I could be wrong, but I thought you could set up a "backup" phone number in Google 2FA now?
@Cormac keep me updated on this progress (forum PMs if need be) since this directly affects me (though ultimately I can ignore the 8.0 upgrade notification).
Regarding Project Fi: if it matters, the Moto X4 was added to their supported hardware; so that's potentially another option for a replacement phone. The ProjectFi subreddit may have other hardware suggestions (a fair number of them seem to be doing hoop jumping to get iPhones to work; with mixed results).
I really need to use the phone for a few days after the changes I've made to see how it runs. For now, it's close enough to how it ran with 7.1.x that I can live with it. I honestly really don't want to spend the money on a new phone as much as I'd like to have a shiny new gadget. For now, I'll keep using my 5X until it bootloops, the battery stop holding an acceptable charge, or a new $500'ish phone comes out that is really compelling.
I have looked at using non-Fi phones on Fi and it sounds doable, but you really lose all the benefits of having a fully Fi compatible phone. The features I would lose are the ones that make Fi useful to me. I did consider the Moto X4 but Lenovo's history of being terrible about timely updates and it being a sidegrade to the 5X while being so close in price to a Oneplus 5 (nevermind that the 5 is no longer available hinting at the imminent release of a 5T) make it something I'm not really interested in. I'm going to keep my eye on whatever the 5T and the phone coming from Razer and the Nextbit: Robin will be. Maybe they'll be compelling and priced to where I'll consider getting one and looking into alternative service providers.
I could be wrong, but I thought you could set up a "backup" phone number in Google 2FA now?
@Cormac keep me updated on this progress (forum PMs if need be) since this directly affects me (though ultimately I can ignore the 8.0 upgrade notification).
Regarding Project Fi: if it matters, the Moto X4 was added to their supported hardware; so that's potentially another option for a replacement phone. The ProjectFi subreddit may have other hardware suggestions (a fair number of them seem to be doing hoop jumping to get iPhones to work; with mixed results).
I really need to use the phone for a few days after the changes I've made to see how it runs. For now, it's close enough to how it ran with 7.1.x that I can live with it. I honestly really don't want to spend the money on a new phone as much as I'd like to have a shiny new gadget. For now, I'll keep using my 5X until it bootloops, the battery stop holding an acceptable charge, or a new $500'ish phone comes out that is really compelling.
I have looked at using non-Fi phones on Fi and it sounds doable, but you really lose all the benefits of having a fully Fi compatible phone. The features I would lose are the ones that make Fi useful to me. I did consider the Moto X4 but Lenovo's history of being terrible about timely updates and it being a sidegrade to the 5X while being so close in price to a Oneplus 5 (nevermind that the 5 is no longer available hinting at the imminent release of a 5T) make it something I'm not really interested in. I'm going to keep my eye on whatever the 5T and the phone coming from Razer and the Nextbit: Robin will be. Maybe they'll be compelling and priced to where I'll consider getting one and looking into alternative service providers.
One thing I'll mention is that the Moto X4 you buy for Fi is actually an Android One phone, which comes with a different firmware load than the standard one, and as part of the program the OEM's have requirements for timely updates, etc. Android One has been in use in other parts of the world like India for low cost phones. The idea is that at a hardware level they all basically follow the same spec, so what essentially happens is that google builds the firmware for them, and then the OEM's have to distribute it.
tldr: the Moto X4 through Fi is an Android One phone that should not have update issues like other Moto phones have had.
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So it's review day for the Pixel 2. Pretty critically acclaimed so I'm happy with the decision. I wonder if the pixel image chip will ever get turned on. I'm a liiiiittle bit worried about the screen on the XL. Most people have said it's not very noticeable in real world usage so hopefully it won't be bad.
So it's review day for the Pixel 2. Pretty critically acclaimed so I'm happy with the decision. I wonder if the pixel image chip will ever get turned on. I'm a liiiiittle bit worried about the screen on the XL. Most people have said it's not very noticeable in real world usage so hopefully it won't be bad.
So it's review day for the Pixel 2. Pretty critically acclaimed so I'm happy with the decision. I wonder if the pixel image chip will ever get turned on. I'm a liiiiittle bit worried about the screen on the XL. Most people have said it's not very noticeable in real world usage so hopefully it won't be bad.
@ChaosHat The article you linked answered something from your first post, which is that the Pixel Visual Core will be enabled in 8.1 starting with the developer preview.
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@ChaosHat The article you linked answered something from your first post, which is that the Pixel Visual Core will be enabled in 8.1 starting with the developer preview.
I mean let's not forget this is google, I feel like this could be something that's rolled out for testing services but never actually fully implemented in the phone.
At the bare minimum I see it being used for HDR+ processing in 8.1, with the chip being available for third party apps to use the camera with HDR+.
I would also bet you'll see it being used for Lens when it rolls out and people/pet/object identification in Google Photos in the future (IMO the Photos team has their shit together, unlike Google's assorted messaging teams).
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At the bare minimum I see it being used for HDR+ processing in 8.1, with the chip being available for third party apps to use the camera with HDR+.
I would also bet you'll see it being used for Lens when it rolls out and people/pet/object identification in Google Photos in the future (IMO the Photos team has their shit together, unlike Google's assorted messaging teams).
I'm sure they'll use it a little, it just wouldn't shock me that we'd just be guinea pigs for it and then Pixel 3 is like "BEST EVER CAMERA 150 DXO MARK PIXEL VISUAL CORE." The fact that it was announced so late seems like it's not ready for primetime at all. They didn't even mention it at the event, so the fact that it's going to be online soon is probably a recent development.
Any suggestions on smart watches? Figure if I'm getting a new phone (S8+), I might as well get a watch, too.
it's kind of a dumpster fire. I haven't paid too much attention to it recently. I personally use a Gear Fit 2. I tried Android wear and honestly, literally the only thing I use a smartwatch for is fitness tracking and the ability to look at notifications so Android Wear didn't even make sense for me.
Any suggestions on smart watches? Figure if I'm getting a new phone (S8+), I might as well get a watch, too.
it's kind of a dumpster fire. I haven't paid too much attention to it recently. I personally use a Gear Fit 2. I tried Android wear and honestly, literally the only thing I use a smartwatch for is fitness tracking and the ability to look at notifications so Android Wear didn't even make sense for me.
I use an Asus Zenwatch - I think I got it on sale for $120 a while back and it's surely cheaper now (looks like the Zenwatch 2, with a similar design, is $160ish). It's pretty small and light (I have pretty thin wrists, which rules out a lot of smart watches), it's comfortable, it's nice looking (light brown leathery strap), and it certainly gets the job done. I'm someone who really hates device lag and poor performance in my electronics, and while this thing isn't buttery smooth to the point that you'd mistake it for something cutting edge during use, it's absolutely useful and was worth the money. I really only use it (a) as a watch, because I enjoy wearing a watch; (b) for notifications, so that I can keep my phone in my pocket or keep from picking it up from my desk all day long; and (c) very rarely, as phone control while in the car (at a red light), like if I need to respond to an urgent text with speech-to-text or if I want to start a podcast or change episodes or something.
I actually highly recommend it. I stopped wearing it for a good six months (after about six months of use), but I started wearing it again this summer and I'm happy I did. Have to charge it every night, which is no big deal.
Is there a smart watch thread I am too dumb to find? I looked but couldn't find one. I got a cheapo android watch that i need help with but I don't wanna go off topic.
Seems Huawei managed to use a decent oled, their screen has a similar color stability to the note 8, while the Pixel XL 2 just... Fails
There's something about the qLED used for the 2XL that has weird color shifting looking at it from off-angle. Hopefully some of the color issue can be addressed via updates (I know google said they're going to release some sort of color adjustment mode), but the off-angle stuff is the display itself and really can't be fixed I think.
Is there a smart watch thread I am too dumb to find? I looked but couldn't find one. I got a cheapo android watch that i need help with but I don't wanna go off topic.
There definitely isn't enough of an audience for a dedicated smart watch thread. Go nuts in here.
Well, I have an XL2 showing up today so I'll report back.
I'm seeing some people say it's done and others say it's trash so... Who knows?
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So far 6 Pixel 2's have been delivered to folks in my office. All of them XL models.
Two people are furious and can't stand the blue shift and are returning them. Three people see it but don't care. One person swears he can't even see it.
From my view, all 6 of them have the exact same amount of blue shift.
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
For people better versed in android lifedom. My fiancee and I got Pixel's (an XL for me, a smaller one for her) last year at Christmas and both of us are already suffering from a massively depleted battery life, is there a limit to how much is considered acceptable before it falls under possible warranty if at all? I always expect a reduction in lifespan but we're going from 12+ hours of heavy usage to 5-6 in only a year with no real addition of new features/apps/background processes etc.
What is your screen on time? I always get at least six hours, though my XL is only 9 months old.
SOT isn't a great metric, because everyone's use case is different. i.e. a locked process means you could get 5 hours of battery life with half an hour of screen on time, or in a best case scenario get 8 hours of SOT with brightness on low displaying a static image.
A battery drop that significant is probably a combination of battery wear and some kind of app hitting battery. If you charge the phone more than once a day, it is very likely that your battery is down to roughly 70% health, which would obviously be part of your problem.
The other thing is always apps. You may not have installed anything, but apps are upated all the time, and sometimes updates cause issues, etc. If you have facebook on your phone, that app is notorious for randomly deciding to lock a process that kills the battery. It even does that on iPhone, though not to the extent that it can on Android. In the week since I uninstalled Facebook from my phone and started using the mobile web version, my instances of weird battery drains have dropped to zero.
From my view, all 6 of them have the exact same amount of blue shift.
I have a tough time understanding people like that. I mean... if one person (you) can see that they're all pretty much the same, I can understand someone saying, "It doesn't bother me," or "I don't really care," or even, "I prefer it this way" - but "I don't see it"?! Like, are you just afraid to be... wrong, or admit that there might be a problem, or stubborn, or what?!
Variable I'm not considering is perhaps this person is color blind or has some other legitimate eye issue that prevents perception of it. But... I'm just venting because I've seen other people do stuff like that. Vehemently deny that they perceive something that is obviously perceptible to others.
Edit: Obvious comparison piece is my longtime (somewhat distant at this point) buddy who calls this one famous sports figure by the wrong name (off by one letter) and will literally continue to call him that during a conversation with others where they are repeatedly using the correct name. I don't know the psychology behind that.
From my view, all 6 of them have the exact same amount of blue shift.
I have a tough time understanding people like that. I mean... if one person (you) can see that they're all pretty much the same, I can understand someone saying, "It doesn't bother me," or "I don't really care," or even, "I prefer it this way" - but "I don't see it"?! Like, are you just afraid to be... wrong, or admit that there might be a problem, or stubborn, or what?!
Variable I'm not considering is perhaps this person is color blind or has some other legitimate eye issue that prevents perception of it. But... I'm just venting because I've seen other people do stuff like that. Vehemently deny that they perceive something that is obviously perceptible to others.
Edit: Obvious comparison piece is my longtime (somewhat distant at this point) buddy who calls this one famous sports figure by the wrong name (off by one letter) and will literally continue to call him that during a conversation with others where they are repeatedly using the correct name. I don't know the psychology behind that.
Totally.
In my POV, I would expect better from a thousand dollar phone. But I also know that within a day or two I would stop noticing/caring. But claiming you can't even see it is crazy, because it's SUPER noticeable in the right circumstances (granted, circumstances you won't often normally use the phone in -- all white screen, viewed at very shallow angle).
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
From my view, all 6 of them have the exact same amount of blue shift.
I have a tough time understanding people like that. I mean... if one person (you) can see that they're all pretty much the same, I can understand someone saying, "It doesn't bother me," or "I don't really care," or even, "I prefer it this way" - but "I don't see it"?! Like, are you just afraid to be... wrong, or admit that there might be a problem, or stubborn, or what?!
Variable I'm not considering is perhaps this person is color blind or has some other legitimate eye issue that prevents perception of it. But... I'm just venting because I've seen other people do stuff like that. Vehemently deny that they perceive something that is obviously perceptible to others.
Edit: Obvious comparison piece is my longtime (somewhat distant at this point) buddy who calls this one famous sports figure by the wrong name (off by one letter) and will literally continue to call him that during a conversation with others where they are repeatedly using the correct name. I don't know the psychology behind that.
Um, people have different capabilities in vision. Some people are colour blind, or see colours differently than others. This is a real thing that is possible. My mother outright cannot see the shade of yellow that is most common in yellow highlighters.
From my view, all 6 of them have the exact same amount of blue shift.
I have a tough time understanding people like that. I mean... if one person (you) can see that they're all pretty much the same, I can understand someone saying, "It doesn't bother me," or "I don't really care," or even, "I prefer it this way" - but "I don't see it"?! Like, are you just afraid to be... wrong, or admit that there might be a problem, or stubborn, or what?!
Variable I'm not considering is perhaps this person is color blind or has some other legitimate eye issue that prevents perception of it. But... I'm just venting because I've seen other people do stuff like that. Vehemently deny that they perceive something that is obviously perceptible to others.
Edit: Obvious comparison piece is my longtime (somewhat distant at this point) buddy who calls this one famous sports figure by the wrong name (off by one letter) and will literally continue to call him that during a conversation with others where they are repeatedly using the correct name. I don't know the psychology behind that.
Um, people have different capabilities in vision. Some people are colour blind, or see colours differently than others. This is a real thing that is possible. My mother outright cannot see the shade of yellow that is most common in yellow highlighters.
You're right and I overreached. I guess I was just excited to get to my similar-if-they're-lying-otherwise-not-similar anecdote. Also, I was conflating "blue shift" with "darkens when viewed from an angle," the latter of which seems in my limited experience like something that'd be hard not to notice and not color-dependent.
I have really poor color perception in general. Not color blind, but I have to sit and stare at colors for a while to figure out if they are different sometimes. Happens at work all the time because we use several similar colors, I usually just ask someone else just to make sure.
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I really need to use the phone for a few days after the changes I've made to see how it runs. For now, it's close enough to how it ran with 7.1.x that I can live with it. I honestly really don't want to spend the money on a new phone as much as I'd like to have a shiny new gadget. For now, I'll keep using my 5X until it bootloops, the battery stop holding an acceptable charge, or a new $500'ish phone comes out that is really compelling.
I have looked at using non-Fi phones on Fi and it sounds doable, but you really lose all the benefits of having a fully Fi compatible phone. The features I would lose are the ones that make Fi useful to me. I did consider the Moto X4 but Lenovo's history of being terrible about timely updates and it being a sidegrade to the 5X while being so close in price to a Oneplus 5 (nevermind that the 5 is no longer available hinting at the imminent release of a 5T) make it something I'm not really interested in. I'm going to keep my eye on whatever the 5T and the phone coming from Razer and the Nextbit: Robin will be. Maybe they'll be compelling and priced to where I'll consider getting one and looking into alternative service providers.
One thing I'll mention is that the Moto X4 you buy for Fi is actually an Android One phone, which comes with a different firmware load than the standard one, and as part of the program the OEM's have requirements for timely updates, etc. Android One has been in use in other parts of the world like India for low cost phones. The idea is that at a hardware level they all basically follow the same spec, so what essentially happens is that google builds the firmware for them, and then the OEM's have to distribute it.
tldr: the Moto X4 through Fi is an Android One phone that should not have update issues like other Moto phones have had.
pixel image chip?
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/the-pixel-2-contains-a-custom-google-soc-the-pixel-visual-core/
I mean let's not forget this is google, I feel like this could be something that's rolled out for testing services but never actually fully implemented in the phone.
I would also bet you'll see it being used for Lens when it rolls out and people/pet/object identification in Google Photos in the future (IMO the Photos team has their shit together, unlike Google's assorted messaging teams).
I'm sure they'll use it a little, it just wouldn't shock me that we'd just be guinea pigs for it and then Pixel 3 is like "BEST EVER CAMERA 150 DXO MARK PIXEL VISUAL CORE." The fact that it was announced so late seems like it's not ready for primetime at all. They didn't even mention it at the event, so the fact that it's going to be online soon is probably a recent development.
it's kind of a dumpster fire. I haven't paid too much attention to it recently. I personally use a Gear Fit 2. I tried Android wear and honestly, literally the only thing I use a smartwatch for is fitness tracking and the ability to look at notifications so Android Wear didn't even make sense for me.
I use an Asus Zenwatch - I think I got it on sale for $120 a while back and it's surely cheaper now (looks like the Zenwatch 2, with a similar design, is $160ish). It's pretty small and light (I have pretty thin wrists, which rules out a lot of smart watches), it's comfortable, it's nice looking (light brown leathery strap), and it certainly gets the job done. I'm someone who really hates device lag and poor performance in my electronics, and while this thing isn't buttery smooth to the point that you'd mistake it for something cutting edge during use, it's absolutely useful and was worth the money. I really only use it (a) as a watch, because I enjoy wearing a watch; (b) for notifications, so that I can keep my phone in my pocket or keep from picking it up from my desk all day long; and (c) very rarely, as phone control while in the car (at a red light), like if I need to respond to an urgent text with speech-to-text or if I want to start a podcast or change episodes or something.
I actually highly recommend it. I stopped wearing it for a good six months (after about six months of use), but I started wearing it again this summer and I'm happy I did. Have to charge it every night, which is no big deal.
I'm super excited for you. Stayed up until 2 am watching review videos and it looks great.
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/10/18/16489756/google-pixel-2xl-awful-lg-oled-screen
What if the Pixel 2 screen is tuned to be SO accurate it actually depicts the green tint signifying we're in the matrix actually.
iPhone 8, mate 10 Pro, Pixel xl2, note 8
Seems Huawei managed to use a decent oled, their screen has a similar color stability to the note 8, while the Pixel XL 2 just... Fails
There's something about the qLED used for the 2XL that has weird color shifting looking at it from off-angle. Hopefully some of the color issue can be addressed via updates (I know google said they're going to release some sort of color adjustment mode), but the off-angle stuff is the display itself and really can't be fixed I think.
There definitely isn't enough of an audience for a dedicated smart watch thread. Go nuts in here.
I'm seeing some people say it's done and others say it's trash so... Who knows?
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Most of the complaints seem to be about how the colour accuracy/profile of the screen are awful.
I'm jelly
Two people are furious and can't stand the blue shift and are returning them. Three people see it but don't care. One person swears he can't even see it.
From my view, all 6 of them have the exact same amount of blue shift.
SOT isn't a great metric, because everyone's use case is different. i.e. a locked process means you could get 5 hours of battery life with half an hour of screen on time, or in a best case scenario get 8 hours of SOT with brightness on low displaying a static image.
A battery drop that significant is probably a combination of battery wear and some kind of app hitting battery. If you charge the phone more than once a day, it is very likely that your battery is down to roughly 70% health, which would obviously be part of your problem.
There's a good app that I've used in the past to check that, called accubattery. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.digibites.accubattery&hl=en. You need to run it for 4-5 days before you get a good gauge, but it should give you a fairly good estimate of battery health.
The other thing is always apps. You may not have installed anything, but apps are upated all the time, and sometimes updates cause issues, etc. If you have facebook on your phone, that app is notorious for randomly deciding to lock a process that kills the battery. It even does that on iPhone, though not to the extent that it can on Android. In the week since I uninstalled Facebook from my phone and started using the mobile web version, my instances of weird battery drains have dropped to zero.
I have a tough time understanding people like that. I mean... if one person (you) can see that they're all pretty much the same, I can understand someone saying, "It doesn't bother me," or "I don't really care," or even, "I prefer it this way" - but "I don't see it"?! Like, are you just afraid to be... wrong, or admit that there might be a problem, or stubborn, or what?!
Variable I'm not considering is perhaps this person is color blind or has some other legitimate eye issue that prevents perception of it. But... I'm just venting because I've seen other people do stuff like that. Vehemently deny that they perceive something that is obviously perceptible to others.
Edit: Obvious comparison piece is my longtime (somewhat distant at this point) buddy who calls this one famous sports figure by the wrong name (off by one letter) and will literally continue to call him that during a conversation with others where they are repeatedly using the correct name. I don't know the psychology behind that.
Totally.
In my POV, I would expect better from a thousand dollar phone. But I also know that within a day or two I would stop noticing/caring. But claiming you can't even see it is crazy, because it's SUPER noticeable in the right circumstances (granted, circumstances you won't often normally use the phone in -- all white screen, viewed at very shallow angle).
Um, people have different capabilities in vision. Some people are colour blind, or see colours differently than others. This is a real thing that is possible. My mother outright cannot see the shade of yellow that is most common in yellow highlighters.
Coincidentally, their pure android obsession is also often "unbearable" to deal with.
I don't know, if it's near as bad as pictures make it out to be, I'd be pretty annoyed.
You're right and I overreached. I guess I was just excited to get to my similar-if-they're-lying-otherwise-not-similar anecdote. Also, I was conflating "blue shift" with "darkens when viewed from an angle," the latter of which seems in my limited experience like something that'd be hard not to notice and not color-dependent.
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They really may not be able to tell. There are an awful lot of people who can't tell the difference between SD and HD content.
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