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  • CampyCampy regular Registered User regular
    Tube, what is the one question you wished someone had asked you in this thread.

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Eastern coastal temptressRegistered User regular
    ObiFett wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    One of my biggest takeaways from this thread, personally - I need to emphasize that I'm only speaking for myself here - is that I was and am struck by the number of people who seem to view the report feature as a "call 911, get this person in trouble" button, where it's very very serious and never to be undertaken lightly. This seems to manifest in two different but related ways: we had people talk about not wanting to narc or tattle (because it's the Get Someone in Trouble Button, and I don't want to get that person in trouble - I like them!) and people feeling upset or confused when they don't see a visible sign of action having been taken (because it's the Get Someone in Trouble Button, and I pressed it and nothing happened, what gives?!)

    But this community relies on its users; the report feature is one of the ways we take the temperature of the boards. It's not about getting people in trouble so much as it is about letting us know about situations that are brewing, threads that might be in need of a course correction, and so forth - it doesn't always just have to be "this guy called this other guy a shitfucker."

    I sometimes idly wonder if there could be an interface solution to this. Turn "report" into "watch this" or something like that? I don't know. "Report" already sounds pretty innocuous to my ears, but maybe to other people it doesn't? Who knows. In the meantime, while "hey, please report more stuff, it would really help me out" is a conversation I've had privately with forumers in the past and will probably continue to have in the future, I do hope this thread and the discussion of the process has maybe helped kind of dispel some of the cobwebs around the concept of reporting and given people a better sense of its role.

    Yeah, "Report" does not sound innocuous to me at all. It basically means "This dude/ette needs to be infracted/banned".

    It would probably help to have a button that says "Mods!" or "Mod Action" which then gives us a pop-up for different choices like: "Keep an eye on this.", "This person needs to be talked to", "Infract this user!", "911!"

    I doubt its as easy as that though and now that I've read this thread and understand the purpose of the report button, I can see myself using it more often.

    It could be changed to "report concerns," or something, but I really don't think the ominousness of the word "report" are to blame for its inconsistent use. There are subforum cultural differences, of course, but I think overall the issue is a combination of bystander effect (someone else has gotten it, I'm sure), treating it like a big decision (do I really want to actually report this? It'll create work for mods and I probably wouldn't act on it if I were a mod, so why bother), and just plain not thinking of it. I know when I see a post that is questionable, I usually don't think to report it - I think "man, that guy is kind of a jerk" and click to another thread because why would I spend my precious time reading jerk posts by jerks? I'm gonna try to get better at combatting at least that last one, but it's hard to make a habit of thinking things through when you habitually forget something is even an option. I pretty much only remember there is a flag button when I see a spam thread pop up.

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  • EndEnd regular Registered User regular
    edited July 2015
    from my perspective it doesn't really matter what you call it. it gets a mod's eyes on it and one possible outcome is an infraction

    and I sort of feel like if I want to interject my feelings on what a mod should do about it, the reason field is already sufficient

    really wish the the infraction banner on posts still showed up though, but that's been talked about multiple times in this thread, and how we'd all like that back, so I guess there's nothing more to say about that

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  • SolarSolar regular Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    One of my biggest takeaways from this thread, personally - I need to emphasize that I'm only speaking for myself here - is that I was and am struck by the number of people who seem to view the report feature as a "call 911, get this person in trouble" button, where it's very very serious and never to be undertaken lightly. This seems to manifest in two different but related ways: we had people talk about not wanting to narc or tattle (because it's the Get Someone in Trouble Button, and I don't want to get that person in trouble - I like them!) and people feeling upset or confused when they don't see a visible sign of action having been taken (because it's the Get Someone in Trouble Button, and I pressed it and nothing happened, what gives?!)

    But this community relies on its users; the report feature is one of the ways we take the temperature of the boards. It's not about getting people in trouble so much as it is about letting us know about situations that are brewing, threads that might be in need of a course correction, and so forth - it doesn't always just have to be "this guy called this other guy a shitfucker."

    I sometimes idly wonder if there could be an interface solution to this. Turn "report" into "watch this" or something like that? I don't know. "Report" already sounds pretty innocuous to my ears, but maybe to other people it doesn't? Who knows. In the meantime, while "hey, please report more stuff, it would really help me out" is a conversation I've had privately with forumers in the past and will probably continue to have in the future, I do hope this thread and the discussion of the process has maybe helped kind of dispel some of the cobwebs around the concept of reporting and given people a better sense of its role.

    Yeah I do sometimes feel like I am narc-ing on someone if I report them. I want things to turn out pleasantly and for people to reach their own friendly acceptance of each other, so reporting seems like saying "this person is beyond being able to reasonably back down and apologise (or whatever" and therefore it feels like a tough response.

    If I can report to say "I don't think this person is technically doing anything wrong, but I do think they are getting agitated and that this will not end well" then I would report more often, in fact, I'd probably report posts due to some sympathy for the poster getting dogpiled or whatever ("this person is getting upset in this post, and I think they're being dogpiled" or summat)

    Does that seem like a reasonable use of the report function?

  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Different options would give the impression that we're going to treat a report other than something we'll look at. We'd be setting up false expectations that we'd inevitably disappoint.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Then we can have a Minority Report button for when we think someone is going to commit future crime.

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  • SyphyreSyphyre A Dangerous Pastime Registered User regular
    edited July 2015
    The one time where I've reported someone, I couldn't point to a post or three and say "they are breaking rule X", but they were generally making the thread an unpleasant place. I was really apologetic in my report, but explained the situation, and the mods took care of it. They definitely are there to make the place conducive to good discussion.

    The biggest takeaway I have from all the discussion about reporting is when the mods say that multiple people reporting the same post doesn't clog things up. I will be more active about reporting obviously bad posts instead of thinking "surely someone else has done that."

    E: I just remembered, I didn't even actually hit the report button, I just PMed a mod about it. I'll use report next time!

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  • SolarSolar regular Registered User regular
    I think the thing is

    I don't like reporting posts

    I don't want to report anyone, because I'd rather people were just pleasant to each other

    Reporting posts kind of always suggested to me that someone needed a telling off and that felt, like, people weren't being nice to each other and I don't want to have that view of the forums? I guess?

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  • TubeTube admin Administrator, ClubPA admin
    End wrote: »
    from my perspective it doesn't really matter what you call it. it gets a mod's eyes on it and one possible outcome is an infraction

    and I sort of feel like if I want to interject my feelings on what a mod should do about it, the reason field is already sufficient

    really wish the the infraction banner on posts still showed up though, but that's been talked about multiple times in this thread, and how we'd all like that back, so I guess there's nothing more to say about that

    I've already had a meeting with Vanilla about it. I'm going to keep bugging the relevant people.

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  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Eastern coastal temptressRegistered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    I think the thing is

    I don't like reporting posts

    I don't want to report anyone, because I'd rather people were just pleasant to each other

    Reporting posts kind of always suggested to me that someone needed a telling off and that felt, like, people weren't being nice to each other and I don't want to have that view of the forums? I guess?

    Yeah

    Similarly, it is hard to get over the feeling that I'm somehow being a jerk for using the button to begin with. That might be a problem specific to me, though.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla regular Registered User regular
    Don't view it as a "get person in trouble" button

    When I report I usually put like "I think this rule is being broken, thanks for taking a look"

    Its just there to get eyes on something that's all

    If they don't deserve an infraction they wont get one

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  • TubeTube admin Administrator, ClubPA admin
    Anyone have any shit they need to get off their chest at the last minute? Real, actual stuff that isn't what my favourite colour frog is or whatever.

    Hobnail wrote: »
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    This hurts but I deserve it

  • Satanic JesusSatanic Jesus Hi, I'm Liam! Registered User regular
    Is there anyone you wished you didn't have to ban?

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    I think the thing is

    I don't like reporting posts

    I don't want to report anyone, because I'd rather people were just pleasant to each other

    Reporting posts kind of always suggested to me that someone needed a telling off and that felt, like, people weren't being nice to each other and I don't want to have that view of the forums? I guess?

    Yeah

    Similarly, it is hard to get over the feeling that I'm somehow being a jerk for using the button to begin with. That might be a problem specific to me, though.

    Not me. If someone is breaking rules or being a toxic shitlord in a thread then I either want their behavior corrected or for them to stop posting in that thread. Reporting isn't tattling as much as it is doing the right thing to try and make this place better.

    That being said I know I'm a victim of the bystander effect and I don't report things as often as I ought to and I'm going to work on that in the future.

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    What if we change the flag button to a 'What in the hot hell is this merry clown shit?' button

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  • PaladinPaladin regular Registered User regular
    When are you guys gonna do something like this again

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  • TubeTube admin Administrator, ClubPA admin
    Is there anyone you wished you didn't have to ban?

    Oh sure, yeah. People who start out good and turn into Clarksons, good community members who get disenchanted and decide to go for suicide by mod. It's more common to not want to ban someone than to be super satisfied at getting to. Banning is a failure state.

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  • StericaSterica When it comes to beauty, I rarely make boasts but I look quite good, compared to your posts!Registered User, Moderator mod
    Paladin wrote: »
    When are you guys gonna do something like this again
    When you least expect it.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User regular
    Knob wrote: »
    What if we change the flag button to a 'What in the hot hell is this merry clown shit?' button
    I would complain on how it looks on mobile. :D

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla regular Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    Anyone have any shit they need to get off their chest at the last minute? Real, actual stuff that isn't what my favourite colour frog is or whatever.

    Do you ever think that the tone you take when dealing with people who are being hostile makes things worse or have you generally found it to be the best way to deal with things of that nature

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  • FuzzytadpoleFuzzytadpole regular Registered User regular
    Will this kind of thread ever come up again?

  • TubeTube admin Administrator, ClubPA admin
    Tube wrote: »
    Anyone have any shit they need to get off their chest at the last minute? Real, actual stuff that isn't what my favourite colour frog is or whatever.

    Do you ever think that the tone you take when dealing with people who are being hostile makes things worse or have you generally found it to be the best way to deal with things of that nature

    I make tonal mistakes. Generally when it's with people who are being hostile, I don't give a shit. They shouldn't be hostile. I'm not going to put on a happy community manager face and hope they agree to start being nice.

    The time I regret my tone is when I accidentally alienate people that I don't intend to, or cause a situation to escalate that otherwise wouldn't have done.

    Will this kind of thread ever come up again?

    For sure. Could even be soon. It's a lot of work though, and we need time for more questions to generate.

    Hobnail wrote: »
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  • kedinikkedinik regular Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    Anyone have any shit they need to get off their chest at the last minute? Real, actual stuff that isn't what my favourite colour frog is or whatever.

    I would like to see Asokolov unbanned and allowed a name change.

    She was always very polite and brought a lot of unique perspectives to D&D, in spite of a lot of vitriol that she often received from people who disagreed with her viewpoints.

    It seems like she was banned in part over a misunderstanding.

  • kedinikkedinik regular Registered User regular
    Just getting that off my chest.

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  • Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    This seems to manifest in two different but related ways: we had people talk about not wanting to narc or tattle (because it's the Get Someone in Trouble Button, and I don't want to get that person in trouble - I like them!) *snip*

    This feels somehow like bartending to me at a place with bouncers: it's not my job to control people's behavior, even if I do like them and they are one of my regular patrons.

    It kinda fits with my previous life experiences, so thank you for this.

  • JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Total Goober Registered User regular
    Tube, is there anything you wanted to cover that got skimmed over or not asked?

  • TubeTube admin Administrator, ClubPA admin
    kedinik wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Anyone have any shit they need to get off their chest at the last minute? Real, actual stuff that isn't what my favourite colour frog is or whatever.

    I would like to see Asokolov unbanned and allowed a name change.

    She was always very polite and brought a lot of unique perspectives to D&D, in spite of a lot of vitriol that she often received from people who disagreed with her viewpoints.

    It seems like she was banned in part over a misunderstanding.

    I can't go into detail, but there is no way she's being unbanned. It wasn't a misunderstanding, it was a ton of really awful shit that I'm not really at liberty to talk about.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud bear with us as we do some "rebranding" Registered User regular
    As we get older in forum age, the tone has changed a lot. I love that. I think all the mods have done a fantastic job making a community that is all in all pretty cohesive and incredibly more inclusive than ten years ago.

    How do you deal with constant walking of that line? And more importantly, I think we don't report it because it is never over the line behavior, but like, if you added it up for a long time, it would be completely over the line.
    Do we report stuff like that? Do we just ignore it?

  • kedinikkedinik regular Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Anyone have any shit they need to get off their chest at the last minute? Real, actual stuff that isn't what my favourite colour frog is or whatever.

    I would like to see Asokolov unbanned and allowed a name change.

    She was always very polite and brought a lot of unique perspectives to D&D, in spite of a lot of vitriol that she often received from people who disagreed with her viewpoints.

    It seems like she was banned in part over a misunderstanding.

    I can't go into detail, but there is no way she's being unbanned. It wasn't a misunderstanding, it was a ton of really awful shit that I'm not really at liberty to talk about.

    Fair enough. Thanks for the response.

  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 regular Registered User regular
    The "Unban X user!!!!" sigs are always funny to me

    its pretty easy to not get banned

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  • TubeTube admin Administrator, ClubPA admin
    How do you deal with constant walking of that line? And more importantly, I think we don't report it because it is never over the line behavior, but like, if you added it up for a long time, it would be completely over the line. Do we report stuff like that? Do we just ignore it?

    Err on the side of reporting. We can always PM you if you're reporting a bunch of unnecessary stuff.

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  • KamiroKamiro regular Registered User regular
    Do mods for each specific forum have assigned threads that they wouldn't normally be interested in but browse anyway to keep up with things? Or do they pretty much just visit threads they don't care about when things get reported?

  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    I visit threads I'm interested in and threads that sounds like they could end up with problems. I tend to have at least a passing interest in most threads that come through though.

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  • TubeTube admin Administrator, ClubPA admin
    The "Unban X user!!!!" sigs are always funny to me

    its pretty easy to not get banned

    Also honestly, like we're going to listen. "Oh shit that one guy changed his sig, I better get on this".
    Kamiro wrote: »
    Do mods for each specific forum have assigned threads that they wouldn't normally be interested in but browse anyway to keep up with things? Or do they pretty much just visit threads they don't care about when things get reported?

    Probably differs for various mods. I just read whatever looks interesting.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud bear with us as we do some "rebranding" Registered User regular
    Also is the forum still controlled by the papacy?
    Asking for a friend.

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    Unban sigs are just a sign of solidarity, really.

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    Also is the forum still controlled by the papacy?
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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO regular Registered User regular
    Houn wrote: »
    I will admit, I'm sometimes loathe to press the report button because even if there are geese about, I enjoy the not-geese talk and don't want the whole thread locked because of their behavior.

    I am paranoid about requesting mod attention in the webcomics thread for this reason.

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