Yeah, Iran-Contra wasn't just meddling around in foreign governments which is bad enough, but it was a series of impeachable offenses that got soft pedaled because the country "couldn't handle another failed Presidency" according to the media elites. Reagan and Bush should have been both been kicked out on their ass and imprisoned, though considering Reagan's Alzheimer's I could buy him not actually being jailed.
Speaking of, we had almost definitely a symptomatic Alzheimer's patient as President for at least four years. Wheeeeee!
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Yeah, Iran-Contra wasn't just meddling around in foreign governments which is bad enough, but it was a series of impeachable offenses that got soft pedaled because the country "couldn't handle another failed Presidency" according to the media elites. Reagan and Bush should have been both been kicked out on their ass and imprisoned, though considering Reagan's Alzheimer's I could buy him not actually being jailed.
Speaking of, we had almost definitely a symptomatic Alzheimer's patient as President for at least four years. Wheeeeee!
Well, and for that I put the responsibility on Reagan and somewhat question just how deep in the weeds Bush the Greater was with all of it. Though the pardons are entirely indefensible.
Similarly, the Gulf of Tonkin is a big black mark against LBJ. But he's still the best President since FDR.
Yeah, Iran-Contra wasn't just meddling around in foreign governments which is bad enough, but it was a series of impeachable offenses that got soft pedaled because the country "couldn't handle another failed Presidency" according to the media elites. Reagan and Bush should have been both been kicked out on their ass and imprisoned, though considering Reagan's Alzheimer's I could buy him not actually being jailed.
Speaking of, we had almost definitely a symptomatic Alzheimer's patient as President for at least four years. Wheeeeee!
Well, and for that I put the responsibility on Reagan and somewhat question just how deep in the weeds Bush the Greater was with all of it. Though the pardons are entirely indefensible.
The man was a former CIA director, and the VP when Reagan started losing his mind. I find it hard to believe he didn't know Reagan's administration was doing or being neck deep in it.
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I really want to hear more about this Sword of Chang.
Ah yes, the fabled sword of General Chang, who held on to conservative values and opposed peace between China and the Federation. He could not handle the idea of old enemies becoming friends. He assassinated the Emperor of China to sabotage the negotiations with the Federation and later died in the plot to assassinate Captain Kirk. He is remembered for his fondness for quoting Shakespeare in its original Chinese.
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If you're still lost, Chang was the klingon villain in Star Trek 5, and the above was a summary of the plot.
I really want to hear more about this Sword of Chang.
Ah yes, the fabled sword of General Chang, who held on to conservative values and opposed peace between China and the Federation. He could not handle the idea of old enemies becoming friends. He assassinated the Emperor of China to sabotage the negotiations with the Federation and later died in the plot to assassinate Captain Kirk. He is remembered for his fondness for quoting Shakespeare in its original Chinese.
Whut
If you're still lost, Chang was the klingon villain in Star Trek 5, and the above was a summary of the plot.
I was about to say I wasn't sure if it was a parody, or if it was an actual plot to Star Trek
So they're late to the party, but the Times and the Washington Post have finally decided to call a lying racist a lying racist. (Particularly the Times, which compares him to McCarthy and Wallace explicitly)
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Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
So they're late to the party, but the Times and the Washington Post have finally decided to call a lying racist a lying racist. (Particularly the Times, which compares him to McCarthy and Wallace explicitly)
And soon we'll have a bunch of tweets from Trump calling them both pathetic losers and demanding for the writers to be fired and to apologize.
I gotta say, though, there's one silver lining about Trump and his tweets. It's all the same dishonest, self congratulating, petty bullying garbage we're used to from Trump, but 140 characters is a lot easier to deal with than any of his long-winded speeches. His tweets are like the diet soda of bullshit. Same Trump taste, fewer words!
As a man who doesn't know his history well... Can someone point me in the right direction to read up on Iran Contra. Public schools failed me pretty hard in this matter and I'm a CS major so after High School I didn't have any more history classes.
I really want to hear more about this Sword of Chang.
It's a pretty funny read, but I'm not sure where he gets that Bush's grandfather was ever elected president.
Senate. Prescott was a Senator.
Ok yeah, it does say that. That's what I thought, but I guess it was one of those things where with the way the name Prescott and the "US President" from the next line down were laid out in the text my brain kept inserting it in place of Senate. I swear I read that sentence at least 5 times.
As a man who doesn't know his history well... Can someone point me in the right direction to read up on Iran Contra. Public schools failed me pretty hard in this matter and I'm a CS major so after High School I didn't have any more history classes.
Basics: There's a Civil War in Nicaragua between the Sardinistas (ruling socialists) and the Contras (right wing rebels) during the 80s (and late 70s). Being in the Cold War, the US and especially the Reagan administration supported the Contras. Contras were particularly brutal (death squads, nun raping, etc) rebels, so Congress banned funding them.
Meanwhile, Iran had some US hostages still and was subject to an arms embargo by the US and other nations.
So the Reagan Administration, definitely up to and including Casper Weinberger (Secretary of Defense), but probably up to and including the Vice President (HW) and President decide that they can kill two highly illegal birds with one stone. They can sell arms to Iran in exchange for releasing the hostages, and then give that off book money to the Contras. A guy named Colonel Oliver North (who you may have heard of since then) was the point man for the operation. Both of these things are explicitly against laws Congress has passed and the President has signed, but who cares, if the President does it, it's not illegal!
Needless to say, it was still pretty illegal. There was a pretty thorough Congressional investigation which condemned the whole thing but did not impeach Reagan. Meanwhile, the minority report from that committee vociferously defended the actions of the Reagan-Bush administration because of the if the President does it, it's not illegal theory. It was written by a Congressman from Wyoming, Dick Cheney. It also led to pretty much everyone involved being indicted on felony charges, usually perjury or obstruction of justice. Except for Reagan and Bush. The latter of whom was conveniently President and pardoned everyone. Hooray! This had no bad consequences in the future whatsoever!
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Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Only thing I would add to that very good summary is that we were not selling arms directly to Iran; the plan was a little sneakier than that. We facilitated a deal where Israel would sell arms to Iran, and we resupplied Israel instead. We also made it very clear to Iran that that's what was going on in order to facilitate the release of their American hostages.
It's a minor distinction but it is something to think about when politicians, particularly politicians on the right, give Israel a big sloppy blowjob.
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Trump at an all-time high at Huffington's national Pollster aggregate after hitting 37 in both Yougov/Economist (443 RVs) and Gravis/One America (523 LVs).
Carson appears to be heading down towards the Cruz/Rubio 10-15 tier and Bush still maintains some space between Fiorina/Paul/Christie and the other garbage.
As a man who doesn't know his history well... Can someone point me in the right direction to read up on Iran Contra. Public schools failed me pretty hard in this matter and I'm a CS major so after High School I didn't have any more history classes.
was wondering how long it would be before that video was posted. to be honest, i'm surprised it took this long. pretty sure its obligatory at any mention of Iran-Contra at this point.
As a man who doesn't know his history well... Can someone point me in the right direction to read up on Iran Contra. Public schools failed me pretty hard in this matter and I'm a CS major so after High School I didn't have any more history classes.
Basics: There's a Civil War in Nicaragua between the Sardinistas (ruling socialists) and the Contras (right wing rebels) during the 80s (and late 70s). Being in the Cold War, the US and especially the Reagan administration supported the Contras. Contras were particularly brutal (death squads, nun raping, etc) rebels, so Congress banned funding them.
Meanwhile, Iran had some US hostages still and was subject to an arms embargo by the US and other nations.
So the Reagan Administration, definitely up to and including Casper Weinberger (Secretary of Defense), but probably up to and including the Vice President (HW) and President decide that they can kill two highly illegal birds with one stone. They can sell arms to Iran in exchange for releasing the hostages, and then give that off book money to the Contras. A guy named Colonel Oliver North (who you may have heard of since then) was the point man for the operation. Both of these things are explicitly against laws Congress has passed and the President has signed, but who cares, if the President does it, it's not illegal!
Needless to say, it was still pretty illegal. There was a pretty thorough Congressional investigation which condemned the whole thing but did not impeach Reagan. Meanwhile, the minority report from that committee vociferously defended the actions of the Reagan-Bush administration because of the if the President does it, it's not illegal theory. It was written by a Congressman from Wyoming, Dick Cheney. It also led to pretty much everyone involved being indicted on felony charges, usually perjury or obstruction of justice. Except for Reagan and Bush. The latter of whom was conveniently President and pardoned everyone. Hooray! This had no bad consequences in the future whatsoever!
Thank you for the tl;dr, I'll probably still pick up the book.
So when I hear people mention that Reagan was one of the best Republican presidents ever they were joking? I've heard from many people that he was (all Republicans, of course).
As a man who doesn't know his history well... Can someone point me in the right direction to read up on Iran Contra. Public schools failed me pretty hard in this matter and I'm a CS major so after High School I didn't have any more history classes.
Basics: There's a Civil War in Nicaragua between the Sardinistas (ruling socialists) and the Contras (right wing rebels) during the 80s (and late 70s). Being in the Cold War, the US and especially the Reagan administration supported the Contras. Contras were particularly brutal (death squads, nun raping, etc) rebels, so Congress banned funding them.
Meanwhile, Iran had some US hostages still and was subject to an arms embargo by the US and other nations.
So the Reagan Administration, definitely up to and including Casper Weinberger (Secretary of Defense), but probably up to and including the Vice President (HW) and President decide that they can kill two highly illegal birds with one stone. They can sell arms to Iran in exchange for releasing the hostages, and then give that off book money to the Contras. A guy named Colonel Oliver North (who you may have heard of since then) was the point man for the operation. Both of these things are explicitly against laws Congress has passed and the President has signed, but who cares, if the President does it, it's not illegal!
Needless to say, it was still pretty illegal. There was a pretty thorough Congressional investigation which condemned the whole thing but did not impeach Reagan. Meanwhile, the minority report from that committee vociferously defended the actions of the Reagan-Bush administration because of the if the President does it, it's not illegal theory. It was written by a Congressman from Wyoming, Dick Cheney. It also led to pretty much everyone involved being indicted on felony charges, usually perjury or obstruction of justice. Except for Reagan and Bush. The latter of whom was conveniently President and pardoned everyone. Hooray! This had no bad consequences in the future whatsoever!
Thank you for the tl;dr, I'll probably still pick up the book.
So when I hear people mention that Reagan was one of the best Republican presidents ever they were joking? I've heard from many people that he was (all Republicans, of course).
Nope, because the Cult of Saint Ronnie is A Thing.
As a man who doesn't know his history well... Can someone point me in the right direction to read up on Iran Contra. Public schools failed me pretty hard in this matter and I'm a CS major so after High School I didn't have any more history classes.
Basics: There's a Civil War in Nicaragua between the Sardinistas (ruling socialists) and the Contras (right wing rebels) during the 80s (and late 70s). Being in the Cold War, the US and especially the Reagan administration supported the Contras. Contras were particularly brutal (death squads, nun raping, etc) rebels, so Congress banned funding them.
Meanwhile, Iran had some US hostages still and was subject to an arms embargo by the US and other nations.
So the Reagan Administration, definitely up to and including Casper Weinberger (Secretary of Defense), but probably up to and including the Vice President (HW) and President decide that they can kill two highly illegal birds with one stone. They can sell arms to Iran in exchange for releasing the hostages, and then give that off book money to the Contras. A guy named Colonel Oliver North (who you may have heard of since then) was the point man for the operation. Both of these things are explicitly against laws Congress has passed and the President has signed, but who cares, if the President does it, it's not illegal!
Needless to say, it was still pretty illegal. There was a pretty thorough Congressional investigation which condemned the whole thing but did not impeach Reagan. Meanwhile, the minority report from that committee vociferously defended the actions of the Reagan-Bush administration because of the if the President does it, it's not illegal theory. It was written by a Congressman from Wyoming, Dick Cheney. It also led to pretty much everyone involved being indicted on felony charges, usually perjury or obstruction of justice. Except for Reagan and Bush. The latter of whom was conveniently President and pardoned everyone. Hooray! This had no bad consequences in the future whatsoever!
Thank you for the tl;dr, I'll probably still pick up the book.
So when I hear people mention that Reagan was one of the best Republican presidents ever they were joking? I've heard from many people that he was (all Republicans, of course).
There are two Reagans. One of them was an awful president that set us up for decades of trickle-down bullshit, crazy budget deficits because revenues went in the toilet, and IOKIYAR awful political moves. Other than Iran-Contra, he also cut AIDS research funding and pretended the epidemic didn't exist, refused to support sanctions on Apartheid-era South Africa, used Social Security as his own rainy day fund... there's a list as long as my leg, and trust me when I say I could go on.
Then there's Saint Ronnie, an imaginary version of Reagan where none of those things ever happened and trickle-down worked.
There's an Onion article on Republicans being ashamed to admit that this entire time they've been saying Reagan, they've really been thinking of Eisenhower.
Do yourself a favor and don't read the tweets connected to that like I did trying to figure out why reporters had bathroom escorts.
So, ummm, why not share with the rest of the class why he's requiring reporters to have bathroom escorts, assuming you found the answer and wish to avoid us sharing your suffering?
Secretly tweeting mean things while on the toilet?
Too much mid-rally fucking going on?
Mean tweet-fucking?
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Do yourself a favor and don't read the tweets connected to that like I did trying to figure out why reporters had bathroom escorts.
So, ummm, why not share with the rest of the class why he's requiring reporters to have bathroom escorts, assuming you found the answer and wish to avoid us sharing your suffering?
Secretly tweeting mean things while on the toilet?
Too much mid-rally fucking going on?
Mean tweet-fucking?
I actually didn't find out why! Just the tweets all connected to hers were by trump fans and I was hurt by the dumb, so hurt.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Do yourself a favor and don't read the tweets connected to that like I did trying to figure out why reporters had bathroom escorts.
So, ummm, why not share with the rest of the class why he's requiring reporters to have bathroom escorts, assuming you found the answer and wish to avoid us sharing your suffering?
Secretly tweeting mean things while on the toilet?
Too much mid-rally fucking going on?
Mean tweet-fucking?
Because Trump doesn't want reporters in with his supporters, because they find out what sort of people support him. The recent case of the BLM protester getting attacked? The reason we found out is because a reporter slipped the leash and went into the crowd.
As a man who doesn't know his history well... Can someone point me in the right direction to read up on Iran Contra. Public schools failed me pretty hard in this matter and I'm a CS major so after High School I didn't have any more history classes.
Basics: There's a Civil War in Nicaragua between the Sardinistas (ruling socialists) and the Contras (right wing rebels) during the 80s (and late 70s). Being in the Cold War, the US and especially the Reagan administration supported the Contras. Contras were particularly brutal (death squads, nun raping, etc) rebels, so Congress banned funding them.
Meanwhile, Iran had some US hostages still and was subject to an arms embargo by the US and other nations.
So the Reagan Administration, definitely up to and including Casper Weinberger (Secretary of Defense), but probably up to and including the Vice President (HW) and President decide that they can kill two highly illegal birds with one stone. They can sell arms to Iran in exchange for releasing the hostages, and then give that off book money to the Contras. A guy named Colonel Oliver North (who you may have heard of since then) was the point man for the operation. Both of these things are explicitly against laws Congress has passed and the President has signed, but who cares, if the President does it, it's not illegal!
Needless to say, it was still pretty illegal. There was a pretty thorough Congressional investigation which condemned the whole thing but did not impeach Reagan. Meanwhile, the minority report from that committee vociferously defended the actions of the Reagan-Bush administration because of the if the President does it, it's not illegal theory. It was written by a Congressman from Wyoming, Dick Cheney. It also led to pretty much everyone involved being indicted on felony charges, usually perjury or obstruction of justice. Except for Reagan and Bush. The latter of whom was conveniently President and pardoned everyone. Hooray! This had no bad consequences in the future whatsoever!
Thank you for the tl;dr, I'll probably still pick up the book.
So when I hear people mention that Reagan was one of the best Republican presidents ever they were joking? I've heard from many people that he was (all Republicans, of course).
Nope, because the Cult of Saint Ronnie is A Thing.
I think a lot of people latched onto him as the icon of compassionate conservativism.
Trickle-down economics endeared his administration to a lot of the kinds of people that can host large benefits and name things after people as well.
Do yourself a favor and don't read the tweets connected to that like I did trying to figure out why reporters had bathroom escorts.
So, ummm, why not share with the rest of the class why he's requiring reporters to have bathroom escorts, assuming you found the answer and wish to avoid us sharing your suffering?
Secretly tweeting mean things while on the toilet?
Too much mid-rally fucking going on?
Mean tweet-fucking?
Because Trump doesn't want reporters in with his supporters, because they find out what sort of people support him. The recent case of the BLM protester getting attacked? The reason we found out is because a reporter slipped the leash and went into the crowd.
This is Trump's response to that.
Holy shit seriously? Wow that's awful.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Do yourself a favor and don't read the tweets connected to that like I did trying to figure out why reporters had bathroom escorts.
So, ummm, why not share with the rest of the class why he's requiring reporters to have bathroom escorts, assuming you found the answer and wish to avoid us sharing your suffering?
Secretly tweeting mean things while on the toilet?
Too much mid-rally fucking going on?
Mean tweet-fucking?
Because Trump doesn't want reporters in with his supporters, because they find out what sort of people support him. The recent case of the BLM protester getting attacked? The reason we found out is because a reporter slipped the leash and went into the crowd.
This is Trump's response to that.
Holy shit seriously? Wow that's awful.
Yes, seriously.
Every time you think "well, Trump can't get worse", he finds a way to lower the bar.
It's important to note that the liebrul media lies to you! So what better way to comabt those lies than preventing them from writing non-approved content?
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Speaking of, we had almost definitely a symptomatic Alzheimer's patient as President for at least four years. Wheeeeee!
Well, and for that I put the responsibility on Reagan and somewhat question just how deep in the weeds Bush the Greater was with all of it. Though the pardons are entirely indefensible.
Similarly, the Gulf of Tonkin is a big black mark against LBJ. But he's still the best President since FDR.
The man was a former CIA director, and the VP when Reagan started losing his mind. I find it hard to believe he didn't know Reagan's administration was doing or being neck deep in it.
If you're still lost, Chang was the klingon villain in Star Trek 5, and the above was a summary of the plot.
I was about to say I wasn't sure if it was a parody, or if it was an actual plot to Star Trek
Want to play co-op games? Feel free to hit me up!
And trash talks the rest of the Republican field:
And got more support...from what appears to be a country singer:
(Also I rarely ever go to the NYT website, why are they still using print layout techniques for their web presences, it it 20-fucking-15)
And soon we'll have a bunch of tweets from Trump calling them both pathetic losers and demanding for the writers to be fired and to apologize.
I gotta say, though, there's one silver lining about Trump and his tweets. It's all the same dishonest, self congratulating, petty bullying garbage we're used to from Trump, but 140 characters is a lot easier to deal with than any of his long-winded speeches. His tweets are like the diet soda of bullshit. Same Trump taste, fewer words!
Senate. Prescott was a Senator.
Ok yeah, it does say that. That's what I thought, but I guess it was one of those things where with the way the name Prescott and the "US President" from the next line down were laid out in the text my brain kept inserting it in place of Senate. I swear I read that sentence at least 5 times.
Bookwise, this is your best option.
Basics: There's a Civil War in Nicaragua between the Sardinistas (ruling socialists) and the Contras (right wing rebels) during the 80s (and late 70s). Being in the Cold War, the US and especially the Reagan administration supported the Contras. Contras were particularly brutal (death squads, nun raping, etc) rebels, so Congress banned funding them.
Meanwhile, Iran had some US hostages still and was subject to an arms embargo by the US and other nations.
So the Reagan Administration, definitely up to and including Casper Weinberger (Secretary of Defense), but probably up to and including the Vice President (HW) and President decide that they can kill two highly illegal birds with one stone. They can sell arms to Iran in exchange for releasing the hostages, and then give that off book money to the Contras. A guy named Colonel Oliver North (who you may have heard of since then) was the point man for the operation. Both of these things are explicitly against laws Congress has passed and the President has signed, but who cares, if the President does it, it's not illegal!
Needless to say, it was still pretty illegal. There was a pretty thorough Congressional investigation which condemned the whole thing but did not impeach Reagan. Meanwhile, the minority report from that committee vociferously defended the actions of the Reagan-Bush administration because of the if the President does it, it's not illegal theory. It was written by a Congressman from Wyoming, Dick Cheney. It also led to pretty much everyone involved being indicted on felony charges, usually perjury or obstruction of justice. Except for Reagan and Bush. The latter of whom was conveniently President and pardoned everyone. Hooray! This had no bad consequences in the future whatsoever!
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
It's a minor distinction but it is something to think about when politicians, particularly politicians on the right, give Israel a big sloppy blowjob.
Carson appears to be heading down towards the Cruz/Rubio 10-15 tier and Bush still maintains some space between Fiorina/Paul/Christie and the other garbage.
Thank you for the tl;dr, I'll probably still pick up the book.
So when I hear people mention that Reagan was one of the best Republican presidents ever they were joking? I've heard from many people that he was (all Republicans, of course).
Nope, because the Cult of Saint Ronnie is A Thing.
So in actual GOP primary news... HINT HINT FUCKING HINT!
Do yourself a favor and don't read the tweets connected to that like I did trying to figure out why reporters had bathroom escorts.
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There are two Reagans. One of them was an awful president that set us up for decades of trickle-down bullshit, crazy budget deficits because revenues went in the toilet, and IOKIYAR awful political moves. Other than Iran-Contra, he also cut AIDS research funding and pretended the epidemic didn't exist, refused to support sanctions on Apartheid-era South Africa, used Social Security as his own rainy day fund... there's a list as long as my leg, and trust me when I say I could go on.
Then there's Saint Ronnie, an imaginary version of Reagan where none of those things ever happened and trickle-down worked.
There's an Onion article on Republicans being ashamed to admit that this entire time they've been saying Reagan, they've really been thinking of Eisenhower.
So, ummm, why not share with the rest of the class why he's requiring reporters to have bathroom escorts, assuming you found the answer and wish to avoid us sharing your suffering?
Secretly tweeting mean things while on the toilet?
Too much mid-rally fucking going on?
Mean tweet-fucking?
I actually didn't find out why! Just the tweets all connected to hers were by trump fans and I was hurt by the dumb, so hurt.
pleasepaypreacher.net
Because Trump doesn't want reporters in with his supporters, because they find out what sort of people support him. The recent case of the BLM protester getting attacked? The reason we found out is because a reporter slipped the leash and went into the crowd.
This is Trump's response to that.
I think a lot of people latched onto him as the icon of compassionate conservativism.
Trickle-down economics endeared his administration to a lot of the kinds of people that can host large benefits and name things after people as well.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OLcAGbXhWIVcl5IziVpG0eKFJS3xi_Sac9kYMkRFvD8/edit?usp=sharing
Holy shit seriously? Wow that's awful.
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Ike!
They fixate on Reagan also for bashing the commies and tearing down the wall with his bare hands.
Hence the second debate taking place at the Ronald Reagan Brothel.
Yes, seriously.
Every time you think "well, Trump can't get worse", he finds a way to lower the bar.
Brilliant!