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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I wouldn't trust anything that man child Kevin Smith says. He seemingly loves to just talk shit about everyone he works with.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I wouldn't trust anything that man child Kevin Smith says. He seemingly loves to just talk shit about everyone he works with.

    Guy loves to burn bridges, as I've seen firsthand

    It's working out well for him, too!

  • ButcherButcher Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I wouldn't trust anything that man child Kevin Smith says. He seemingly loves to just talk shit about everyone he works with.

    His Bruce Willis beef seems legit.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    On his end maybe, I doubt Willis cares about Smith. Or quality film making in general as most of his recent movies have shown.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I wouldn't trust anything that man child Kevin Smith says. He seemingly loves to just talk shit about everyone he works with.

    Who has he talked shit about other than Bruce Willis and Jon Peters?

  • KrieghundKrieghund Registered User regular
    On the Dogma commentary he is not kind to Linda Fiorintino, saying it was very unpleasant to shoot with her. He said he should have cast Garofalo as the last scion character.

  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Krieghund wrote: »
    On the Dogma commentary he is not kind to Linda Fiorintino, saying it was very unpleasant to shoot with her. He said he should have cast Garofalo as the last scion character.

    That would have been amazing.

  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Okay, I just got done watching Advantageous on Netflix. I was amazed that this movie got made, a slow, thoughtful near-future sci-fi about a world where overpopulation means a grim calculus over employing women: men get preferential treatment because they have problems with revolutionaries and the common wisdom is that unemployed women will just go back to their homes, while unemployed men might join the revolutionists.

    But the movie isn't about the revolution. It's not even about megacorp conspiracies or the menacing camera drones that fly around the skyscraper landscape... though those things exist. The movie is about one highly-sought-after corporate tech-firm presenter who is getting older and no longer meets the youth & beauty demographic the firm is going after (despite still being a beautiful woman by pretty much any standard). Her brilliant 13-year-old daughter, who crushingly reminds me of my little sister, is facing an even more uncertain future, and the main character will risk her very identity to make sure she gets all the advantages she can get.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgTgRBxY0nw

    I was shocked at how right they got the technology, and how engaging the story was, for all it lacked pew pew lasers and action sequences. Now that I do a little more research, apparently this movie is exclusive to Netflix, so I guess I'm going to cross-post to that thread...

  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    edited July 2015
    Having randomly rewatched all of the Mission Impossible movies last week, I'd say they're all successful in one way or another. The first is great and still probably the best of them, the second is goofy fun, the third is extremely well-executed and very emotional (this is Cruise's best performance in the series), and the fourth, while deeply flawed, features the best sustained sequence in the whole thing (the Dubai stuff) and is very well shot, too.

    Mostly the fourth one suffers from feeling like just another franchise entry (and one struggling to introduce Renner's character), with no real personal stakes involved and a boring villain who spends most of his time off-screen. Every other entry feels like a big departure from the status quo of a team-based television series; Ghost Protocol feels like the filmmakers are instead trying to establish and work with a specific type of story that doesn't depend on Ethan Hunt at all. With nothing at its center and virtually no personal stakes, the film acts as a generic entry (or, in its best moments, a self-aware platonic ideal) in what is otherwise one of Hollywood's most idiosyncratic and auteur-driven franchises.

    Once you decide whether you love or hate MI:2's Dove Quotient (obviously I'm on the love side, but YMMV), the real handicapping is between Brian De Palma's pioneering original and JJ Abrams' fantastic second sequel. De Palma should receive the lion's share of the credit here, because the whole film series has been trying to superficially recreate his formula ever since, mixing and matching the plot elements that his adaptation of the TV show entrenched as vital in one way or another (Ethan accused, IMF agent betrayals, stolen items that have be protected from getting out into the open, high-wire stunts, off-book missions, tragic unmaskings). Moreover, De Palma's film is unique among the series in that it focuses on the travails and textures of espionage work--his Mission: Impossible is a dialogue-driven thriller about who to trust, with only one real action sequence (although it's a doozy and a classic, an explosive train versus helicopter climax in which De Palma deftly juggles 5 different perspectives/plotlines). Obviously much of the film is iconic and memorable, but in all the hoopla about hanging from the ceiling it's easy to forget that the movie centers on a man playing a dangerous, secret game with everyone, and how lonely and difficult that is. My favorite moment in the film might be Ethan, weary in body and soul after a long and awful night, preparing to crash in the safe house by breaking all the lightbulbs in the hallway so that he'll hear the glassy crunch of anyone approaching. Later on, this American Bond analogue will take on a very post-9/11, US-centric notion of using overwhelming force and meddling in international politics as part of an organization; but the film that launched this franchise is about one young man whose impossible mission is just to extricate himself from a trap before the water gets too deep.

    If De Palma crafted a clockwork thriller out of the exploded bones of a television show, Abrams builds the clock itself. MI3 finds its protagonist constantly racing against literal deadlines, with seconds meaning the difference between life and death, first for Ethan's young protoge and then for the fiancee he's kept in the dark about his job. (Hilariously, he claims to study traffic for a living, which explains the government paychecks but not really why he might need to jet off to Italy at a moment's notice.) The film is elevated by a phenomenal, eerily deadpan villain turn from Phillip Seymour Hoffman, but make no mistake, this film's excellence begins with a really, really good script. It's really one bravura scene after another, from the stomach-turning cliffhanger cold open all the way to the film's full third act in China. (Along the way, a daring Vatican heist and a fateful plane ride are standouts.) Everything proceeds (mostly) logically, and the plot hums along in time with Hunt's most personal story, his attempt to separate his romantic and professional lives (and how he is eventually forced to reconcile them). All in all, it's a beautiful and powerful film in its own right.

    Add another black mark to the 4th entry, which doubles back on MI3's mix of doom and optimism in favor of developments that were bog standard-sexist back in 2002's Spider-Man. The series has never had a great track record with women, although to go into too much detail here would entail spoilers. Suffice it to say that women in this series are, more often than not, objects to be fought over as much as any of the films' more literal MacGuffins. The first film features a woman as battleground; the second, as bait. (MI2 is also the film where Ethan's handler tells him unironically that being a woman is all the training a character needs to "go to bed with a man and lie to him"--that the whole film is both a romance and a reworking of Hitchcock's Notorious, and that the character in question does not return in any later entry, makes the whole thing even ickier.) MI3 does better to shift from whore tropes to Madonna tropes, but still isn't all the way there, although it points the way forward--and, as I said at the start of this paragraph, a way that Ghost Protocol goes to great lengths not to follow. (The oddest part of 3's gender dynamics, actually, is that Michelle Monaghan's performance doesn't match the way other characters portray her. We're told that she and Ethan met and fell in love because they were both the kind of adrenaline junkies who skydive and mountain climb in their spare time, but whenever she's onscreen she seems very Generic Hollywood Wife, right down to the career in medicine.)

    As someone who very much likes this series, gender warts (and doves) and all, I find myself apprehensive about the upcoming Rogue Nation. Will it continue the series' tradition of taut scripts, non-violent suspense sequences, solid Cruise performances, and idiosyncratic auteurism? Or will it follow in the 4th entry's footsteps by seeking to be a slick but ultimately forgettable bit of summer nonsense? Neither mission is impossible, here, but I know which one I'd choose to accept. This essay will self-destruct in 5 seconds.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited July 2015
    I gotta say that having caught the first MI movie recently on TV, I gotta agree with everything you said. It's amazing how many parts of that movie, and often the best parts, are Hunt weary and wary and on the run. The whole movie revolves around him being stripped of everything and how that effects him.

    And there is, as you say, surprisingly little action. But lots of tension.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I was in the mood to watch the first MI a while back. Popped in the DVD, and found that it was not only a shitty transfer, but it was non anamorphic as well. I couldn't make it through the movie, it was so painful to look at.

    I want to see it again, though, because it really is a great film.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I was in the mood to watch the first MI a while back. Popped in the DVD, and found that it was not only a shitty transfer, but it was non anamorphic as well. I couldn't make it through the movie, it was so painful to look at.

    I want to see it again, though, because it really is a great film.

    It's amazing what years of widescreen do to you. I used to be able to watch fullscreen as a kid, I swear.

    Years and years back, me and a friend say down to watch Leon: The Professional only to realise about 2 minutes in that it wasn't widescreen. And we had to stop. It's just so horrible and jarring to see pan-and-scan now. It's like physically discomforting.

  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I was in the mood to watch the first MI a while back. Popped in the DVD, and found that it was not only a shitty transfer, but it was non anamorphic as well. I couldn't make it through the movie, it was so painful to look at.

    I want to see it again, though, because it really is a great film.

    It's amazing what years of widescreen do to you. I used to be able to watch fullscreen as a kid, I swear.

    Years and years back, me and a friend say down to watch Leon: The Professional only to realise about 2 minutes in that it wasn't widescreen. And we had to stop. It's just so horrible and jarring to see pan-and-scan now. It's like physically discomforting.

    At least it wasn't in NTSC colour and with scan-line.

  • ButcherButcher Registered User regular
    So it's all but confirmed that Viggo Mortensen is playing the main antagonist assassin in Bourne 5, with Damon and Greengrass both returning. So fucking excited.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    So Renner's character is just ... disappearing?

  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    Who?

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  • ButcherButcher Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    So Renner's character is just ... disappearing?

    Not sure. I think it shares continuity and he might make an appearance, haven't heard anything else.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Monsters University had a rather fascinating message that you cannot necessarily do anything, even if you work really hard at it. That doesn't mean there isn't something else you can excel at, you just have to widen your eyes beyond that one dream.

    I enjoyed MU a great deal.

    I think the whole movie is inherently undermined by what we discover in the first movie.

    That said, there are two parts I really like
    Mom Character: I'll just stay here and listen to my tunes. *Death Metal*

    And the final Cabin Scene

    Still have to wait three weeks for Inside Out and that wait is butts.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    I liked Bourne Legacy, was interesting enough attempt at a new story in the Bourne universe, though the efforts it took to undermine the ending of Ultimatum less so.

    Man, I'm on an undermining kick this morning.

  • CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    Krieghund wrote: »
    On the Dogma commentary he is not kind to Linda Fiorintino, saying it was very unpleasant to shoot with her. He said he should have cast Garofalo as the last scion character.

    I've heard a few people say Fiorintino was an asshole, so thats not just hi.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Can't stand the third MI movie, would rather watch MI2 because Woo at least made the movie as an action shoot em up first and with that intent and the story was non existant, MI3 always comes across as trying to be so desperate to tell it's story even though it's the most generic thing I can't will myself to care about it.

    Fishburne is wasted and there was never a sense he was the bad guy, the romance is the weakest of all the films, and everything in China was a waste and just in contrast to what the movie was trying to do for the first two thirds that grahhhhhhhhhhh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ28rJCutMc


  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    I always find it hilarious that the plots for all the Mission: Impossible movies center around the IMF being either corrupt, incompetent, or impotent . . . and only Ethan Hunt and his crack team of disavowed agents can save the day.



    Like, every damn time.

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Kevin Smith also tells a story about Reese Witherspoon being a mean girl

    not sure why he thinks that's important

  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Kevin Smith also tells a story about Reese Witherspoon being a mean girl

    not sure why he thinks that's important

    Because he's sick of her trying to make "fetch" happen?

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited July 2015
    I do wonder how much of a coincidence it is that Kevin Smith is the common thread in all these "Kevin Smith thinks [person] is awful" stories.

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    I always find it hilarious that the plots for all the Mission: Impossible movies center around the IMF being either corrupt, incompetent, or impotent . . . and only Ethan Hunt and his crack team of disavowed agents can save the day.

    Like, every damn time.

    IMF keeps getting disbanded, too. Or it seems like it. Every movie seems to hit certain plot points which isn't necessarily that weird or even bad but the ones the MI movies pick is just bizarre. I have no idea how governmental oversight works in that universe.

  • ButcherButcher Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Kevin Smith also tells a story about Reese Witherspoon being a mean girl

    not sure why he thinks that's important

    She probably is, but it comes down to Smith needing to air every single thing publicly because he loves it. One of those people who doesn't really believe in keeping personal things personal.

  • TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    darleysam wrote: »
    I do wonder how much of a coincidence it is that Kevin Smith is the common thread in all these "Kevin Smith thinks [person] is awful" stories.

    I think it's probably that everything Smith says is fairly accurate (atleast from his perspective), and the reason he seems to be at the center of all these stories is that he likes being kind of a dick and airing all this stuff publicly.

  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Continually dishing up juicy gossip means people want to hear him talk at events and suchlike, so he's effectively mining it for dough.

  • ButcherButcher Registered User regular
    edited July 2015
    Just watched Out of the Furnace. What a terrible fucking waste of a good cast and production. Completely shit script from top to bottom.

    Butcher on
  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I don't see that quote (unless there are others?) as shit talking. He's mainly just saying the movie doesn't challenge him as an actor, but he still gave it his all. If anything he'd be accused of being too honest.

    I think he's complaining about not being told anything about the film other than the scenes he's in. He doesn't know what's going on in the movie, which limits his ability as an actor.

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    I'm trying real hard to come up with a reason why People should care what Kevin smith thinks of other people.

    It's much more interesting hearing what he thinks of himself.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I recall Smith shit talked on Timothy Olyphant calling him a jock asshole, which seemed to be hating on Olyphant because of how he looks and what he did in college (I believe he was a swimmer at USC?) from all of Tim's justified interviews including a great one with just Walton Goggins he's a fun guy and family man so fuck Kevin Smith, the Raylan Givens quote rings true "You run into an asshole in the morning he's an asshole, you run into assholes all day you're the asshole".

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    The thing about Smith shit talking everyone everywhere is that for me at least, it boils down to a question of "Who exactly are you again? A guy who made a black and white student film back in the early 90's (how fucking original) and maybe two or three other ones that were worth mentioning? Remind me again why we care what you think?"

  • Linespider5Linespider5 ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGER Registered User regular
    I'm...rather tired of the whole 'you participated in physical activity while getting an education, so you were/are a jock' thing that gets thrown around.

  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    edited July 2015
    Krieghund wrote: »
    On the Dogma commentary he is not kind to Linda Fiorintino, saying it was very unpleasant to shoot with her. He said he should have cast Garofalo as the last scion character.

    I've heard a few people say Fiorintino was an asshole, so thats not just hi.

    Didn't she also refuse to do any promotion for Dogma?
    Gaddez wrote: »
    The thing about Smith shit talking everyone everywhere is that for me at least, it boils down to a question of "Who exactly are you again? A guy who made a black and white student film back in the early 90's (how fucking original) and maybe two or three other ones that were worth mentioning? Remind me again why we care what you think?"

    He makes that point all the time. He's always pointing out how his opinions don't matter and makes fun of himself.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Add another black mark to the 4th entry, which doubles back on MI3's mix of doom and optimism in favor of developments that were bog standard-sexist back in 2002's Spider-Man. The series has never had a great track record with women, although to go into too much detail here would entail spoilers. Suffice it to say that women in this series are, more often than not, objects to be fought over as much as any of the films' more literal MacGuffins. The first film features a woman as battleground; the second, as bait. (MI2 is also the film where Ethan's handler tells him unironically that being a woman is all the training a character needs to "go to bed with a man and lie to him"--that the whole film is both a romance and a reworking of Hitchcock's Notorious, and that the character in question does not return in any later entry, makes the whole thing even ickier.) MI3 does better to shift from whore tropes to Madonna tropes, but still isn't all the way there, although it points the way forward--and, as I said at the start of this paragraph, a way that Ghost Protocol goes to great lengths not to follow. (The oddest part of 3's gender dynamics, actually, is that Michelle Monaghan's performance doesn't match the way other characters portray her. We're told that she and Ethan met and fell in love because they were both the kind of adrenaline junkies who skydive and mountain climb in their spare time, but whenever she's onscreen she seems very Generic Hollywood Wife, right down to the career in medicine.)

    Agreed. They came very close to realizing Paula Patton's character's full potential yet utterly failed to do it properly, while the male cast members didn't have this disadvantage. I was disappointed she never came back for a sequel, she was good character and the actress is wonderful. Now I'm thinking about it I can't remember any female agents returning in sequels - like male members have returned (Simon Pegg, Jeremy Renner, Ving Rhames). They need to bring back Maggie Q.

  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Kevin Smith is fine. He doesn't have an internal editor (or much of an external one, sorry Scott Mosier), but people talk like he's the worst person ever because he speaks his mind and isn't very politic about it. He's usually right when he talks about certain people being rich weirdos. Don't like him? Don't rent his stuff. He's harmless.

    Contrast him, with, say, Katt Williams, who is an actively horrible human being with a similar level of exposure, but we never complain about him, really.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited July 2015
    Bogart wrote: »
    Continually dishing up juicy gossip means people want to hear him talk at events and suchlike, so he's effectively mining it for dough.

    He's acting like a comedian on tours and at events, he's just doing it unofficially. Kathy Griffin does this too - as a comedian.
    Gaddez wrote: »
    The thing about Smith shit talking everyone everywhere is that for me at least, it boils down to a question of "Who exactly are you again? A guy who made a black and white student film back in the early 90's (how fucking original) and maybe two or three other ones that were worth mentioning? Remind me again why we care what you think?"

    Smith has a claim to fame (being a movie director), charismatic, tells entertaining stories and is funny. That's all he needs, and this adds to what he's known for doing.

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  • madparrotmadparrot Registered User regular
    edited July 2015
    i watched Clerks and enjoyed it. i then watched Mallrats but shut it off halfway through when i realized that it was the film that Clerks made fun of through most of its running time.

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