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The Ryan Davis Memorial Giant Bomb Thread

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    Oh shit, pax wrestling. How many of those have I missed? Last I saw was the infamous fog machine one. (I was in the audience for that; it was ridiculous)

  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    Beltaine wrote: »
    "Nights of A-zoo-ray"

    Never change, Dan.

    When he pronounced it like that I assumed at first that the game pronounced it like that since that's pretty much how you'd pronounce the word azure if it were Japanese instead of French. Then Jason corrected him and I had a headslap moment.

    Opty on
  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    Huh, that's a short Giant Bomb panel. 1 hour, and Jeff has to be somewhere afterwards, so it's definitely an accurate end time.

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    SteevL wrote: »
    I didn't really mean to set off a discussion about ads. I was just surprised at how long it was before I finally switched over to the premium feed. Like I said, they can be fun on occasion, but the Bombcast/Beastcast is fun enough on its own for me. We'll see if I miss them, but I doubt I will.

    I've basically cut down my podcasts to Giant Bomb-related ones these days. Occasionally I'll listen to Retronauts, but that's about it for me. I unsubscribed from Neil deGrasse Tyson's StarTalk years ago, as well as a lot of the stuff that came out of the death of 1up.com like Geekbox and Rebel FM. They were all great for when I was commuting 50 miles a day and making a 600 mile trip every two weeks, but when all that ended it was time to cut stuff down. I still have a hard enough time keeping up with all of GB's stuff.
    @SteevL Yeah; I have about twenty shows a week in my podcast feed, used to be able to keep up, but now I'm lucky to be able to finish two a week. #FirstWorldProblems

  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited March 2016
    Beltaine wrote: »
    "Nights of A-zoo-ray"
    Never change, Dan.
    Only thing better is Jason fucking with him the entire episode.

    [edit] Oh god, that Into the Stars ending. <3

    Glal on
  • akajaybayakajaybay Registered User regular
    That Into the Stars Quick Look is so good.
    The ending on that thing, my chest hurts from trying not to laugh like a crazy person at my desk.

  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Jeff gave Quantum Break 2 out of 5

    Honestly a little surprised?

    I've never enjoyed a Remedy game to date but the GB guys generally seem to be down for their games

    I like their ambition and think the TV show idea is totally awesome, but I can't get over how bad the gunplay always feels

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    Jeff gave Quantum Break 2 out of 5

    Honestly a little surprised?

    I've never enjoyed a Remedy game to date but the GB guys generally seem to be down for their games

    I like their ambition and think the TV show idea is totally awesome, but I can't get over how bad the gunplay always feels

    This is why Jeff gave it 2 stars I'm sure. He's very concerned about mechanics and how a game feels.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited April 2016
    Alan Wake and Max Payne always had a lot of interesting and weird stuff, while Quantum Break seems to be played a lot more straight. Given you're going to sit through a LOT of TV stuff this time around, I can see how it being less interesting would wind up really bring down the games score; especially if the gameplay half still hasn't improved thier shooting.

    Undead Scottsman on
  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    It doesn't help that Dominic Monaghan's American accent is god-awful. And that the premise seems super dumb.

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  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    I mean i think it's more that it doesn't help that's just not a very good game as opposed to your opinion on an accent and premise.

    Man Max Payne was so good back in the day.

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  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    Yes, but I know the 2 things I said for sure and cannot play the game.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    I was under the impression, perhaps wrongly, that Giant Bomb is traditionally pretty harsh with their reviews--which a five point system lends itself to--allowing for some exceptions based on favorite series (I think that's inevitable, we're dealing with subjective quality reviews, not calculus).

    On the other hand, they gave The Witness a five out of five, which boggles my mind, so what the hell do I know?

  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    They score games based on how they feel about them.

    It's not really any more complicated than that.

  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    Also, it's not really a "they". Brad gave The Witness a 5/5. If somebody else had written the review the score may have been different.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    admanb wrote: »
    They score games based on how they feel about them.

    It's not really any more complicated than that.

    Excluding when they send up five weather balloons and see which one they shoot down first.

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    I was under the impression, perhaps wrongly, that Giant Bomb is traditionally pretty harsh with their reviews--which a five point system lends itself to--allowing for some exceptions based on favorite series (I think that's inevitable, we're dealing with subjective quality reviews, not calculus).

    Giant Bomb, having been formed by ex-Gamespot people, specifically chose to avoid the "REVIEW EVERYTHING EVER" mindset. They only do a few dozen reviews a year and typically they only review things that spark them to review it. By that I mean they usually only review things if they had particularly strong feelings about, or have conflicted views about and want to sort them out on paper.
    On the other hand, they gave The Witness a five out of five, which boggles my mind, so what the hell do I know?

    Witness is probably my game of the year, so far. Loved the shit out of it. I'd have given it a 5/5 too.

  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    jclast wrote: »
    Also, it's not really a "they". Brad gave The Witness a 5/5. If somebody else had written the review the score may have been different.

    i do not think that any member of giant bomb would have given the witness less than a 4/5, save those that simply would not have played it because they're not into puzzle games

    everyone who was looking to play it was very high on it, and even the most critical member Austin criticized the surroundings and trappings of the witness way more than the game content of it

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited April 2016
    Interesting. I feel like recently they've done a lot more reviews--or I've just heard of them doing it, since I'm a Beastcast rather than Bombcast guy. Very unscientific on my part.
    Witness is probably my game of the year, so far. Loved the shit out of it. I'd have given it a 5/5 too.

    Nothing wrong with being in good company. I absolutely would not have given it that score, even though I have no trouble conceding it's a darn good game.

    That's actually a reason I don't like the 5-point system personally: I can't shake the feeling personally that 5 out of 5-point games ought to be very rare (and hit a certain point that The Witness didn't for me, not even close, while still being a good game).

    It's works for them though. They certainly have reviews I agree with: I thought their Titanfall score was spot-on (I definitely wouldn't have given that a 5 out of 5 either).

    Synthesis on
  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    A Giant Bomb's 5/5 means more "This is an amazing game you should play" than "This is a perfect game." even though it's scored all possible points

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  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Interesting. I feel like recently they've done a lot more reviews--or I've just heard of them doing it, since I'm a Beastcast rather than Bombcast guy. Very unscientific on my part.

    I think they have more writing staff then they've had in a long time.

  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    Also Alex is sort of their reviews workhorse, or at least has been in the past.

    But yes, having basically two full staffs surely helps.

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  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    jclast wrote: »
    Also, it's not really a "they". Brad gave The Witness a 5/5. If somebody else had written the review the score may have been different.

    i do not think that any member of giant bomb would have given the witness less than a 4/5, save those that simply would not have played it because they're not into puzzle games

    everyone who was looking to play it was very high on it, and even the most critical member Austin criticized the surroundings and trappings of the witness way more than the game content of it

    Yes, I just meant that personality and taste of the reviewer are going to impact the review given. There is no site standard or scoring rubric, nor should there be. For example, assuming they reviewed it, I think that Brad's DotA 2 review would vary wildly from Dan's or Jeff's. And that's a good thing.

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited April 2016
    A Giant Bomb's 5/5 means more "This is an amazing game you should play" than "This is a perfect game." even though it's scored all possible points
    "This is a perfect game" would make that score pretty worthless since, for all intents and purposes, it's then a 4-star ranking system. "Must play if you dig these kind of games" is a much better use of that star.

    Glal on
  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    Glal wrote: »
    A Giant Bomb's 5/5 means more "This is an amazing game you should play" than "This is a perfect game." even though it's scored all possible points
    "This is a perfect game" would make that score pretty worthless since, for all intents and purposes, it's then a 4-star ranking system. "Must play if you dig these kind of games" is a much better use of that star.

    There was some review site from back when that obstinately had a 10-point rating scale, but was made it a proud point to say they'd never give out a 10 because that means it's a perfect game which cannot exist. Well, now your 10-point scale is actually a 9-point scale, which doesn't change anything other than making yourself self-satisfied and seem meaningful than impart any actual usefulness to your metric.

  • CenoCeno pizza time Registered User regular
    Or better yet, just stop putting a score on them.

    Since GB is personality-based, have little staff-specific icons that you can attach to game pages. "Jeff Recommends!" "Brad does not recommend!"

    That should tell you everything you need to know about a game given the site's personalities and what you think of their personal opinion

    If a game gets the recommendation of the entire staff, it gets a unique gold icon

  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Metacritic needs scores

  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    You can already do that by looking at the byline of who wrote the review.

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  • Lavender GoomsLavender Gooms Tiny Bat Registered User regular
    The star system feels like the best of a necessary evil. Yeah scores are dumb and you should just read the review with a knowledge of what the person writing it likes and dislikes, but a lot of people don't care to get deep into it. Plus yeah, aggregator sites like Metacritic need review scores and for good or ill people use those sites.

    It aligns well with awful/bad/fine/good/great, so it works fine. It also makes it easier to realize that one 4 star game isn't necessarily of the same quality as another 4 star game, whereas a 10 point scale or a 100 point scale gives enough granularity to make that (dumb) comparison. It's "we think this is a good game", rather than "this is what this game is objectively ranked on a defined scale".

    For objective rankings you need to go... elsewhere.

  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Aistan wrote: »
    For objective rankings you need to go... elsewhere.

    Like... into a different plane of existence.

  • CenoCeno pizza time Registered User regular
    An objective "review" is pretty much a bug report, and to be honest, it's kind of what I look for these days.

    Does the game work? If so, I can go look at a stream of gameplay at virtually any time to see if it's something I'd be more interested in (if I haven't already decided I want to play it). If no, let me know when it works so I can do the things I mentioned earlier.

    But I don't go to GB for reviews (or really anywhere else for that matter). I go for Beastcoast shenanigans these days and the GOTY deliberations.

  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    There's a reason GB quick looks at least four times as many games as they review.

  • Lavender GoomsLavender Gooms Tiny Bat Registered User regular
    admanb wrote: »
    Aistan wrote: »
    For objective rankings you need to go... elsewhere.

    Like... into a different plane of existence.

    That's one way to describe the SE++ Podcast thread, yes.

  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    Huh. So 42 minutes into last night's UPF recording Drew seems to make a comment that either didn't get picked up by his mic or was muted for the archive (Will reacts to it, so it was audible to them). Was it audible on the actual stream?

  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I think that having some kind of at a glance number or indicator is important to a review. And not because of Metacritic, although that is a reasonably useful tool for getting a gauge of general opinion I think paying too close attention to it is dumb.

    That said, I think the more points of granularity on the scale, the worse it is for the most part, GB's five point scale is probably the absolute most variation you need, and ten point scales are virtually always utilized badly. I'd argue you could probably go down to a three point scale although at that point you lose some minor differentiation between a good and great game, or a truly bad game and one that is just sub-par.

    Was kind of sad to see Easy Allies throw a half star out in their first review, speaking of which.

  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    Metacritic needs scores
    ya but they don't give a shit about metacritic. Devs AND metacritic have complained to them that they need half stars (ie a 10 point scale) because their review system fucks up the averages but they don't care.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    I'll try to look for it but I think Jeff has explained that the 5 star system also helps them to really think about that jump from 3 to 4.

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  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    Glal wrote: »
    Huh. So 42 minutes into last night's UPF recording Drew seems to make a comment that either didn't get picked up by his mic or was muted for the archive (Will reacts to it, so it was audible to them). Was it audible on the actual stream?

    Huh, I noticed that too. I thought maybe they changed their setup and something went wrong, but it was an isolated incident and they only claimed to fix the lighting rig.

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  • Lavender GoomsLavender Gooms Tiny Bat Registered User regular
    Oh my god Will's Factory is a living nightmare.

  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    According to people over at R/GiantBomb, Drew said "Brad. Stop defeating."

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