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Let's Play Final Fantasy 12 Together - Week 12. Bahamut.

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  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know Texas booniesRegistered User regular
    Don't listen to Ondore's lies!

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Is there a good walkthough to follow for this (how to build characters/gambits and how to deal with certain bosses accordingly)

    I tried several times to play through 12, but I always stonewalled somewhere or spent so much time grinding to continue that I gave up

    Your problem is probably equipment or license-based rather level-based. In a playthrough where you don't run from enemies you shouldn't really need to grind, ever

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Null Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Is there a good walkthough to follow for this (how to build characters/gambits and how to deal with certain bosses accordingly)

    I tried several times to play through 12, but I always stonewalled somewhere or spent so much time grinding to continue that I gave up

    Your problem is probably equipment or license-based rather level-based. In a playthrough where you don't run from enemies you shouldn't really need to grind, ever

    That is what I said yes.

    The last time I went at it, I followed some stupid guide that had me farm katanas with vaan and get him up to 30 before even starting the game proper, and that got me as far as I had gotten where I was stuck on the last play through (the wall boss?) then I looked at the guide again and it was like "okay, now we can go farm bombs for x hours..."

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    I came away from the game incredibly dissatisfied with it no matter what I did

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Uhhhh

    Be focused on assigned roles for each party member early on, and try to get those Quickenings, is all I really remember

    Quickenings can be used in a pinch to break certain early bosses in half

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  • RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    You don't even need to beat the Demon Wall. You can run from it.

    I never had to farm or level grind if I didn't want to in order to get through the critical path.

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    just cast reflect on everybody then aoe your party with bio

  • NaphtaliNaphtali Null Registered User regular
    alright nevermind

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  • SilverWindSilverWind Registered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Is there a good walkthough to follow for this (how to build characters/gambits and how to deal with certain bosses accordingly)

    I tried several times to play through 12, but I always stonewalled somewhere or spent so much time grinding to continue that I gave up

    Your problem is probably equipment or license-based rather level-based. In a playthrough where you don't run from enemies you shouldn't really need to grind, ever

    That is what I said yes.

    The last time I went at it, I followed some stupid guide that had me farm katanas with vaan and get him up to 30 before even starting the game proper, and that got me as far as I had gotten where I was stuck on the last play through (the wall boss?) then I looked at the guide again and it was like "okay, now we can go farm bombs for x hours..."

    nooooope.jpeg

    I came away from the game incredibly dissatisfied with it no matter what I did

    That's the point of joining in this LPT, @Naphtali! Quite a few of us have played the game before and can offer running advice on bosses, etc.

    Mainly, though, don't do any lengthy grinding whatsoever, unless it's for a rare drop or something and you really want that weapon.

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    No, seriously! That's the chief thing. You have to be focused on having certain party members fulling certain roles to make better use of their early levels. If you have problems with a particular boss, you generally want to drop some sick status magic on it, because status magic works more often than you'd believe

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  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know Texas booniesRegistered User regular
    edited June 2015
    SilverWind wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Is there a good walkthough to follow for this (how to build characters/gambits and how to deal with certain bosses accordingly)

    I tried several times to play through 12, but I always stonewalled somewhere or spent so much time grinding to continue that I gave up

    Your problem is probably equipment or license-based rather level-based. In a playthrough where you don't run from enemies you shouldn't really need to grind, ever

    That is what I said yes.

    The last time I went at it, I followed some stupid guide that had me farm katanas with vaan and get him up to 30 before even starting the game proper, and that got me as far as I had gotten where I was stuck on the last play through (the wall boss?) then I looked at the guide again and it was like "okay, now we can go farm bombs for x hours..."

    nooooope.jpeg

    I came away from the game incredibly dissatisfied with it no matter what I did

    That's the point of joining in this LPT, @Naphtali! Quite a few of us have played the game before and can offer running advice on bosses, etc.

    Mainly, though, don't do any lengthy grinding whatsoever, unless it's for a rare drop or something and you really want that weapon.

    (I'm totally grinding all the things. Gotta get money for the grimoires so my things sell for more money!)

    That's me, though, you do you.

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  • The Hanged ManThe Hanged Man Once I ate a pizza so big, they gave me a prize. Then I threw up and they took it back.Registered User regular
    I've always meant to go back to FFXII and finish it. I was fairly close to the end when I burned out. Play had become pretty repetitive for me towards the end, because I was trying to grind the full license board for all six characters, even though Vaan and Penelo hadn't made it into my combat team once after the story stopped requiring them. Then I found out I'd screwed up the zodiac spear, couldn't get 100% item acquisition, and rage quit. By the time I'd talked myself off that ledge, I'd moved on to the PS3 and couldn't remember where all the PS2 parts were.

    I did scrape together all my PS2 stuff not too long ago for a Kingdom Hearts 1 replay, though. So tonight, I'll see if I can find my FFXII disc, and if so, sign up!

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  • The Hanged ManThe Hanged Man Once I ate a pizza so big, they gave me a prize. Then I threw up and they took it back.Registered User regular
    FFXII disc located. FFXII guide also located, which I don't remember purchasing and which would have saved me from some troubles if I'd been using it the first time around. And replacement PS2 controller purchased and tested, after a Dr. Pepper spill ruined its predecessor.

    So sign me the heck up!

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  • WyvernWyvern Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    No, seriously! That's the chief thing. You have to be focused on having certain party members fulling certain roles to make better use of their early levels. If you have problems with a particular boss, you generally want to drop some sick status magic on it, because status magic works more often than you'd believe
    How early do you need to be nailing this stuff down? Is it the kind of system where some dubious decisions in the first few hours will haunt you for the rest of the game if you change your mind?

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    It's the opposite

    Early mistakes will give you some headaches early on but then eventually everyone can learn everything so what skills you picked up first doesn't really matter in the end

    But it makes the early sections a lot easier if everyone is doing something distinct because it gives you more variety in what your party is capable of

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    god why does vaan even exist

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  • No Great NameNo Great Name FRAUD DETECTED Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    god why does vaan even exist

    Little Japanese girls like you

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    god why does vaan even exist

    Little Japanese girls like you

    I am in fact moe

  • No Great NameNo Great Name FRAUD DETECTED Registered User regular
    But you'll never be kawaii

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    god why does vaan even exist

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Wyvern wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    No, seriously! That's the chief thing. You have to be focused on having certain party members fulling certain roles to make better use of their early levels. If you have problems with a particular boss, you generally want to drop some sick status magic on it, because status magic works more often than you'd believe
    How early do you need to be nailing this stuff down? Is it the kind of system where some dubious decisions in the first few hours will haunt you for the rest of the game if you change your mind?

    I got through the game fine and I'm a notorious idiot at this stuff

    I just said "OK you're going to get the shields, you're going to get the white magic, you're going to get the guns" etc.

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    When a old buddy of mine was playing this game he got stuck when he found out you can just make everyone use a sword and shield and have it work out just fine.

  • RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    Yeah making everyone a paladin can work out if you just want to brute force your way. But specializing can let you get further on the license board and possibly unlock higher tier gear and abilities earlier.

  • SilverWindSilverWind Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Wyvern wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    No, seriously! That's the chief thing. You have to be focused on having certain party members fulling certain roles to make better use of their early levels. If you have problems with a particular boss, you generally want to drop some sick status magic on it, because status magic works more often than you'd believe
    How early do you need to be nailing this stuff down? Is it the kind of system where some dubious decisions in the first few hours will haunt you for the rest of the game if you change your mind?

    I got through the game fine and I'm a notorious idiot at this stuff

    I just said "OK you're going to get the shields, you're going to get the white magic, you're going to get the guns" etc.

    I had a crazy-strong ass-whooping Girls Club and it was fantastic

    I mostly made specialization decisions based on what the strongest weapons I had were at any moment

    Also I can't remember ever using black magic? All status and curatives for me... I think

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    I just wish I still had this game.

    I never got super far in myself but it seemed real cool.

  • SilverWindSilverWind Registered User regular
    Ten dollars, Uriel! :P There's still time! http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000F5IH2I/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=1435632343&sr=8-1

    Actually I think there's one for seven dollars, tax included right now!

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    I'm broke until Friday or I might have jumped on that.

  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    The only time I grind in 12 is when you're heading to the tomb, and you can basically run through that desert area getting chains indefinitely, so after about 20 minutes you're getting stacks of drops.

    Do that for about 40 minutes and never bother again.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Gotta get that early game Gladius yo

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  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know Texas booniesRegistered User regular
    there's never enough gil, you hear me? NEVER

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  • SilverWindSilverWind Registered User regular
    Wyborn and I bought a copy of IZJS, by the bye. So that'll be the version he'll be tromping through. I'll be knit-commentating.

    (I'm currently the only member of our household to have beaten Yiazmat / gotten all the espers, so he'll be trying to catch up). :P

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  • Uncle PKUncle PK Registered User regular
    This game was sweet

    Not much to add to the discussion really. Just liked the game is all

  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    I'm going to be trying out the Zodiac Job System version, too.

    Trying to decide how to split up the different jobs between everyone.

    Currently thinking: Fran gets Dragoon (which is called Uhlan here, I guess), Ashe gets Knight, Penelo gets Red Mage, Balthier gets Machinist, Vaan gets Monk, and Basch gets Breaker. Not really any reasoning behind it other than a) I like those jobs and b) personal aesthetic preferences.

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  • RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    I seem to remember Bagolys in that mystical forest dropping mirror mails all over the place. Sell those, get money, repeat.

    Takes a while to get there, though.

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Renzo wrote: »
    I seem to remember Bagolys in that mystical forest dropping mirror mails all over the place. Sell those, get money, repeat.

    Takes a while to get there, though.

    Yeah you chain these guys for a while, sell what you pick up, and you do not really need more money after that point, ever, for anything

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  • Halos Nach TariffHalos Nach Tariff Can you blame me? I'm too famous.Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Isn't that forest pretty late on though, or, at least it's late on by the time you can easily farm the thingies?
    Or maybe I'm thinking of a different forest, this game has a lot of mystical jungles, or you revisit several jungles a few times? Something like that.

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  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know Texas booniesRegistered User regular
    It's not early. I'd say at least 65% through the main story, maybe closer to 75

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  • RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    Isn't that forest pretty late on though, or, at least it's late on by the time you can easily farm the thingies?
    Or maybe I'm thinking of a different forest, this game has a lot of mystical jungles, or you revisit several jungles a few times? Something like that.

    Yeah, it's pretty late, in The Salikawood. Past Mt. Bur-Omisace and The Stilshrine of Miriam. Probably 3/4 of the way through the game.

  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    So for anyone who plans to try the IZJS version, here's a very long list of what each Esper grants each respective Job, since license boards are laid out in such a way that certain parts of the board are inaccessible unless you use a certain esper to "bridge" the path over. You can totally play without worrying about it, but it's something to think about in terms of what jobs you choose and what espers you distribute to who.

    Again, this list is very long
    Belias
    - Archer: None
    - Black Mage: None
    - Breaker: Horology
    - Hunter: None
    - Knight: Potion Lore 1
    - Machinist: None
    - Monk: None
    - Red Mage: None
    - Samurai: Libra
    - Time Mage: None
    - Uhlan: None
    - White Mage: None

    Mateus
    - Archer: None
    - Black Mage: Hand Bombs 3
    - Breaker: None
    - Hunter: Gil Toss
    - Knight: Esuna, cleanse, curaga, regen
    - Machinist: None
    - Monk: None
    - Red Mage: None
    - Samurai: None
    - Time Mage: +230 HP
    - Uhlan: Magick Lore x2
    - White Mage: None

    Adrammelech
    - Archer: None
    - Black Mage: Hand Bombs 2
    - Breaker: Battle Lore
    - Hunter: Shades of Black
    - Knight: None
    - Machinist: None
    - Monk: None
    - Red Mage: None
    - Samurai: Souleater
    - Time Mage: Cura, Raise
    - Uhlan: Battle Lore
    - White Mage: Battle Lore, Souleater

    Zalera
    - Archer: None
    - Black Mage: Steal, Poach
    - Breaker: Traveler
    - Hunter: +435 HP
    - Knight: None
    - Machinist: None
    - Monk: Traveler
    - Red Mage: None
    - Samurai: Blood Sword, Blood Sword A
    - Time Mage: Ether Lore 3
    - Uhlan: None
    - White Mage: None

    Shemhazai
    - Archer: Heavy Armor 10, 11, 12
    - Black Mage: Mirror Mail
    - Breaker: None
    - Hunter: Guns 5, Guns 6
    - Knight: Potion Lore 2
    - Machinist: Hand Bombs 3
    - Monk: Potion Lore 3
    - Red Mage: Esuna, Cleanse
    - Samurai: Shield Block
    - Time Mage: None
    - Uhlan: None
    - White Mage: +230 HP

    Cuchulainn
    - Archer: None
    - Black Mage: None
    - Breaker: Shades of Black
    - Hunter: Protecga, Shellga
    - Knight: Battle Lore
    - Machinist: Magick Lore
    - Monk: None
    - Red Mage: Fir-, Thun- Bizzaga, Sleepga
    - Samurai: (or Ultima) Stamp
    - Time Mage: None
    - Uhlan: Wither
    - White Mage: Libra

    Exodus
    - Archer: None
    - Black Mage: Heavy Armor 8
    - Breaker: (or Zeromus) Magick Lore x4
    - Hunter: Stamp
    - Knight: +350 HP
    - Machinist: Decoy, Oil
    - Monk: Souleater
    - Red Mage: Heavy Armor 8, 9, 10
    - Samurai: +500 HP
    - Time Mage: Battle Lore
    - Uhlan: None
    - White Mage: Battle Lore

    Zeromus
    - Archer: None
    - Black Mage: Heavy Armor 9
    - Breaker: (or Exodus) Magick Lore x4
    - Hunter: None
    - Knight: None
    - Machinist: Hand Bombs 4
    - Monk: Sight Unseeing
    - Red Mage: Channeling
    - Samurai: Magick Lore x2
    - Time Mage: Addle, Shear
    - Uhlan: None
    - White Mage: +270 HP

    Hashmal
    - Archer: None
    - Black Mage: Hand Bombs 4
    - Breaker: Swiftness
    - Hunter: Bonecrusher
    - Knight: White Magic 8, 9
    - Machinist: None
    - Monk: Cura, Raise
    - Red Mage: Steal
    - Samurai: None
    - Time Mage: Channeling
    - Uhlan: Bonecrusher
    - White Mage: None

    Famfrit
    - Archer: +390 HP, +435 HP=825
    - Black Mage: +190, 230, 310 HP=730
    - Breaker: Magick Lore
    - Hunter: None
    - Knight: None
    - Machinist: Time Magick 8, 9, 10
    - Monk: Arise, Dispelga
    - Red Mage: Battle Lore x2
    - Samurai: None
    - Time Mage: Battle Lore
    - Uhlan: Potion Lore 3
    - White Mage: Daggers 5, Numerology

    Chaos
    - Archer: Magic Lore x 5
    - Black Mage: None
    - Breaker: None
    - Hunter: None
    - Knight: None
    - Machinist: +350 HP
    - Monk: Holy esunaga protect/shellga
    - Red Mage: Ultima Blade
    - Samurai: Brawler
    - Time Mage: +270 HP
    - Uhlan: Bio blindga aeroga silencega
    - White Mage: +310 HP, Greatswords 2

    Ultima
    - Archer: (or Zodiark) Infuse, 1000 Needles
    - Black Mage: Telekinesis
    - Breaker: Swiftness
    - Hunter: Phoenix Lore x2
    - Knight: Telekinesis, Battle Lore
    - Machinist: None
    - Monk: Swiftness x2
    - Red Mage: Great Swords 1, 2
    - Samurai: (or Cuchulainn) Stamp
    - Time Mage: Swords 7, 8
    - Uhlan: Expose
    - White Mage: None

    Zodiark
    - Archer: (or Ultima) Infuse, 1000 Needles
    - Black Mage: None
    - Breaker: None
    - Hunter: None
    - Knight: None
    - Machinist: +390 HP
    - Monk: Renew
    - Red Mage: Ragnarok
    - Samurai: Heavy Armor 9, 10, 11
    - Time Mage: Swords 9
    - Uhlan: None
    - White Mage: Greatswords 1

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  • GroveGrove Los AngelesRegistered User regular
    Renzo wrote: »
    Isn't that forest pretty late on though, or, at least it's late on by the time you can easily farm the thingies?
    Or maybe I'm thinking of a different forest, this game has a lot of mystical jungles, or you revisit several jungles a few times? Something like that.

    Yeah, it's pretty late, in The Salikawood. Past Mt. Bur-Omisace and The Stilshrine of Miriam. Probably 3/4 of the way through the game.

    How the hell do you remember the names of those places? I worry about you sometimes Renzo.

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