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Puzzle and Dragons
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Its actually more of Bejewled + Pokemon = Hello Kitty... And Batman... and Dragonball.
Think of bejeweled if you could move an orb as far as five seconds could get you, and make as many combos as you can. Colored orbs cause your monsters of the same color to attack when 3+ are matched, and hearts restore damage you take from monsters attacking you. Make as many combos as possible to rack up the damage. Unless you have row enhance awakenings in which case get six orbs of the same type across. Unless you are trying to stall in which case... actually this game gets absurdly complicated for a Match 3 game. Luckily the resources below have all the answers if you want to poke through them.
Something about this free game inspires people to donate a lot of money to them. Be careful.
This thread is also monitored by a lot of people who have (sadly?) been playing the same mobile game for over a year everyday. So feel free to ask if you have any questions.
Don't roll outside of Godfest.
Unless there is extenuating circumstances:
Don't continue
Don't spend stones to restore stamina.
You'll regret it eventually.
You may or may not regret spending Real Life money on this game. You may or may not regret spending an absurd amount of real life money on this game.
You may or may not regret spending an embarrassing amount of money on this game.
Previous Threads
March 1, 2013 - June 13, 2013
Second PA thread
Third PA Thread
Fourth PA Thread
Fifth PA Thread
Super Helpful Starter Document.
FAQ:
How much does this cost?
The game is free to play, with a premium currency of magic stones. 1 Magic Stone = 1 Dollar.
How long before I hit the pay wall?
Luckily, the game distributes ~14-20 stones per month so if you get a good start by following the tips below you won't need to spend a cent to clear all the content.
Okay, so how do I get a good start?
I'm sure you noticed the fun tutorial? At the end it makes you pull the golden dragon and out pops an egg? Well here's the thing: That egg can be anything that comes out of the Golden Dragon. You could get the most powerful monster in the game, or you could get some trash that has no purpose except to make you weep. You can also delete the application and redownload it to get another run through the tutorial and another free roll on the Golden Dragon.
Do you see where I'm going with this? Depending on your tolerance for Pain, you can run through the tutorial over and over until you start with exactly what you want.
What is a good starting monster than?
If you are planning on spending money in the game, it doesn't matter as much what you start with as you can always buy more stones if not here are some recommendations:
Starting rolls:
What is the most important thing to know about this game?
If there isn't a Godfest Active *DO NOT PULL ON THE GOLDEN DRAGON*
Godfest? Golden Dragon?
The Golden Dragon/Rare Egg Machine/REM/Premium Gacha is a machine that eats 5 magic stones and barfs out a monster. This can be a farmable monster or an incredibly powerful God. Remember 5 stones= 5$, so unless you are willing to donate a lot of money you probably want to maximize your chances at getting a God, since you'll get the farmable monsters with a bit of effort, but Gods are only from the Golden Dragon. Every other week there will be a "Godfest" where you have a 3x chance to hit a God when you roll, or an estimated 1 out of 3 chance. Only spend your stones to roll during Godfest. Its recommended to not roll at all until you get a good amount of box space and friends, but pulling is one of the fun parts of the game, so as long as you only pull during Godfest no one will yell at you. Probably.
I'm out of Box Space!
That's not a question, but it will be a common problem. The solution is to spend magic stones on increasing your box size. This should be where all of your early stones go. Try to get up to 100 boxes at least before you spend magic stones on *ANYTHING* else
Which Monsters are Worth Keeping?
This article is a great resource on what to do with the monsters that drop as you go along. pad.wikia.com/wiki/Valuable_Monsters
How do I keep track of all these monsters?
Setup an account on Padherder.com. This site will keep track of what you need to evolve the monsters you get, and how much exp to get them to the next level.
If you are on Android and lazy you can use the padhereder listener app.
And if I'm on iOS?
Lucky you, you get to do the physical challenge!
Actually there is a way to get your data imported, but its work.
What should I call the Chinese Gods
(Color) Chinese god.
How do I play with other awesome Penny Arcade People?
Add yourself to the Penny Arcade Puzzle and Dragons User Database of Wonderment and Joy, and send friend invites to everyone on it. If people are full, then @ them in this thread and they will typically make room for a fellow forumer.
How do I know how what % Life a boss has/I have?
How does skilling up a monster work?
If you feed your monster another monster with *the exact same skill name*, you'll have a 10% chance to increase the skill level, which makes the skill charge one turn faster. During events the skillup rate is x2, so do not try to skillup outside of an event unless you hate your time/money.
Does anyone know what the math is for combos vs. multi-orb matches?
Like, how much does a 2-combo multiply my attacks? How about a 4 or 5 orb match in one color? If I've got 6 orbs of one color in the grid, am I better off making a line of six or two 3-orb matches? If I've got two adjacent lines of 3 in the same color that are touching they clear as one match instead of a two combo. Does that count the same as matching six in a line?
Short Answer making combos is better than making big clumps of orbs unless Awoken skills/orb enhancers are in play.
pad.wikia.com/wiki/Game_Mechanics#Damage_Calculation
Question
This is a great read.
http://www.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/wiki/descendeddungeons
Obviously any list of difficulty depends on the monsters you have.
Hera is fairly unarguably the easiest, probably two heroes is next.
How to beat most levels in challenge mode:
Make Ronia friends.
Get a Hera-Ur.
Use Hera-Ur as your leader, and fill up the rest of the team with fully awoken Ronias. Clear everything easily with the power of poor balancing.
Also Green/White Present Dragon and 5 Awoken Odins can clear some tricky tech dungeons.
How do I beat the Hardest Evo Material Dungeons?
Tuesday - Keeper of Gold. A ton of plus eggs and luck. There are many teams listed on puzzledragonx, I haven't gotten one to work yet.
Wednesday - Blue/Green Masks (aka 99 turn skill bind fun) Get an autohealer and a friend Green Odin. Fill your team with dual attribute monsters, first few waves group attack as much as possible,
mystic mask round kill the red masks first, no group attacks.
Last wave, target the blue mask, combo/heal until skill bind lets up. Poison the blue mask and gravity if you have it. When blue mask is almost dead, start lowering the green masks' life.
Thursday - Dreaming Dragonfruit - I hear Shiva/Ronia works great here. Satan can work or get you orb screwed, tough with combo leads due to less orb match time. I haven't gotten a good plan here.
Friday - Funding Sky Prison ☺T╩♦•◘○♣♦☻ - There are many teams out there, most popular is ultimate zeus/ultimate zeus, Hera-Is, Poison/ra/bane, Naga, something else (spread cats is good).
1st round make enough combos to kill all but one/two mythlits. If you start with no light orbs or you get too many combos, you just wasted 50 stamina! FUN!
2nd round you want to use poison to clear before the Dubs kill you. They hit very hard.
3rd round use naga, make a couple of mass attacks then kill the dubs leaving the tamadra. Let it bind you then move orbs until you get all skills up.
Round 4 35%gravity x 2 30% gravity, spread cats, delay, make as many combos as possible and hope you kill them. This dungeon is very frustrating.
Also since you are playing this game and are not me you probably have ronia so why not just do it the easy way!
I have too many coins, what's with these coin dungeons?
A tip video recommended heartily by @ElementWrath
Watch at 1.5x speed!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLku-s20EBE
Thoth and Sopdet are god awful. Be aware.
Zeus Vulcan is pretty terrible too.
Misc Links to be sorted:
Dungeon Bonus Timetable
pad.wikia.com
Puzzledragonx Database
Puzzle & Dragons Global Wiki
Monsters Beginners Should Farm For
Efficient Power Up Fusions
Official Facebook Page
Puzzle & Dragon Simulator
Added September 4, 2013:
Skill up info with chart
Drop Rate info with chart
+Egg Farming Info
+ = Its actually more of Bejewled + Pokemon = Hello Kitty... And Batman... and Dragonball.
Think of bejeweled if you could move an orb as far as five seconds could get you, and make as many combos as you can. Colored orbs cause your monsters of the same color to attack when 3+ are matched, and hearts restore damage you take from monsters attacking you. Make as many combos as possible to rack up the damage. Unless you have row enhance awakenings in which case get six orbs of the same type across. Unless you are trying to stall in which case... actually this game gets absurdly complicated for a Match 3 game. Luckily the resources below have all the answers if you want to poke through them.
Something about this free game inspires people to donate a lot of money to them. Be careful.
This thread is also monitored by a lot of people who have (sadly?) been playing the same mobile game for over a year everyday. So feel free to ask if you have any questions.
Don't roll outside of Godfest.
Unless there is extenuating circumstances:
Don't continue
Don't spend stones to restore stamina.
You'll regret it eventually.
You may or may not regret spending Real Life money on this game. You may or may not regret spending an absurd amount of real life money on this game.
You may or may not regret spending an embarrassing amount of money on this game.
Previous Threads
March 1, 2013 - June 13, 2013
Second PA thread
Third PA Thread
Fourth PA Thread
Fifth PA Thread
Super Helpful Starter Document.
FAQ:
How much does this cost?
The game is free to play, with a premium currency of magic stones. 1 Magic Stone = 1 Dollar.
How long before I hit the pay wall?
Luckily, the game distributes ~14-20 stones per month so if you get a good start by following the tips below you won't need to spend a cent to clear all the content.
Okay, so how do I get a good start?
I'm sure you noticed the fun tutorial? At the end it makes you pull the golden dragon and out pops an egg? Well here's the thing: That egg can be anything that comes out of the Golden Dragon. You could get the most powerful monster in the game, or you could get some trash that has no purpose except to make you weep. You can also delete the application and redownload it to get another run through the tutorial and another free roll on the Golden Dragon.
Do you see where I'm going with this? Depending on your tolerance for Pain, you can run through the tutorial over and over until you start with exactly what you want.
What is a good starting monster than?
If you are planning on spending money in the game, it doesn't matter as much what you start with as you can always buy more stones if not here are some recommendations:
Starting rolls:
Sonia, particularly red www.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/comments/2c4bba/the_seven_stages_of_sonia
Any Egyptian God, most of the 3K gods, any Chinese God, but especially Kirin.
Any Egyptian God, most of the 3K gods, any Chinese God, but especially Kirin.
What is the most important thing to know about this game?
If there isn't a Godfest Active *DO NOT PULL ON THE GOLDEN DRAGON*
Godfest? Golden Dragon?
The Golden Dragon/Rare Egg Machine/REM/Premium Gacha is a machine that eats 5 magic stones and barfs out a monster. This can be a farmable monster or an incredibly powerful God. Remember 5 stones= 5$, so unless you are willing to donate a lot of money you probably want to maximize your chances at getting a God, since you'll get the farmable monsters with a bit of effort, but Gods are only from the Golden Dragon. Every other week there will be a "Godfest" where you have a 3x chance to hit a God when you roll, or an estimated 1 out of 3 chance. Only spend your stones to roll during Godfest. Its recommended to not roll at all until you get a good amount of box space and friends, but pulling is one of the fun parts of the game, so as long as you only pull during Godfest no one will yell at you. Probably.
I'm out of Box Space!
That's not a question, but it will be a common problem. The solution is to spend magic stones on increasing your box size. This should be where all of your early stones go. Try to get up to 100 boxes at least before you spend magic stones on *ANYTHING* else
Which Monsters are Worth Keeping?
This article is a great resource on what to do with the monsters that drop as you go along. pad.wikia.com/wiki/Valuable_Monsters
How do I keep track of all these monsters?
Setup an account on Padherder.com. This site will keep track of what you need to evolve the monsters you get, and how much exp to get them to the next level.
If you are on Android and lazy you can use the padhereder listener app.
And if I'm on iOS?
Lucky you, you get to do the physical challenge!
Actually there is a way to get your data imported, but its work.
What should I call the Chinese Gods
(Color) Chinese god.
How do I play with other awesome Penny Arcade People?
Add yourself to the Penny Arcade Puzzle and Dragons User Database of Wonderment and Joy, and send friend invites to everyone on it. If people are full, then @ them in this thread and they will typically make room for a fellow forumer.
How do I know how what % Life a boss has/I have?
How does skilling up a monster work?
If you feed your monster another monster with *the exact same skill name*, you'll have a 10% chance to increase the skill level, which makes the skill charge one turn faster. During events the skillup rate is x2, so do not try to skillup outside of an event unless you hate your time/money.
Does anyone know what the math is for combos vs. multi-orb matches?
Like, how much does a 2-combo multiply my attacks? How about a 4 or 5 orb match in one color? If I've got 6 orbs of one color in the grid, am I better off making a line of six or two 3-orb matches? If I've got two adjacent lines of 3 in the same color that are touching they clear as one match instead of a two combo. Does that count the same as matching six in a line?
Short Answer making combos is better than making big clumps of orbs unless Awoken skills/orb enhancers are in play.
pad.wikia.com/wiki/Game_Mechanics#Damage_Calculation
Question
Aktn Bstrd wrote: »Is there a list that shows the best way to approach descends? Like in order by difficulty. I really wish I could do Athena descended but I know that would be me throwing away 50 stamina.
This is a great read.
http://www.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/wiki/descendeddungeons
Obviously any list of difficulty depends on the monsters you have.
Hera is fairly unarguably the easiest, probably two heroes is next.
How to beat most levels in challenge mode:
Make Ronia friends.
Get a Hera-Ur.
Use Hera-Ur as your leader, and fill up the rest of the team with fully awoken Ronias. Clear everything easily with the power of poor balancing.
Also Green/White Present Dragon and 5 Awoken Odins can clear some tricky tech dungeons.
How do I beat the Hardest Evo Material Dungeons?
Tuesday - Keeper of Gold. A ton of plus eggs and luck. There are many teams listed on puzzledragonx, I haven't gotten one to work yet.
Wednesday - Blue/Green Masks (aka 99 turn skill bind fun) Get an autohealer and a friend Green Odin. Fill your team with dual attribute monsters, first few waves group attack as much as possible,
mystic mask round kill the red masks first, no group attacks.
Last wave, target the blue mask, combo/heal until skill bind lets up. Poison the blue mask and gravity if you have it. When blue mask is almost dead, start lowering the green masks' life.
Thursday - Dreaming Dragonfruit - I hear Shiva/Ronia works great here. Satan can work or get you orb screwed, tough with combo leads due to less orb match time. I haven't gotten a good plan here.
Friday - Funding Sky Prison ☺T╩♦•◘○♣♦☻ - There are many teams out there, most popular is ultimate zeus/ultimate zeus, Hera-Is, Poison/ra/bane, Naga, something else (spread cats is good).
1st round make enough combos to kill all but one/two mythlits. If you start with no light orbs or you get too many combos, you just wasted 50 stamina! FUN!
2nd round you want to use poison to clear before the Dubs kill you. They hit very hard.
3rd round use naga, make a couple of mass attacks then kill the dubs leaving the tamadra. Let it bind you then move orbs until you get all skills up.
Round 4 35%gravity x 2 30% gravity, spread cats, delay, make as many combos as possible and hope you kill them. This dungeon is very frustrating.
Also since you are playing this game and are not me you probably have ronia so why not just do it the easy way!
Twinlt super easy mode: lilith/echidna + enough skill awakenings to make lilith available on turn 2.
Sweep 1
Poison turn before damage from the dublits
Echidna on the next round.
Rest of your team just needs to be able to kill the actual twins
My team: beezelbub/ronia/ronia/echidna/lilith
There are options of course
I have too many coins, what's with these coin dungeons?
Also, I tried some more of the coin dungeons. My overall reviews:
Alt Castle of Satan in the Abyss - 1 million
Shrine of Green Water - 1 million
Challenging dungeons with quite good Exp and Coins per stamina. It also drops high level monsters that provide 10k-15k experience each. Overall a very efficient use of stamina if you have some to burn. Don't forget the free stone.
Warning - Watch out for the King Metal Dragon, he'll eat your face
Together At Last! Evo Rush!! - 3 million
Costs 35 stamina. Gives you a shot at a Dragon Fruit, a Dub-Mythlit, a Mystic Mask, and a Rainbow Keeper. Includes a guaranteed random Keeper. Worth doing once for the free stone, I'd avoid it otherwise.
Tamadra Village - 10 million
Awesome! Bring two poisons and you can't lose. The only downside is that at 99 stamina a run it'll almost certainly cost you a stone per try, but it's still worth it. At worst you'll get 4 Baby Tamadras a run, plus you have a shot at skillups for GrOdin and ROdin. If you run a lot of different teams and need a lot of awakenings, this is the perfect dungeon for you.
Bonus Review: Weekend Dungeon - Legend
The individual waves of this dungeon are about as hard as the boss wave on Master difficulty. Watch out for wave 5 with the three Mystic Masks - bring poison or some massive burst to break their armor. If you don't have a Robin or Kushinada, grab a Poison Ivy while the DC Collab is still around.
Otherwise, wave 9 is fairly easy. Wave 10 is the same as the final wave of Two Heroes, so make sure you can survive a hit from Berserk and get past Highlander's armor,.
For fun, my team:
Watch at 1.5x speed!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLku-s20EBEThoth and Sopdet are god awful. Be aware.
Zeus Vulcan is pretty terrible too.
cantide what kinds of things are worth saving to sell for monster points?
If it's not REM, don't worry about it. If it is REM, the more stars the better: I think it's 3k for 4 stars. 5k for 5, 15k for 6. Only the stars of the initial evolution matter. If you take a 4 star card and evolve it into a 5 star, it will still be worth only 3k.
Technically you can sell non REM monsters too, but they're worthless. Most sell for 1 point, non descend bosses like biweekly dragons sell for 5, and descend bosses sell for 10. They had an event recently where certain difficult descend bosses were worth 100 instead, but it was still a trap: 50 stamina for 100 monster points means it would take 30 runs aka 1500 stamina just to buy a Tamadra.
For price perspective, the latent Tamadras all cost between 10k and 20k, the dragon series is 300k, and they introduced a new marionette trio this week for 250k each whose gimmick is changing the enemy's color.
Misc Links to be sorted:
Dungeon Bonus Timetable
pad.wikia.com
Puzzledragonx Database
Puzzle & Dragons Global Wiki
Monsters Beginners Should Farm For
Efficient Power Up Fusions
Official Facebook Page
Puzzle & Dragon Simulator
Added September 4, 2013:
Skill up info with chart
Drop Rate info with chart
+Egg Farming Info
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Finally all edited. Only a year later...
I know, I lost the bbcode for the op. Will see what can be done. Sorry all.
edit: The mods are wonderful people! ^_^
Thanks for making the new thread. I was eyeing it earlier, but just didn't feel right having a name other than @38thDoe there.
So last night I basically failed every dungeon I attempted including an attempt to rank up on Starlight Sanctuary where Zeus has less than 2% HP remaining.
Grrrr...
Have you seen him? Now you have
Agreed. Honestly its hard to beat the starter doc from reddit that's in there. As always if you think things would work better sorted differently, etc, I am open to changing it around.
I'm going to throw out the most likely unpopular opinion of replacing Echidna with a burst active like Tunabowl's 2.5x for God types since Athena doesn't really hurt much till she is below 50% and being able to 1-shot her once she drops below that is a more valuable skill.
EDIT: Ended up with 2 on only 5 runs, so never mind that was really good luck.
3DS Friend Code: 1821-8991-4141
PAD ID: 376,540,262
really rem heavy
I am heading to bed, and had stamina to burn so I decided to try Athena because what the hell I am going to waste it anyways. Long story short, I just zero stoned Athena on my first time ever going into the dungeon when I was expecting to lose. LuBu for president!
I also got my rainbow keepers today, and I finally have my fancy Eternal Twin Stars Idunn and Idunna and I evod my Isis. Just need one more dubsapphlit to uevo her. Then I just need tamadras! Then my healer team is ready to start hurting things. Of course now I just want to level Athena.
I really need to update my list and ask for suggestions on ways to improve my teams.
Edit with more info: The most Rank XP/Stamina efficient dungeons are as follows. Run the highest one you can manage, without too much effort and 0% stone use.
- KoG
- Queen of Gods
- Whirlpool in the Waterfall Basin (Oceanus Falls top floor)
- Forbidden Isle (Junos Island top floor)
- Gate to Mystic Land (Kronos Forest top floor)
- ....
I only listed Normals on purpose.So basically run the top floor of the Tier 6 dungeons (I think those are Tier 6?) when they are at +drop rate, during the week. On the weekend, the coin dungeon at all levels is the best consistent Rank XP you can get.
I haven't run them yet, but once you have enough coins, you can run the coin dungeons such as Alt Castle of Satan for really really good Rank XP rates (better than KoG). Just make sure you do your research and see if the difficulty curve is higher.
Examples of what teams to run with her.
I want Bastet as a sub for Verdandi, but this means I want Verdandi for a Bastet Sub? Ahhhhh the Japanese are way too good at puzzles! My combo skills aren't up to snuff :P
3DS Friend Code: 1821-8991-4141
PAD ID: 376,540,262
The problem I have with this list is that combo leads will always have a very high top end, but their low ends are also pretty drastic. Also, all the dark/Demon Gods on that list should make Awoken LuBu more valuable than he gets credit. Lower top end but MUCH more forgiving on the low end; especially considering he gets the RCV boost from Ronia friend.
You want them so they can go double dragon on whatever dungeon they feel like. Verdandi when you want to be lazy and mindlessly farm stuff and Bastet when you need to try-hard with descend clearing damage.
Easy solution, just feed Ronia to whoever you need!
I have cleared up to the final rank of them, might give it a shot this week to see if I can snag a stone.
5x ronia? or 5x athena
Streaming 8PST on weeknights
Ronia Rollcall
Brute Force Friends
297 Club
Row, Row, Row your Orbs
Odins"R"Us
Didn't use Odin, but I can. Still tweaking the team build to see what works. At this point, I'm just farming skillups (and orbs) anyway. Tried: LuBu/Ronia, FA Luci, Vamp, Lilith, Ronia.
First time I got orb trolled on invade and knocked below 20%, used a stone, fat fingered combo, died and quit.
Second time I made it to Hera-Ur, no invade, dropped below 20% and died
Third time I cleared it, no invade.
Only need 2 more red orbs.
PaD id - 346,240,298
Marvel FF - Lil bill12
I like Ronia Rollcall or it could be "I would rather use the stamina elsewhere but damnit there is a player's choice godfest coming and daddy wants." But that is kinda long.
@qanamil I wish I was getting the b/l Isis but I need her for my healer team at the moment. When I get a replacement I will switch her to her awesome form.
Its 100% on mythical. People in the thread will make fun of you.
I hate you all? ♥
i usually just go TPA madness
PaD id - 346,240,298
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