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7 dead in a community college shooting in Oregon

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    NarbusNarbus Registered User regular
    Xehalus wrote: »
    can we please focus on and help the mentally ill

    this is getting fucking stupid

    The idea that mental illness, not easy access to guns, is what's driving the number of shooting sprees this country experiences is pretty fucked up.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Also let's not trot out the old "mass shooter = mental illness" strawman/trope, please. It's rarely applicable and often used as a smoke screen for the real issue: guns.

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    LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    How are people not terrified constantly of being anywhere?

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    How are people not terrified constantly of being anywhere?

    Who says we're not?

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    balerbowerbalerbower Registered User regular
    obviously the issue is not mental illness or guns

    but angry young (white) men

    ban all angry young (white) men

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    How are people not terrified constantly of being anywhere?

    They kind of are. Movie theater attendance is still down in the wake of the Aurora, Colorado shooting in 2012

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    I was talking with my grandmother and she said that to her anyone who is willing to kill another person has something a wrong with them, and yeah it's kind of hard to disagree with that. I couldn't kill another person. but not everyone is me, and I mentioned the california shooter guy who was just an entitled "nice guy" with a massive chip on his shoulder who got really pissed off.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    How are people not terrified constantly of being anywhere?

    An irrational belief that they are in control of it all and that everything will turn out alright. The evolutionary computer that is our brains has programmed itself pretty well in that regard.

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    SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    Narbus wrote: »
    Xehalus wrote: »
    can we please focus on and help the mentally ill

    this is getting fucking stupid

    The idea that mental illness, not easy access to guns, is what's driving the number of shooting sprees this country experiences is pretty fucked up.

    Yeah the one thing 100% of shootings have in common is that they involve guns being used to shoot people, so maybe limiting access to guns *might* reduce the number of shootings? But that's probably a weirdo European view.

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    BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    crossposting something from d&d:
    Eddy wrote: »
    TTODewback wrote: »
    So the shooter in Oregon posted about it last night on 4chan and users urged him on to do it.

    I've been following this story down the rabbit hole

    4chan is such a cesspool that I would call it an unintentional terrorist training cell

    here's a snapshot of the thread: https://i.imgur.com/oUzhCuJ.png and a fuller mirror: https://i.imgur.com/F90JrJW.jpg
    (more accurately, some users urged him on and some told him to fuck off and mentioned the fbi tips link)

    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I'm so god damned tired of reading about these events.

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    How are people not terrified constantly of being anywhere?

    got my 6 shooter here

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    LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    If you're all living in fear then its messed up the government don't care then.

    I just don't understand this.

    (I know their political reasons, I just don't see how that overrides the moral responsibility to the people.)

    Liiya on
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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    There's this obsession with what i like to call extreme liberty in the us that I find doesn't exist in many other countries. It's not just with guns, but there's a sense that everyone is on their own, and everyone is to blame for their own fortunes 100% and that the cost of being extremely fucking free, is fear. It's like a perversion of the idea that true freedom is some sort of authority-free zone, and that any authority which makes things safer is necessarily evil. I feel like it's behind attitudes to socialised healthcare and a lot of other things, and maybe has its origins in anti-communist rhetoric?

    I'm just kind of going off my impressions here as a foreigner and I could be wrong. When I first lived in San Francisco after living in Sydney my whole life, I was amazed at some of the attitudes towards authority in general, and the concept of "freedom", and this is in a liberal city. One time there was a loud bang, everyone ducked, and stayed ducked. I didn't cos I thought it was a car back firing. The fact that it could be a gunshot just didn't even occur to me as someone who grew up in Sydney

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    How are people not terrified constantly of being anywhere?

    the odds of any one person being involved in a mass shooting is infinitesimal

    Much much lower than car accidents, etc etc

    that isn't to say that its not a problem, its a huge fucking problem

    but living in fear of it would mean ignoring a bunch of much more likely things that could happen to you to focus on it

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Like, I'm at the point where I see a headline that people have been shot and all I can do is throw my hands on the air and say "of course!"

    Then feel my heart sink lower and lower each time until I have no faith left in humanity.

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    If you're all living in fear then its messed up the government don't care then.

    I just don't understand this.

    (I know their political reasons, I just don't see how that overrides the moral responsibility of the people.)

    I say this without an ounce of cynicism.

    I honestly do not believe moral responsibility of the people exists in our politicians.

    I was going to say 'public servants' but that seems so dishonest.

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    Bad-BeatBad-Beat Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    You shoot children; nothing happens.
    You shoot two people live on TV; nothing happens.
    Countless people are shot every single day; nothing happens.
    Nothing ever happens except way too many fucking innocent people die.

    Absolutely sickening.

    Bad-Beat on
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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    it's not that people don't care. it's that there are two conflicting ideas on how to solve gun violence and one of them is a bunch of bullshit that has everything stacked against it yet keeps being used.

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    A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    Well now I know about beta uprising. That's great. That's just great.

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    Bethryn wrote: »
    crossposting something from d&d:
    Eddy wrote: »
    TTODewback wrote: »
    So the shooter in Oregon posted about it last night on 4chan and users urged him on to do it.

    I've been following this story down the rabbit hole

    4chan is such a cesspool that I would call it an unintentional terrorist training cell

    here's a snapshot of the thread: https://i.imgur.com/oUzhCuJ.png and a fuller mirror: https://i.imgur.com/F90JrJW.jpg
    (more accurately, some users urged him on and some told him to fuck off and mentioned the fbi tips link)

    God damn

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    They need to tell these people's stories so that they are humans in the eyes of people, not just a statistic.

    I remember how horrible I felt after the movie theater shooting but then I soon after read about the people who were killed and I broke down.

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    it's not that people don't care. it's that there are two conflicting ideas on how to solve gun violence and one of them is a bunch of bullshit that has everything stacked against it yet keeps being used.

    Except one sides idea is: do nothing.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Mental illness is an issue in this country and probably some contributor to the problem, but the people bringing it up during these events also tend to be the ones who have done dick all about it.

    How many reforms for mental health care have Republicans written up in Congress, exactly?

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Jesus fuck if this is another MRA inspired shooting spree I hope an internet posse burns their digital hives to the ground

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    LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    How are people not terrified constantly of being anywhere?

    the odds of any one person being involved in a mass shooting is infinitesimal

    Much much lower than car accidents, etc etc

    that isn't to say that its not a problem, its a huge fucking problem

    but living in fear of it would mean ignoring a bunch of much more likely things that could happen to you to focus on it

    Yeah but a car accident is chance you know? And an accident in most cases, not intended.

    Shooting someone in a mass shooting is not an accident.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Jesus fuck if this is another MRA inspired shooting spree I hope an internet posse burns their digital hives to the ground
    Maybe 4chan will piss off another drug cartel.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Bethryn wrote: »
    crossposting something from d&d:
    Eddy wrote: »
    TTODewback wrote: »
    So the shooter in Oregon posted about it last night on 4chan and users urged him on to do it.

    I've been following this story down the rabbit hole

    4chan is such a cesspool that I would call it an unintentional terrorist training cell

    here's a snapshot of the thread: https://i.imgur.com/oUzhCuJ.png and a fuller mirror: https://i.imgur.com/F90JrJW.jpg
    (more accurately, some users urged him on and some told him to fuck off and mentioned the fbi tips link)

    i'd like to think 4chan is making shit up for attention

    like I'd really like to be told that is what is happening here

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    Liiya wrote: »
    How are people not terrified constantly of being anywhere?

    the odds of any one person being involved in a mass shooting is infinitesimal

    Much much lower than car accidents, etc etc

    that isn't to say that its not a problem, its a huge fucking problem

    but living in fear of it would mean ignoring a bunch of much more likely things that could happen to you to focus on it

    Yeah but a car accident is chance you know? And an accident in most cases, not intended.

    Shooting someone in a mass shooting is not an accident.

    yeah I know

    I was answering your question about being terrified of being anywhere

    because its extremely unlikely to happen to you personally

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Jars wrote: »
    it's not that people don't care. it's that there are two conflicting ideas on how to solve gun violence and one of them is a bunch of bullshit that has everything stacked against it yet keeps being used.

    Except one sides idea is: do nothing.

    not really, it's get more guns and remove as much regulation as possible. so it's kind of like nothing in that there will be nothing stopping anyone from getting a gun and shooting people, but it's not nothing

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    LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Liiya wrote: »
    If you're all living in fear then its messed up the government don't care then.

    I just don't understand this.

    (I know their political reasons, I just don't see how that overrides the moral responsibility of the people.)

    I say this without an ounce of cynicism.

    I honestly do not believe moral responsibility of the people exists in our politicians.

    I was going to say 'public servants' but that seems so dishonest.

    I don't want to offend anyone as I know I'm sitting in a completely different position you guys over here where I've never know or grow up with the fear of guns

    but it just makes me

    so so angry.

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    KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    repeal the second amendment

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    NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Liiya wrote: »
    If you're all living in fear then its messed up the government don't care then.

    I just don't understand this.

    (I know their political reasons, I just don't see how that overrides the moral responsibility of the people.)

    I say this without an ounce of cynicism.

    I honestly do not believe moral responsibility of the people exists in our politicians.

    I was going to say 'public servants' but that seems so dishonest.

    Ehh, the House has moved so much into serving only their constituencies that it's not surprising that this issue hasn't seen much movement. We've just moved into a really shitty version of Republicanism where the delegates are direct mirrors of the people.

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    DrDinosaurDrDinosaur Registered User regular
    I recently started school up again (at a different school in Oregon). Posted around various classrooms are posters advising students on what to do in the event of an active shooter, including run, hide, and fight for your life. Seeing these was kind of surreal at first - I don't really know how to feel about the fact that the chance of a shooting is high enough that the school feels the need to educate students on what to do in that eventuality.
    It's especially surreal now, in context.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    It should make you angry. It should make everyone angry.

    We live in a country where people care more about their right to own a gun then they care about people's lives.

    That's fucked up to me.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    DrDinosaur wrote: »
    I recently started school up again (at a different school in Oregon). Posted around various classrooms are posters advising students on what to do in the event of an active shooter, including run, hide, and fight for your life. Seeing these was kind of surreal at first - I don't really know how to feel about the fact that the chance of a shooting is high enough that the school feels the need to educate students on what to do in that eventuality.
    It's especially surreal now, in context.
    Columbine changed shit. Lockdown became standard procedure and were just as common as fire drills.

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    A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    As a lifelong responsible hunter, target shooter,gun guy...


    Fuckin' Just take our guns away already.

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    ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    There's this obsession with what i like to call extreme liberty in the us that I find doesn't exist in many other countries. It's not just with guns, but there's a sense that everyone is on there own, and everyone is to blame for their own fortunes 100% and that the cost of being extremely fucking free, is fear. It's like a perversion of the idea that true freedom is some sort of authority-free zone, and that any authority which makes things safer is necessarily evil. I feel like it's behind attitudes to socialised healthcare and a lot of other things, and maybe has its origins in anti-communist rhetoric?

    I'm just kind of going off my impressions here as a foreigner and I could be wrong. When I first lived in San Francisco after living in Sydney my whole life, I was amazed at some of the attitudes towards authority in general, and the concept of "freedom", and this is in a liberal city. One time there was a loud bang, everyone ducked, and stayed ducked. I didn't cos I thought it was a car back firing. The fact that it could be a gunshot just didn't even occur to me as someone who grew up in Sydney

    It's because we're a nation that literally came into being due to an armed uprising that was started by tax dodgers.

    This rah rah can't take my guns bullshit is pretty much ingrained in our countries DNA.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    edited October 2015
    Tube wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    101 wrote: »
    BBC is reporting 13 dead.

    It's really depressing that we've got about a week until everything returns to business as usual.

    Well, this already is business as usual, given that we're averaging one of these a week

    It's way more than that.

    Sorry about that, I was just counting school shootings with that figure

    We're even a bit above that, if Pooro's 45 is accurate, as I believe we're in week 40 of the year
    Tube wrote: »
    If you want to bring it down to one a week you have to narrow it down to "only mass shootings that happened in schools".

    And watch, as I totally definitely read the rest of the thread before posting

    Straightzi on
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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Liiya wrote: »
    If you're all living in fear then its messed up the government don't care then.

    I just don't understand this.

    (I know their political reasons, I just don't see how that overrides the moral responsibility of the people.)

    I say this without an ounce of cynicism.

    I honestly do not believe moral responsibility of the people exists in our politicians.

    I was going to say 'public servants' but that seems so dishonest.

    Most of the time politicians represent accurately a piece of our population. They don't get elected and then do the opposite of what they said(some do yes but not all or even most it seems). There are a number politicians pushing for laws to do something about these shootings and are acting as representation for us. There are also politicians who fight those people every step of the way because they believe something is more important or that those laws wont work and they too are fighting on behalf of somebody.

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