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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    Also a problem with holding up enemies is if they decide to take a swipe at you, what do you do? You can't cqc counter. If you back away they go on alert after the swipe. You can't dive into them or otherwise do anything to them prior to the swipe.
    Does moving around in front of them while they are putting down their weapon stop them from doing this? If not, every hold up is a risk to your no traces run.

    edit: No Traces requires No CQC. You can't fix this problem with CQC, ie you can't slam them if the interrogation options don't show up, they don't turn blue, they drop their hands, or any other telltale like that, because this will also instantly cancel No Traces. It's a problem unique to playthroughs gunning for the secret "No Traces" bonus.

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    No Great NameNo Great Name FRAUD DETECTED Registered User regular
    Also a problem with holding up enemies is if they decide to take a swipe at you, what do you do? You can't cqc counter. If you back away they go on alert after the swipe. You can't dive into them or otherwise do anything to them prior to the swipe.
    Does moving around in front of them while they are putting down their weapon stop them from doing this? If not, every hold up is a risk to your no traces run.

    If they don't immediately turn blue then they're going to come at you, just cqc them right when you see they're still red. On Extreme/Total Steal/Subsistence they do this 99% of the time.

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    Also a problem with holding up enemies is if they decide to take a swipe at you, what do you do? You can't cqc counter. If you back away they go on alert after the swipe. You can't dive into them or otherwise do anything to them prior to the swipe.
    Does moving around in front of them while they are putting down their weapon stop them from doing this? If not, every hold up is a risk to your no traces run.

    If they don't immediately turn blue then they're going to come at you, just cqc them right when you see they're still red. On Extreme/Total Steal/Subsistence they do this 99% of the time.

    CQC breaks no traces.

    No traces requires

    No kills
    No alert status (suspicions are fine)
    No reflex
    Do not press the trigger with any weapon. Aiming is fine, cannot fire.
    No CQC
    No kicking
    No attacks while controlling a vehicle or walker gear
    No Buddy attacks
    No supply drop
    Never reappear if you use a cardboard box
    No score/rank restricting items/techniques.

    There's a reason speed and I are doing this as the challenge run.

    Dis shit is hard. All the sneaky tricks and shit you can use for perfect stealth and easy S ranks, you can't for no traces. You gotta know the mission inside and out.

    You can restart from checkpoint. I restarted the first real mission from checkpoint a few times and still got it. Although, you know, people will know. :)

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    THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    Also a problem with holding up enemies is if they decide to take a swipe at you, what do you do? You can't cqc counter. If you back away they go on alert after the swipe. You can't dive into them or otherwise do anything to them prior to the swipe.
    Does moving around in front of them while they are putting down their weapon stop them from doing this? If not, every hold up is a risk to your no traces run.

    If you hold someone up, immediately try to interrogate them and the options don't appear, slam they ass

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    Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
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    BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    It seems people are having trouble with the "No Traces" part of Morninglord's and Speed's insane quest.

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    SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    I did do beat this game

    I have 87 hours in it (though probably 30 of that was re-done to get gun customization)

    I wish it was longer

    My friend is working on a roguelike game you can play if you want to. (It has free demo)
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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    Baidol wrote: »
    It seems people are having trouble with the "No Traces" part of Morninglord's and Speed's insane quest.

    I think its possibly getting confused with "Perfect Stealth, No Kills".

    "No Traces" doesn't show up in the score screen unless you successfully complete the conditions for it.

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    No Great NameNo Great Name FRAUD DETECTED Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    Also a problem with holding up enemies is if they decide to take a swipe at you, what do you do? You can't cqc counter. If you back away they go on alert after the swipe. You can't dive into them or otherwise do anything to them prior to the swipe.
    Does moving around in front of them while they are putting down their weapon stop them from doing this? If not, every hold up is a risk to your no traces run.

    If they don't immediately turn blue then they're going to come at you, just cqc them right when you see they're still red. On Extreme/Total Steal/Subsistence they do this 99% of the time.

    CQC breaks no traces.

    No traces requires

    No kills
    No alert status (suspicions are fine)
    No reflex
    Do not press the trigger with any weapon. Aiming is fine, cannot fire.
    No CQC
    No kicking
    No attacks while controlling a vehicle or walker gear
    No Buddy attacks
    No supply drop
    Never reappear if you use a cardboard box
    No score/rank restricting items/techniques.

    There's a reason speed and I are doing this as the challenge run.

    Dis shit is hard. All the sneaky tricks and shit you can use for perfect stealth and easy S ranks, you can't for no traces. You gotta know the mission inside and out.

    You can restart from checkpoint. I restarted the first real mission from checkpoint a few times and still got it. Although, you know, people will know. :)
    Sometimes I can read

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    gtrmpgtrmp Registered User regular
    THESPOOKY wrote: »
    Also a problem with holding up enemies is if they decide to take a swipe at you, what do you do? You can't cqc counter. If you back away they go on alert after the swipe. You can't dive into them or otherwise do anything to them prior to the swipe.
    Does moving around in front of them while they are putting down their weapon stop them from doing this? If not, every hold up is a risk to your no traces run.

    If you hold someone up, immediately try to interrogate them and the options don't appear, slam they ass

    or push into them enough to jostle them and then immediately hold them up again, since that resets the RNG for whether or not the holdup actually works

    but that only works if they try to fake you out with the counter; you don't have any way of responding stealthily and nonviolently if they immediately attack, which makes using holdups tricky if you're going for the no traces bonus

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    I don't think you can jostle them and get no traces.

    edit: I just tested it and you can't.

    Basically.

    You can't touch anyone. The only physical interaction you can do is fulton them.

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Finally time to shelve the old logo and make some new hotness

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    MC Hammer would be good at No Traces.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo

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    SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    This is the first open world game I've ever beat.

    which makes sense because it isn't really an open world game.

    My friend is working on a roguelike game you can play if you want to. (It has free demo)
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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    it is an open world game it's just not a ubisoft

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    SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    Yeah but I also never finish your skyrims or fallouts or GTAs either

    My friend is working on a roguelike game you can play if you want to. (It has free demo)
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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    The ubisoft games aren't bad if you turn off the most annoying parts of the UI.
    I can't get into bethesda games either.
    Loved new vegas tho.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    mgsv actually does remind me of far cry 1/2 and crysis 1

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    LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    mgsv actually does remind me of far cry 1/2 and crysis 1

    I definitely reminded me of a lot of what people said about far cry 2, which is all the "oh god everything has gone wrong I need to us whatever tools I've got to survive"

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    no loot for stamina kills on bosses?!?!?

    you call this a fucking metal gear

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    Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of Kafiristan Registered User regular
    Two things:

    Missions 45 and it's aftermath is TOTAL AND UTTER BULLSHIT. . . Except for that little bit looking for footprints. That was good.

    And, two, let's get real here, folks: Has the cardboard box ever worked for anybody ever during the entire history of Metal Gear Solid? Because I've been playing this thing since 1999 and it works about as well as it would work in real life.

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    Two things:

    Missions 45 and it's aftermath is TOTAL AND UTTER BULLSHIT. . . Except for that little bit looking for footprints. That was good.

    And, two, let's get real here, folks: Has the cardboard box ever worked for anybody ever during the entire history of Metal Gear Solid? Because I've been playing this thing since 1999 and it works about as well as it would work in real life.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9aH3aDkSTY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-HKU1EiVEI

    Seriously though, the point of the box is when someone is about to round the corner way too close and you get in the box. It's not for actual walking around in peoples line of sight.
    What you do is use it to advance when they aren't looking, then when they turn around and could see you, there's just this box there. They don't investigate it unless it's moved in their line of sight.

    You can also use it to bring people over to CQC them.

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    I'd say I've used it successfully multiple times, but I think I count as one of those.

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    el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    The cardboard box makes for excellent bait/disabling of guards if you put the right sticker on it and go to town. I will not have anyone talk mess about the box

    If I could, I would leave a box on people's FOBs, just so they know what fucked up their mans.

    e: I like the idea of the no traces run. Do you guys have gear/rank restrictions? Are there missions where no traces is impossible? (There are a few that come to mind where I'd assume so)

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    Yeah. Any mission where you have to blow up stuff, anything with choppers (although apparently fultoning containers can take out choppers), missions where the objective is boss fights.

    http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/718564-metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain/72508312

    This guy made a nice list.
    So that's Prologue(?), 4, 11, 13, 23(?), 29, 31(?) and any replays of the same. Unless someone can think of ways to get No Traces without breaking the rules on those missions.

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    el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    Cool, I'm in. Are you doing no traces, all side objectives?

    e: do magazines count against no traces?

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    If nothing else, the boxes are handy for fast travel and stopping patrolling vehicles.

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Cool, I'm in. Are you doing no traces, all side objectives?

    e: do magazines count against no traces?

    Yep.

    No touchy, nothing that shows any indication you were there.

    It's basically "Ghost" in Thief.

    The rules are, I think, minimum deployment cost (down to 540), fast as possible and no traces.
    Getting both maximum Speed and No traces are the key.

    If this is reallllllly easy, we might go for objectives. I will anyway.

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    el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    My favorite thing about the FOBs is that I've been trading blows back and forth with another player over the last few days.
    What pains me most: at one point, they had a nuke, and I got caught/shot to death basically two steps away from it

    so
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    el_vicio wrote: »
    Cool, I'm in. Are you doing no traces, all side objectives?

    e: do magazines count against no traces?

    Yep.

    No touchy, nothing that shows any indication you were there.

    It's basically "Ghost" in Thief.

    The rules are, I think, minimum deployment cost (down to 540), fast as possible and no traces.
    Getting both maximum Speed and No traces are the key.

    If this is reallllllly easy, we might go for objectives. I will anyway.

    So no night vision either? Hm!

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    el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    Okay, first solid attempt at mission one - unfortunately I had to retry once, but I should be able to do it without any. Nice challenge so far
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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    I'm not sure I get this FOB thing
    Can someone explain it?

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    upgrading your fob gives you room for more men and lets you harvest resources faster


    when a fob is invaded, the fob owner can steal all of the resources stored on the platform they're invading, and if they make it to the platform core, they get a handful of soldiers assigned to that platform. level up your security team and research security devices to make it harder to get invaded

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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Can you deliberately support specific FOB's? I want to help guard people's lucre

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    You can't

    Presumably if you could friends would just let each other grind victory points

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    VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    upgrading your fob gives you room for more men and lets you harvest resources faster


    when a fob is invaded, the fob owner can steal all of the resources stored on the platform they're invading, and if they make it to the platform core, they get a handful of soldiers assigned to that platform. level up your security team and research security devices to make it harder to get invaded

    Hmm
    Neat

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