didnt protoss always need help vs mutas? i guess maybe not at the highest levels, however i know from the zerg side i had success with them when i did make them. i assume it is to allow the protoss player greater freedom than having to have a cache of stalkers at literally every base.
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i was so glad Zest won that, there's no way TY's garbage WOL beta Thor drop strat should have ever worked. I have no idea how that strat was ever going to work.
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game 5 pretty garbage too, i thought TY was supposed to be good?
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i was so glad Zest won that, there's no way TY's garbage WOL beta Thor drop strat should have ever worked. I have no idea how that strat was ever going to work.
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game 5 pretty garbage too, i thought TY was supposed to be good?
he's amazing but Zest is The Best Player On Earth right now
also as the casters said he was off in some games for sure. nerves I suppose.
he came across as able to do what he does super well but in spots where that didn't work, maps he couldn't cut in half, he died hard.
So I haven't played this in 6 years, beat Heart of the Swarm, going through the Legacy of the Void campaign now. What I do want to know is, I used to main Zerg. What is the go-to build for Zerg nowadays? I used to always go for Roach rush as it was solid defense and good for at least harassing at the start.
I would of course scout to see if I need to do something else rather than RR.
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So I haven't played this in 6 years, beat Heart of the Swarm, going through the Legacy of the Void campaign now. What I do want to know is, I used to main Zerg. What is the go-to build for Zerg nowadays? I used to always go for Roach rush as it was solid defense and good for at least harassing at the start.
I would of course scout to see if I need to do something else rather than RR.
Legacy is a much, much more economic focused game than Wings of Liberty. The maps are bigger, the 12 worker start accelerates everything. There are zero one-base rushes for Zerg unless you want to 12pool, and most of the two base builds involve still getting a full set of workers on both bases.
Oh! I thought 12 workers were because I was playing custom games with a buddy. This definitely changes everything. I honestly don't remember my exact build, but I think it was always roach to 2nd base?
I much prefer it being about macro too, so looking forward to playing multiplayer again.
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Okay so I've uploaded my six most recent games to my GGTracker page. I have no clue what certain build orders are now or anything like that, so I'm using the insanely outdated Filter macro builds from early HotS. Basically my focus is to be able to beat Elite AI a majority of the time with pure macro, then hop on ladder.
I understand AI has a tendency to do silly things and form bad habits, but I also realize that the AI will always do SOMETHING, as I remember ladder games that were either 100% massacres, or a situation where the people on the other end of the keyboard were asleep.
I also understand that my tendency for Bio may not be the best anymore, simply because Liberators are so useful for Terran, and tank drop play has become more of a standard. Any generic advice about builds/macro/micro?
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Be more economically aggressive than you think you need to. Natural expansion around 3 mins, third by 6 mins, and look to expand every 5 minutes after that.
Be more economically aggressive than you think you need to. Natural expansion around 3 mins, third by 6 mins, and look to expand every 5 minutes after that.
gahhhhh
Yeah, that's wild. So would that even leave time for 1/1/1 or 3rax builds or anything anymore? Or is the use of straight build orders less helpful than it used to be, and it's moving towards 'scout early and change up everything based on what you see'?
Be more economically aggressive than you think you need to. Natural expansion around 3 mins, third by 6 mins, and look to expand every 5 minutes after that.
gahhhhh
Yeah, that's wild. So would that even leave time for 1/1/1 or 3rax builds or anything anymore? Or is the use of straight build orders less helpful than it used to be, and it's moving towards 'scout early and change up everything based on what you see'?
one base builds will almost never do anything worthwhile.
as much as i want to play abathur, i am not sure i want to pay $4.99 for that privilege. i had completely forgotten that commanders after karax were going to be purchasable and that is unfortunate. maybe ill break down and get him eventually
edit: the coop missions are notably more difficult with the mutators now. especially if your teammate doesn't ever do anything....as in afk the entire time.
this may be weird, but is there a way to watch replays of co-op? i have been getting my ass kicked the last few times (brutal + mutator) and there are a few where i am not sure why. essentially once we hit the 6th or 7th train (i think) i look and suddenly my teammate has zero units and is getting overwhelmed by something. i can't defend both sides myself so i kinda want to see where things start spiraling out of control.
I haven't played many games (I think less than 150 for my entire 'career' and I've had the game since original WoL launch), but I still can't seem to actually learn much of anything?
I used to feel comfortable with 'make scvs/make depots/make stuff/a-move', but now it seems like it's getting me in more trouble because of the new meta, and I'm not taking expansions fast enough
Either that, or I'm thinking too much and trying to outgrow where I really am, mechanically. Instead of focusing on fundamentals I start getting antsy about learning counters or trying to micro/harass
http://www.ggtracker.com/matches/6645670 - Even though this was a win (vs. Harder AI), I still felt ridiculous the entire game, like Benny Hill music could've been playing in the background
Dunno if people actually care about co-op but it is a lot of fun with mutators! It rotates so yesterday I dove into the new one and it is the map with jin'ara and rak'shir. Honestly this one was trivially easy. You never are pressured basically at all. Maybe if you go Karax + swan and both of you mech so you have a low volume but high quality army it could be a problem. I was Karax paired with Zagara so I went mass gateway stuff and Zagara massed...well the 2-3 units she gets access to. Enemy was much Terran so orbital bombardment on sieged tanks was giggle inducing. The AI never attacked us until we were on the doorstep and about to win. I have to check and see if maybe I accidentally set it to hard instead of brutal.
Dunno if people actually care about co-op but it is a lot of fun with mutators! It rotates so yesterday I dove into the new one and it is the map with jin'ara and rak'shir. Honestly this one was trivially easy. You never are pressured basically at all. Maybe if you go Karax + swan and both of you mech so you have a low volume but high quality army it could be a problem. I was Karax paired with Zagara so I went mass gateway stuff and Zagara massed...well the 2-3 units she gets access to. Enemy was much Terran so orbital bombardment on sieged tanks was giggle inducing. The AI never attacked us until we were on the doorstep and about to win. I have to check and see if maybe I accidentally set it to hard instead of brutal.
conversely I found Brutal Mutator super hard this week.
Who were you playing as @Dhalphir ? I must have had it set to hard rather than brutal. The behaviour of the AI in retrospect makes no sense based on how the brutal mutator worked last week. The train mission felt borderline impossible if you weren't sufficient level. You just didn't have access to enough tools to combat several of the components
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yeah i still dont see a purpose to swarm hosts. i know catz wrote some giant dissertation but i didnt read it despite meaning to.
didnt protoss always need help vs mutas? i guess maybe not at the highest levels, however i know from the zerg side i had success with them when i did make them. i assume it is to allow the protoss player greater freedom than having to have a cache of stalkers at literally every base.
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he's amazing but Zest is The Best Player On Earth right now
also as the casters said he was off in some games for sure. nerves I suppose.
he came across as able to do what he does super well but in spots where that didn't work, maps he couldn't cut in half, he died hard.
now I'm mad at myself and the world :P
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If he's anywhere near as fun as he is in Heroes, it'll def get me playing the solo missions a lot more again.
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I would of course scout to see if I need to do something else rather than RR.
Legacy is a much, much more economic focused game than Wings of Liberty. The maps are bigger, the 12 worker start accelerates everything. There are zero one-base rushes for Zerg unless you want to 12pool, and most of the two base builds involve still getting a full set of workers on both bases.
I much prefer it being about macro too, so looking forward to playing multiplayer again.
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No but seriously, bet you all don't even remember me as it's literally been since 2013, but I'm back! Just installed Starcraft 2 again last week after purchasing Legacy of the Void at launch, looking forward to getting better at the game!
I understand AI has a tendency to do silly things and form bad habits, but I also realize that the AI will always do SOMETHING, as I remember ladder games that were either 100% massacres, or a situation where the people on the other end of the keyboard were asleep.
I also understand that my tendency for Bio may not be the best anymore, simply because Liberators are so useful for Terran, and tank drop play has become more of a standard. Any generic advice about builds/macro/micro?
Yeah, that's wild. So would that even leave time for 1/1/1 or 3rax builds or anything anymore? Or is the use of straight build orders less helpful than it used to be, and it's moving towards 'scout early and change up everything based on what you see'?
one base builds will almost never do anything worthwhile.
edit: the coop missions are notably more difficult with the mutators now. especially if your teammate doesn't ever do anything....as in afk the entire time.
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Um, I watched Katowice, so pref anything past that, Quarter Finals up?
I guess I'm just so used to watching LoL matches that I expect that to be how all e-Sports to be handled.
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I lost 12 pounds in 60 days. That shit's goooood.
Wow.
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remember when ultras could die?
I haven't played many games (I think less than 150 for my entire 'career' and I've had the game since original WoL launch), but I still can't seem to actually learn much of anything?
I used to feel comfortable with 'make scvs/make depots/make stuff/a-move', but now it seems like it's getting me in more trouble because of the new meta, and I'm not taking expansions fast enough
Either that, or I'm thinking too much and trying to outgrow where I really am, mechanically. Instead of focusing on fundamentals I start getting antsy about learning counters or trying to micro/harass
http://www.ggtracker.com/matches/6645670 - Even though this was a win (vs. Harder AI), I still felt ridiculous the entire game, like Benny Hill music could've been playing in the background
AWW! I missed the joke.
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of course, he couldn't beat Maru in game 7 of the proleague s2 finals. ooooops. Jin Air took it.
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conversely I found Brutal Mutator super hard this week.
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