Okay, after a couple of games I'm really disliking the Fiora rework. If everything goes well for her she can put out a ton of damage, but her core mechanic of having to dance around your opponent is incredibly risky when she's so fragile and melee ranged. The only parts I really like about the change are her Q not needing a target (although the drawback now is that it's shorter range and you can only dash once) and her W blocking all damage (with the downside being that the delayed projectile seems rather difficult to hit). I massively dislike her new E and the loss of Blade Waltz is a huge change to her playstyle.
At core, I'm just not sure what role she's meant to fill in a team. Assassin? She doesn't put out damage quickly enough and will have trouble making it to the back lines. Bruiser? She's nowhere near tanky enough. Melee carry? Dies too quickly to put out sustained damage. "Dedicated tank buster" seems to be her best niche but why take her when you could take a marksman instead?
edit: If you remember my old post about Seasons from about a year ago when we had the exact same thing happen right before worlds. I linked it in my response to Meddler. If you didn't or haven't had the chance maybe upvote it and somehow bring it back to the top of the page [if that can even happen]
Okay. So, i messed around with Fiora a bit vs bots.
Verdict:
- New costume is baller and at least 300% more better than her tragic lycra catsuit costume
- I like the passive. It's probably not as great in practice as the old sustain passive, but it feels good to hit the procs
- I like new Riposte, but it feels fiddly / awkward. Oh well.
- New ult feels like garbage if I'm totally honest, which is a bummer. The proc is just fucking stupidly powerful if you can trigger it, but in practice I think it will be extremely low impact because you only proc it if you've pretty much won the fight already. Everything about the ult aside from the proc is a joke. This is a big downgrade from her previous incarnation, which is pretty dumb because Fiora was not someone who needed any kind of nerf.
Riot has been adding gimmicks to champions that make it a huge step harder to achieve the same results of much simpler gimmick-less champions who will consistently perform.
Hence, these champion gimmicks cause those champions to under perform. You have to have more execution and more work to potentially, but not always, reach the same result.
Ping is going to be NY level for bad last milers in Seattle it looks like. ~45 is a lot Well there goes my 12 ping.
edit: I am kind of surprised, there should be a Seattle to Chicago direct link. And I am wondering why then Pac NW pings would even increase since the distance from Seattle to LA is about the same as the distance to chicago.
edit: Wait the servers were in Portland? Good lord why? LA has way way way more throughput and you're right next to them. No fucking wonder NYC was complaining. Portland is tiny and has no direct links anywhere except the coast. East Coasters would go to LA before going to Portland.
Okay, after a couple of games I'm really disliking the Fiora rework. If everything goes well for her she can put out a ton of damage, but her core mechanic of having to dance around your opponent is incredibly risky when she's so fragile and melee ranged. The only parts I really like about the change are her Q not needing a target (although the drawback now is that it's shorter range and you can only dash once) and her W blocking all damage (with the downside being that the delayed projectile seems rather difficult to hit). I massively dislike her new E and the loss of Blade Waltz is a huge change to her playstyle.
At core, I'm just not sure what role she's meant to fill in a team. Assassin? She doesn't put out damage quickly enough and will have trouble making it to the back lines. Bruiser? She's nowhere near tanky enough. Melee carry? Dies too quickly to put out sustained damage. "Dedicated tank buster" seems to be her best niche but why take her when you could take a marksman instead?
I kind of wonder how well she'd do in a support role. The bullying potential is definitely there with Vital procs, she can safely body block for a lane mate and her ult could be a big deal in a tight 2v2 duel.
The problem becomes, 'What does Fiora do after laning ends?' Dedicated peel, maybe? Meh.
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Okay, after a couple of games I'm really disliking the Fiora rework. If everything goes well for her she can put out a ton of damage, but her core mechanic of having to dance around your opponent is incredibly risky when she's so fragile and melee ranged. The only parts I really like about the change are her Q not needing a target (although the drawback now is that it's shorter range and you can only dash once) and her W blocking all damage (with the downside being that the delayed projectile seems rather difficult to hit). I massively dislike her new E and the loss of Blade Waltz is a huge change to her playstyle.
At core, I'm just not sure what role she's meant to fill in a team. Assassin? She doesn't put out damage quickly enough and will have trouble making it to the back lines. Bruiser? She's nowhere near tanky enough. Melee carry? Dies too quickly to put out sustained damage. "Dedicated tank buster" seems to be her best niche but why take her when you could take a marksman instead?
her new ult just seems thematically unfitting
i feel like if it had been an ult where it just puts all of her abilities on lower cooldown for a certain period of time it might actually approach that back and forth feeling you see in fencing
Ping is going to be NY level for bad last milers in Seattle it looks like. ~45 is a lot Well there goes my 12 ping.
edit: I am kind of surprised, there should be a Seattle to Chicago direct link. And I am wondering why then Pac NW pings would even increase since the distance from Seattle to LA is about the same as the distance to chicago.
edit: Wait the servers were in Portland? Good lord why? LA has way way way more throughput and you're right next to them. No fucking wonder NYC was complaining. Portland is tiny and has no direct links anywhere except the coast. East Coasters would go to LA before going to Portland.
But Gou! Remember:
We also want to emphasize again that ping is just a part of the picture and that no player will be left out in the cold with this move.
rofl
I like how Riot enjoys talking to people like they're idiots. All this talk about their 'tech debt' and how they want to improve the experience, and hence they cannot implement basic features, but will they buy more servers to improve the experience? Nope, just move the existing pieces of crap to Chicago.
Okay, after a couple of games I'm really disliking the Fiora rework. If everything goes well for her she can put out a ton of damage, but her core mechanic of having to dance around your opponent is incredibly risky when she's so fragile and melee ranged. The only parts I really like about the change are her Q not needing a target (although the drawback now is that it's shorter range and you can only dash once) and her W blocking all damage (with the downside being that the delayed projectile seems rather difficult to hit). I massively dislike her new E and the loss of Blade Waltz is a huge change to her playstyle.
At core, I'm just not sure what role she's meant to fill in a team. Assassin? She doesn't put out damage quickly enough and will have trouble making it to the back lines. Bruiser? She's nowhere near tanky enough. Melee carry? Dies too quickly to put out sustained damage. "Dedicated tank buster" seems to be her best niche but why take her when you could take a marksman instead?
her new ult just seems thematically unfitting
i feel like if it had been an ult where it just puts all of her abilities on lower cooldown for a certain period of time it might actually approach that back and forth feeling you see in fencing
Actually yeah, that would have worked. Make her hyper mobile. Make weak points instantly respawn after being hit. Maybe make Q hit everything in the line (flurry of hits to nail all weakspots in range?). And yeah, slash the cooldowns hard.
Honestly any fight with any real AoE and CC flying I just can't see her getting the ult proc off at all until yeah, cleanup. Or if she just slaps it on someone the assassin's diving into. RQ>assassin does the rest.
No Seattle to Chi direct link unless riot sets it up. We go Utah to denver to kansas it looks like. NJ is only 15 MS further than Chicago from Seattle. So Pac NW gets the shaft pretty hard on this. Won't have too much of an effect unless you have a bad last mile though. If you're like me, going from 12 to 50 ms consistent it shouldn't be too bad.
So, Fiora is really good anti-dive tech. Zed goes in, you just kill him with ult proc and all of his damage is undone. Monkey goes in, Riposte actually stops his spin cold without you getting knocked-up (that is, he still spins, but he's stunned in place). Leona Zenith blade? Haha no, body block with Riposte.
Maybe she's supposed to be the anti-assassin? I'm still dubious about how effective this is in practice, but it was satisfying to watch Zed's proc barely miss lethal because Trist was healing on top of my dumb regeneration sigil.
Shrug. Rito's not without flaws but I think the community is over reacting. Like about everything. I'm pretty happy with the game and how they are improving it. Taking the best traits of other games/companies and expecting Riot to live up to all of them is unreasonable, and ignores the positives that keep us here instead of switching.
Playing around with the new Fiora she's really quite awful
you need a dedicated team to hold someone down so you can ult them, to get a ...heal? What the fuck?
If her true damage scaled with hitpoints she'd be good, but her new kit requires extended interaction at melee range, but she has a zero percent survival rate in extended engagements at melee range
Here's how I would have reworked blade waltz: When activating her ult, for the next X seconds her Lunge has no cooldown and 4 charges (doing a full auto attack but doing 40% damage on subsequent targets, as before) while still putting the 4 vitals on them
As it stands she's just a really bad Vayne
It's not that she can't do damage, but I don't really see a circumstance where Master Yi wouldn't be better
Which is silly when you consider there's a Seattle to Chicago direct link train. Like maybe someone could just leave a spool of cable on the end of the caboose some time?
Umm, I'm like at 120-170 ping here in Memphis currently.
Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Playing around with the new Fiora she's really quite awful
you need a dedicated team to hold someone down so you can ult them, to get a ...heal? What the fuck?
If her true damage scaled with hitpoints she'd be good, but her new kit requires extended interaction at melee range, but she has a zero percent survival rate in extended engagements at melee range
Here's how I would have reworked blade waltz: When activating her ult, for the next X seconds her Lunge has no cooldown and 4 charges (doing a full auto attack but doing 40% damage on subsequent targets, as before) while still putting the 4 vitals on them
As it stands she's just a really bad Vayne
It's not that she can't do damage, but I don't really see a circumstance where Master Yi wouldn't be better
Her True Damage does scale with HP though.
I'm torn on her kit. I feel like it was a totally unecessary rework that nobody wanted & nobody asked for, which is always a bad idea, but the end result may be okay.
Definitely a lot closer to Miami than it was before. Sadly I'll still get a much faster ping (30~) and never go link dead when connected to the Latin America server. A shame it doesn't have Dominion or anyone I know on it.
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Wait, so this move means I might get under 80 ping? That's amazing!
Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
To check about what your new ping will be ping this IP: 104.160.131.1
I ping about 47
To bitch about Viktor make a thread because they're gutting him on the PBE
Which is hilarious because he isn't all that good [He is average in LCK/LPL, exceptionally weak in EU and LCS, and below average in soloqueue]
Prototype Core
AP per level lowered to 1 from 3
Now grants 10 mana per level
The Hex Core Mk-1
AP per level lowered to 3 from 4
No longer gives 20 flat ability power
No longer gives 150 mana
Now gives +15 mana per level
The Hex Core mk-2
AP per level increased to 6 from 5
No longer gives 40 flat ability power
No longer gives 300 mana
Now gives +20 mana per level
Perfect Hex Core
AP per level increased to 10 from 6
No longer gives 60 flat ability power
No longer gives 500 mana
Now gives +25 mana per level
Total Stats at Perfect and level 18: 450 Mana 180 AP [vs 148 current]
At base you're weaker by 2 AP/level. At mk-1 you're weaker by 1 AP/level and 20 AP. At mk-2 you're weaker by 1 AP/level and 40 AP. With the Perfect Core you're weaker at any point before level 15, even at 15. Better at 16,17,18. [minus the mana of course]
Umm, I'm like at 120-170 ping here in Memphis currently.
Holy shit! Another Memphian and a lol player to boot.
What up bruh. I'm trying to get malco here to host a Worlds viewing party but the corporate lady is dense as heck. Might collaborate instead with the Rec Room, that I believe is kind of a new barcade on Broad.
Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Playing around with the new Fiora she's really quite awful
you need a dedicated team to hold someone down so you can ult them, to get a ...heal? What the fuck?
If her true damage scaled with hitpoints she'd be good, but her new kit requires extended interaction at melee range, but she has a zero percent survival rate in extended engagements at melee range
Here's how I would have reworked blade waltz: When activating her ult, for the next X seconds her Lunge has no cooldown and 4 charges (doing a full auto attack but doing 40% damage on subsequent targets, as before) while still putting the 4 vitals on them
As it stands she's just a really bad Vayne
It's not that she can't do damage, but I don't really see a circumstance where Master Yi wouldn't be better
Her True Damage does scale with HP though.
I'm torn on her kit. I feel like it was a totally unecessary rework that nobody wanted & nobody asked for, which is always a bad idea, but the end result may be okay.
Her true damage does scale with HP, but the % won't be very high unless you build all damage items
and if you do that, you'll die before you can get all 4 vitals against any team with decent CC
She's a decent duelist but my experiences tonight have been that coordinated teams just focus you, you got no windwall or yasuo dash+knockup, you got no intangible like yi, you don't have tankiness like a bruiser
And like I said Vayne can already do the % health thing, and she can turn invisible and has a knockback
Riot has been adding gimmicks to champions that make it a huge step harder to achieve the same results of much simpler gimmick-less champions who will consistently perform.
Hence, these champion gimmicks cause those champions to under perform. You have to have more execution and more work to potentially, but not always, reach the same result.
Yes exactly, newFiora can do well, but the effort and skill required to reach parity with oldFiora is bizarre
you could just play Yi, who gets true damage, extra autos, intangible, resets, etc
I really like a lot of new fiora's kit, the ult I feel is what's holding it back, Fiora's ult should be a "oh shit" panic moment for squishies like when they see a Yi bolting in or a talon vanish. That or Fiora should just be readjusted to be a tankey bruiser, which she most certainly isn't
Servers moving to Chicago is great news for me. I've had a ping of around 70-100 no matter what provider I've used. I live in Illinois so this should drastically reduce my ping, I'm hoping.
It does suck for those who were already close to the server though.
Rec Room is great, and I would show up to watch the LCS there. Is the Malco Lady (tm) Debbie? She used to be my boss almost 20 years ago.
Wow what a small world. No, the person in charge of their corporate promos is named Karen. I've organized fighting game tourneys in and around Memphis multiple times, and usually I dont have a problem dealing with higher ups because I also work in management and hide my nerdiness under my late-30s corporate exterior. However Karen is somewhat difficult to explain to and doesn't seem to grasp how viewing parties work. I was going to rent out a theater out of my own pocket for Worlds and all they would have to do is stream the event, but she won't even confirm for me if streaming to a movie screen is an option. I think its just outside her experience and she doesn't want to deal with it, even though it's money in their pockets. Shortsighted, imo. So I'm looking into the Rec Room as an alternative.
Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Ping is going to be NY level for bad last milers in Seattle it looks like. ~45 is a lot Well there goes my 12 ping.
edit: I am kind of surprised, there should be a Seattle to Chicago direct link. And I am wondering why then Pac NW pings would even increase since the distance from Seattle to LA is about the same as the distance to chicago.
edit: Wait the servers were in Portland? Good lord why? LA has way way way more throughput and you're right next to them. No fucking wonder NYC was complaining. Portland is tiny and has no direct links anywhere except the coast. East Coasters would go to LA before going to Portland.
like holy fuck you guys are fucking thrilled to be moving from 80 ping to 40? I've had to deal with consistent 120-150 MS for almost 2 years now. IT'S AWFUL
@jaef spectated one of my games one and was like "jesus christ, why do you even play this game, this is terrible "
Rec Room is great, and I would show up to watch the LCS there. Is the Malco Lady (tm) Debbie? She used to be my boss almost 20 years ago.
Wow what a small world. No, the person in charge of their corporate promos is named Karen. I've organized fighting game tourneys in and around Memphis multiple times, and usually I dont have a problem dealing with higher ups because I also work in management and hide my nerdiness under my late-30s corporate exterior. However Karen is somewhat difficult to explain to and doesn't seem to grasp how viewing parties work. I was going to rent out a theater out of my own pocket for Worlds and all they would have to do is stream the event, but she won't even confirm for me if streaming to a movie screen is an option. I think its just outside her experience and she doesn't want to deal with it, even though it's money in their pockets. Shortsighted, imo. So I'm looking into the Rec Room as an alternative.
I honestly think the Rec Room may be a better option anyway. Granted it'll have seating trouble if a bunch of people turn-up (I don't know how you'd reach out to others to let them know), but their Living Rooms are incredible.
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At core, I'm just not sure what role she's meant to fill in a team. Assassin? She doesn't put out damage quickly enough and will have trouble making it to the back lines. Bruiser? She's nowhere near tanky enough. Melee carry? Dies too quickly to put out sustained damage. "Dedicated tank buster" seems to be her best niche but why take her when you could take a marksman instead?
Also in his justification for the 5.16 patch being in for worlds, Meddler says basically "we totally shouldn't do this but we're doing it anyway" http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/EEd1kuIe-why-not-just-take-things-slowly-and-split-contents-into-2-patches?comment=0000
edit: If you remember my old post about Seasons from about a year ago when we had the exact same thing happen right before worlds. I linked it in my response to Meddler. If you didn't or haven't had the chance maybe upvote it and somehow bring it back to the top of the page [if that can even happen]
Verdict:
- New costume is baller and at least 300% more better than her tragic lycra catsuit costume
- I like the passive. It's probably not as great in practice as the old sustain passive, but it feels good to hit the procs
- I like new Riposte, but it feels fiddly / awkward. Oh well.
- New ult feels like garbage if I'm totally honest, which is a bummer. The proc is just fucking stupidly powerful if you can trigger it, but in practice I think it will be extremely low impact because you only proc it if you've pretty much won the fight already. Everything about the ult aside from the proc is a joke. This is a big downgrade from her previous incarnation, which is pretty dumb because Fiora was not someone who needed any kind of nerf.
My ping is generally half of what they estimate it might increase by.
Hence, these champion gimmicks cause those champions to under perform. You have to have more execution and more work to potentially, but not always, reach the same result.
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edit: I am kind of surprised, there should be a Seattle to Chicago direct link. And I am wondering why then Pac NW pings would even increase since the distance from Seattle to LA is about the same as the distance to chicago.
edit: Wait the servers were in Portland? Good lord why? LA has way way way more throughput and you're right next to them. No fucking wonder NYC was complaining. Portland is tiny and has no direct links anywhere except the coast. East Coasters would go to LA before going to Portland.
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I kind of wonder how well she'd do in a support role. The bullying potential is definitely there with Vital procs, she can safely body block for a lane mate and her ult could be a big deal in a tight 2v2 duel.
The problem becomes, 'What does Fiora do after laning ends?' Dedicated peel, maybe? Meh.
her new ult just seems thematically unfitting
i feel like if it had been an ult where it just puts all of her abilities on lower cooldown for a certain period of time it might actually approach that back and forth feeling you see in fencing
But Gou! Remember:
rofl
I like how Riot enjoys talking to people like they're idiots. All this talk about their 'tech debt' and how they want to improve the experience, and hence they cannot implement basic features, but will they buy more servers to improve the experience? Nope, just move the existing pieces of crap to Chicago.
Actually yeah, that would have worked. Make her hyper mobile. Make weak points instantly respawn after being hit. Maybe make Q hit everything in the line (flurry of hits to nail all weakspots in range?). And yeah, slash the cooldowns hard.
Honestly any fight with any real AoE and CC flying I just can't see her getting the ult proc off at all until yeah, cleanup. Or if she just slaps it on someone the assassin's diving into. RQ>assassin does the rest.
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Well, take with a grain of salt, but:
So, Fiora is really good anti-dive tech. Zed goes in, you just kill him with ult proc and all of his damage is undone. Monkey goes in, Riposte actually stops his spin cold without you getting knocked-up (that is, he still spins, but he's stunned in place). Leona Zenith blade? Haha no, body block with Riposte.
Maybe she's supposed to be the anti-assassin? I'm still dubious about how effective this is in practice, but it was satisfying to watch Zed's proc barely miss lethal because Trist was healing on top of my dumb regeneration sigil.
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you need a dedicated team to hold someone down so you can ult them, to get a ...heal? What the fuck?
If her true damage scaled with hitpoints she'd be good, but her new kit requires extended interaction at melee range, but she has a zero percent survival rate in extended engagements at melee range
Here's how I would have reworked blade waltz: When activating her ult, for the next X seconds her Lunge has no cooldown and 4 charges (doing a full auto attack but doing 40% damage on subsequent targets, as before) while still putting the 4 vitals on them
As it stands she's just a really bad Vayne
It's not that she can't do damage, but I don't really see a circumstance where Master Yi wouldn't be better
Which is silly when you consider there's a Seattle to Chicago direct link train. Like maybe someone could just leave a spool of cable on the end of the caboose some time?
Her True Damage does scale with HP though.
I'm torn on her kit. I feel like it was a totally unecessary rework that nobody wanted & nobody asked for, which is always a bad idea, but the end result may be okay.
I ping about 47
To bitch about Viktor make a thread because they're gutting him on the PBE
Which is hilarious because he isn't all that good [He is average in LCK/LPL, exceptionally weak in EU and LCS, and below average in soloqueue]
AP per level lowered to 1 from 3
Now grants 10 mana per level
The Hex Core Mk-1
AP per level lowered to 3 from 4
No longer gives 20 flat ability power
No longer gives 150 mana
Now gives +15 mana per level
The Hex Core mk-2
AP per level increased to 6 from 5
No longer gives 40 flat ability power
No longer gives 300 mana
Now gives +20 mana per level
Perfect Hex Core
AP per level increased to 10 from 6
No longer gives 60 flat ability power
No longer gives 500 mana
Now gives +25 mana per level
Total Stats at Perfect and level 18: 450 Mana 180 AP [vs 148 current]
At base you're weaker by 2 AP/level. At mk-1 you're weaker by 1 AP/level and 20 AP. At mk-2 you're weaker by 1 AP/level and 40 AP. With the Perfect Core you're weaker at any point before level 15, even at 15. Better at 16,17,18. [minus the mana of course]
Holy shit! Another Memphian and a lol player to boot.
What up bruh. I'm trying to get malco here to host a Worlds viewing party but the corporate lady is dense as heck. Might collaborate instead with the Rec Room, that I believe is kind of a new barcade on Broad.
Her true damage does scale with HP, but the % won't be very high unless you build all damage items
and if you do that, you'll die before you can get all 4 vitals against any team with decent CC
She's a decent duelist but my experiences tonight have been that coordinated teams just focus you, you got no windwall or yasuo dash+knockup, you got no intangible like yi, you don't have tankiness like a bruiser
And like I said Vayne can already do the % health thing, and she can turn invisible and has a knockback
Yes exactly, newFiora can do well, but the effort and skill required to reach parity with oldFiora is bizarre
you could just play Yi, who gets true damage, extra autos, intangible, resets, etc
I really like a lot of new fiora's kit, the ult I feel is what's holding it back, Fiora's ult should be a "oh shit" panic moment for squishies like when they see a Yi bolting in or a talon vanish. That or Fiora should just be readjusted to be a tankey bruiser, which she most certainly isn't
It does suck for those who were already close to the server though.
20. OH HELL YEAH.
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Wow what a small world. No, the person in charge of their corporate promos is named Karen. I've organized fighting game tourneys in and around Memphis multiple times, and usually I dont have a problem dealing with higher ups because I also work in management and hide my nerdiness under my late-30s corporate exterior. However Karen is somewhat difficult to explain to and doesn't seem to grasp how viewing parties work. I was going to rent out a theater out of my own pocket for Worlds and all they would have to do is stream the event, but she won't even confirm for me if streaming to a movie screen is an option. I think its just outside her experience and she doesn't want to deal with it, even though it's money in their pockets. Shortsighted, imo. So I'm looking into the Rec Room as an alternative.
45 is lot?!?!?!?!?
Check your lan privilege bro
@jaef spectated one of my games one and was like "jesus christ, why do you even play this game, this is terrible
I honestly think the Rec Room may be a better option anyway. Granted it'll have seating trouble if a bunch of people turn-up (I don't know how you'd reach out to others to let them know), but their Living Rooms are incredible.