I wish a PS4 model with a bigger hard drive was announced. You can replace the one included but I don't need a 500gb one lying around.
Yeah, I'm waiting for the announcement. There's been a rumor floating around of a 1tb model and I was sure they'd talk about that at E3.
You think they would have announced it when MS announce their 1TB Xbox One.
Now that I think about it, they probably don't want to hurt sales of the Batman PS4 bundle. Maybe they'll make an announcement after the bump from that.
I wish a PS4 model with a bigger hard drive was announced. You can replace the one included but I don't need a 500gb one lying around.
You don't need it lying around. You can put it in an enclosure and convert it into an external or you can slot it into a desktop.
I pulled the 500GB HD out, looked at the 120GB PS3 that had been sitting unused since the blu-ray drive stopped reading discs, and there was a bit of internal connecting of two and two and a bit of real-world connecting of drive A into slot B and now it's been resurrected as a digital-only PS3.
It was, what's the word, serendipity, especially with all the PS3 games I've picked up on PSN sales in the last year.
I wish a PS4 model with a bigger hard drive was announced. You can replace the one included but I don't need a 500gb one lying around.
You don't need it lying around. You can put it in an enclosure and convert it into an external or you can slot it into a desktop.
Or use it with the WiiU.
Speaking of WiiU and mario maker, how much pre made content is there? Because I'm up for getting all new Mario, Mario 3 and Mario World levels from Nintendo.
Also, will anyone actually use the new super Mario Bros style given the awesome alternatives?
I wish a PS4 model with a bigger hard drive was announced. You can replace the one included but I don't need a 500gb one lying around.
You don't need it lying around. You can put it in an enclosure and convert it into an external or you can slot it into a desktop.
Or use it with the WiiU.
Speaking of WiiU and mario maker, how much pre made content is there? Because I'm up for getting all new Mario, Mario 3 and Mario World levels from Nintendo.
Also, will anyone actually use the new super Mario Bros style given the awesome alternatives?
Well, the NWC levels will be included. After that, I don't know. I hope Nintendo uploads their own levels. Those would be a blast. I image they'll tell us in the pre-release direct they'll inevitably have.
As for SMB style, I can see it being used for 2 reasons.
1. Retro hipster purists.
2. Amiibo mystery mushrooms only work on that style.
I am wondering if Sony will try to make a proper PS3 emulator to combat Xbox BC or just stick with PS Now. Exclusives aside, it's the one thing Xbox Uno is doing right now that PS4 can't. Plus being able to freely redownload games I already bought is amazing. PS Now is almost universally panned at this point. I doubt Sony will give up the steaming stuff since they bought Gaikai for that express purpose. I am not sure if there's any good option for them in regards to backwards compatibility. Maybe they'll just ignore it?
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I wish a PS4 model with a bigger hard drive was announced. You can replace the one included but I don't need a 500gb one lying around.
You don't need it lying around. You can put it in an enclosure and convert it into an external or you can slot it into a desktop.
Or use it with the WiiU.
Speaking of WiiU and mario maker, how much pre made content is there? Because I'm up for getting all new Mario, Mario 3 and Mario World levels from Nintendo.
Also, will anyone actually use the new super Mario Bros style given the awesome alternatives?
Well, the NWC levels will be included. After that, I don't know. I hope Nintendo uploads their own levels. Those would be a blast. I image they'll tell us in the pre-release direct they'll inevitably have.
As for SMB style, I can see it being used for 2 reasons.
1. Retro hipster purists.
2. Amiibo mystery mushrooms only work on that style.
SMB style prevents any leaf usage. Well I guess you can make sure that doesn't happen by not placing one too, but the leaf does heavilly change what you have to do to a level. I dunno if when you do runs of levels things can carry over. So that could be a reason SMB style is valid. And some of the enemies look pretty silly in that one.
As for levels, the BB demo had what I assume is all premade levels (I doubt those guys did anything themselves) and it had like 10 worlds of 3 levels each done. I recognized most of them too. So I would say thats your starting set right there.
I am wondering if Sony will try to make a proper PS3 emulator to combat Xbox BC or just stick with PS Now. Exclusives aside, it's the one thing Xbox Uno is doing right now that PS4 can't. Plus being able to freely redownload games I already bought is amazing. PS Now is almost universally panned at this point. I doubt Sony will give up the steaming stuff since they bought Gaikai for that express purpose. I am not sure if there's any good option for them in regards to backwards compatibility. Maybe they'll just ignore it?
They could at least try to compete with back compat by letting people play the PS3 games they own digitally for free on PSNow
I'm more curious about PSVue. It has "too good to be true" written all over it, yet we are at the end-times of the cable giants and on paper, PSVue has what people want (hassle-free installation and true a la carte channels)
Yeah, the 360 shouldn't be too hard for the One to emulate. I'm curious how well the preview program games run.
I think we're seeing backwards compatibility happening now because the Xbox division has finally cleaned up all of Don Mattrick's terrible mess.
I mean, the 360 is very hard for the XB1 to emulate. The state of 360 emulation on significantly more powerful PCs is credit to that. But the cell is orders of magnitudes more different than the relatively standard PPC architecture in the 360.
It would be funny if Sony implemented ad-hoc backwards compatibility by basically having 3rd parties take the PC or 360 version of old PS360 multiplats and gussy them up for PS4 re-release, which wouldn't work for the exclusives because it would require a full-scale port job.
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Yeah, the 360 shouldn't be too hard for the One to emulate. I'm curious how well the preview program games run.
I think we're seeing backwards compatibility happening now because the Xbox division has finally cleaned up all of Don Mattrick's terrible mess.
I mean, the 360 is very hard for the XB1 to emulate. The state of 360 emulation on significantly more powerful PCs is credit to that. But the cell is orders of magnitudes more different than the relatively standard PPC architecture in the 360.
Yeah, that's what I meant. It is easier (not easy) for the 360 -> One backwards compatibility because it's just PowerPC, and may be helped along by people who have worked close to the system. Compare that to the nightmare that is the Cell processor, where it took some developers years to get used to, and you can see why PS3 BC will never, ever happen.
Unless Sony wanted to start shipping PS4s with built-in Cell processors.
Also, will anyone actually use the new super Mario Bros style given the awesome alternatives?
Each skin includes features and a moveset exclusive to that game. NSMB style has wall jumping and ground pound. Maybe also triple jumping, I haven't seen it demonstrated yet but it should have it. And maybe it'll have the propeller cap from NSMB Wii?
I could have sworn I saw the propeller cap in a SMM video. I remember them doing the triple jump on the Treehouse stream. The guy even made a long flat stretch just to try it out.
Forget PS3 BC, I want PS1/PS2 games to work on PS4.
At the very least they need to expand the PS2's digital library and bring it over to PS4.
That was the one announcement I was really hoping for in Sony's conference. Even though you won't hear me complain with what we did get, I still want it to happen.
I'm more curious about PSVue. It has "too good to be true" written all over it, yet we are at the end-times of the cable giants and on paper, PSVue has what people want (hassle-free installation and true a la carte channels)
A la carte channels is serious mixed bag and long term I think it's more likely to hurt more than help. All those niche channels that you might like but many people don't? They'll be the ones that die out w/o package pricing keeping them afloat. Or they'll migrate to the net, and the cable companies will get their lost revenue there back from their ISP services. Cable Giants (like Comcast and Verizon) are also ISP giants...
It's hard to see a situation where people don't wind up paying more and getting less with a la carte programming imo... and people who still get bundled are also going to eat higher costs because the "lower price" of bundled channels is due to subscriber volume.
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Name a weird niche channel that anyone gives a shit about
I'm interested to see what they do with any items that are exclusive to one game. ...If there are any at all at this point. There's the obvious stuff we've seen already, like 8-bit boos, chain chomps, bob-oms. The Bowser sprites in 3 and World are completely new. We've seen Jr. in a few as well. I wonder if there are 8-bit versions of Yoshi. Given that you can change games at the touch of a button, there must be some sort of system that auto changes items into an appropriate equivalent. Like I imagine if you put a racoon leaf in a block in 3, it would change to a cape or propellor cap in World/NSMB.
But what would it change into if you switch to SMB style...???
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Name a weird niche channel that anyone gives a shit about
"Weird" is not a qualifier that I put into my post... but IFC (even post rebrand it's still niche), Science (from Discovery), and TMC are niche channels that aren't in most basic packages.
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I already made the prediction that Super Mario Maker will get a new world palette DLC when Wooly World comes out, which will of course, be wooly world themed. I'm 99% sure that I am 100% sure that is the cause of the release gap.
I plan on using the original SMB palette to try and create as much of the original game as possible, but inverted. So you play it World 1-1, but the levels are built backwards.
I am wondering if Sony will try to make a proper PS3 emulator to combat Xbox BC or just stick with PS Now. Exclusives aside, it's the one thing Xbox Uno is doing right now that PS4 can't. Plus being able to freely redownload games I already bought is amazing. PS Now is almost universally panned at this point. I doubt Sony will give up the steaming stuff since they bought Gaikai for that express purpose. I am not sure if there's any good option for them in regards to backwards compatibility. Maybe they'll just ignore it?
I don't think PS Now has been universally panned actually. It seems to work fantastically for some people and doesn't for others.
But like Knight said, emulating PS3 isn't going to happen any time soon and certainly not on the PS4. PS Now is the only logical solution to that problem.
PS1/PS2/PSP backwards compatibility though? Yeah, I'm sure we'll see that at some point. They already have the emulators required to do so, they "just" need to port them over and test/re-license the digital catalogues. I'm surprised they haven't added them already, to be honest, but it's probably just a matter of time before they do.
I am wondering if Sony will try to make a proper PS3 emulator to combat Xbox BC or just stick with PS Now. Exclusives aside, it's the one thing Xbox Uno is doing right now that PS4 can't. Plus being able to freely redownload games I already bought is amazing. PS Now is almost universally panned at this point. I doubt Sony will give up the steaming stuff since they bought Gaikai for that express purpose. I am not sure if there's any good option for them in regards to backwards compatibility. Maybe they'll just ignore it?
I think of Playstation Now as something along the lines of Netflix for games, and just like Netflix, its future is original content. Eventually games streaming services will have to branch out of retro gaming. I imagine a future where services such as Playstation Now will offer experiences that can't be powered locally because of prohibitive cost. Experiences that are the equivalent of Netflix Originals, or what HBO shows are in comparison to basic cable shows. I don't know if you've ever seen the Shinra Tech Demo - but the potential of streaming technology goes far beyond rehashing old games.
In regards to Backwards Compatability, sure, it's nice, but do I personally use it? Hardly. I think I replayed one original Xbox game on my 360 (Jade Empire), and I never finished the playthrough either. I think if I ever want to play an old game, it's not one I already own, but one that I want to discover for myself, because I heard somebody raving about it. For discoverability purposes streaming services like Playstation Now are way more convenient than having to hunt down physical copies. Let's say Playstation Now's library keeps expanding and will one day include 90+% of all PS1 and PS2 and PS3 games (and why stop there, there's no technical reason why it couldn't do Dreamcast games and 16-bit era SEGA games and whatnot). The only reason why not every old game could show up on PS Now are legal and business reasons.
As far as I see it, backwards compatibility is a breeze. It may fill Microsoft's sails a bit and add some minute momentum. Streaming technology is a major flippin' hurricane building up out at sea. Nobody really knows how bad it will get, but it will make landfall one day, and only in its aftermath will we see how much of the *Old World of Gaming* will withstand its fury. The day of streaming games might not come tomorrow, or the day after that, but it will come someday, and I'd wager it'll come before this decade is out.
I am wondering if Sony will try to make a proper PS3 emulator to combat Xbox BC or just stick with PS Now. Exclusives aside, it's the one thing Xbox Uno is doing right now that PS4 can't. Plus being able to freely redownload games I already bought is amazing. PS Now is almost universally panned at this point. I doubt Sony will give up the steaming stuff since they bought Gaikai for that express purpose. I am not sure if there's any good option for them in regards to backwards compatibility. Maybe they'll just ignore it?
I think of Playstation Now as something along the lines of Netflix for games, and just like Netflix, its future is original content. Eventually games streaming services will have to branch out of retro gaming. I imagine a future where services such as Playstation Now will offer experiences that can't be powered locally because of prohibitive cost. Experiences that are the equivalent of Netflix Originals, or what HBO shows are in comparison to basic cable shows. I don't know if you've ever seen the Shinra Tech Demo - but the potential of streaming technology goes far beyond rehashing old games.
In regards to Backwards Compatability, sure, it's nice, but do I personally use it? Hardly. I think I replayed one original Xbox game on my 360 (Jade Empire), and I never finished the playthrough either. I think if I ever want to play an old game, it's not one I already own, but one that I want to discover for myself, because I heard somebody raving about it. For discoverability purposes streaming services like Playstation Now are way more convenient than having to hunt down physical copies. Let's say Playstation Now's library keeps expanding and will one day include 90+% of all PS1 and PS2 and PS3 games (and why stop there, there's no technical reason why it couldn't do Dreamcast games and 16-bit era SEGA games and whatnot). The only reason why not every old game could show up on PS Now are legal and business reasons.
As far as I see it, backwards compatibility is a breeze. It may fill Microsoft's sails a bit and add some minute momentum. Streaming technology is a major flippin' hurricane building up out at sea. Nobody really knows how bad it will get, but it will make landfall one day, and only in its aftermath will we see how much of the *Old World of Gaming* will withstand its fury. The day of streaming games might not come tomorrow, or the day after that, but it will come someday, and I'd wager it'll come before this decade is out.
The U.S. will see to it that this day remains a long way off, unless the FCC's newfound backbone leads to some sweeping changes fast. Still large parts of the country where broadband is not anywhere near where streaming 7th or 8th gen games is a possibility, and won't be there for 25 years unless the FCC lights a fire under the asses of the big telecoms. And none of the major players would rebuild their entire strategy over something that would cut off a large proportion of U.S. and Canadian markets as well as chunks of the developing world who are just now getting to the point where regular consoles are in reach.
I could be wrong. In a perfect world, i would be wrong.
I am wondering if Sony will try to make a proper PS3 emulator to combat Xbox BC or just stick with PS Now. Exclusives aside, it's the one thing Xbox Uno is doing right now that PS4 can't. Plus being able to freely redownload games I already bought is amazing. PS Now is almost universally panned at this point. I doubt Sony will give up the steaming stuff since they bought Gaikai for that express purpose. I am not sure if there's any good option for them in regards to backwards compatibility. Maybe they'll just ignore it?
I think of Playstation Now as something along the lines of Netflix for games, and just like Netflix, its future is original content. Eventually games streaming services will have to branch out of retro gaming. I imagine a future where services such as Playstation Now will offer experiences that can't be powered locally because of prohibitive cost. Experiences that are the equivalent of Netflix Originals, or what HBO shows are in comparison to basic cable shows. I don't know if you've ever seen the Shinra Tech Demo - but the potential of streaming technology goes far beyond rehashing old games.
In regards to Backwards Compatability, sure, it's nice, but do I personally use it? Hardly. I think I replayed one original Xbox game on my 360 (Jade Empire), and I never finished the playthrough either. I think if I ever want to play an old game, it's not one I already own, but one that I want to discover for myself, because I heard somebody raving about it. For discoverability purposes streaming services like Playstation Now are way more convenient than having to hunt down physical copies. Let's say Playstation Now's library keeps expanding and will one day include 90+% of all PS1 and PS2 and PS3 games (and why stop there, there's no technical reason why it couldn't do Dreamcast games and 16-bit era SEGA games and whatnot). The only reason why not every old game could show up on PS Now are legal and business reasons.
As far as I see it, backwards compatibility is a breeze. It may fill Microsoft's sails a bit and add some minute momentum. Streaming technology is a major flippin' hurricane building up out at sea. Nobody really knows how bad it will get, but it will make landfall one day, and only in its aftermath will we see how much of the *Old World of Gaming* will withstand its fury. The day of streaming games might not come tomorrow, or the day after that, but it will come someday, and I'd wager it'll come before this decade is out.
You do realize that every game that will be BC is downloaded and could therefore be purchased or given away digitally, right?
And that this tech works now instead of in some nebulous future where bandwidth caps and speed don't matter?
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Now that I think about it, they probably don't want to hurt sales of the Batman PS4 bundle. Maybe they'll make an announcement after the bump from that.
There's one coming, it's been rated by the FCC. RidleySaria's probably right, so maybe they'll announce it some time around mid-July.
I pulled the 500GB HD out, looked at the 120GB PS3 that had been sitting unused since the blu-ray drive stopped reading discs, and there was a bit of internal connecting of two and two and a bit of real-world connecting of drive A into slot B and now it's been resurrected as a digital-only PS3.
It was, what's the word, serendipity, especially with all the PS3 games I've picked up on PSN sales in the last year.
Or use it with the WiiU.
Speaking of WiiU and mario maker, how much pre made content is there? Because I'm up for getting all new Mario, Mario 3 and Mario World levels from Nintendo.
Also, will anyone actually use the new super Mario Bros style given the awesome alternatives?
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Well, the NWC levels will be included. After that, I don't know. I hope Nintendo uploads their own levels. Those would be a blast. I image they'll tell us in the pre-release direct they'll inevitably have.
As for SMB style, I can see it being used for 2 reasons.
1. Retro hipster purists.
2. Amiibo mystery mushrooms only work on that style.
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SMB style prevents any leaf usage. Well I guess you can make sure that doesn't happen by not placing one too, but the leaf does heavilly change what you have to do to a level. I dunno if when you do runs of levels things can carry over. So that could be a reason SMB style is valid. And some of the enemies look pretty silly in that one.
As for levels, the BB demo had what I assume is all premade levels (I doubt those guys did anything themselves) and it had like 10 worlds of 3 levels each done. I recognized most of them too. So I would say thats your starting set right there.
They could at least try to compete with back compat by letting people play the PS3 games they own digitally for free on PSNow
I think we're seeing backwards compatibility happening now because the Xbox division has finally cleaned up all of Don Mattrick's terrible mess.
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I mean, the 360 is very hard for the XB1 to emulate. The state of 360 emulation on significantly more powerful PCs is credit to that. But the cell is orders of magnitudes more different than the relatively standard PPC architecture in the 360.
Yeah, that's what I meant. It is easier (not easy) for the 360 -> One backwards compatibility because it's just PowerPC, and may be helped along by people who have worked close to the system. Compare that to the nightmare that is the Cell processor, where it took some developers years to get used to, and you can see why PS3 BC will never, ever happen.
Unless Sony wanted to start shipping PS4s with built-in Cell processors.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Deus Ex MD comes with HR.
Which is actually a first for backwards compatibility and something I never really thought about before the announcement.
Each skin includes features and a moveset exclusive to that game. NSMB style has wall jumping and ground pound. Maybe also triple jumping, I haven't seen it demonstrated yet but it should have it. And maybe it'll have the propeller cap from NSMB Wii?
At the very least they need to expand the PS2's digital library and bring it over to PS4.
That was the one announcement I was really hoping for in Sony's conference. Even though you won't hear me complain with what we did get, I still want it to happen.
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A la carte channels is serious mixed bag and long term I think it's more likely to hurt more than help. All those niche channels that you might like but many people don't? They'll be the ones that die out w/o package pricing keeping them afloat. Or they'll migrate to the net, and the cable companies will get their lost revenue there back from their ISP services. Cable Giants (like Comcast and Verizon) are also ISP giants...
It's hard to see a situation where people don't wind up paying more and getting less with a la carte programming imo... and people who still get bundled are also going to eat higher costs because the "lower price" of bundled channels is due to subscriber volume.
But what would it change into if you switch to SMB style...???
"Weird" is not a qualifier that I put into my post... but IFC (even post rebrand it's still niche), Science (from Discovery), and TMC are niche channels that aren't in most basic packages.
I plan on using the original SMB palette to try and create as much of the original game as possible, but inverted. So you play it World 1-1, but the levels are built backwards.
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree.
The game is not what I want from a new Metroid game at all and even judged on its own merit that game looks pretty bland to me.
Digital Foundry has some early impressions up from the preview program.
It'd make for a hell of a DLC pack though.
I don't think PS Now has been universally panned actually. It seems to work fantastically for some people and doesn't for others.
But like Knight said, emulating PS3 isn't going to happen any time soon and certainly not on the PS4. PS Now is the only logical solution to that problem.
PS1/PS2/PSP backwards compatibility though? Yeah, I'm sure we'll see that at some point. They already have the emulators required to do so, they "just" need to port them over and test/re-license the digital catalogues. I'm surprised they haven't added them already, to be honest, but it's probably just a matter of time before they do.
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I think of Playstation Now as something along the lines of Netflix for games, and just like Netflix, its future is original content. Eventually games streaming services will have to branch out of retro gaming. I imagine a future where services such as Playstation Now will offer experiences that can't be powered locally because of prohibitive cost. Experiences that are the equivalent of Netflix Originals, or what HBO shows are in comparison to basic cable shows. I don't know if you've ever seen the Shinra Tech Demo - but the potential of streaming technology goes far beyond rehashing old games.
In regards to Backwards Compatability, sure, it's nice, but do I personally use it? Hardly. I think I replayed one original Xbox game on my 360 (Jade Empire), and I never finished the playthrough either. I think if I ever want to play an old game, it's not one I already own, but one that I want to discover for myself, because I heard somebody raving about it. For discoverability purposes streaming services like Playstation Now are way more convenient than having to hunt down physical copies. Let's say Playstation Now's library keeps expanding and will one day include 90+% of all PS1 and PS2 and PS3 games (and why stop there, there's no technical reason why it couldn't do Dreamcast games and 16-bit era SEGA games and whatnot). The only reason why not every old game could show up on PS Now are legal and business reasons.
As far as I see it, backwards compatibility is a breeze. It may fill Microsoft's sails a bit and add some minute momentum. Streaming technology is a major flippin' hurricane building up out at sea. Nobody really knows how bad it will get, but it will make landfall one day, and only in its aftermath will we see how much of the *Old World of Gaming* will withstand its fury. The day of streaming games might not come tomorrow, or the day after that, but it will come someday, and I'd wager it'll come before this decade is out.
Nintendo's kind of hard to predict, since their "it's finished when it's finished" philosophy has long given them feast or famine years.
But I wouldn't be shocked if they haven't shifted over to NX big time, since it's apparent nothing will stop the Wii U from selling horribly.
The U.S. will see to it that this day remains a long way off, unless the FCC's newfound backbone leads to some sweeping changes fast. Still large parts of the country where broadband is not anywhere near where streaming 7th or 8th gen games is a possibility, and won't be there for 25 years unless the FCC lights a fire under the asses of the big telecoms. And none of the major players would rebuild their entire strategy over something that would cut off a large proportion of U.S. and Canadian markets as well as chunks of the developing world who are just now getting to the point where regular consoles are in reach.
I could be wrong. In a perfect world, i would be wrong.
You do realize that every game that will be BC is downloaded and could therefore be purchased or given away digitally, right?
And that this tech works now instead of in some nebulous future where bandwidth caps and speed don't matter?