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[Subterfuge] Damn the torpedoes, and damn you all to hell.

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  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    edited November 2015
    -Tal wrote: »
    I got owned...

    I knew the location of every one of your drillers and their arrival times at one point, and I believe I mathed out how I could nuke your queen and princess quietly during the night, but I saw that one of your next specialist option was a martyr and had to throw it all out the window.

    Baidol on
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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. like fire Registered User regular
    anyway while i'm putting on a big show in chat both public and private i do have concerns that i haven't really figured out what like, everyone past 4th place does past a certain point

    the first few days of this game are great and then it feels way susceptible to kingmaking - it seemed to happen in the last game i saw, it's happened in all the write-ups about the game i've seen

    i'm curious as to whether anyone has had experience to the contrary thus far because now that i'm in the point in the game where it seems particularly relevant all i can think of is "man this game just doesn't have legs, it's got maybe two more plays out of me tops"

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  • StiltsStilts regular Registered User regular
    Baidol wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    I got owned...

    I knew the location of every one of your drillers and their arrival times at one point, and I believe I mathed out how I could nuke your queen and princess quietly during the night, but I saw that one of your next specialist option was a martyr and had to throw it all out the window.

    The martyr is pretty easy to counter once someone decides to set it on its path to destruction, but boy is it a fantastic deterrent to getting ANYTHING accomplished in its range of movement.

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  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    anyway while i'm putting on a big show in chat both public and private i do have concerns that i haven't really figured out what like, everyone past 4th place does past a certain point

    I suspect the answer is "hope the top four eat each other to death so that I can rise from their ashes", which is not very active, no.
    Stilts wrote: »
    Baidol wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    I got owned...

    I knew the location of every one of your drillers and their arrival times at one point, and I believe I mathed out how I could nuke your queen and princess quietly during the night, but I saw that one of your next specialist option was a martyr and had to throw it all out the window.

    The martyr is pretty easy to counter once someone decides to set it on its path to destruction, but boy is it a fantastic deterrent to getting ANYTHING accomplished in its range of movement.

    Fun fact: For determining range, the game uses the exact center of an outpost, not the icon as a whole. Worried Tal might get a martyr, I picked up my own and sent screening subs containing one driller to prematurely detonate a deployed martyr while I slept. The next morning, Tal deployed a sub to try and get my Queen before resigning, and I sent my martyr to intercept and was exactly one tick away from destroying my outpost as well.

    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Bad Opinion Haver Registered User regular
    I just started my first game of this.

    It's not even starting for four hours and I'm already plotting with someone to go agro against a guy after misleading him into putting excess troops towards a silly neutral generator.

  • JayKaosJayKaos regular Registered User regular
    anyway while i'm putting on a big show in chat both public and private i do have concerns that i haven't really figured out what like, everyone past 4th place does past a certain point

    the first few days of this game are great and then it feels way susceptible to kingmaking - it seemed to happen in the last game i saw, it's happened in all the write-ups about the game i've seen

    i'm curious as to whether anyone has had experience to the contrary thus far because now that i'm in the point in the game where it seems particularly relevant all i can think of is "man this game just doesn't have legs, it's got maybe two more plays out of me tops"

    I've only been in one other game so far, but it does definitely seem like it's really hard to catch up if someone's been in first/second place for a while.

    Taking mines takes away 20% of their Neptunium, but nobody's ever gonna leave them undefended - and if you don't happen to be right on their border there's not much you can do anyway.

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  • StiltsStilts regular Registered User regular
    JayKaos wrote: »
    anyway while i'm putting on a big show in chat both public and private i do have concerns that i haven't really figured out what like, everyone past 4th place does past a certain point

    the first few days of this game are great and then it feels way susceptible to kingmaking - it seemed to happen in the last game i saw, it's happened in all the write-ups about the game i've seen

    i'm curious as to whether anyone has had experience to the contrary thus far because now that i'm in the point in the game where it seems particularly relevant all i can think of is "man this game just doesn't have legs, it's got maybe two more plays out of me tops"

    I've only been in one other game so far, but it does definitely seem like it's really hard to catch up if someone's been in first/second place for a while.

    Taking mines takes away 20% of their Neptunium, but nobody's ever gonna leave them undefended - and if you don't happen to be right on their border there's not much you can do anyway.

    Yeah, it's pretty tough to make headway once the top 3 have asserted themselves. It's not like I enjoy settling for just helping an ally win, but my options were pretty limited by the third day; and they continued to be even more limited as time went on.

    The game has nothing in the way of comeback mechanics outside of lucky diplomacy.

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  • StiltsStilts regular Registered User regular
    And it doesn't help that Anzekay admitted he's sending a constant stream of drillers at me that will never take any territory purely to annoy me.

    Instead of sending them at anyone in the top 3.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta regular Registered User regular
    Baidol was in 8th a little over a day ago and he's surging now

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  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    Surging at the expense of Tal, yes, although with Jaykaos picking up the other half of Tal's holdings I'd put them as a better dark horse if Hullis and INAGNP manage to get humbled.

    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
  • StiltsStilts regular Registered User regular
    Baidol was in 8th a little over a day ago and he's surging now

    A big part of that is due to him being able to pick through Tal's scraps largely unopposed.

    Bluedude is under siege by Rackham (who seems mostly concerned with finishing hiim off), Azekay's busy stalling me, and I have no idea what's going on over in JayKaos' area (he's most likely being super protective of his three mines).

    I'm pretty much the only one who can go after him, but I'm fighting three battles at once right now; and I was too far away from Tal's outposts compared to him to make much headway anyway.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta regular Registered User regular
    Jaykay and I are both dealing with inantp's uncoordinated flailings

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  • StiltsStilts regular Registered User regular
    Jaykay and I are both dealing with inantp's uncoordinated flailings

    Okay, yeah, that's what I figured.

    So literally everyone is tied up with doing other shit, Baidol is closer than almost anyone else, and Tal left their outposts defended enough that it just ain't worth the effort for anyone else to risk leaving their borders thin.

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  • -Tal-Tal regular Registered User regular
    edited November 2015
    Unless I got real lucky with when you deployed your stuff my martyr couldn't have done much besides asset denial I guess, you could have easily met it halfway where it would have sputtered out safely

    what I am surprised about is that nobody attacked baidol's ass, even after they kept sending more and more reinforcements towards me

    -Tal on
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  • -Tal-Tal regular Registered User regular
    edited November 2015
    now what I should have done is betray jaykaos and stolen those 92 drillers + infiltrator

    jay would have attacked me, sure, but that happened anyway!!

    you think I would have learned that only the weak rely on the bonds of friendship

    -Tal on
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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost regular Registered User regular
    I don't even really know what I want to do at this point

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta regular Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Unless I got real lucky with when you deployed your stuff my martyr couldn't have done much besides asset denial I guess, you could have easily met it halfway where it would have sputtered out safely

    what I am surprised about is that nobody attacked baidol's ass, even after they kept sending more and more reinforcements towards me

    ((some of those reinforcements were mine))

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  • JayKaosJayKaos regular Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    now what I should have done is betray jaykaos and stolen those 92 drillers + infiltrator

    jay would have attacked me, sure, but that happened anyway!!

    you think I would have learned that only the weak rely on the bonds of friendship

    I was completely shocked when you actually sent those back, not gonna lie. I'd basically assumed they were all gone and I'd have to build back up to take Kiesling (which technically I never attacked and therefore never broke my word).

    Steam | SW-0844-0908-6004 and my Switch code
  • StiltsStilts regular Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Unless I got real lucky with when you deployed your stuff my martyr couldn't have done much besides asset denial I guess, you could have easily met it halfway where it would have sputtered out safely

    what I am surprised about is that nobody attacked baidol's ass, even after they kept sending more and more reinforcements towards me

    ((some of those reinforcements were mine))

    Thanks for making my life more difficult, partner.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta regular Registered User regular
    I sent Baidol some subs with which to attack tal in exchange for a generator, s'all

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  • DeadfallDeadfall regular Registered User regular
    edited November 2015
    Been reading the subterfuge forums and watching some videos of ranked players. Some interesting strategies I'd like to try.

    And now I have my assassins ready to go, but I think it's too late.

    Deadfall on
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  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    edited November 2015
    -Tal wrote: »
    Unless I got real lucky with when you deployed your stuff my martyr couldn't have done much besides asset denial I guess, you could have easily met it halfway where it would have sputtered out safely

    what I am surprised about is that nobody attacked baidol's ass, even after they kept sending more and more reinforcements towards me

    The fine art of diplomacy. I made you the offer at the start! Also, lacking any mines, I was one of the lesser threats.
    Stilts wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    Unless I got real lucky with when you deployed your stuff my martyr couldn't have done much besides asset denial I guess, you could have easily met it halfway where it would have sputtered out safely

    what I am surprised about is that nobody attacked baidol's ass, even after they kept sending more and more reinforcements towards me

    ((some of those reinforcements were mine))

    Thanks for making my life more difficult, partner.

    Fun fact: Those reinforcements didn't arrive until after Tal's resignation. Some of them still haven't arrived! Subs are slow as shit.

    Baidol on
    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta regular Registered User regular
    i tried talking to tal but they didn't respond to a single message until like, they day before they got knocked out

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  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    edited November 2015
    I offered Tal an alliance of convenience at the start, which was politely declined. Then Tal made the ambitious statement that they were going to take an outpost back three days ago, which I politely disagreed with.

    Baidol on
    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost regular Registered User regular
    Yeah, guys, I don't know what my role here is anymore
    I've barely even done anything in a couple of days
    I'm out

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  • StiltsStilts regular Registered User regular
    I feel like my superpower in this game is to always be in the worst possible position to take advantage of my neighbors resigning.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay regular Registered User regular
    I got hamstrung really bad early on in this game by fighting over one stupid outpost with GG for essentially no reason other than I got there first. And then stilts decided to attack me out of the blue.

    At this point I can't touch hullis without getting destroyed and I'm not close enough to anyone else so I decided to actually do something with all my drillers instead of sitting around waiting for someone to win and attacked stilts back for his early game surprise attack!

  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. like fire Registered User regular
    HAVE SOME FUNDING

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  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    You wouldn't fund me, jerk.

    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
  • StiltsStilts regular Registered User regular
    Anzekay wrote: »
    I got hamstrung really bad early on in this game by fighting over one stupid outpost with GG for essentially no reason other than I got there first. And then stilts decided to attack me out of the blue.

    At this point I can't touch hullis without getting destroyed and I'm not close enough to anyone else so I decided to actually do something with all my drillers instead of sitting around waiting for someone to win and attacked stilts back for his early game surprise attack!

    It wasn't a random surprise attack, by the way

    I attacked you because you were attacking GG, and I wanted to a) take an outpost from you while I had the chance and b) take pressure off of GG

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta regular Registered User regular
    HAVE SOME FUNDING

    Good idea, do you need some

    You seem like you could use the help

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  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    Come onnnnn silver

    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
  • JayKaosJayKaos regular Registered User regular
    Baidol wrote: »
    Come onnnnn silver

    You've probably got it, I'm losing mines left and right

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  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    It will be close. It depends on whether I can outproduce INAGTP and Stilts enough in the final 5 hours of the game.

    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
    Stilts
  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. like fire Registered User regular
    Yeah now that we're at the end of the game I'm not sure. The front half of the game I still like, the tenseness of the curt diplomatic dance, working out a strategy with almost no specialists. But the back half is just bloated with things I don't really like in games - punching down, kingmaking, choice paralysis, player elimination. I'm not going to call it a bad game but I was definitely hoping for a different overall experience

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 regular Registered User regular
    There was definetly more of that last gamr. It came down to the wire

    This one was just weird

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta regular Registered User regular
    Yeah now that we're at the end of the game I'm not sure. The front half of the game I still like, the tenseness of the curt diplomatic dance, working out a strategy with almost no specialists. But the back half is just bloated with things I don't really like in games - punching down, kingmaking, choice paralysis, player elimination. I'm not going to call it a bad game but I was definitely hoping for a different overall experience

    so I don't know that I agree with a couple things here

    The only reason, -only- reasons I won were twofold

    one, I played Stilts, Anze, and Baidol against each other all game while never explicitly taking a side. I neutralized anze as a threat to me as a favor to stilts, and instead of eliminating him early and bloodying myself, I worked out a deal that kept anze hypothetically in the game, and now my closest, biggest threat felt too intimidated to move on me. And after I saved stilts' only mine by tipping him off about a tricky move baidol was planning, I knew he wouldn't move against me either. Once Baidol was so far in the hole I knew he couldn't move on me, and that was the game.

    The second reason is that midgame everyone stopped talking to each other. If you or Tal had listened to Baidol's attempts to muster a group to come smash me, the game would have played much, MUCH more different.

    I think that diplomacy never stops being important in subterfuge. I DO agree that the right combination of specialists can be incredibly potent, especially if they line up with the playstyle you're gunning for; I became the mayor of Turtle City very early on (You can call me Krush) and kept getting units that benefited that scheme all game.

    I guess I think that the kingmaking, elimination, and punching down are not what I consider to be necessary to the game at all. If you do them, that's on you. Baidol wound up in second due to a smart mix of dimplomacy and tactics that put him in position for a late game surge (that I sort of stymied by tipping off stilts, again

    sorry baidol)

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta regular Registered User regular
    that said I think I'm going to file this game away in the part of my brain that likes doing phallas

    I cannot do a bunch in a row, at least with people I know

    I will probably do a public match or something, just to see what the meta is like

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  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    Frankly, I'm surprised Stilts never leveraged their massive production advantage into mines or conquests.

    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
    WeedLordVegeta
  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    The first time trying to nix Stilts was always a long shot, and the second time was never going to happen due to Stilt's next round of possible specialists.

    I would like to personally congratulate my Queen as team MVP. Moved to the front lines hours after the start of the game, accompanied only by her trusty Navigator, and held the lines against the barbarians of the north. She then personally led the assault and victory over Tal, all the while forming a bulwark against those foolish enough to attack her.

    Long live the Queen

    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
    WeedLordVegeta
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