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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    Almost everyone at my store is playing some variation of green ramp into big creatures, all arguing over whether abzan or GR are the best ways to go

    Yes, my pretties. Every last one of you go with a big creature strategy. I have a surprise for you all.

    Whippy
  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    Knob wrote: »
    Almost everyone at my store is playing some variation of green ramp into big creatures, all arguing over whether abzan or GR are the best ways to go

    Yes, my pretties. Every last one of you go with a big creature strategy. I have a surprise for you all.

    Is it Fog? It should be Fog.

    Also re: this Fog deck, why is it none of them are using flip Jace? He seems like a perfectly viable option for games 2-3 after they've boarded out all their removal.

  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    He'd flip almost immediately and i don't think he's super useful after he flips for fog.

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  • APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    edited July 2015
    He'd flip almost immediately and i don't think he's super useful after he flips for fog.

    This!

    Basically you are binning a TON of cards off Monastary Sieges. Like millions.

    He'll often loot ONCE. Maybe twice. Then flip. And his flipped form is useless. The + is irrelevant since you are fogging anyway (and note half your fogs don't protect Walkers, so he'll die immediately). The - does nothing since flashing back Fogs is pointless. The ultimate is great, but a) you'll never get there because half your fogs don't protect him and b) if your at the point where you can Ult him, you've probably already won.

    Edit: and what are you cutting for him?

    Against creature decks: Certainly not fogs (and I'm counting Spouts and Undoing as fogs since they basically are). Certainly not Engine pieces (Siege, Tutelage, insight). Cruise is better card draw...

    And that's the whole deck.

    Against control? Maybe some fogs leave. Certainly Spouts. But there are probably better cards to bring in against control. Negate for example.

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  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    Really the thing holding back Turbo Fog is how shitty the Fogs are right now in Standard.

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Registered User regular
    actually based on recent tournaments i feel confident saying what's keeping back turbofog is 5-colour Rally

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    actually based on recent tournaments i feel confident saying what's keeping back turbofog is 5-colour Rally

    Rally the Garycestors is still a deck I want to try, even though I know it is bad and I should feel bad.

  • APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    Radius wrote: »
    Really the thing holding back Turbo Fog is how shitty the Fogs are right now in Standard.

    Yeah. If there was one more good <=CMC 2 fog, the deck would be nuts.

    The good news is the deck is surprisingly resistant to rotation. It loses Insight and a Fog. We can assume the Fog probably gets replaced in BFZ (there's almost always a fog). So if they give us one other good piece it could really elevate the deck.

    Like, oh say, Hedron crab

  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    edited July 2015
    I really don't see them reprinting landfall cards in a format with fetches

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    actually based on recent tournaments i feel confident saying what's keeping back turbofog is 5-colour Rally

    Rally the Garycestors is still a deck I want to try, even though I know it is bad and I should feel bad.

    http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=87858

    i mean if you look at the deck there's the implication that what let a rally deck be competitive was not being addicted to the notion of redoing ETB effects like siege rhino and gary

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  • APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    edited July 2015
    actually based on recent tournaments i feel confident saying what's keeping back turbofog is 5-colour Rally

    What? Did they play each other? Cause that matchup seems GREAT for Turbofog.

    Deck wins by attacking. You just fog.

    And it mills itself A TON.

    I guess it can kill you before your set up to protect yourself (you really do need to be able to tap out once or twice early to get Siege/Tutelage down)

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    edited July 2015
    Kilroy wrote: »
    I really don't see them reprinting landfall cards in a format with fetches

    But zendikar was a format with fetches and landfall

    edit unless you mean you think wotc will have decided landfall and fetches was too strong and won't do it again

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Registered User regular
    Kilroy wrote: »
    I really don't see them reprinting landfall cards in a format with fetches

    isn't that like

    the only format they'd print landfall in

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  • APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    They also have that thing about meeting expectations. What do people think of, gameplay wise, when they think of Zendikar?

    Eldrazi. Landfall

  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Registered User regular
    without the ability to play a land at instant speed, landfall becomes a much less interesting mechanic

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  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    Kilroy wrote: »
    I really don't see them reprinting landfall cards in a format with fetches

    isn't that like

    the only format they'd print landfall in

    there will always be an evolving wilds/terramorphic expanse

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  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    They also have that thing about meeting expectations. What do people think of, gameplay wise, when they think of Zendikar?

    Traps. Quests.

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    Kilroy
  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    RTR didn't have all the same mechanics as og ravnica, so I don't think they necessarily want these revisits to play exactly the same

  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    I admit that it's entirely possible that I'm way off base here and am blinded by how boring I think landfall is compared to all the other zendikar mechanics

  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    ravnica didn't play the same but it played SIMILAR and they went for a thing where the old mechanic for a guild played nicely with the new mechanic for that same guild

    i think we'll absolutely have landfall in bfz block, there'll be eldrazi with a new mechanic, and then there are allies that got confirmed already, i guess? so i don't know what else they'll be doing that goes along with all that

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    Personally I hope they cut the most boring thing about Zendikar: Eldrazi

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  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    Kilroy wrote: »
    I admit that it's entirely possible that I'm way off base here and am blinded by how boring I think landfall is compared to all the other zendikar mechanics

    Brother.

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  • APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    Honestly landfall probably won't be back

    And if it is, they won't reprint Hedron Crab

    Why? Cause WOTC hates my dreams.

  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    Personally I hope they cut the most boring thing about Zendikar: Eldrazi

    A stunning last minute change of direction, as they cut the most boring thing about Zendikar: Zendikar itself.

    Mercadian Masques 2, Coming October 2nd 2015

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    Hardon Crab

    Heh

    Heh heh

  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    maybe they don't do landfall and instead do another land-centric mechanic

    but i have no idea what that would be

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    RETRACE!

  • APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    Watch WOTC troll everyone:

    BFZ: no fetches. No landfall. No eldrazi (the art was all a lie!). No full art lands.

  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    Raven's Crime reprint.

    No one is happy ever again.

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  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    Knob wrote: »
    RETRACE!

    mmmmmaybe

    they've said that they're not big fans of repetitive gameplay, though

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    The most important thing I know about landfall is to never play Collective Voyage when someone else has Ob Nixilis out.

    (I was a bystander on this but gleefully contributed mana, I was going to lose anyway).

  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    eldrazi will be a special prerelease-only event

  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    actually based on recent tournaments i feel confident saying what's keeping back turbofog is 5-colour Rally

    Rally the Garycestors is still a deck I want to try, even though I know it is bad and I should feel bad.

    http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=87858

    i mean if you look at the deck there's the implication that what let a rally deck be competitive was not being addicted to the notion of redoing ETB effects like siege rhino and gary

    But without Gary that deck can't even beat turbofog so why would I play it.

    Also @Knob retrace is a pretty good mechanic to come back to for a ravaged Zendikar. I'd love to see it.

  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    maybe they don't do landfall and instead do another land-centric mechanic

    but i have no idea what that would be

    manlands

  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    manlands aren't a mechanic!

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  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    Landorus, the first Magic/Pokemon crossover.

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  • metaghostmetaghost Registered User regular
    ORI hits modo today.

    You know what else happens tonight? My girlfriends cousin arrives to stay with us for a week.

    Which means no ORI drafting for me for a week. GRRRRR TIMING.

    You can't teach your girlfriend's cousin the joys of drafting?

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  • APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    Kilroy wrote: »
    maybe they don't do landfall and instead do another land-centric mechanic

    but i have no idea what that would be

    manlands

    Those aren't a mechanic though. You can't really print many, and certainly not out of Rare.

    We may get them. But if they want Lands Matter as a theme again, they don't help. Remeber: if your theme isn't at common, it's not your theme

  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    actually based on recent tournaments i feel confident saying what's keeping back turbofog is 5-colour Rally

    Rally the Garycestors is still a deck I want to try, even though I know it is bad and I should feel bad.

    http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=87858

    i mean if you look at the deck there's the implication that what let a rally deck be competitive was not being addicted to the notion of redoing ETB effects like siege rhino and gary

    But without Gary that deck can't even beat turbofog so why would I play it.

    Also @Knob retrace is a pretty good mechanic to come back to for a ravaged Zendikar. I'd love to see it.
    Beats Turbofog about as well as your average midrange deck packing enchantment hate in the side.

    I'm not sure why that's a big consideration though.

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  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    it was a joke about how much I want to sleeve up my celestial colonnades again

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