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As cool as winter, as hot as summer[Harry Dresden]-Battle Grounds is out!

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    I am rounding the bend on Death Masks and wanted to ask, what would be the ideal place to slot in Side Jobs? I would imagine the stories take place at different points on the timeline, so is there a good place to read it that wouldn't create too many spoilers or whatever?

  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    edited August 2017
    If I recall correctly, there's a little blurb before each story in Side Jobs that tells you exactly where it falls on the overall timeline.

    I know the first story in Side Jobs takes place before the events of Storm Front. The second story takes place between Death Masks and Blood Rites.

    I think the rest of the stories take place after Blood Rites.

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  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    You can only read the first 2 shorts if you read it after Death Masks. Which is perfect timing if you want to start it ASAP (not counting the first story, before book 1).

    It came out after Changes if you want to read it then, but most of the stories take place before then. They pretty much slot between each book if you want do that, just pay attention to the blurb that RT800 mentioned of when it's happening.

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  • CantideCantide Registered User regular
    When I did a series relisten for my wife (her first time through), I used http://dresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/The_Dresden_Files to determine when to switch to Side Jobs between books. It's got a Chronology section that includes all the short stories and no spoilers.

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  • ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    He IS slipping as the series goes.

    Don't turn into GRRM, Butcher!

    If you're not already reading them, I recommend Ben Aaronovich's Peter Grant / Rivers of London books. It's another "He's a wizard! Who solves crimes!" series. It's pretty great.

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  • abotkinabotkin Registered User regular
    Man, I got stupid excited for a minute because I'd missed the thread's conversation back in May, so I saw 100 new posts and thought "That has to be a new book, that's way too many posts for just a random bump." And now I'm sad.

    I really miss the time when Butcher could pump out two books in a year back when he was doing the Fury quintet.

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  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited August 2017
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    He IS slipping as the series goes.

    Don't turn into GRRM, Butcher!

    If you're not already reading them, I recommend Ben Aaronovich's Peter Grant / Rivers of London books. It's another "He's a wizard! Who solves crimes!" series. It's pretty great.

    Read them (except it seems 6 is out, so 1 behind). Not as good as Dresden as it's Dresden (Nightengale) is always sitting on his ass while Butters (Peter) plods around. Book 5 was especially bad about this. Though they're OK overall.

    I hope Butcher finishes the book this year!

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  • DelmainDelmain Registered User regular
    If we're talking about series that are like Dresden, I liked the Nightside series by Simon R Green. It's more of a hodgepodge universe than Dresden-esque urban fantasy, but the style is very similar.

    And yeah, Butcher is pulling himself a lot of different directions recently. Comics, games, the Windlass series, etc, but there's also the issue of (I think it was actually discussed here before) but he is having a house built for himself and in the meantime he's living with his wife, but it's like her house and he has a mental block on creativity when he's not in like, his own space. The house is way way behind schedule and it basically lines up with his hard time just sitting down and cranking out word count.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    I'm sure it's been said, but the Patricia Briggs Mercy Thompson series is amazing and I mean it's essentially the same universe. Like there's no reason if you squint your eyes you can't tell that it's the same Earth, but one story is in Chicago and one is in Washington State.


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  • HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    In the same urban fantasy genre as Dresden and Mercy Thompson I recommend Kevin Hearne's Iron Druid Chronicles. It has a really great mix of serious stuff and humor.

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  • ArtereisArtereis Registered User regular
    Benedict Jacka's Alex Verus novels are what I use to fill the void.

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  • DelmainDelmain Registered User regular
    Artereis wrote: »
    Benedict Jacka's Alex Verus novels are what I use to fill the void.

    that series is just too short

    they were really good tho

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  • ArtereisArtereis Registered User regular
    They're quick reads but he's also a pretty fast writer.

  • NyysjanNyysjan FinlandRegistered User regular
    edited August 2017
    Delmain wrote: »
    If we're talking about series that are like Dresden, I liked the Nightside series by Simon R Green. It's more of a hodgepodge universe than Dresden-esque urban fantasy, but the style is very similar.

    And yeah, Butcher is pulling himself a lot of different directions recently. Comics, games, the Windlass series, etc, but there's also the issue of (I think it was actually discussed here before) but he is having a house built for himself and in the meantime he's living with his wife, but it's like her house and he has a mental block on creativity when he's not in like, his own space. The house is way way behind schedule and it basically lines up with his hard time just sitting down and cranking out word count.

    Nightside works more on the "everything is true" principle, which can make for interesting stories, but fails to really build a world and makes trying to figure things out all but impossible.
    Still a decent read, just not as good as Dresden Files.
    Though i would not say the styles are similar, beyond that both draw from detective tropes early on.

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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    abotkin wrote: »
    I really miss the time when Butcher could pump out two books in a year back when he was doing the Fury quintet.

    Who knows how much Pokemon and/or Roman Legion fanfic JB had in his early portfolio to draw on to help the plotting and writing process for the Fury books.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Holy shit we're over 3 years since the last book?

    Didn't he supposedly have ideas for another half dozen books followed by an 'Apocalyptic Trilogy' to wrap things up?

    Butcher, damnit, I hope you're either trimming that shit back a little or planning to start releasing two a year, because otherwise this is going to take decades. :-(

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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Forar wrote: »
    Holy shit we're over 3 years since the last book?

    Didn't he supposedly have ideas for another half dozen books followed by an 'Apocalyptic Trilogy' to wrap things up?

    Butcher, damnit, I hope you're either trimming that shit back a little or planning to start releasing two a year, because otherwise this is going to take decades. :-(

    We are on 12? 13? The total series was 20ish I think.

    Dude has written a lot of books.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2017
    Skin Game was book 15 (plus the odds and ends short stories, of course).

    From the FAQ on Butcher's site;
    Q. How many books is Jim writing for the Dresden Files?

    A. 23 or 24: 20 or 21 “case books,” like those we’ve seen so far, capped with a double-length apocalyptic trilogy.

    So another 8 or 9 to go, assuming that's still the plan (which of course can change for any number of reasons).

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  • RingoRingo He/Him Bury me at Lone Tree DenRegistered User regular
    Y'all know Brief Cases is out, right?

    There's three stories in it set post Skin Game, the last of which is exclusive to the collection.

    Let's all discuss how much these stories rock!

    And how much
    Cold Case
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  • NitsuaNitsua Gloucester, VARegistered User regular
    I picked it up late last night for my Nook app... really loved the first short story involving Luccio. What I'm not happy about is that three of the stories were already released in their own Jim Butcher collection - the Bigfoot stories. If he was going to do that anyhow, why release those three on their own?

    Other than that, I'm looking forward to reading a number of new (to me) Dresden file stories. It's been so long since the last actual book that I almost feel like I'm going throuh withdrawal - constantly checking his twitter, his site, and his forums for release details.

  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    I saw this thread updated and thought the new book was out.

    I do need to read brief cases though.


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  • HeirHeir Registered User regular
    edited June 2018
    Ringo wrote: »
    And how much
    Cold Case
    Sucks

    Wut.

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  • NitsuaNitsua Gloucester, VARegistered User regular
    I actually thought you meant Cold Days. I had to look at the contents to notice there was a story with that name. I really hope there isn't a bad story in there. The two I've read so far were pretty good.

  • RingoRingo He/Him Bury me at Lone Tree DenRegistered User regular
    I didn't like that particular story! I felt like it was a real disservice to the characters involved as it moved them in arcs that are disappointing to me.

    In particular
    The Winter Lady being oversexed yet denied release is interesting in how it retroactively reframes Maeve as a character, but who cares about Maeve at this point?

    It seems fantastically unfun to me to read about Molly dealing with it

    And the story does absolutely nothing to advance our knowledge about Carlos' "Galahad" thing. He's just down to bone, and that's the extent of it

    It was easily the least satisfying story in the collection for me

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  • CantideCantide Registered User regular
    I purchased the Brief Cases audiobook as soon as it came out, but I've been hesitant to start it. I'm about 80% certain that Jim Butcher has become a member of the alt right in the time since Skin Game, and I'm worried I'll run into something in one of the newer stories that confirms it.

  • l_gl_g Registered User regular
    edited June 2018
    Cantide wrote: »
    I purchased the Brief Cases audiobook as soon as it came out, but I've been hesitant to start it. I'm about 80% certain that Jim Butcher has become a member of the alt right in the time since Skin Game, and I'm worried I'll run into something in one of the newer stories that confirms it.

    I'm scared to ask because I have never looked him up on social media. Is this like Orson Scott Card, where one day (was it in the 90s?) he just goes publishes a hugely hateful thing and proceeds to harp on it or become even more hardline on it ever after? Because ugh.

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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    edited June 2018
    Cantide wrote: »
    I purchased the Brief Cases audiobook as soon as it came out, but I've been hesitant to start it. I'm about 80% certain that Jim Butcher has become a member of the alt right in the time since Skin Game, and I'm worried I'll run into something in one of the newer stories that confirms it.

    Uh, where did you get this idea?

    Edit:

    His twitter is so boring that I fell asleep looking at it. Mostly "I am playing overwatch" or my nerdy niece or Justice League was trash.

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  • WhiteZinfandelWhiteZinfandel Registered User regular
    Nitsua wrote: »
    I picked it up late last night for my Nook app... really loved the first short story involving Luccio. What I'm not happy about is that three of the stories were already released in their own Jim Butcher collection - the Bigfoot stories. If he was going to do that anyhow, why release those three on their own?

    Other than that, I'm looking forward to reading a number of new (to me) Dresden file stories. It's been so long since the last actual book that I almost feel like I'm going throuh withdrawal - constantly checking his twitter, his site, and his forums for release details.

    It's been so long since the last actual book that I went through withdrawal, had a minor relapse with short stories, went through withdrawal again, and have now been clean long enough that I no longer twitch when law enforcement walks by think about Harry unless I get a notification here.

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  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka What Would Nyarlathotep Do? Registered User regular
    edited June 2018
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Cantide wrote: »
    I purchased the Brief Cases audiobook as soon as it came out, but I've been hesitant to start it. I'm about 80% certain that Jim Butcher has become a member of the alt right in the time since Skin Game, and I'm worried I'll run into something in one of the newer stories that confirms it.

    Uh, where did you get this idea?

    Edit:

    His twitter is so boring that I fell asleep looking at it. Mostly "I am playing overwatch" or my nerdy niece or Justice League was trash.

    I think it might be a walk, but here's at least part of the sitch from what I remember.
    So from 2014-2017(?) in the Hugo Awards a couple groups of alt-right, anti-minority, anti-LGBT voting groups got together with the intent on gaming the Hugo Award nominations so that the vast majority of the nominations to be picked to win would be almost exclusively by white-male, often right wing, authors with very little LGBT or minority representation in the books themselves. These were primarily the "Sad Puppies" and the "Rabid Puppies" and they were pretty damn awful about everything, including openly harassing people into not attending the voting and nomination events, and being very publicly racist, sexist, and homophobic. Even their attempts to seem reasonable were anti-representation, stating that they wanted good books "without the politics".

    One of the books selected by them for 2015 was Skin Game. This was also the only time Jim had been nominated for an award for his novels (The Aeronaut's Windlass was nominated the next year). Before the awards, Jim was very silent about being nominated, but in a reply to my asking about it on twitter he seemed to be coy about the whole thing. However, as many authors were pretty openly denouncing them, including some who were picked by them, it came off as too little of a reaction.

    During the Hugo awards Skin Game came up fifth in the voting, behind the option to not give an award. The Sad Puppies, however, have continued to back him, but also he has continued to stay silent on the issue.

    My takeaway has been generally that he's most likely not secretly alt-right, but that there's a fair amount on that side who like him, and no one should be holding their breath for him to denounce them.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2018
    I wouldn't be shocked if that was somehow tied to how he writes his protagonist. An 'old fashioned' kind of guy, while overlooking any aspects they don't like (female characters growing in number and power, Murphy not taking his shit, etc).

    I'm by no means throwing a line in the sand that he's some hardcore secret SJW Paladin throwing holy smites of equality and justice for all, but I can see how the puppies of various sorts might've latched onto his works, but am not quite ready to abandon him as an author for not denouncing them just yet.

    ... god damnit just release Peace Talks already.

    Edit: this is entirely off the cuff and a few beers into the evening, I certainly don't want to nitpick every last bit of the Dresden Files. There are problematic elements for daaaaays, but for now it's generally inoffensive enough to enjoy without feeling too bad about it. I'm just saying that I can see how that element might've drawn a line from A to B.

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  • NitsuaNitsua Gloucester, VARegistered User regular
    And why must groups like that ruin things like puppies??? I mean come on!

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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    At this point it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't want to get involved. I didn't even know which is kind of what most people would think since most wouldn't even pay attention to stuff like that.

    To me seems like he was just being evasive. I am not sure if I would call it proof or he is the camp. Most of these folks don't keep quiet about that shit. So I wouldn't say I would take that as any proof outsome maybe reading into an event what may or may not be there.

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  • WACriminalWACriminal Dying Is Easy, Young Man Living Is HarderRegistered User regular
    Yeah, that reaction is disappointing, BUT there's a lot of ground between "secretly alt-right" and "unwilling to dive head-first into Twitter hell".

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  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited June 2018
    Twitter was a mistake. Again.

    That doesn't hint at anything. Only problem with his reply is it isn't part of Peace Talks, damnit.

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  • WACriminalWACriminal Dying Is Easy, Young Man Living Is HarderRegistered User regular
    That being said, if Butcher did turn out to be secretly alt-right, I can't say it would necessarily come as a huge shock. A disappointment and a frustration, but not a shock.

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  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    Y'know, I started reading the Dresden Files shortly after finishing A Dance With Dragons.

    And I remember thinking, "At least this series will be released with greater regularity. Look how many there are already!"

    So over the course of about 2 months I read all 15 books and now here we are.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    I like Butcher's work but he doesn't have much in the way of literary pretension. The nominal complaint of the Puppies was that stuff like Butcher doesn't get recognized with awards. (It was absolutely a stalking horse, or at best was coopted into one, for racist/sexist exclusionary assholes.) That's generally true as far as it goes and has pretty much always been true. It wouldn't surprise me if Butcher was sympathetic to the nominal statement but not onboard with the rest of it. Also note that his tweet on the matter was really early in the saga before it became super obvious just how bad the puppies were.

    On the other hand, if I were a writer who wrote pulpy style of books and that was my entire livelihood I can understand not wanting to piss off a portion of the fan base for pulpy work. While I'll commend folks like Scalzi and Stross who very publicly told fans of those hateful ideologies to fuck off and keep fucking off forever, I have trouble blaming folks for not wanting to draw that section of the internet hate machine down on their head.

    Just from his writing I'm doubtful of the alt-right complaint. Dresden's outmoded gender views aren't presented in a way where he's almost ever right. He's even quite often wrong to his own detriment. I think part of the reason it is there is because it is a classic piece of noir detective trope.

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  • webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    Yea I always enjoyed the chivalry turned on its head bit of the Dresden books, and how Dresden is slowly learning to let it go.

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  • CantideCantide Registered User regular
    A question from his recent AMA:
    Ay Jim.
    Any plans for future collabs with Larry Correia? Just recently finished Monster Hunter Files and thought your addition was unique but fit the tone of that universe well. I'd love to see you write more in that universe, and maybe even have a (not canonical, just for fun) Dresden x MHI crossover.

    His response :
    I hesitate to collab with anyone I don't already hate with a seething passion, since it seems like I wind up there anyway. Plus, I'm like the WORST person in the world to work with.
    I like Larry. I doubt I'd want to do anything beyond a short piece with him. :)

    Correia was the origin of Sad Puppies and an alt right goose. Butcher has mentioned him favorably on his Twitter before, wrote a short story for an anthology of his last year, and made a post once defending the idea of Sad Puppies.

    It’s possible Correia is just an old friend with conflicting politics, but it’s more likely that they share similar beliefs.

  • CantideCantide Registered User regular
    It’s not like I think he’s gonna turn Harry into a Nazi or something, but I think there’s a painfully high chance we get some subtle digs. He already busted out the “trust but verify” line in the Peace Talks preview chapter. The saying wasn’t created by Gamergate, but they sure loved using it, and him choosing it might point to the kind of company he was keeping at the time he wrote it. I’m not going to be surprised to see something like a woman with dyed hair getting a stern lecture from Harry about “how the world really works”, or a female character who turns out to be a “professional victim”.

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