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The Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth - Greed is Good

StericaSterica YesRegistered User, Moderator mod
edited November 2015 in Social Entropy++
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WARNING: The Binding of Isaac leans very heavily on gross-out imagery and the occasional ancient meme for humor. A lot of people find the game enjoyable in spite of that, but for others the constant barrage of piss, blood, and feces is too much. So...don't say we didn't warn you.

Okay so a few years ago, Edmund McMillen and Florian Himsl made a quick and dirty flash game as McMillen wanted a fun thing to work on after the arduous development that was Super Meat Boy (note: Himsl is not part of Team Meat and this is not a Team Meat game!). So in about two months the duo released the Binding of Isaac, and then a month or so later came the Wrath of the Lamb expansion because McMillen's wife loved the game and wanted more content. To be very quick, the game is basically like the dungeons from the first Legend of Zelda. The difference is that the game has permadeath, random layouts, and a ton of random items you can find to make your character grossly overpowered. As you play you unlock new levels, items, and characters to keep things interesting. The game was a slow burn, taking a bit to really get popular, but it eventually took off like a rocket. People plunged hundreds of hours into it, and they wanted more.

The problem was that BoI was made in Flash, and they were already reaching the upper limits of how much they could add to the game (although this year Himsl did release a patch/mini-expansion he'd been working on) and there were other issues that kept the game from improving like native controller support. So McMillen got together with the people at Nicalis, and they worked with Himsl to translate his code and give the game a proper release. The result was the Binding of Isaac: Rebirth, a combination of remake and expansion pack that gave the game a superior engine with improved graphics, controller support, and a lot of new bells and whistles like tons of new content. Releasing last year, the game was definitely a hit with fans, providing even more hours of dungeon crawling weirdness.

It didn't take long for McMillen to announce an expansion, and that is Afterbirth. Besides standard features like new characters, items, and enemies, the game also features a whole new way to play via Greed Mode. This is basically like a Horde Mode where you fight waves of enemies followed by a boss wave with breaks to buy items. The game also adds daily runs, which are seeds that give you one shot to play for the highest score (the game features a scoring system now, by the way), although you can do more runs after you die that just don't go up on the leaderboard. There's also apparently more stuff still locked away, and Edmund's playing some kind of game as to how to unlock it, so that's something else to be excited for, I guess.

Rebirth is basically everywhere: PC/Mac, Xbox One, PS4, Vita, New 3DS (NOT on other 3DS systems), and Wii U. Afterbirth is currently only available for the PC/Mac, but it's coming to other hardware starting with PS4/Vita at some point later this year. The PC or Mac is probably your best bet because it gets everything first and you can also mod the game to extend the lifespan or just cheat for unlocks if you don't wanna do goddamn Lost runs.

Quick and Dirty FAQ

What happened to the music?

McMillen and DannyB have stopped working together, so Rebirth got a new soundtrack. If you really miss the old soundtrack, then here is a guide to change it.

What does [X] do?

This site will be your cheat sheet for all items.

How do I unlock-

Here you go.

Is there online co-op?

Nope, still local only.

What do the symbols under my collectibles mean?

Crossed-Out Trophy: You can't earn achievements during this run (seeded run or most challenges)
DR: Means you're on a Daily Run.
Red Pentagram: Hard Mode
Shoe: This Daily Run or Challenge ends at the Mom fight.
Heart: This Daily Run or Challenge ends at the Mom's Heart or It Lives fight.
Sword: This Daily Run or Challenge ends at the Satan Fight.
Cross: This Daily Run or Challenge ends at the Isaac fight.
Filled Box: This Daily Run or Challenge ends at the ??? fight.
Empty Box: This Daily Run or Challenge ends at the Lamb Fight.
Brimstone Icon: This Daily Run or Challenge ends at the Mega Satan fight.

What happened to my saves in Afterbirth!?

Look at the bottom of the screen for an import option. Note that things are a bit buggy and you will probably get a bunch of achievements you may have no legitimately earned. This is to be fixed sometime this week, hopefully.

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  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    This game's cool. I'm also real bad at it.

  • SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    Deadeye brings the list of reasons to take soy milk up to about 3 now, just so you all know. It's pretty good

    My friend is working on a roguelike game you can play if you want to. (It has free demo)
  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    I've heard soy milk can now get even more tears up effects, but going too far crashes the game

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  • SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    Damn, was just 2 minutes short for the new boss with a chaos card

    My friend is working on a roguelike game you can play if you want to. (It has free demo)
  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    I'm doing MUCH better in Afterbirth than I ever did in the game prior. I think I'm up to a 5 streak? From a -20?

    Pretty smokin'

  • facetiousfacetious a wit so dry it shits sandRegistered User regular
    edited November 2015
    This was a good excuse to get back into the game. Played four games since buying Afterbirth, won only one - though granted, the last two were me rushing to try to get the Boss Rush.

    Right now I think I'm going to focus on finally getting every boss kill with every character, and/or unlocking the lost, but I might want to dip in Greed mode a bit too.

    Edit: I don't suppose this version added a symbol to the character select screen for having beaten Mega Satan? It still bothers me that it doesn't. I only beat it once (on my first attempt!) so I want a visible reminder of how badass I am.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    There is a symbol now for beating Mega Satan, and they also added unlocks for each character beating him. However, they're co-op babies which may be 100% irrelevant to you.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Also, there was a patch today that added the missing items and such, fixed some things, and balanced stuff.

    Azazel got a nerf, but it was a damage nerf and it's bugged so basically do not play Azazel. Also Box of Friends got nerfed to four charges so Lilith is SOMEWHAT weaker in Greed and pretty bad in regular.

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  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    I've been getting way more companions on runs since getting the expansions and very few damage up items and it makes me sad.

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  • HjorvarthrHjorvarthr Registered User regular
    Also, there was a patch today that added the missing items and such, fixed some things, and balanced stuff.

    Azazel got a nerf, but it was a damage nerf and it's bugged so basically do not play Azazel. Also Box of Friends got nerfed to four charges so Lilith is SOMEWHAT weaker in Greed and pretty bad in regular.

    good thing I completed all of Azael's post it note before this

  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    I've been playing Afterbirth at home and regular Rebirth on my commute to and from work on my 3DS. Aside from a bit of occasional slowdown, the 3DS version is super good! I hope Afterbirth comes out for it too.

  • SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    I had a triple a battery run with Lilith and using box of friends on every room I still felt pretty weak. I can't imagine her with a 4 room charge

    My friend is working on a roguelike game you can play if you want to. (It has free demo)
  • The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    i've been playing rebirth on my ps4 but I only just got it so hopefully by the time I finish it afterbirth is out!

    it's a fun game that I was surprised I like it as much as I do

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  • WyvernWyvern Registered User regular
    SLyM wrote: »
    I had a triple a battery run with Lilith and using box of friends on every room I still felt pretty weak. I can't imagine her with a 4 room charge
    Lilith was definitely not weak with the two-charge. She had kind of a weird power curve, but she was overall pretty strong. Maybe even one of the strongest (she needs fewer big tear modifiers than most to have acceptable damage in boss fights, and consistency is very powerful in this game...that's why Azazel was so good even though he tended to be worse than average once he was fully kitted out in the endgame).

    With four charges...well, she has to be at least DECENT, because Incubus isn't that much of a liability and she still has an excellent boss spike, but I'm worried that exploring floors will be tedious now. I wish they had at least stopped at three charges.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    I think one issue is that the game is weirdly buggy and she's not always starting with Cambion Conception, which has a small chance when hit to spawn a new, permanent Incubus. In a full run, you should be spawning at least one extra familiar that way.

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  • HjorvarthrHjorvarthr Registered User regular
    the worst feeling

    running into a curse room, hit a button, and your 999 donation machine spawns before you realize it and it blows up

  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Hjorvarthr wrote: »
    the worst feeling

    running into a curse room, hit a button, and your 999 donation machine spawns before you realize it and it blows up

    Blows up? Like permanently?

  • SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    It goes back down to 0. That's why you should always bomb it once after getting to 999

    My friend is working on a roguelike game you can play if you want to. (It has free demo)
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    So was there a final word on what the 'story' of Isaac is or is it all just internet theory?

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    SLyM wrote: »
    It goes back down to 0. That's why you should always bomb it once after getting to 999

    holy crap
    So was there a final word on what the 'story' of Isaac is or is it all just internet theory?

    naked baby goes in basement to escape mother driven crazy by satan who slaughtered all his pets as well as previous brothers and sisters. dad abandoning them had something to do with it.

    the end!

  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    I think tingle is my least favorite boss, because he's easy but he's also so easy I do a lot of real dumb shit

  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Basically each character is a way Isaac sees himself. Azazel is especially important, as Isaac seems himself as corrupt and presumably kills himself leading to ??? and the Lost. It's hinted at that his mother trying to kill him is all in his head, shown by the missing poster.

    Someone did a big write-up that Edmund linked, but I don't have it handy.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    Is the new stuff coming to PS4 at some point?

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    Basically each character is a way Isaac sees himself. Azazel is especially important, as Isaac seems himself as corrupt and presumably kills himself leading to ??? and the Lost. It's hinted at that his mother trying to kill him is all in his head, shown by the missing poster.

    Someone did a big write-up that Edmund linked, but I don't have it handy.

    I think the missing poster is because his crazy mother locked him in his room.

    His mother being abusive I don't think is in question at least.

    I like that dad is mega satan. Need dads key to go see him after all.
    So was there a final word on what the 'story' of Isaac is or is it all just internet theory?

    I don't know if there is a proper story. Dad leaving caused your mentally ill mother to become abusive, so you escape into a twisted dream world.

    and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
    but they're listening to every word I say
  • facetiousfacetious a wit so dry it shits sandRegistered User regular
    Oh yeah, that's why I never take Nine Lives. Fuck that item.

    I only took it because I got a devil deal with it and Guppy's Collar together on like floor 2, I figured it gave me super good odds for Guppy. Never got the third. :(

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    Real strong, facetious.

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  • WyvernWyvern Registered User regular
    edited November 2015
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    SLyM wrote: »
    It goes back down to 0. That's why you should always bomb it once after getting to 999

    holy crap
    So was there a final word on what the 'story' of Isaac is or is it all just internet theory?

    naked baby goes in basement to escape mother driven crazy by satan who slaughtered all his pets as well as previous brothers and sisters. dad abandoning them had something to do with it.

    the end!
    If we're talking seriously about this...
    My head-canon based on the Mega Satan ending:

    -Dad and Mom are married.
    -They lose a ton of pregnancies to miscarriages.
    -Their first child to come to term is Maggie, who is much beloved.
    -Something happens to Maggie.
    -Isaac is born, but is unwanted.
    -Circumstances surrounding the death of Maggie and/or birth of Isaac drives Dad away.
    -Mom blames Isaac for breaking up the family/not living up to Maggie and neglects/abuses him (but he doesn't know anything else).
    -Mom finally snaps and tries to kill Isaac.
    -Isaac goes insane hiding from Mom and is never seen again, presumably suffocating locked in a chest in the basement.

    Hedge bet: Maggie was the first pregnancy they lost, and the happy photo of Mom, Dad, and Maggie is actually Isaac being raised as "Maggie" (Mom definitely tried this at some point, but I assume it was probably not until after Dad was gone).

    On Ed's blog there's a link to some fan video that he said did a great job of capturing his mindset when he came up with the game, but I forget what's in it.

    EDIT: Oh, I actually remembered that ending slightly wrong.
    There actually is a photo of Dad, Mom, and Isaac all happy together, and only Mom is in the Maggie picture. Which probably favors the idea that Maggie in that picture is Isaac (because it would be weird if Maggie and Dad were around at the same time but not together in the photo, and I don't think Isaac is old enough for Maggie to plausibly have been born after Dad left).

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    facetious wrote: »
    Oh yeah, that's why I never take Nine Lives. Fuck that item.

    I only took it because I got a devil deal with it and Guppy's Collar together on like floor 2, I figured it gave me super good odds for Guppy. Never got the third. :(

    It's good if you have a low health character and get it super early. Usually you can make up the 1 or 2 hearts you lose pretty quickly.

    and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
    but they're listening to every word I say
  • strangelightingstrangelighting Registered User regular
    edited November 2015
    facetious wrote: »
    Oh yeah, that's why I never take Nine Lives. Fuck that item.
    . :(

    Whaaaat? Haven't played that much Afterbirth yet, but I have 100% completion in Rebirth and it's easily one of my favourite items. Has saved me on so many runs, and not just for the Lost and Guppy chance.
    But red hearts containers in rebirth are kind of bad anyway - I try to roll 100% soul hearts most of the time, though Afterbirth's new items has probably changed that. 9 lives is possibly not great for beginners though.

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  • SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    edited November 2015
    9 lives is a good item in almost all circumstances, a great item once you can make it through most boss fights without taking damage

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Nine Lives can be good early on as it lets you abuse the lives for things like more devil deals, and it brings you 2/3 of the way to Guppy.

    In the late game it's obviously less good, but sometimes turning into Guppy can really make up for the loss of red heart.

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  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    JebusUD wrote: »

    I like that dad is mega satan. Need dads key to go see him after all.

    No you don't. That's the way around the way to actually get to mega satan.

  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Wait, how is 9 lives 2/3 of a guppy?
    Also yeah, unless you've somehow had one of those runs where most of your collectibles were health ups, 9 lives is usually a good choice.
    Losing only 1 or 2 hearts for all the extra lives it gives you is totally worth it.

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    JebusUD wrote: »

    I like that dad is mega satan. Need dads key to go see him after all.

    No you don't. That's the way around the way to actually get to mega satan.

    You have to do the other way to unlock "Dad's key". I think the implication is that the items are sort of the same. Both imply dad = satan.

    and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
    but they're listening to every word I say
  • facetiousfacetious a wit so dry it shits sandRegistered User regular
    edited November 2015
    Okay I just pulled off a hilarious combo.

    I picked up Lil Larva a while ago (gives blue flies when destroying poop), and now in Sheol I had a bunch of coins and picked up a Wheel of Fortune, spawned a slot machine and just went to town on it. Eventually picked up everything it dropped, including... A Card Against Humanity.

    There was a conveniently large room nearby, so I filled it up with poop and now I have like 100 blue flies.

    I only wish I'd waited until just before the boss room to do this, but I imagine I'll still have a bunch left at the end.

    Edit: Woo, I beat Mega Satan for the second time! And now I have a symbol to prove it!!

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  • DixonDixon Screwed...possibly doomed CanadaRegistered User regular
    I just had a really good combo.

    The Party bombs which gives a chance on explosions dropping items and the bomber man upgrade which gives the explosion a cross effect with 5 explosions.

    I was able to get all my items to 99 within 3 levels. It was nuts

  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Haha I got Head of the Keeper on the Pay to Win challenge. Also Contract From Below made it much easier.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    tech x is so good

  • GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    I've heard soy milk can now get even more tears up effects, but going too far crashes the game

    Yesterday's daily confirmed that it works beautifully with ludovico. It does weaker hits, but way more frequently. So your dps goes way up.

    Been playing Keeper, but he's such a garbage character. You need swallowed penny/piggy bank to really get anywhere.

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  • GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    JebusUD wrote: »
    facetious wrote: »
    Oh yeah, that's why I never take Nine Lives. Fuck that item.

    I only took it because I got a devil deal with it and Guppy's Collar together on like floor 2, I figured it gave me super good odds for Guppy. Never got the third. :(

    It's good if you have a low health character and get it super early. Usually you can make up the 1 or 2 hearts you lose pretty quickly.

    It's also a total game changer for The Lost.

    Starting with holy mantle certainly helps, too.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited November 2015
    Keeper is probably my new least favorite character, finally taking Maggie off her throne. Slow movement speed, shitty tears, and low fixed HP? Fuck yeah!

    He's better after you unlock some things, but BOY is requiring one to beat shit with a bad character to make them less bad such awful backwards design.

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