Yeah, but if you do that it's functionally no different than overwriting it. As soon as you reach that level of abstraction, you're admitting that the characters aren't really "real" and that your data has no intrinsic meaning. Preserving your save file isn't actually about the save file itself, it's a philosophical thing.
I'm sorry I couldn't hear you over the sound of how great being a god is
Yeah, but if you do that it's functionally no different than overwriting it. As soon as you reach that level of abstraction, you're admitting that the characters aren't really "real" and that your data has no intrinsic meaning. Preserving your save file isn't actually about the save file itself, it's a philosophical thing.
I'm sorry I couldn't hear you over the sound of how great being a god is
Yeah, but if you do that it's functionally no different than overwriting it. As soon as you reach that level of abstraction, you're admitting that the characters aren't really "real" and that your data has no intrinsic meaning. Preserving your save file isn't actually about the save file itself, it's a philosophical thing.
I'm sorry I couldn't hear you over the sound of how great being a god is
Same with Bonetrousle. That's why the Boneklezmer remix sounds really good too. (edit- well, not accordion, but it sounds folksy) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIuBpl7k_eU
Thanks Goatmon, that'll be really helpful for when I maybe do an arrangement for the brass band I'm in. I'm not sure if I'll succeed though. The music doesn't have much parts and is fairly repetitive. Like, Undertale (the song) is great, but it'd be super boring to play as a band. So it'll be a while before I figure out what to do and how to do it.
it's kind of amazing to me that undertale has had some international appeal
the thinness of the language and culture barriers between the english speaking countries and south korea and japan always surprises me
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I'm no major judge of music but that is some fine fucking piano right there. I've heard a few piano mixes of that track but this version is definitely the one with with the most weight to it.
warning: contains pacifist spoilers, genocide spoilers, wild leaps in logic, and matpat
This video is silly and far fetched but then I still had to do a sketch based on it because of how ridiculous it is. Spoilers for the video apply to the spoiler below.
You know, in retrospect, I think that the way I came into Undertale enhanced it even more.
See, I was given Undertale. And I had literally no idea what it was. As in, never seen a screen of the damned thing. In fact, I was convinced it was another game, which I can't remember right now. I was really confused at the beginning, going "wait, I thought Undertale was that one point and click game with all the colors?" But well, I started it. The very beginning already caught my interest. Flowey sparked my hate instantly, the little jerk, and Toriel made me go from "oh you fucking flower" to "awwww" in zero point six second flat. Then I found out I could NOT kill guys. Which was great! Why would I kill these things when NOT killing them wasn't even harder? You'd have to be a jerk to do it. I have always generally tried to minimize casualties in games as much as possible (I am on record going through Prototype stages only causing, like, two civilian deaths, and you kill people in that game if you so much as bump into them, so believe me, it takes a lot of careful maneuvering).
But not knowing the whole "you don't have to kill anyone" tagline, I absolutely expected the game to pull that away from me at some point. I kept going on, falling in love with Toriel. And then, bam. The fight. I spent some time there, dodging and never realizing she stops attacking (I am actually vaguely decent at Bullet Hell games), mashing talk. But in the end, I concluded that this was it. This was when the game was going to be an asshole and force me to kill the adorable character it just made me love, because pretty much every game that exists has bosses you simply CAN'T nonlethal. So I struck, mostly feeling annoyed at the whole thing and false choice and videogames in general. And as she died, she died giving me advice. And asking me to take care and be good. I could feel my heart going "crack".
Something in my twenty-five-years-playing-videogames brain, though, started shouting at me that this wasn't the scene of a forced character death. It couldn't be. It had to be a "fuck you player for being an asshole and killing this character" scene. Had I missed something? I immediately went to google, trying to avoid spoilers, but with one question. "Can Toriel be saved". The instant I saw yes, closed google, restarted, and went to try to find it. And I did. And then Flowey berated me for going back. And that's when I realized that this game was going to work a little different, and that my choices were going to have actual weight. And that the things I did still happened even if I reset.
I would probably have done a rather pacifistic run in general either way. That's just how I play, as I said. But there might have been a death or two more out of sheer now knowing what to do.
But Toriel had asked me to be good with her dying breath. And so you better believe I was going to try my best to fucking BE good, even if it killed me.
Thankfully, that wasn't necessary because the only fight in the game that was hard was Undyne. I also spent an unreasonable amount of time in that fight going WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME and ending up dying a few times out of sheer exhaustion and thousand cuts :P .
Let me guess
You didn't realize you could run away at first?
It was less "at first" and more "for who knows how long".
I mean, come on, when has running away from a boss in an RPG ever actually worked!
You know, in retrospect, I think that the way I came into Undertale enhanced it even more.
See, I was given Undertale. And I had literally no idea what it was. As in, never seen a screen of the damned thing. In fact, I was convinced it was another game, which I can't remember right now. I was really confused at the beginning, going "wait, I thought Undertale was that one point and click game with all the colors?" But well, I started it. The very beginning already caught my interest. Flowey sparked my hate instantly, the little jerk, and Toriel made me go from "oh you fucking flower" to "awwww" in zero point six second flat. Then I found out I could NOT kill guys. Which was great! Why would I kill these things when NOT killing them wasn't even harder? You'd have to be a jerk to do it. I have always generally tried to minimize casualties in games as much as possible (I am on record going through Prototype stages only causing, like, two civilian deaths, and you kill people in that game if you so much as bump into them, so believe me, it takes a lot of careful maneuvering).
But not knowing the whole "you don't have to kill anyone" tagline, I absolutely expected the game to pull that away from me at some point. I kept going on, falling in love with Toriel. And then, bam. The fight. I spent some time there, dodging and never realizing she stops attacking (I am actually vaguely decent at Bullet Hell games), mashing talk. But in the end, I concluded that this was it. This was when the game was going to be an asshole and force me to kill the adorable character it just made me love, because pretty much every game that exists has bosses you simply CAN'T nonlethal. So I struck, mostly feeling annoyed at the whole thing and false choice and videogames in general. And as she died, she died giving me advice. And asking me to take care and be good. I could feel my heart going "crack".
Something in my twenty-five-years-playing-videogames brain, though, started shouting at me that this wasn't the scene of a forced character death. It couldn't be. It had to be a "fuck you player for being an asshole and killing this character" scene. Had I missed something? I immediately went to google, trying to avoid spoilers, but with one question. "Can Toriel be saved". The instant I saw yes, closed google, restarted, and went to try to find it. And I did. And then Flowey berated me for going back. And that's when I realized that this game was going to work a little different, and that my choices were going to have actual weight. And that the things I did still happened even if I reset.
I would probably have done a rather pacifistic run in general either way. That's just how I play, as I said. But there might have been a death or two more out of sheer now knowing what to do.
But Toriel had asked me to be good with her dying breath. And so you better believe I was going to try my best to fucking BE good, even if it killed me.
Thankfully, that wasn't necessary because the only fight in the game that was hard was Undyne. I also spent an unreasonable amount of time in that fight going WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME and ending up dying a few times out of sheer exhaustion and thousand cuts :P .
Let me guess
You didn't realize you could run away at first?
It was less "at first" and more "for who knows how long".
I mean, come on, when has running away from a boss in an RPG ever actually worked!
She actually gives you a direct hint on how to handle the fight immediately, but it's given as such a throwaway comment that even though the key terms in the hint are color coded, most people don't even think much into it.
yeah, that kind of thing will happen with games like this
it's amazing how many people still haven't noticed
alphys giving you hand signals during the quiz
I noticed this straight away, and I think that was Toby's intention.
As opposed to the Undyne fight, where I ran out of options and just looked up the answer.
Tried insulting/pleading/sparing/fighting her forever up until I realised that yes this attack pattern was never going to finish.
it's kind of amazing to me that undertale has had some international appeal
the thinness of the language and culture barriers between the english speaking countries and south korea and japan always surprises me
It was pretty cool to see it start to pick up an international audience. It helps that the game is very much in the spirit of Earthbound and pretty much a love letter to quirky JRPG/anime heart.
You know, in retrospect, I think that the way I came into Undertale enhanced it even more.
See, I was given Undertale. And I had literally no idea what it was. As in, never seen a screen of the damned thing. In fact, I was convinced it was another game, which I can't remember right now. I was really confused at the beginning, going "wait, I thought Undertale was that one point and click game with all the colors?" But well, I started it. The very beginning already caught my interest. Flowey sparked my hate instantly, the little jerk, and Toriel made me go from "oh you fucking flower" to "awwww" in zero point six second flat. Then I found out I could NOT kill guys. Which was great! Why would I kill these things when NOT killing them wasn't even harder? You'd have to be a jerk to do it. I have always generally tried to minimize casualties in games as much as possible (I am on record going through Prototype stages only causing, like, two civilian deaths, and you kill people in that game if you so much as bump into them, so believe me, it takes a lot of careful maneuvering).
But not knowing the whole "you don't have to kill anyone" tagline, I absolutely expected the game to pull that away from me at some point. I kept going on, falling in love with Toriel. And then, bam. The fight. I spent some time there, dodging and never realizing she stops attacking (I am actually vaguely decent at Bullet Hell games), mashing talk. But in the end, I concluded that this was it. This was when the game was going to be an asshole and force me to kill the adorable character it just made me love, because pretty much every game that exists has bosses you simply CAN'T nonlethal. So I struck, mostly feeling annoyed at the whole thing and false choice and videogames in general. And as she died, she died giving me advice. And asking me to take care and be good. I could feel my heart going "crack".
Something in my twenty-five-years-playing-videogames brain, though, started shouting at me that this wasn't the scene of a forced character death. It couldn't be. It had to be a "fuck you player for being an asshole and killing this character" scene. Had I missed something? I immediately went to google, trying to avoid spoilers, but with one question. "Can Toriel be saved". The instant I saw yes, closed google, restarted, and went to try to find it. And I did. And then Flowey berated me for going back. And that's when I realized that this game was going to work a little different, and that my choices were going to have actual weight. And that the things I did still happened even if I reset.
I would probably have done a rather pacifistic run in general either way. That's just how I play, as I said. But there might have been a death or two more out of sheer now knowing what to do.
But Toriel had asked me to be good with her dying breath. And so you better believe I was going to try my best to fucking BE good, even if it killed me.
Thankfully, that wasn't necessary because the only fight in the game that was hard was Undyne. I also spent an unreasonable amount of time in that fight going WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME and ending up dying a few times out of sheer exhaustion and thousand cuts :P .
That is, almost exactly what happened to me.
I guessed Toriel might be a fight where you have to get her health down first, to show her you were determined? And then spare her? But then the last hit was a (possibly scripted) crit. So I exit and reload the save. The dialog was changed to acknowledge what I had done and this was amazing! And then Flowey called me a dick! So being the leet hacker that I am, I was all "ppft, whatever I will outsmart you you stupid jerk flower" and deleted the save file. Which doesn't work! So I reinstalled the game, which also doesn't! (I even found the hidden save file, but kept it since at that point I decided I would stick with the intended metagmaing).
You know, some days ago we were discussing with @laurentheflute about Genocide and the temptation to do it. And while I said that I wasn't tempted to do it to know more, I'm thinking that's not the full thing. I just don't feel the need to know more because everything I really NEEDED to know was in the route I played, that's true. But there is still a temptation for me.
That being the fights. I'm a challenge gamer. I love when a game cracks down and gets down to business. And the fight with Sans sounds SUPER fun. So that's the temptation for non-completionists like me: are you willing to destroy everything to experience the coolest fight in the game? I'm not, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit the niggling temptation IS there. Which actually pretty cool on a meta level!
it's kind of amazing to me that undertale has had some international appeal
the thinness of the language and culture barriers between the english speaking countries and south korea and japan always surprises me
Did people make fan translation patches?
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it's kind of amazing to me that undertale has had some international appeal
the thinness of the language and culture barriers between the english speaking countries and south korea and japan always surprises me
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Awww noooo
I don't think my heart can take it.
edit: You know what would have liked in this?
If some spiders came down to sing the vocal bit that starts 56 seconds in.
It's by two Russian dudes who did a bunch of other Undertale covers too.
Holy cow, that's really good!
I like this more than the original, even.
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but you know who should have been playing that celesta bit at the end (is that a celesta?)
yeah you just realized, if it hurt you just realized
ooh I like all of these a LOT, especially that cover of Asgore
The video and the music together give me a "credits sequence to an old cartoon" vibe.
Okay I know I say I get emotional a lot at things. I exaggerate a lot.
But I legit cried, listening to this. This is something special.
fuck, how are these all so good
THIS IS THE BEST PAGE OF THIS THREAD, YOU GUYS
edit: I guess this is a good a time as any to point out that I just finished the sheets for Undertale.
and I don't know what any of this says but boy is it pretty
the thinness of the language and culture barriers between the english speaking countries and south korea and japan always surprises me
I'm no major judge of music but that is some fine fucking piano right there. I've heard a few piano mixes of that track but this version is definitely the one with with the most weight to it.
This video is silly and far fetched but then I still had to do a sketch based on it because of how ridiculous it is. Spoilers for the video apply to the spoiler below.
It was less "at first" and more "for who knows how long".
I mean, come on, when has running away from a boss in an RPG ever actually worked!
"As long as you're green, you can't escape!"
yeah, that kind of thing will happen with games like this
it's amazing how many people still haven't noticed
I noticed this straight away, and I think that was Toby's intention.
Tried insulting/pleading/sparing/fighting her forever up until I realised that yes this attack pattern was never going to finish.
The Feels can overcome all barriers.
;_;
*holds up lighter*
That is, almost exactly what happened to me.
It was pretty great!
That being the fights. I'm a challenge gamer. I love when a game cracks down and gets down to business. And the fight with Sans sounds SUPER fun. So that's the temptation for non-completionists like me: are you willing to destroy everything to experience the coolest fight in the game? I'm not, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit the niggling temptation IS there. Which actually pretty cool on a meta level!
There's a Korean version.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SIT IN THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!