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Live From Milwaukee, It's The [Fourth Republican Presidential Primary Debate]!

AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
edited November 2015 in Debate and/or Discourse
So, we have another GOP debate tonight:
When is the next Republican presidential debate?

The fourth Republican presidential debate will be Tuesday, Nov. 10, live from the Milwaukee Theatre in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The venue has a loaded history: On Oct. 14, 1912, candidate Teddy Roosevelt was shot in the chest by an assassin outside a Milwaukee hotel. Instead of heading to the hospital, he continued to the Milwaukee Auditorium (now the Milwaukee Theatre) to deliver a 90-minute campaign speech. In front of a horrified audience and with the bullet lodged in his rib, he pulled a bloodied 50-page speech with bullet holes in it from his coat pocket and declared, “It takes more than that to kill a bull moose.”

When and how long is the debate?

The prime-time debate will last two hours and begins at 9 Eastern time. There are a few changes to the format: Candidates will not make opening statements, but they will have more time to make arguments. For an initial answer to a question, they get 90 seconds, in addition to 60 seconds for rebuttals. There will be short closing statements at the end of the debate.

How can I watch the debate?

It will air on Fox Business Network and be streamed for free on foxbusiness.com. No cable subscription is necessary. To capitalize on the ratings surges from earlier debates, FBN is also widening access to the channel for its pay-TV partners such as DirecTV. This will allow viewers who normally can’t access the network a chance to tune into the debate.

Does this debate have a theme?

This debate will pay attention to the same topics as the previous debate: jobs, taxes, the “general health of the economy,” and international issues.

What about the furor over the last Republican debate?

So far, not much has come of the campaigns’ meeting to iron out tension over the last debate and future formatting. Even after labeling the previous debate a “disaster,” the Republican National Committee has held firm in its commitment to oversee the schedule. Jeb Bush’s idea of adding a Telemundo debate was met with dismissiveness, and the Ben Carson campaign’s idea of using social media companies for broadcasting rights has not borne results. The candidates have not been able to unify behind a plan to reorganize the structure of the debates.

Who will participate?

The qualifications for this debate have altered the field of top candidates, irritating those eliminated from the main stage and those already part of the second-tier group. Because they failed to meet the 2.5 percent polling cutoff, Chris Christie and Mike Huckabee have been knocked down to the 7 p.m. debate, and Lindsey Graham and George Pataki have been eliminated from both stages. All of this changes the look of the main draw, with just eight candidates fielding questions.

Who will participate in the 7 p.m. debate?

A field of four will debate for an hour. After Huckabee and Christie take their places at new lecterns, two of the usual suspects will join them: Bobby Jindal and Rick Santorum.

How did Fox Business Network decide who will be in the debate?

For the main draw, Fox Business Network used just four recent polls by Fox News, The Wall Street Journal, Investor’s Business Daily and Quinnipiac and gave a spot to anyone with an average of at least 2.5 percent. The 7 p.m. debate includes four candidates polling at least 1 percent in a single poll.

Will questions about the veracity of some pieces of Ben Carson’s personal story affect the debate?

Now that Carson has earned a shared poll-leader status with Donald Trump, investigations into his biography are more contentious. A POLITICO report on Friday that debunked Carson’s claim that West Point offered him a scholarship followed suspicions of another possible invention: the seminal incident in which he tried to stab a friend as a teenager. If not questioned on the news by the moderators, Trump will almost surely broach the subject himself.

Where will they stand on stage?

Trump is still the highest-polling candidate and will stand center-stage for the debate, though, as with the last debate, an even number of candidates means Carson will also appear in the center. To Trump’s right will be Marco Rubio, Bush and John Kasich. To Carson’s left will be Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina and Rand Paul.

Who will moderate the debate?

There will be three moderators: FBN anchors Maria Bartiromo and Neil Cavuto and Wall Street Journal editor-in-chief Gerard Baker. Before Cavuto was a Fox News staple (he hosts a show every afternoon at 4 p.m.), he interned in Jimmy Carter’s White House.

How will libertarians react to the debate?

That is apparently a question Fox Business Network is interested in, even with Paul limping through primary season. John Stossel will host a special edition of “Stossel” on FBN at midnight with a studio full of libertarians reacting to the debate.

When is the fifth Republican debate?

The fifth debate is scheduled for Tuesday, Dec. 15 in Las Vegas — the last Republican debate of the calendar year. It will be hosted by CNN and Salem Radio, meaning the ubiquitous Hugh Hewitt will return again to grill Republicans on the newest campaign controversies. Wolf Blitzer will moderate.

When is the next Democratic debate?

The next Democratic debate will be in Des Moines, Iowa, on Saturday, Nov. 14. It will be hosted by CBS News, KCCI-TV and the Des Moines Register at Drake University and is the only Iowa-based debate before the Feb. 1 caucuses.

Unlike last time, Fox Business will have a free stream.

So, who will prevail - the fabulist Ben Carson or the fabulous Donald Trump? Will ¿Jeb? salt the earth under Marco Rubio? Will Chris Christie play nice at the kids' table? Will there be a guest appearance by failed candidate Scott Walker?

Edit: Cleaned up the quote for readability.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited November 2015
    http://www.foxbusiness.com/live-coverage/fox-business-network-wall-street-journal-gop-debates?intcmp=whatshot

    The stream page proper is already up though nothing will be streamed til the JV debate starts.

    Edit: Never mind it's totally streaming now.

    Quid on
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    DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/neil-cavuto-gop-debate-215670

    I don't have to tell you lot just how bad it is for the moderator to be giving tips to the candidates he's moderating

    sure it's super obvious but could he at least have a pretense of being neutral

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    I seriously doubt Carson will see gains from this, since his demeanor is so not suited to a debate with this many participants, unless he's given a LOT of time. Which is possible, but Trump will still be given more.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Delzhand wrote: »
    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/neil-cavuto-gop-debate-215670

    I don't have to tell you lot just how bad it is for the moderator to be giving tips to the candidates he's moderating

    sure it's super obvious but could he at least have a pretense of being neutral

    Eh, "don't be whiny babies" isn't really a hot tip giving anyone an edge.

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    http://www.foxbusiness.com/live-coverage/fox-business-network-wall-street-journal-gop-debates?intcmp=whatshot

    The stream page proper is already up though nothing will be streamed til the JV debate starts.

    Edit: Never mind it's totally streaming now.

    Do they know the feed is up? Will we get some footage of Graham adjusting his bra and joking with people off camera in an eerily accurate replication of human behavior?

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Actually, it's pronounced "mill-e-wah-que" which is Algonquin for "the good land"

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    DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Delzhand wrote: »
    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/neil-cavuto-gop-debate-215670

    I don't have to tell you lot just how bad it is for the moderator to be giving tips to the candidates he's moderating

    sure it's super obvious but could he at least have a pretense of being neutral

    Eh, "don't be whiny babies" isn't really a hot tip giving anyone an edge.

    yeah on second read it sounds more like "oh god not in the face"

    i want to see cavuto accused of being the liberal media

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    Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    so who's in which debate? i know a couple of people dropped from the big kid table*, don't think anyone has dropped out altogether recently though.

    *cause lets face it, there's no adults on this side of the fence.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    http://www.foxbusiness.com/live-coverage/fox-business-network-wall-street-journal-gop-debates?intcmp=whatshot

    The stream page proper is already up though nothing will be streamed til the JV debate starts.

    Edit: Never mind it's totally streaming now.

    Do they know the feed is up? Will we get some footage of Graham adjusting his bra and joking with people off camera in an eerily accurate replication of human behavior?

    Oh it's not the debate stage right now. Just the pregame stuff at the news desk.

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    Big DookieBig Dookie Smells great! Houston, TXRegistered User regular
    Wraith260 wrote: »
    so who's in which debate? i know a couple of people dropped from the big kid table*, don't think anyone has dropped out altogether recently though.

    *cause lets face it, there's no adults on this side of the fence.

    It's in the OP, although you'd be forgiven for missing it in the wall of text:
    The qualifications for this debate have altered the field of top candidates, irritating those eliminated from the main stage and those already part of the second-tier group. Because they failed to meet the 2.5 percent polling cutoff, Chris Christie and Mike Huckabee have been knocked down to the 7 p.m. debate, and Lindsey Graham and George Pataki have been eliminated from both stages. All of this changes the look of the main draw, with just eight candidates fielding questions.
    Who will participate in the 7 p.m. debate?
    A field of four will debate for an hour. After Huckabee and Christie take their places at new lecterns, two of the usual suspects will join them: Bobby Jindal and Rick Santorum.

    So Huckabee, Christie, Jindal, and Santorum at the kids table. The main debate will feature Trump, Carson, Rubio, Bush, Kasich, Cruz, Fiorina, and Paul.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Wraith260 wrote: »
    so who's in which debate? i know a couple of people dropped from the big kid table*, don't think anyone has dropped out altogether recently though.

    *cause lets face it, there's no adults on this side of the fence.

    Graham and Pataki are out.

    JV squad is Christie (relegated), Huckabee (relegated), Jindal, and Santorum.

    Varsity is Trump (center), Carson (center), ¿Jeb?, Rubio, Cruz, Fiorina, Kasich, and Paul.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Actually, it's pronounced "mill-e-wah-que" which is Algonquin for "the good land"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRCTc6stICc

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    "Those youngsters don't care about government ethics" thanks whatever the hell your name is old dude.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    So, relevant question to you all: what is your choice of ammunition in the war you're about to declare on your liver?

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    LadaiLadai Registered User regular
    Fun fact: Both of the Fox Business Network anchors who are moderating this debate (Bartiromo and Cavuto) used to work at CNBC.

    There is no escaping the liberal media.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    So, relevant question to you all: what is your choice of ammunition in the war you're about to declare on your liver?

    A variety pack of Angry Orchard ciders. Though without the terrible intentionally dry ones.

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    Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    So, relevant question to you all: what is your choice of ammunition in the war you're about to declare on your liver?

    i did consider stocking up on some booze for this debate, but ultimately decided against it. am sure i shall regret that decision.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    So, relevant question to you all: what is your choice of ammunition in the war you're about to declare on your liver?

    A variety pack of Angry Orchard ciders. Though without the terrible intentionally dry ones.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Dry is literally the worst thing any drink can be.

    I ate an engineer
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    KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2015
    I'm fighting off a really nasty cold that's kept me down for the past 3 days, so it's probably not a good idea to drink as much as I would need for the debate.


    EDIT: I do have some various beers in the fridge just in case though. Leftover bud light from... some party that I'm not sure why it's in my fridge seems strangely appropriate, shitty as it may be.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    TehSloth wrote: »
    Is this still the debate thread?
    Because the RNC is apparently wifi trolling.

    Or just use 4G?

    I imagine you won't wanna be on that network anyway since the ssid and password have been blasted all over twitter and the news now.

    Thankfully that doesn't really make the network less secure. It just opens it up to anybody within range hopping on it and making it congested and slow.
    All traffic between each device on the network and the AP will still be encrypted with a key unique to each pair.

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    DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    edited November 2015
    I have an Oakshire Espresso Stout that I'll be nursing during the first half. Cracking into a couple of Costco IPAs and Brown Ales if the stout doesn't last.

    For the record, Costco craft beer is pretty damn good.

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    LadaiLadai Registered User regular
    So, relevant question to you all: what is your choice of ammunition in the war you're about to declare on your liver?

    I have three 16-oz cans of High Life still left in the six-pack ring in the fridge.

    You go to war with the army you have.

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    iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    I filled a growler at the brewery just down the street on my way home. I'm planning on making it through about one pint before I close the stream and go see how much I can drink straight from the mouth of the damn jug.

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    DoctorArch wrote: »
    I have an Oakshire Espresso Stout that I'll be nursing during the first half. Cracking into a couple of Costco IPAs and Brown Ales if the stout doesn't last.

    For the record, Costco craft beer is pretty damn good.

    I get the Oakshire espresso stout all the time, it's super good

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    PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Dry is literally the worst thing any drink can be.

    You had one job, liquid!

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    In case anyone doesn't expect this to be a clusterfuck, one rule I saw that this debate will have is that a candidate will have at least 60 seconds to respond if they are attacked. So I don't expect many actual questions to be asked.

    Especially once you eliminate any *actual* question because Fox Business doesn't want a repeat of the CNBC debate. Or the CNN debate. Or the Fox News debate.

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    Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    Tomanta wrote: »
    In case anyone doesn't expect this to be a clusterfuck, one rule I saw that this debate will have is that a candidate will have at least 60 seconds to respond if they are attacked. So I don't expect many actual questions to be asked.

    Especially once you eliminate any *actual* question because Fox Business doesn't want a repeat of the CNBC debate. Or the CNN debate. Or the Fox News debate.

    man, Hillary is gonna get more time at this debate than she does at the Dem ones. :P

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Gonna take a break from Crafting all the Legacy Void Stars to watch this. At least I got a good warm up tilt inducer to prepare me for more legitimate anger

    Then I think I'll probably chase it with what Boston might end up looking like if any of these ass clowns actually became PotUS

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Wraith260 wrote: »
    Tomanta wrote: »
    In case anyone doesn't expect this to be a clusterfuck, one rule I saw that this debate will have is that a candidate will have at least 60 seconds to respond if they are attacked. So I don't expect many actual questions to be asked.

    Especially once you eliminate any *actual* question because Fox Business doesn't want a repeat of the CNBC debate. Or the CNN debate. Or the Fox News debate.

    man, Hillary is gonna get more time at this debate than she does at the Dem ones. :P

    And she's going to win it without being there.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    I'm expecting everyone but Trump in particular to be vicious to Carson.

    I'm expecting Bush with his more aggressive attitude to be ineffectual and dull.

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    QuarterMasterQuarterMaster Registered User regular
    Just thankful I don't have to go into work tomorrow. If the worst thing the GOP can give me this election is a hangover I'll call that a win.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    I'm expecting everyone but Trump in particular to be vicious to Carson.

    I'm expecting Bush with his more aggressive attitude to be ineffectual and dull.

    Bush will not stop talking about wanting to kill baby Hitler, Trump gives him the thumbs up.

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    What did Rand Paul do to get his polling above 2.5? Most polls have him around 2.

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    Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    I'm expecting everyone but Trump in particular to be vicious to Carson.

    I'm expecting Bush with his more aggressive attitude to be ineffectual and dull.

    Bush will not stop talking about wanting to kill baby Hitler, Trump gives him the thumbs up.

    mid way through the debate Bush transitions to talking about killing baby Trump without realising.

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    What did Rand Paul do to get his polling above 2.5? Most polls have him around 2.

    he is alive and breathing during a primary in which jeb bush is nosediving

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    As a side note looking at the polls going in... does it seem like Trump has a pretty solid ceiling around 25-30%? I realize Carson appears similarly crazy to most of us, but he's got the religious crazy more than the asshole crazy of Trump. So maybe they're not actually pulling from the same pool, its just they both have whack job bases and that makes up like 50% of the GOP primary voters?

    After Iowa I have to figure it will just be those two, Rubio, Cruz and maybe Bush. Maybe Christie since he's term limited and has to be hoping NH goes well.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    What did Rand Paul do to get his polling above 2.5? Most polls have him around 2.

    He hired Wolfram and Hart. Even they couldn't save him, the good news for them is the Senior Partners own his soul now.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    What did Rand Paul do to get his polling above 2.5? Most polls have him around 2.

    He got a 4, 2, 2, 2 in the 4 polls they chose. I'm sure it was on purpose because libertarians are going to be a target audience for FoxBusiness

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    Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    What did Rand Paul do to get his polling above 2.5? Most polls have him around 2.

    He hired Wolfram and Hart. Even they couldn't save him, the good news for them is the Senior Partners own his soul now.

    yeah, he's a GOP candidate. they really should have done a valuation of good before signing onto that deal.

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