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Let's Play Final Fantasy Tactics Together - Week 13! Get hype!

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  • joshgotrojoshgotro nah nahRegistered User regular
    Piotyr wrote: »
    I thought I'd take a bit of time at the beginning of week 6 to catch Agrias and Mustadio up a bit, as they were a few levels behind.

    For Agrias, it appears I inadvertently shot straight past "useful companion" into "holy goddess of death".
    She's the item destructor knight?

  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Does anyone actually change the unique characters you get from their primary class, when not teaching them other abilities? Stuff like Holy Sword is just...too good to give up

  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    joshgotro wrote: »
    Piotyr wrote: »
    I thought I'd take a bit of time at the beginning of week 6 to catch Agrias and Mustadio up a bit, as they were a few levels behind.

    For Agrias, it appears I inadvertently shot straight past "useful companion" into "holy goddess of death".
    She's the item destructor knight?
    That's Meliadoul. I'm guessing she just unlocked Lightning Stab, which is responsible for 40% of all damage in a given playthrough. FACT.

  • joshgotrojoshgotro nah nahRegistered User regular
    Piotyr wrote: »
    I thought I'd take a bit of time at the beginning of week 6 to catch Agrias and Mustadio up a bit, as they were a few levels behind.

    For Agrias, it appears I inadvertently shot straight past "useful companion" into "holy goddess of death".
    She's the item destructor knight?
    Delzhand wrote: »
    joshgotro wrote: »
    Piotyr wrote: »
    I thought I'd take a bit of time at the beginning of week 6 to catch Agrias and Mustadio up a bit, as they were a few levels behind.

    For Agrias, it appears I inadvertently shot straight past "useful companion" into "holy goddess of death".
    She's the item destructor knight?
    That's Meliadoul. I'm guessing she just unlocked Lightning Stab, which is responsible for 40% of all damage in a given playthrough. FACT.

    That's right.
    I have a fan fiction floating around about Agrias, Melaidoul, Beowulf, and T.G.
    Javen wrote: »
    Does anyone actually change the unique characters you get from their primary class, when not teaching them other abilities? Stuff like Holy Sword is just...too good to give up

    Hell no.

  • Duke 2.0Duke 2.0 Time Trash Cat Registered User regular
    You gotta train up some secondary skills for them to use, but their secondary always stays if applicable

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  • PiotyrPiotyr Power-Crazed Wizard SilmariaRegistered User regular
    I do admit to being a little disappointed that Blood Sword doesn't work with Holy Knight abilities, but that would just be unfair.

  • WyvernWyvern Registered User regular
    silence1186 wrote: »
    Munkus Beaver wrote: »
    And there's also Tactics Ogre: Advance which is just plain great.

    Knights of Lodis? I looked for that game for years. I'm convinced ONLY counterfeits made in China were produced of that game.
    Is it really that rare? I own a copy from way back.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Does anyone actually change the unique characters you get from their primary class, when not teaching them other abilities? Stuff like Holy Sword is just...too good to give up

    Yes. After mastering Holy Knight, she stops in Knight for Equip Swords, then can move through all the classes like normal, while always being able to Lightning Stab stuff. Same with Mustadio and Mediator for Equip Guns.

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    In later levels, I usually change them completely just to reduce some of the Fire Emblem effect

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  • robotbeerobotbee Drop any other moon on his face -Jupiter has so many it won't even careRegistered User regular
    Do you get EXTRA unique dialogue at Golgorand if you take Agrias and Mustadio? I got the extra bits for Agrias but never took Mustadio at all.

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  • SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Does anyone actually change the unique characters you get from their primary class, when not teaching them other abilities? Stuff like Holy Sword is just...too good to give up

    I always put Agrias through knight for equip sword, but I've never had the patience to grind enough JP with her to unlock Dark Knight.

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  • PiotyrPiotyr Power-Crazed Wizard SilmariaRegistered User regular
    Skeith wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Does anyone actually change the unique characters you get from their primary class, when not teaching them other abilities? Stuff like Holy Sword is just...too good to give up

    I always put Agrias through knight for equip sword, but I've never had the patience to grind enough JP with her to unlock Dark Knight.

    I think I'm going to try for it. I currently have Agrias as an archer with Equip Sword, so...a holy knight that can aim really hard.

  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    Hey, so fun fact about lionel castle, it HAS to be Ramza who opens the gate, no one else can do it. So glad I wasted a whole fight to find that out!

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited November 2015
    Y'know, I considered mentioning that, but I doubted anyone would go to the effort of getting someone else over the wall.

    For what it's worth, there's another battle later on with two switches, it needs to be Ramza there as well. You'll know it when you get to it (this battle's much easier though, and the only battle where killing everyone doesn't end the fight!)

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    Delzhand wrote: »
    Y'know, I considered mentioning that, but I doubted anyone would go to the effort of getting someone else over the wall.

    For what it's worth, there's another battle later on with two switches, it needs to be Ramza there as well. You'll know it when you get to it (this battle's much easier though, and the only battle where killing everyone doesn't end the fight!)

    I already had a mage with teleport, so it made way more sense to try that out.

    I really don't know about this game. I want to finish it, but I'm tired of losing fights to flukey bullshit. It's starting to feel like the way you get good at this game is by knowing what's coming in advance and preparing for it, and that actually being good at tactics isn't worth a damn. It's made worse by the fact that I now HAVE to grind at barius valley, which is not a good place to grind at.

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Final Fantasy Tactics ultimate strategy: Ramza screaming and running laps around the map

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    Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    monk Ramza going all Doom comic book on everything

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    SageinaRage wrote: »
    Delzhand wrote: »
    It's starting to feel like the way you get good at this game is by knowing what's coming in advance and preparing for it, and that actually being good at tactics isn't worth a damn.

    This is undoubtedly true. There is no "good at FFT", there is only "knows FFT". There are handful of skills and classes that are totally broken, and the enemy AI never capitalizes on synergy.

    That said, the Level 1 Challenge is definitely a thing people have done.
    Putting this in a code block so the formatting lines up: 
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~[Gate of Lionel Castle]~~~
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-----------------------------------------
 Enemy/NPC Units       | Levels          |
-----------------------------------------|
 Gafgarion             | 18              |
 Knights x3            | 15, 15, 16      |
 Archers x2            | 15, 17          |
 Summoner              | 16              |
-----------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------------------  
 Unit - Job         | 2RSM Abilities / Equipment                      |
----------------------------------------------------------------------|
 Ramza - Lancer     | Hamedo, Concentrate, Move HP Up                 |
                    |-------------------------------------------------|
                    | Spear, Gold Shield, Cross Helm, Gold Armor,     |
                    | Battle Boots                                    |
----------------------------------------------------------------------|
 The male with 26   | Battle Skill, Hamedo, Concentrate, Move HP Up   |
 Exp - Ninja        |-------------------------------------------------|
                    | Green Beret, Wizard Outfit, Battle Boots        |
----------------------------------------------------------------------|
 2 Males & 1 female | Counter Flood, Defend, Move HP Up               |
 - Geomancers       |-------------------------------------------------|
                    | Gold Shield, Green Beret, Wizard Outfit, Wizard |
                    | Mantle                                          |
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Gaf hits Ramza with nightsword. The ninja with battle skill teleports back, 
and must break Gaf's sword (27 EXP). Then hamedo Gaf, and carve model all 
the enemy generics with defend and counterflood. Not too bad. After this 
battle, the one male should have 53 EXP: 27 from this battle, 26 from 
Golgorand.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    silence1186 wrote: »
    Munkus Beaver wrote: »
    And there's also Tactics Ogre: Advance which is just plain great.

    Knights of Lodis? I looked for that game for years. I'm convinced ONLY counterfeits made in China were produced of that game.

    I have a copy of that game. Somewhere. I can't find any of my GBA games, which is a shame since I had some pretty rare ones. But yeah, Knight of Lodis. Which is technically a prequel to Tactics Ogre if you got the S+ ending.

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    SageinaRage wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    You could also give Ramza Ignore Height and just have him NOPE out of the area and have him help the rest of your team clear out the rabble, then gang up on him last.

    This was my plan, I just spent a couple fights grinding up lancer.

    Hey so as an update, I did this. Spent a fight just grinding the hell out of everything, got enough for Ignore Height, then went back and had Ramza drop down to help wipe out everybody, then got ready to go back over and open the gate to kill gafgarion.

    Ramza can't jump back up the wall.

    So my whole team is alive, just waiting at the gate to run through and kill gafgarion, but no one can open it.

    I can't decide if I want to beat this game or set it on fire.

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    FUCK YES I still succeeded!

    I had a monk with chakra who could heal people constantly and return mp, a time/black mage with teleport, a white/summoner with titan, and agrias whose stasis sword ignores height. I was able to lure gafgarion over with the mage and by planting ramza right by the wall. He would come over and attack, moving back and forth. I was able to get everyone in position so he'd come attack ramza, agrias could hit him with the sword, and I got him with a couple titans and some slows/bolts.

    EFF YOU GAME

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    At this point in the game, a double-fisted ninja is a quick and easy solution to a lot of encounters.

    Double-fisted ninja sounds so naughty.

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  • WearingglassesWearingglasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    robotbee wrote: »
    Do you get EXTRA unique dialogue at Golgorand if you take Agrias and Mustadio? I got the extra bits for Agrias but never took Mustadio at all.

    Mustadio doesn't have any extra dialogue in Golgorand.

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  • robotbeerobotbee Drop any other moon on his face -Jupiter has so many it won't even careRegistered User regular
    Wearingglasses wrote: »
    robotbee wrote: »
    Do you get EXTRA unique dialogue at Golgorand if you take Agrias and Mustadio? I got the extra bits for Agrias but never took Mustadio at all.

    Mustadio doesn't have any extra dialogue in Golgorand.

    That seems like a bit of a missed opportunity, considering MOST of the dialogue concerns a topic of interest. Ah well!

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    SageinaRage wrote: »
    FUCK YES I still succeeded!

    I had a monk with chakra who could heal people constantly and return mp, a time/black mage with teleport, a white/summoner with titan, and agrias whose stasis sword ignores height. I was able to lure gafgarion over with the mage and by planting ramza right by the wall. He would come over and attack, moving back and forth. I was able to get everyone in position so he'd come attack ramza, agrias could hit him with the sword, and I got him with a couple titans and some slows/bolts.

    EFF YOU GAME

    Think of it this way! That's a much better story than "I punched him three times and opened the gate"!

  • WearingglassesWearingglasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    Anybody know if the Titan Summon has any dependencies on the mage's stats? I thought it didn't, and put it on a Lancer I have, but now I don't remember. (Basically, I have no good ideas for the Lancer's secondary skillset).

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  • HeartfinderHeartfinder Registered User regular
    Summon damage (magic in general, actually) runs off of a combination of a) the caster's MA, b) the caster's Faith, and c) the target's Faith. This holds true if the magic skillset is primary or secondary on the caster.

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    Delzhand wrote: »
    SageinaRage wrote: »
    FUCK YES I still succeeded!

    I had a monk with chakra who could heal people constantly and return mp, a time/black mage with teleport, a white/summoner with titan, and agrias whose stasis sword ignores height. I was able to lure gafgarion over with the mage and by planting ramza right by the wall. He would come over and attack, moving back and forth. I was able to get everyone in position so he'd come attack ramza, agrias could hit him with the sword, and I got him with a couple titans and some slows/bolts.

    EFF YOU GAME

    Think of it this way! That's a much better story than "I punched him three times and opened the gate"!

    Yeah I'm definitely going to remember that more than most other fights in this game.

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    Having said that, I had been wanting to try out a lot of the class abilities, but now I think I'm just going to cheese the fuck out of it.

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Aside from Lich and the heal/status ones, summon damage formula is the same.

    [CasterFaith/100 * TargetFaith/100 * MA * X]

    Where X depends on the summon. I believe it's the case that MP cost maps proportionally to X.

    If anyone else is interested, few games have been mathematically deconstructed as completely as FFT. This is the Battle Mechanics Guide, the bible for FFT: http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197339-final-fantasy-tactics/faqs/3876

  • WearingglassesWearingglasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    D'oh! There were two Earth elemental summons. I meant Golem, the shield spell.

    Which based on the mechanics guide is based on caster HP! Nice, only too bad my Lancer can only cast it a grand total of once.

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  • chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Do you think it's trademarked?Registered User regular
    Delzhand wrote: »
    Aside from Lich and the heal/status ones, summon damage formula is the same.

    [CasterFaith/100 * TargetFaith/100 * MA * X]

    Where X depends on the summon. I believe it's the case that MP cost maps proportionally to X.

    If anyone else is interested, few games have been mathematically deconstructed as completely as FFT. This is the Battle Mechanics Guide, the bible for FFT: http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197339-final-fantasy-tactics/faqs/3876

    I'm pretty sure the math for any given Fire Emblem is all out there on the internet. Then again, Fire Emblem has always been about clean and quick math. Something I've always liked about the series.

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    I don't know if it's good for the galaxy to just stop it like that, Orran.

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    Also, DAMN calculators are slow. I was excited to try them out, but then he only gets like 2 actions a fight unless I specifically drag it out.

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  • SnowglobeSnowglobe Registered User regular
    Yeah, the calculator class has horrible stats to balance their awesome abilities. I'd suggest learning those abilities ASAP (I always saved all the inn jobs for this) before switching back to some other class.

  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Priest/Calc is an excellent combo because priest actually has really good speed and magic.

  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    I want to try using Mimes for once, but the way they play is just so weird, that I don't know if it's worth it

  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    I want to try using Mimes for once, but the way they play is just so weird, that I don't know if it's worth it

    The positioning issue always bugged me with them.

  • WearingglassesWearingglasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    Mix Mimes and Dancers/Bards.

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    After just grinding for about 4 fights in a row, blew through all of the fights in the monastery. DAMN I'm tired of bad guys just teleporting out of here! It happened 3 fucking times in a row! This story arc is where we hit peak jrpg - we had a series of bad guys teleporting away, brought a new character along just to get kidnapped, and she was spirited away before I could even do anything.

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