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Ordering a new computer in a couple days

RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
edited April 2007 in Games and Technology
Alright, I'm finally reaching the goal line. After months of wanting, reading, and wishing, I think I'm ready. I think this will work well, but I'm going to throw it on here for final comments...

APEVIA X-ALIEN-BK/500 Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case ATX 500W(89.99)

Seagate Barracuda 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s(67.99)

ABIT KN9 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX(62.99 after promo code)

SAPPHIRE X1950PRO 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP(154.99, 134.99 after $20 rebate)

SONY Black IDE DVD-ROM(17.99)

WINTEC AMPO 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300)(89.99)

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+(65W) Windsor 2.4GHz Socket AM2(119.99)

Shipping: $26.83

Tax: $43.78

Total: $674.54

Total w/ Rebate: 654.54


Alright, there she is. A few comments.

1. I will probably just barely be able to afford $675 dollars as it is. If you want me to get a more expensive part for something else, realize I will have to probably cut down elsewhere.

2. Its cheapo ram... but its been getting good reviews. Its got lifetime limited warranty, so I should be alright with this, right?

3. I would spend more on a case/power supply, but I'm cutting it really close as it is. This has good reviews, and people have been running higher powered stuff on it without problems.

4. 4600+ has been doing better in benchmarks than the E6300(both stock), for 63 dollars less. I don't think the C2D price cut will be enough to make this a bad deal. Besides, I like AMD.

5. This will be a gaming computer, with some 3dsmax/photoshop on the side. Windows XP home will be the operating system, until I feel Vista is good enough.

6. If you want to recommend other things, just keep #1 in mind. I want this computer yesterday. It will be hard to come up with more money.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Bump? I get paid today, so I'm looking to order real soon...

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Personally, I'd go with Corsair Value Select instead of that RAM, but it's probably not a big deal.

    Other than that, it looks like an excellent computer for your price range.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Personally, I'd go with Corsair Value Select instead of that RAM, but it's probably not a big deal.

    Other than that, it looks like an excellent computer for your price range.

    Aye, I'd rather get corsair or even kingston, but good reviews + low low price = happy feet.

    Also, crap. The ten dollar promo code wont work for the motherboard now. I hope my paycheck is bigger than I thought :/

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  • mausmalonemausmalone Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Raslin wrote: »
    Bump? I get paid today, so I'm looking to order real soon...

    I would only suggest that if you're going with Vista, see if you can get some more RAM. Apparently it really shines if you have 4GB because it starts to cache a lot of stuff you commonly use.

    If you can't afford it, or if you're going with XP, then 2GB would work just fine. All in all, it sounds like a damned fine system you've spec'd out there.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    mausmalone wrote: »
    Raslin wrote: »
    Bump? I get paid today, so I'm looking to order real soon...

    I would only suggest that if you're going with Vista, see if you can get some more RAM. Apparently it really shines if you have 4GB because it starts to cache a lot of stuff you commonly use.

    If you can't afford it, or if you're going with XP, then 2GB would work just fine. All in all, it sounds like a damned fine system you've spec'd out there.

    I don't think 32-bit Vista can address more than 3 gigs.

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  • RehabRehab Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Looks like a good total for everything you're getting.

    That DVD-ROM is really cheap.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Rehab wrote: »
    Looks like a good total for everything you're getting.

    That DVD-ROM is really cheap.

    Aye, but like half of the DVD-ROM's were $17-20.

    Also, guys, what do you think of this case?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811147001

    Seems to have good reviews, few complaints about the PSU, and people running systems equal or more taxing than mine on it...

    Edit: I need 282.72 dollars more to buy this computer. I think I'm getting paid 282 dollars today. Christ, I hope I did my math right... I want this computer :P

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Wait, that's a DVD-ROM? Dude, spend the extra ten dollars and get a burner; you'll thank me later.

    EDIT: Rosewill has pretty good budget cases, in my experience. They're not super-sturdy, though (super-sturdy defined as "capable of surviving UPS delivery").

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Wait, that's a DVD-ROM? Dude, spend the extra ten dollars and get a burner; you'll thank me later.

    EDIT: Rosewill has pretty good budget cases, in my experience. They're not super-sturdy, though (super-sturdy defined as "capable of surviving UPS delivery").

    A. I don't have 10 extra dollars

    B. I have three computers with DVD Burners in my house already. I just need something to use for running disks :P

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Raslin wrote: »
    Wait, that's a DVD-ROM? Dude, spend the extra ten dollars and get a burner; you'll thank me later.

    EDIT: Rosewill has pretty good budget cases, in my experience. They're not super-sturdy, though (super-sturdy defined as "capable of surviving UPS delivery").

    A. I don't have 10 extra dollars

    B. I have three computers with DVD Burners in my house already. I just need something to use for running disks :P

    In that case, don't get the drive at all, just yank one from one of those other computers. Really, half the point of building your own computer is cannabalizing old computers for parts.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Raslin wrote: »
    Wait, that's a DVD-ROM? Dude, spend the extra ten dollars and get a burner; you'll thank me later.

    EDIT: Rosewill has pretty good budget cases, in my experience. They're not super-sturdy, though (super-sturdy defined as "capable of surviving UPS delivery").

    A. I don't have 10 extra dollars

    B. I have three computers with DVD Burners in my house already. I just need something to use for running disks :P

    In that case, don't get the drive at all, just yank one from one of those other computers. Really, half the point of building your own computer is cannabalizing old computers for parts.

    One is in the computer I'm on right now(My dads), one is on my laptop, and one is on my brother's laptop. The only things I can take is an LCD from a really old computer(LCD was the last thing bought for it), keyboard, mouse, and speakers.

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  • mausmalonemausmalone Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    mausmalone wrote: »
    Raslin wrote: »
    Bump? I get paid today, so I'm looking to order real soon...

    I would only suggest that if you're going with Vista, see if you can get some more RAM. Apparently it really shines if you have 4GB because it starts to cache a lot of stuff you commonly use.

    If you can't afford it, or if you're going with XP, then 2GB would work just fine. All in all, it sounds like a damned fine system you've spec'd out there.

    I don't think 32-bit Vista can address more than 3 gigs.

    He's got an Athlon x64 in that system. So while it was a remote possibility, it was still a possibility. (Also, no I wouldn't recommend running Vista x64.)

    I've got to agree with The Warlock here... get the DVD-ROM and then screw over one of the other computers so that you can have a burner. :P

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  • TalonrazorTalonrazor Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    This is a really good machine for a really good price. I just spent $1600 (plus $100 for shipping to AK) on new computer + monitor + fancy keyboard and your machine can probably run most new games for a $1000 less so it's a good deal.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Looks good Raslin. That is a whole lot of bang for the buck. I'd only say that going C2D over AMD is a clear cut decision if you are planing to OC.

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  • bbmartinibbmartini Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    i had a cheap case bundled with that brand of power supply, very very poor PS, i would suggest going with a case with no ps and getting an Antec. That case seems fine however, it looks like a re branded chieftec which is pretty nice, a little on the heavy side though.

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  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    or its a very strict budget build

    i dont like sony brand opticals.. if there was another brand like LG you could get for the same price id do it

    I might get this case over that one

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129015

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Alright guys, I got my check. Had ten dollars more than I needed, so I could spend an extra ten dollars on anything essential.

    But really, thats all the money I have. So while I'd love to get a better case and PSU, etc, I have a 10 dollar budget to upgrade :P

    My money should appear in my account when I wake up tomorrow, so I shall be ordering soon... woot!

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Under A Rock: AfganistanRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    anyone have any recommendations for a 15 inch or so laptop?

    i need high quality for digital modeling but i need absolutely zip in the entertainment department.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Hijacking this thread so I don't have to make another one.
    My PC's mobo may be fried beyond all hope. As such, I'm thinking of salvaging what I have and attempting to start anew. Salvageable, I can take the video card, harddrive, DVD drive, sound card, TV tuner, and the processor fan. Everything else, I'd need to replace. Which would be case, motherboard, processor, RAM.

    Lets say I have under 500 to do that. Actually, my case might be good, but my power supply is a 350W, and I've never installed a power supply before, though I suppose it can't be THAT hard. Anyone got specs for the cheapest compatible Intel dual core, 1 to 2 gigs of ram, and a mobo with at least 3 PCI slots?

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    OOps, i'm dumb. Just need 2 PCI slots, sound card and TV tuner.

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  • EnvyEnvy Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Get a Sonata II case instead from NewEgg, and then you'd be set.

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    or you could shut it up.
  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Hijacking this thread so I don't have to make another one.
    My PC's mobo may be fried beyond all hope. As such, I'm thinking of salvaging what I have and attempting to start anew. Salvageable, I can take the video card, harddrive, DVD drive, sound card, TV tuner, and the processor fan. Everything else, I'd need to replace. Which would be case, motherboard, processor, RAM.

    Lets say I have under 500 to do that. Actually, my case might be good, but my power supply is a 350W, and I've never installed a power supply before, though I suppose it can't be THAT hard. Anyone got specs for the cheapest compatible Intel dual core, 1 to 2 gigs of ram, and a mobo with at least 3 PCI slots?


    Depends on how low you want to go, and what your keeping. Is your graphics card a agp or pci-e?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145167 115$ for 2gb of decent memory

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131030 126$ for a decent motherboard.

    Which leaves you 250 to find a decent core2duo chip. Price drop is coming soon, so that might be your luck. You could also get an E4300 or this E6320 for 195$

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115015

    ~436$ So, that should get you to where you want to be.

    I hope that helps.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    PCI-E be the video card.

    Can I safely use a 350W power supply with that new mobo? My old stuff worked fine with it.


    edit: and the customer reviews on that mobo scare me.

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  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    PCI-E be the video card.

    Can I safely use a 350W power supply with that new mobo? My old stuff worked fine with it.


    edit: and the customer reviews on that mobo scare me.


    Depends on your videocard. You might need a 400watt to get it going. I'm using the exact same motherboard listed there. Its just fine.

    This is another option

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131142

    It might be worth getting another power supply. *shrug* good luck with that though.

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  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    For around 120-140$ you could get an intel board. They have a bit better Quality but are far less OC friendly.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    OCing is nothing to me. What's this I hear about this 6420? Should I grab that? That RAM linked looks good, but man, I hate mobos.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Well shit

    I am spending $154.99 on my X1950 pro, with $5.64 shipping. I can grab a 8600GT for $169.99 with free shipping, so effectively ten dollars more.

    I've heard bad stuff about the 8600GT though, and I'd probably have to bump my processor down a notch to afford this. Would it be better to get like an X2 4400+ and an 8600GT, or stay with what I have, and try to pick up a cheap 8800 later down the line, when DX10 starts becoming important?

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Raslin wrote: »
    Well shit

    I am spending $154.99 on my X1950 pro, with $5.64 shipping. I can grab a 8600GT for $169.99 with free shipping, so effectively ten dollars more.

    I've heard bad stuff about the 8600GT though, and I'd probably have to bump my processor down a notch to afford this. Would it be better to get like an X2 4400+ and an 8600GT, or stay with what I have, and try to pick up a cheap 8800 later down the line, when DX10 starts becoming important?
    The x1950 Pro wipes its ass with the 8600GT. But you might not want to go Sapphire because the card has some heat issues that are even mentioned in the Newegg reviews.

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  • SarathaiSarathai Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Raslin, I would advise picking up a different case without a power supply, and buying a PSU seperately. Power supplies included in cases tend to be pretty bad, APEVIA especially (Used to be they didn't even pretend to follow specs. They've improved, but are still a brand to avoid). Hell, you might even be able to save some cash that way and get a burner instead of a reader.

    Based on a quick look on Newegg, I'd reccomend this case:
    Athenatech A416BS.400 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

    I've not heard anything bad about Athenatech's PSUs, and they're not on the [H]ard forums list of PSUs to avoid, but the brand name of the PS is obscured in newegg's pics. Not a good sign. Take it out of the case when you first get it. If it has some heft to it and is an Athenatech PS, give it a try. Otherwise, pick up this PSU:
    FSP Group (Fortron Source) AX400-PN

    Even if you need to order the FSP power supply, it should cost about the same as the case you picked. And despite the lower wattage rating, it'll at least power your system as well as the APEVIA would have. They both claim the same ratings on the 12v rails, and that's where recent computers draw almost all of thier power from. (Not that I trust APEVIA's claims, mind you.)

    On a side note, if you'd like to see what happens when the kind of power supply typically included in a case is put under stress, check this out.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I just ordered it. I'm excited, scared, and a little horny. Sleepy too.

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  • uzurpatoruzurpator Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Well - If I were you I'd cut on CPU and Mobo and use 8800 GTS 320MB VGA. Much better gaming performance and most games are GPU bound, not CPU.

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    uzurpator wrote: »
    Well - If I were you I'd cut on CPU and Mobo and use 8800 GTS 320MB VGA. Much better gaming performance and most games are GPU bound, not CPU.
    The 8800GTS would be pretty CPU bound by anything worse than a an x2 4400+. You would be paying more money for performance gains you would never see unless you played at 1680x1050.

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  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    OCing is nothing to me. What's this I hear about this 6420? Should I grab that? That RAM linked looks good, but man, I hate mobos.

    I don't remeber the specific advantages or if its a better OC'er then the 6400 or what, but it might be worth getting if you can afford it. Ya I hear you on the motherboard issue. I couldn't find a single motherboard to really get behind. Asus really makes it easy to put together a computer (besides the cpu install, but thats intels fault, not asus)

    Meh, Nothings good it seems :( Even asus's commando. Its really too bad with motherboards these days. They all seem to have deficiencies in one area or another even on the top end boards.

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  • uzurpatoruzurpator Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    uzurpator wrote: »
    Well - If I were you I'd cut on CPU and Mobo and use 8800 GTS 320MB VGA. Much better gaming performance and most games are GPU bound, not CPU.
    The 8800GTS would be pretty CPU bound by anything worse than a an x2 4400+. You would be paying more money for performance gains you would never see unless you played at 1680x1050.

    O rly? 600 or so of MHZ on cpu does not make much difference in gaming. Most of the job is done on the GPU anyways. 3Dmark06 may show stellar bonus in games, but really if you reserach the actual game performance - you'll see that the differencese are closer to 10-20% between top and bottom performing CPUs.

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  • Sunday_AssassinSunday_Assassin Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Mind if I sidetrack?

    Anyone know what I could put into the floppy-bay now that I've ripped the thing out of my PC? There's a big hole in the front of it now and, while I'm sure that's good for the ventilation, it's not doing its looks any favours.

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    uzurpator wrote: »
    FreddyD wrote: »
    uzurpator wrote: »
    Well - If I were you I'd cut on CPU and Mobo and use 8800 GTS 320MB VGA. Much better gaming performance and most games are GPU bound, not CPU.
    The 8800GTS would be pretty CPU bound by anything worse than a an x2 4400+. You would be paying more money for performance gains you would never see unless you played at 1680x1050.

    O rly? 600 or so of MHZ on cpu does not make much difference in gaming. Most of the job is done on the GPU anyways. 3Dmark06 may show stellar bonus in games, but really if you reserach the actual game performance - you'll see that the differencese are closer to 10-20% between top and bottom performing CPUs.

    There's a pretty good article about this here, from firingsquad.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128042
    was recommended to me. Anyone have any reasons why I should abstain?

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    uzurpator wrote: »
    Well - If I were you I'd cut on CPU and Mobo and use 8800 GTS 320MB VGA. Much better gaming performance and most games are GPU bound, not CPU.

    ...an 8800GTS would cost me at least 100 dollars more. I'd have to get like an Athlon 64 3000+ and 1 gig of ram to afford the cost difference, I can't really cut back on the mobo. I think I'll be fine with my setup. Besides, the video card will be one of the first things I'll upgrade, when DX10 games start coming out. I'll grab an 8800 or mid-end X2--- when I need it.

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128042
    was recommended to me. Anyone have any reasons why I should abstain?
    No, the new BIOS fixed all the funky memory compatibility problems and it is a pretty decent overclocker as well.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Excellent. Now to wait for that intel price drop. Oh, this RAM be good in that mobo? Any faster is ridiculously expensive it looks like. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146526

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