I am surprised that Ohio doesn't have a de-facto law where if you are underage and driving intoxicated at all then that's Drunk Driving.
Because that would be a horribly bad idea, as any "de facto" law would be? If you want to have a zero tolerance law, then it needs to be a law.
Sorry, miscommunication be 'de facto.' I mean the law would determined purely by the facts. Look at this case, look at those facts, automatic shit happens no excuse is applicable.
Those are called "strict liability" ctimes, FYI, since Hedgie was good enough to blow you up about legal policy in a football thread but not acknowledge a language mistake.
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I'm an attorney, FYI. I was trying to speak in non-legalese and I failed.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
So one of those mistakes indicate the game would have ended. If this is the case I'm not entirely sure why they can't vacate the win for Miami and give it to Duke. I mean Duke would be able to decline the penalties since the result of the guy being down during one of the laterals would end the game correct?
1) overturning a game is a precedent that no one wants a part of. Do it once and everyone will yell at you for everything. Like the duke TD in the Miami game that didn't go in or any other number of potentially consequential missed calls. If you restrict to just calls that obviously changed the outcome then you're probably just making an exception for Duke. And no one else in the league wants that. So you throw Duke a bone by suspending the refs instead.
2) only one of those mistakes is legit. (Missing the penalty that would have brought it back and given another down). The rest are just padding so that the ACC didn't look like asses assuaging Duke. And even then the play was super hectic and its not surprising that they missed a penalty. Like seriously "you failed to throw a flag for a dead ball penalty with zero seconds on the clock" and "you didn't communicate why you picked up a flag well enough" are only there so the list looks longer; because "you missed a single penalty and made a judgement call on review in favor of the call on the field" aren't neer enough to convince anyone else.
I heard somewhere else that gambling also comes into play as an unspoken reason for not changing game outcomes.
Saw a headline on ESPN for an Insider Article speculating that Harbaugh could totally leave Michigan to coach the Colts because he almost took them to the Super Bowl, damnit! It would be hard to say no to that!
So, I've been kicking around this idea, and I've decided we're going through with it. Week 13 is, for most teams, commonly known as Hate Week, because that's the week most teams play their rivals. There are, of course, exceptions, but for the most part this holds true. So, in honor of Hate Week, I'm going to let you write whatever you want (within reason, I don't want these things to get too long). Here's how this will work: games on both the 27th and 28th of November are eligible for this (sorry UCF/USF and TTech/Texas). If you want your team/rivalry game to be included, send me a message as soon as possible that includes your hate-filled preview of the game. The deadline will be the 23rd of November, so you have some time, but try to get these in as early as possible.
Straight-Up (spread in parenthesis courtesy of ESPN)
Duke @ North Carolina (-8) - Show of hands if you knew North Carolina was 7-1. This isn't a soft 7-1 either........well, I mean the schedule isn't great, and won't be great the rest of the year, but North Carolina has at least dominated the majority of the teams they've played. Still not sure how that week 1 loss to South Carolina happened. Duke fans are coming to grips with the fact that ACC refs ruled against them in a big situation, not yet realizing that they haven't been watching basketball this entire time.
Navy @ #13 Memphis (-8) - We're using the CFB Playoff Rankings from here on out, and oh would you look at that. The best team in the SEC West is only ranked #13. Navy will be a challenge in that the triple-option is rather annoying to stop on a weekly basis, but it shouldn't be too difficult for this top-tier SEC team. It is nice to see an SEC team schedule tough down OoC, though.
#8 Texas Christian (-5.5) @ #14 Oklahoma State - We're at week 10 of "How is Oklahoma State still undefeated?" I've expected this train to derail multiple times in the past few weeks, and yet here we are. I'm not going to stop now, though, especially with Boykin and Doctson rolling into town followed by a defense that has gotten increasingly better the past few weeks. Then again, this game is in Stillwater, which is something of a low-rent Lubbock for crazy things.
Arizona State @ Washington State (-3) - This game is going to be gooooooooood. But not in a "both these teams are exceptional" sort of way. More of a "both these teams are highly flammable and are more than willing to douse some more gasoline on themselves" sort of way. Arizona State took a page from the Pete Carroll playbook by throwing from the 2 when the opposing defense can't stop your run game, possibly because Todd Graham was distracted by Oregon's sign-protecting sheets. This is the best Washington State team under Mike Leach, but they've just started their run of multiple good teams, so it will be interesting to see how they handle the increased pressure.
#7 Michigan State (-5.5) @ Nebraska - This line seems low, but then again Michigan State is most comfortable winning a game by 6 points and then shaking your hand afterwards. Nebraska fans are really understanding why replacing your 9-win coach with a career .450 guy was viewed so skeptically by everyone.
Against the Spread (spread in parenthesis courtesy of ESPN)
Minnesota @ #3 Ohio State (-23) - This seems cruel to do to Minnesota. Their coach was forced to retire for medical reasons, then the interim coach screwed up immensely in the final seconds of the Michigan game, and now they have to fly to Columbus. However, Ohio State will be without JT Barrett, who is suspended one more week due to an off-field altercation, so it's back to the QB Controversy (tm) well for the Buckeyes. I'd say this spread is too high considering all the circumstances, but I guess Vegas was really excited by how the Buckeyes handled longtime Big 10 power Rutgers a few weeks ago.
#16 Florida State @ #1 Clemson (-12.5) - God damn this week is loaded. This is THE big game for Clemson. Win this one and there's relatively smooth sailing to the ACC Title game. They still have to get through this game, though, and Dalvin Cook might be the biggest challenge the Clemson D will have faced all year. Wait, take out the might; Dalvin Cook IS the biggest challenge the Clemson D will face this year. Which is good for Florida State, because they too are stuck in QB Controversy (tm) land.
#5 Notre Dame (-8.5) @ Pittsburgh - This game looked way better last week before Pitt did Pitt things in a loss to North Carolina, but this is still a really good Pitt team. Notre Dame surprised with an initial ranking of #5, but considering their only loss was by 2 on the road to the #1 team, their resume looks stellar. A Notre Dame that wins out will be tough to argue against, as they'd have wins over USC, Temple, Pitt, and Stanford on the resume, and having the "best" loss out of any one-loss team. Oh, and they should win this game, provided Pitt doesn't go crazy.
California @ Oregon (-4.5) - Take what I said about ASU/Wazzu and apply it here, except the end would probably include "and then the two flammable teams walked right into a wildfire because they thought they could help". Both teams are still playing for something; Oregon still has an outside shot at winning the Pac 12 North somehow, as long as Stanford can lose a game (they won't), and Cal is still looking for bowl eligibility. They still have Oregon State next week so this isn't exactly must-win, but a win here could help the Bears show progress after getting run off the field by UCLA and USC for the third straight year under Sonny Dykes.
GOTW (spread in parenthesis courtesy of ESPN) (AGAINST THE SPREAD)
#2 LSU @ #4 Alabama (-6.5)(AGAINST THE SPREAD) - ASimPerson is cruel to do this to you all. This is a virtual knockout game for the playoffs. A loss by Alabama virtually guarantees they won't make the playoff, while a LSU loss would do the same thing barring some catastrophe (and lets be fair, if said catastrophe occurs, it's leading to Playoff Iowa rather than Playoff LSU). Both teams claim to have quarterbacks, but this will be a game of who can stop the other team's star running back. Derrick Henry is a load of a player, and will physically manhandle you if you are in his way. Leonard Fournette can virtually wrap up the Heisman here with a solid performance, and his performance against Auburn made Tide fans audibly scream with delight. LSU probably has the defensive advantage, but Alabama has gotten much better since their torching by Ole Miss, including doing dirty things to Georgia and A&M. This will be a good one, and hopefully we don't have to see it again in January.
Saw a headline on ESPN for an Insider Article speculating that Harbaugh could totally leave Michigan to coach the Colts because he almost took them to the Super Bowl, damnit! It would be hard to say no to that!
Those are just never gonna stop, are they?
I heard the new coaching staff of the Lions will be Urban Meyer as the HC, Brian Kelly as the OC, and Mark Dantonio as the DC. It's on the internet, so it's definitely true.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Saw a headline on ESPN for an Insider Article speculating that Harbaugh could totally leave Michigan to coach the Colts because he almost took them to the Super Bowl, damnit! It would be hard to say no to that!
Those are just never gonna stop, are they?
I heard the new coaching staff of the Lions will be Urban Meyer as the HC, Brian Kelly as the OC, and Mark Dantonio as the DC. It's on the internet, so it's definitely true.
Brady Hoke will be the new HC and then the Lions will win the Super Bowl next year.
Saw a headline on ESPN for an Insider Article speculating that Harbaugh could totally leave Michigan to coach the Colts because he almost took them to the Super Bowl, damnit! It would be hard to say no to that!
Those are just never gonna stop, are they?
I heard the new coaching staff of the Lions will be Urban Meyer as the HC, Brian Kelly as the OC, and Mark Dantonio as the DC. It's on the internet, so it's definitely true.
Brady Hoke will be the new HC and then the Lions will win the Super Bowl next year.
Of the local peewee league?
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Saw a headline on ESPN for an Insider Article speculating that Harbaugh could totally leave Michigan to coach the Colts because he almost took them to the Super Bowl, damnit! It would be hard to say no to that!
Those are just never gonna stop, are they?
I heard the new coaching staff of the Lions will be Urban Meyer as the HC, Brian Kelly as the OC, and Mark Dantonio as the DC. It's on the internet, so it's definitely true.
Brady Hoke will be the new HC and then the Lions will win the Super Bowl next year.
Of the local peewee league?
I thought we were listing coaching decisions that would finally make you stop watching the Lions, even if God would never let it happen. I thought that was fairly obvious by saying the Lions win the Super Bowl.
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I doubt you guys remember me talking about my nephew a couple years back being scouted by a couple US colleges. He was one of Canada's top prospects, I think the #1 running back, and set five provincial records in his last two years playing high school football.
He ended up accepting an offer from Ohio U and he now plays for the Bobcats and he's started showing up in highlights!
I had a friend that was a roommate with some Ohio U. linemen. They were more into weed than lifting weights. We didn't win a lot of football games while I was there.
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I was about to laugh if Nebraska lost again on a last minute play.
I do like how CBS's coverage of Ala Vs LSU is deciding the 4th play off spot ignoring pac 12 entirely and anyone who isn't SEC! Thank god they at least lost the idea that Ole Miss could be in the play off.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I was about to laugh if Nebraska lost again on a last minute play.
I do like how CBS's coverage of Ala Vs LSU is deciding the 4th play off spot ignoring pac 12 entirely and anyone who isn't SEC! Thank god they at least lost the idea that Ole Miss could be in the play off.
SEC fans don't even like CBS's coverage.
Vern and Gary are the worst.
Most people mute the game and just listen to Eli Gold because they're so fucking bad.
Edit: Mostly Vern. Vern stahppp pls.
I was about to laugh if Nebraska lost again on a last minute play.
I do like how CBS's coverage of Ala Vs LSU is deciding the 4th play off spot ignoring pac 12 entirely and anyone who isn't SEC! Thank god they at least lost the idea that Ole Miss could be in the play off.
Even if Notre Dame and Baylor keep winning (or Oklahoma State I guess maybe?), I would be surprised if the SEC got left out of the CFP entirely. Clemson at #1, Ohio State at #2 (potentially iffy because still some tough games coming up), then you have your choice of 2 of a) 1 loss Notre Dame that barely lost to #1 Clemson (on the road too I think), b) undefeated Baylor or Oklahoma State, c) 1-loss SEC champ (Alabama or Florida), d) whoever comes out of the PAC 12 (1 or 2 loss Stanford or 1 loss Utah). It is not unreasonable that the PAC 12 would be left out, nor is it unreasonable that the SEC would be left out (though they won't, because SEC).
I think that realistically, Clemson is basically in, as well as the winner of the SEC (assuming either Alabama or Florida win out, which I feel is pretty likely). One spot will go to either Notre Dame or a PAC 12 champ Stanford, the other to an undefeated Big 12 champion or Ohio State if they finish unbeaten.
My personal prediction is Clemson, Ohio State, Alabama and Notre Dame. The Big 12 is won by Baylor in an undefeated season, but their terrible strength of schedule is punished by the CFP committee. Stanford wins the PAC 12 but is sitting at 2 losses and left out as well.
-edit- Changed the wording of my first sentence because I worked through the possibilities and remembered the history of the CFP committee.
Undefeated Clemson
Undefeated Big Ten champion
Undefeated Big 12 champion
One Loss SEC champion
One loss Notre Dame
One loss Big Ten champion
One loss Clemson (I'm aware this doesn't really make sense, but ratings and if they lose it's going to be baaaaaad)
One loss PAC-12 Champion
One loss Big 12 champion
Non-champion Ohio State (12-1 with loss to Iowa better than 11-1 with loss to Michigan)
Non-champion 11-1 LSU, assuming Alabama wins SEC
Two loss P5 champion (Michigan #1 of current two loss teams)
Undefeated Houston
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Just going by the history of the CFP committee, I don't think an undefeated Big 12 champ finishes ahead of a one loss SEC champ. If it's Florida, they lost to LSU on the road by one touchdown. If it's Alabama, they lost at home to Ole Miss by 6, with one of those TDs being a long tipped pass. The committee has already indicated that they don't think that loss to Ole Miss was disqualifying. Alabama played Wisconsin out of conference, and Florida plays FSU, both of which are pretty solid teams from big conferences. The potential undefeated Big 12 champs would be Baylor and Oklahoma State, neither of whom have played any quality out of conference games. Central Michigan, University of Central Arkansas, UT San Antonio, SMU, Lamar and Rice are not teams that are going to excite the committee. I also think a one loss Notre Dame would finish ahead of an undefeated Big 12 champ, since the one loss was against Clemson and Notre Dame's schedule has been pretty solid (with the exception of UMass really). The Pac-12 does seem pretty likely to miss out unless it's a one loss Stanford team, since they would have beaten Notre Dame to get to that point.
Things start getting interesting if the Big Ten champ has one loss, or if Iowa defeats a one loss East division champ (no idea who that would be if Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State all end up with one loss). Iowa is currently ranked below Baylor and I think would be unlikely to pass them unless they defeated a previously undefeated Ohio State in the Big Ten title game. My version of your ranking list is below.
Undefeated Clemson
Undefeated Big Ten champion (if Ohio State finishes regular season undefeated)
One Loss SEC champion
One loss Notre Dame
One loss Stanford
Undefeated Big 12 champion
Undefeated Iowa (if East division champion enters the game with one or more losses)
One loss Utah
One loss Big Ten champion
One loss Big 12 champion
Non-champion Ohio State (12-1 with loss to Iowa better than 11-1 with loss to Michigan)
Non-champion 11-1 LSU, assuming Alabama wins SEC
Two loss P5 champion (Michigan #1 of current two loss teams)
Undefeated Houston
No way does an undefeated Big 10 champ get left out to a one loss team, no matter who they played. If Iowa wins out, they are in. There are at most 4 undefeated teams after championship game weekend (and that's including Houston). The committee is not going to leave out an undefeated P5 champion.
No way does an undefeated Big 10 champ get left out to a one loss team, no matter who they played. If Iowa wins out, they are in. There are at most 4 undefeated teams after championship game weekend (and that's including Houston). The committee is not going to leave out an undefeated P5 champion.
That is quite possibly true, Iowa looks to move up at least two or three spots to 6 or 7 after this week's results, as a rough guess. For some reason I had thought they were lower. So an undefeated Big Ten champ is probably second place, though I do still think an undefeated Big 12 champ would get left out, those out of conference schedules are pathetic.
My apologies for getting the Iowa thing wrong, and thanks for making me take another look at things.
Remember than an undefeated Big 12 champion has wins over TCU, Oklahoma, and either Baylor or Oklahoma State by the end of the year. Those schedules are super backloaded. They'll move up considerably.
Big Ten East scenarios do not include a three way one loss situation anymore. Basically:
If MSU or OSU wins out, they win the East.
If Michigan wins out and OSU beats MSU, they create the Iowa QB Bowl*.
*Barring a stunning Iowa collapse, they have to lose twice while Wisconsin wins out to not take the West.
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It wasn't pretty and if the hand of god hadn't hand delivered the ball to you Collins we would have been done. I'm not used to being on this side of ridiculous plays but I'll take it. Go Hogs.
Ah right, for some reason it slipped my mind that Michigan State and Ohio State haven't played yet. That does simplify things greatly.
As for an undefeated Big 12 champion, I think such a team would have been in a better position if TCU had beaten Oklahoma State. TCU at least played Minnesota, which is not good this year but does belong to a Power 5 conference. If Baylor wins out, that puts TCU at 2-3 losses, OU at 2-4 losses and Ok. St. at 1-2 losses. If Ok. St. wins out, then Baylor is at 1-3 losses, OU at 2-4 losses and TCU at 1-3 losses. Either way those three wins are likely to be the only quality wins on the champion's resume, with the next best win for any of those teams being WVU, Texas Tech and Texas who are all struggling to reach bowl eligibility. I personally still think a one loss Notre Dame or one loss Pac-12 or SEC champion would be a better choice. Stanford has Notre Dame and Northwestern on the schedule, Utah has Michigan, Alabama has Wisconsin, Florida has FSU. If LSU somehow ended up winning the SEC then I would put an undefeated Big 12 champ ahead of them since Syracuse is not a compelling Power 5 opponent, but at least LSU put a Power 5 team on the schedule.
Of course my biases are showing in this stream of thought, because I don't like the idea of a team that didn't even schedule a non-conference game against a Power 5 team getting into the playoff. I would really prefer if the committee rewarded tougher schedules.
If this goes through and this weekend's game against BYU is canceled, it will cost the school $1M in penalties. There's also not much the school can do in response, considering the ramifications of punishing the players (simply put, if they strip scholarships from the players, it would blow even more holes in the idea that these players aren't employees.)
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Those are called "strict liability" ctimes, FYI, since Hedgie was good enough to blow you up about legal policy in a football thread but not acknowledge a language mistake.
I heard somewhere else that gambling also comes into play as an unspoken reason for not changing game outcomes.
Can't pay the players though.
Those are just never gonna stop, are they?
BUT FIRST, A BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING:
So, I've been kicking around this idea, and I've decided we're going through with it. Week 13 is, for most teams, commonly known as Hate Week, because that's the week most teams play their rivals. There are, of course, exceptions, but for the most part this holds true. So, in honor of Hate Week, I'm going to let you write whatever you want (within reason, I don't want these things to get too long). Here's how this will work: games on both the 27th and 28th of November are eligible for this (sorry UCF/USF and TTech/Texas). If you want your team/rivalry game to be included, send me a message as soon as possible that includes your hate-filled preview of the game. The deadline will be the 23rd of November, so you have some time, but try to get these in as early as possible.
Straight-Up (spread in parenthesis courtesy of ESPN)
Duke @ North Carolina (-8) - Show of hands if you knew North Carolina was 7-1. This isn't a soft 7-1 either........well, I mean the schedule isn't great, and won't be great the rest of the year, but North Carolina has at least dominated the majority of the teams they've played. Still not sure how that week 1 loss to South Carolina happened. Duke fans are coming to grips with the fact that ACC refs ruled against them in a big situation, not yet realizing that they haven't been watching basketball this entire time.
Navy @ #13 Memphis (-8) - We're using the CFB Playoff Rankings from here on out, and oh would you look at that. The best team in the SEC West is only ranked #13. Navy will be a challenge in that the triple-option is rather annoying to stop on a weekly basis, but it shouldn't be too difficult for this top-tier SEC team. It is nice to see an SEC team schedule tough down OoC, though.
#8 Texas Christian (-5.5) @ #14 Oklahoma State - We're at week 10 of "How is Oklahoma State still undefeated?" I've expected this train to derail multiple times in the past few weeks, and yet here we are. I'm not going to stop now, though, especially with Boykin and Doctson rolling into town followed by a defense that has gotten increasingly better the past few weeks. Then again, this game is in Stillwater, which is something of a low-rent Lubbock for crazy things.
Arizona State @ Washington State (-3) - This game is going to be gooooooooood. But not in a "both these teams are exceptional" sort of way. More of a "both these teams are highly flammable and are more than willing to douse some more gasoline on themselves" sort of way. Arizona State took a page from the Pete Carroll playbook by throwing from the 2 when the opposing defense can't stop your run game, possibly because Todd Graham was distracted by Oregon's sign-protecting sheets. This is the best Washington State team under Mike Leach, but they've just started their run of multiple good teams, so it will be interesting to see how they handle the increased pressure.
#7 Michigan State (-5.5) @ Nebraska - This line seems low, but then again Michigan State is most comfortable winning a game by 6 points and then shaking your hand afterwards. Nebraska fans are really understanding why replacing your 9-win coach with a career .450 guy was viewed so skeptically by everyone.
Against the Spread (spread in parenthesis courtesy of ESPN)
Minnesota @ #3 Ohio State (-23) - This seems cruel to do to Minnesota. Their coach was forced to retire for medical reasons, then the interim coach screwed up immensely in the final seconds of the Michigan game, and now they have to fly to Columbus. However, Ohio State will be without JT Barrett, who is suspended one more week due to an off-field altercation, so it's back to the QB Controversy (tm) well for the Buckeyes. I'd say this spread is too high considering all the circumstances, but I guess Vegas was really excited by how the Buckeyes handled longtime Big 10 power Rutgers a few weeks ago.
#16 Florida State @ #1 Clemson (-12.5) - God damn this week is loaded. This is THE big game for Clemson. Win this one and there's relatively smooth sailing to the ACC Title game. They still have to get through this game, though, and Dalvin Cook might be the biggest challenge the Clemson D will have faced all year. Wait, take out the might; Dalvin Cook IS the biggest challenge the Clemson D will face this year. Which is good for Florida State, because they too are stuck in QB Controversy (tm) land.
#5 Notre Dame (-8.5) @ Pittsburgh - This game looked way better last week before Pitt did Pitt things in a loss to North Carolina, but this is still a really good Pitt team. Notre Dame surprised with an initial ranking of #5, but considering their only loss was by 2 on the road to the #1 team, their resume looks stellar. A Notre Dame that wins out will be tough to argue against, as they'd have wins over USC, Temple, Pitt, and Stanford on the resume, and having the "best" loss out of any one-loss team. Oh, and they should win this game, provided Pitt doesn't go crazy.
California @ Oregon (-4.5) - Take what I said about ASU/Wazzu and apply it here, except the end would probably include "and then the two flammable teams walked right into a wildfire because they thought they could help". Both teams are still playing for something; Oregon still has an outside shot at winning the Pac 12 North somehow, as long as Stanford can lose a game (they won't), and Cal is still looking for bowl eligibility. They still have Oregon State next week so this isn't exactly must-win, but a win here could help the Bears show progress after getting run off the field by UCLA and USC for the third straight year under Sonny Dykes.
GOTW (spread in parenthesis courtesy of ESPN) (AGAINST THE SPREAD)
#2 LSU @ #4 Alabama (-6.5)(AGAINST THE SPREAD) - ASimPerson is cruel to do this to you all. This is a virtual knockout game for the playoffs. A loss by Alabama virtually guarantees they won't make the playoff, while a LSU loss would do the same thing barring some catastrophe (and lets be fair, if said catastrophe occurs, it's leading to Playoff Iowa rather than Playoff LSU). Both teams claim to have quarterbacks, but this will be a game of who can stop the other team's star running back. Derrick Henry is a load of a player, and will physically manhandle you if you are in his way. Leonard Fournette can virtually wrap up the Heisman here with a solid performance, and his performance against Auburn made Tide fans audibly scream with delight. LSU probably has the defensive advantage, but Alabama has gotten much better since their torching by Ole Miss, including doing dirty things to Georgia and A&M. This will be a good one, and hopefully we don't have to see it again in January.
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I heard the new coaching staff of the Lions will be Urban Meyer as the HC, Brian Kelly as the OC, and Mark Dantonio as the DC. It's on the internet, so it's definitely true.
Brady Hoke will be the new HC and then the Lions will win the Super Bowl next year.
Of the local peewee league?
I thought we were listing coaching decisions that would finally make you stop watching the Lions, even if God would never let it happen. I thought that was fairly obvious by saying the Lions win the Super Bowl.
I mean yeah, they'll roll on the Mustangs in the second half. It still looks bad, though.
Let down games are a thing, and they did end up winning by 20.
He ended up accepting an offer from Ohio U and he now plays for the Bobcats and he's started showing up in highlights!
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14056030
What a cool thing for that young man as well as the family
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Meh.
Their luck had to run out at some point. And oh btw: go Buckeyes in two weeks, assuming we handle Indiana/PSU.
I do like how CBS's coverage of Ala Vs LSU is deciding the 4th play off spot ignoring pac 12 entirely and anyone who isn't SEC! Thank god they at least lost the idea that Ole Miss could be in the play off.
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Franklin has never beat a ranked team, and Donovan still isn't fired. You're fine.
SEC fans don't even like CBS's coverage.
Vern and Gary are the worst.
Most people mute the game and just listen to Eli Gold because they're so fucking bad.
Edit: Mostly Vern. Vern stahppp pls.
Even if Notre Dame and Baylor keep winning (or Oklahoma State I guess maybe?), I would be surprised if the SEC got left out of the CFP entirely. Clemson at #1, Ohio State at #2 (potentially iffy because still some tough games coming up), then you have your choice of 2 of a) 1 loss Notre Dame that barely lost to #1 Clemson (on the road too I think), b) undefeated Baylor or Oklahoma State, c) 1-loss SEC champ (Alabama or Florida), d) whoever comes out of the PAC 12 (1 or 2 loss Stanford or 1 loss Utah). It is not unreasonable that the PAC 12 would be left out, nor is it unreasonable that the SEC would be left out (though they won't, because SEC).
I think that realistically, Clemson is basically in, as well as the winner of the SEC (assuming either Alabama or Florida win out, which I feel is pretty likely). One spot will go to either Notre Dame or a PAC 12 champ Stanford, the other to an undefeated Big 12 champion or Ohio State if they finish unbeaten.
My personal prediction is Clemson, Ohio State, Alabama and Notre Dame. The Big 12 is won by Baylor in an undefeated season, but their terrible strength of schedule is punished by the CFP committee. Stanford wins the PAC 12 but is sitting at 2 losses and left out as well.
-edit- Changed the wording of my first sentence because I worked through the possibilities and remembered the history of the CFP committee.
It sounds like things have been building up for a while on this.
Undefeated Clemson
Undefeated Big Ten champion
Undefeated Big 12 champion
One Loss SEC champion
One loss Notre Dame
One loss Big Ten champion
One loss Clemson (I'm aware this doesn't really make sense, but ratings and if they lose it's going to be baaaaaad)
One loss PAC-12 Champion
One loss Big 12 champion
Non-champion Ohio State (12-1 with loss to Iowa better than 11-1 with loss to Michigan)
Non-champion 11-1 LSU, assuming Alabama wins SEC
Two loss P5 champion (Michigan #1 of current two loss teams)
Undefeated Houston
Things start getting interesting if the Big Ten champ has one loss, or if Iowa defeats a one loss East division champ (no idea who that would be if Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State all end up with one loss). Iowa is currently ranked below Baylor and I think would be unlikely to pass them unless they defeated a previously undefeated Ohio State in the Big Ten title game. My version of your ranking list is below.
Undefeated Clemson
Undefeated Big Ten champion (if Ohio State finishes regular season undefeated)
One Loss SEC champion
One loss Notre Dame
One loss Stanford
Undefeated Big 12 champion
Undefeated Iowa (if East division champion enters the game with one or more losses)
One loss Utah
One loss Big Ten champion
One loss Big 12 champion
Non-champion Ohio State (12-1 with loss to Iowa better than 11-1 with loss to Michigan)
Non-champion 11-1 LSU, assuming Alabama wins SEC
Two loss P5 champion (Michigan #1 of current two loss teams)
Undefeated Houston
That is quite possibly true, Iowa looks to move up at least two or three spots to 6 or 7 after this week's results, as a rough guess. For some reason I had thought they were lower. So an undefeated Big Ten champ is probably second place, though I do still think an undefeated Big 12 champ would get left out, those out of conference schedules are pathetic.
My apologies for getting the Iowa thing wrong, and thanks for making me take another look at things.
Big Ten East scenarios do not include a three way one loss situation anymore. Basically:
If MSU or OSU wins out, they win the East.
If Michigan wins out and OSU beats MSU, they create the Iowa QB Bowl*.
*Barring a stunning Iowa collapse, they have to lose twice while Wisconsin wins out to not take the West.
As for an undefeated Big 12 champion, I think such a team would have been in a better position if TCU had beaten Oklahoma State. TCU at least played Minnesota, which is not good this year but does belong to a Power 5 conference. If Baylor wins out, that puts TCU at 2-3 losses, OU at 2-4 losses and Ok. St. at 1-2 losses. If Ok. St. wins out, then Baylor is at 1-3 losses, OU at 2-4 losses and TCU at 1-3 losses. Either way those three wins are likely to be the only quality wins on the champion's resume, with the next best win for any of those teams being WVU, Texas Tech and Texas who are all struggling to reach bowl eligibility. I personally still think a one loss Notre Dame or one loss Pac-12 or SEC champion would be a better choice. Stanford has Notre Dame and Northwestern on the schedule, Utah has Michigan, Alabama has Wisconsin, Florida has FSU. If LSU somehow ended up winning the SEC then I would put an undefeated Big 12 champ ahead of them since Syracuse is not a compelling Power 5 opponent, but at least LSU put a Power 5 team on the schedule.
Of course my biases are showing in this stream of thought, because I don't like the idea of a team that didn't even schedule a non-conference game against a Power 5 team getting into the playoff. I would really prefer if the committee rewarded tougher schedules.
If this goes through and this weekend's game against BYU is canceled, it will cost the school $1M in penalties. There's also not much the school can do in response, considering the ramifications of punishing the players (simply put, if they strip scholarships from the players, it would blow even more holes in the idea that these players aren't employees.)