think a console that has sold a tenth of what its predecessor mustered, both worldwide and in America specifically, is a success.
I'm not calling it a bad console. Just that financially speaking it was a failure. We can agree to disagree if y'all want tho
Someone will likely come in and say "well of course it was never gonna match the Wii, the Wii was this huge moment that everyone attached to, even people that typically don't play games!"
And they might have a point, if the PS2 didn't decimate the original Wii's hardware sales by over 50 million and still had two successful follow-up consoles
All hardware initially sells at a loss to minimize the retail price and increase the user base. It catches up over time.
The main problems the wii u has are its name leading to confusion of what exactly it is with the general public and weaker hardware with an unusual peripheral keeping third party devs away. The game pad, while super cool, increases the cost of the system by a ton and adds a hurdle to ports between consoles.
People who call the Wii U a failure are making the same mistake most analysts make with Nintendo's finances--comparing them directly to the other console makers. Nintendo's business strategy and corporate makeup are nothing like the other players, so the metrics used to judge the others don't necessarily make sense for Nintendo. That isn't fanboyism talking--Nintendo really is unique in this industry. They don't need to and don't usually try to do the same things as Microsoft or Sony, so of course if you look at them through that lens they will look like a failure.
Sometimes it feels like any sort of criticism toward Nintendo is met with an immediate cacophony of sarcastic "here comes the DOOM again". Anything that Nintendo does that can be construed as a negative is handwaved away or even praised. It gets a little tiring.
I know this is the Nintendo thread and most of the posters in here are Big Nintendo Fans and all but you're out of your mind if you think a console that has sold a tenth of what its predecessor mustered, both worldwide and in America specifically, is a success.
I'm not calling it a bad console. Just that financially speaking it was a failure. We can agree to disagree if y'all want tho
Someone will likely come in and say "well of course it was never gonna match the Wii, the Wii was this huge moment that everyone attached to, even people that typically don't play games!"
And they might have a point, if the PS2 didn't decimate the original Wii's hardware sales by over 50 million and still had two successful follow-up consoles
Yes yes this is all very interesting but the Wii U's biggest failing thus far is not giving me a goddamn release date for Woolly World, I'm dying over here
As long as the company is making money they are not a failure.
Not actually true by a long shot.
I don't pretend to know what nintendo's metrics were when they launched the system but if a business isn't meeting their profit targets it impacts their ability to fund future projects.
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Clint EastwoodMy baby's in there someplaceShe crawled right inRegistered Userregular
As long as the company is making money they are not a failure.
Not actually true by a long shot.
I don't pretend to know what nintendo's metrics were when they launched the system but if a business isn't meeting their profit targets it impacts their ability to fund future projects.
the bombcast even happened to address a similar matter in game design this week!
giant bomb: we are in every thread. you cannot escape us.
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The GameCube was fucking awesome.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
The Wii U is a failure by every traditional metric but also isn't an albatross that's going to drag the company into the gutter or anything.
I also think it's a really good console that has a bigger and better library of games than the Wii had, to me. As a product, I think it successfully does a lot of the things it set out to do. Unfortunately for Nintendo, that hasn't been enough to push the console.
Reacting to the things Nintendo does with reflexive praise or hate is tiresome in both directions, IMO.
The Wii U is a failure by every traditional metric but also isn't an albatross that's going to drag the company into the gutter or anything.
I also think it's a really good console that has a bigger and better library of games than the Wii had, to me. As a product, I think it successfully does a lot of the things it set out to do. Unfortunately for Nintendo, that hasn't been enough to push the console.
Reacting to the things Nintendo does with reflexive praise or hate is tiresome in both directions, IMO.
I think this is why you see people get frustrated with the doom and gloom some people bring up around the Wii U
Nintendo has unbelievable cash reserves and some of the most valuable IP around
They aren't going anywhere because of one failed console.
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The sales of the Wii outweighed that, are still outweighing that, and will probably continue to outweigh that for the next decade
Also, Nintendo makes a profit on every Wii U sold now, and they have for I wanna say more than a year?
How do you lose money by using something that's less expensive?
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Two thirds of those Smash sales come from the 3DS version
Nobody is sitting here saying the 3DS is unsuccessful
3 million copies then. What a dismal failure.
Again, we are talking about multiplayer player base.
Smash as of March sold 1.9 million copies in NA.
I'm not calling it a bad console. Just that financially speaking it was a failure. We can agree to disagree if y'all want tho
I wouldn't say the Wii U has failed, it initially sold at a loss but I think they said that the sale of 2 first-party games made up that loss, and I'd be willing to bet money that almost every person that owns a launch Wii U has bought two first-party Nintendo games, and now they're selling it for profit and obviously their first party titles do well (when you take the install base into account, anyways)
And yet the Wii U doesn't feel like a success at all
Financially, it hasn't been terribly successful this far, no. Nintendo was operating at a loss for a while. But they're not now. And by the end of the lifecycle (the only time it can truly be determined if it was a success or failure), I am fairly confident the profits will have made up for the losses. So no, financially, it is not a failure.
Someone will likely come in and say "well of course it was never gonna match the Wii, the Wii was this huge moment that everyone attached to, even people that typically don't play games!"
And they might have a point, if the PS2 didn't decimate the original Wii's hardware sales by over 50 million and still had two successful follow-up consoles
Judging by its eBay prices, not rare at all
http://www.audioentropy.com/
The main problems the wii u has are its name leading to confusion of what exactly it is with the general public and weaker hardware with an unusual peripheral keeping third party devs away. The game pad, while super cool, increases the cost of the system by a ton and adds a hurdle to ports between consoles.
Wii u will probably have turned them a profit when everything is said and done
But when you're performjng worse than the gamecube did it's hard not to call your system a failure by some metrics
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Please understand.
If the rate at which you're making money has plummeted then what the hell else do you call it
http://www.audioentropy.com/
What
No
Breaking even or a little better than breaking even is absolutely failing
Not actually true by a long shot.
I don't pretend to know what nintendo's metrics were when they launched the system but if a business isn't meeting their profit targets it impacts their ability to fund future projects.
Japan time?
the bombcast even happened to address a similar matter in game design this week!
giant bomb: we are in every thread. you cannot escape us.
no that's why it's a success
go back to your cat porn
I also think it's a really good console that has a bigger and better library of games than the Wii had, to me. As a product, I think it successfully does a lot of the things it set out to do. Unfortunately for Nintendo, that hasn't been enough to push the console.
Reacting to the things Nintendo does with reflexive praise or hate is tiresome in both directions, IMO.
I think this is why you see people get frustrated with the doom and gloom some people bring up around the Wii U
Nintendo has unbelievable cash reserves and some of the most valuable IP around
They aren't going anywhere because of one failed console.