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  • BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Goatmon wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    PaperLuigi44 wrote: »
    I decided to marathon through S3 of Arrow, and woof. I knew about a lot of the issues ahead of time but even then

    Whole season spoilers
    I know she's back next season/in Legends of Tomorrow, but killing off Sara was a tremendous fuck-up on multiple levels. As was keeping her death from Quentin. God, when Nyssa chewed out Laurel for keeping another secret (Oliver accepting Ra's deal) I immediately thought 'Thank you'. Then there was Ray being a creepy stalker, Laurel being a crap Canary, Quentin going off the rails and Felicity crying in almost. every. episode. There's more but those were some of the big issues I had. That DJ plot was dumb, but I kinda think that dude has a future in VA work.

    There were some bright spots, Roy as Arsenal is awesome, shame he had to leave. Although I'm up for Thea joining the team (something I wouldn't have been found dead saying at the start of season 1).

    I can only imagine the life of a CW writer.

    "Oh, have you told Mike that the milk has gone bad?"

    "No. He can never know, it would destroy him."

    about roy
    coulton has confirmed he will be back

    as for the rest

    the season was really good and really bad at the same time

    It had some really great bits, particularly
    Ra's who owns every scene he's in.

    Fun fact: Liam Neeson almost reprised that role, but was busy with other work and couldn't make it happen.

    Ray Palmer's bits are neat, but it made some sense when I heard he was supposed to be Ted Kord but DC said no so they wrote Palmer into it instead.

    My main beefs with season three are as follows

    - The handling of Felicity, who basically has zero agency and is tossed between boyfriends with little to no say in any of it.

    - The decline in the quality of fight scenes. Like, season 3 just stopped trying to make things seem tense. Everything got kinda formulaic and predictable. I just stopped feeling like the gang was ever in any real danger. S4 hasn't really fixed this.

    - The show's desperation to make everyone care about the plot with one silly drama bomb after another. WHO KILLED SARA? Wait, was it Merlyn? No! Was it Roy? NO! it was Thea! Who was being mind controlled by Merlyn! Who is now blackmailing Ollie to fight Ra's al Ghul by threatening to throw his own daughter under the bus! DUN DUNNNN

    Oh shit now Ollie's going to be the new Ra's! But he doesn't want to be! Oh no, now Ra's is terrorizing the city! Oh no, now Thea is going to die! Oh no, now Ollie is turning dark side! Oh wait he's faking it. OH NO MERYLN BACKSTABS HIM.

    Just

    fucking stop it. Please.

    And my last beef is just... Laurel. Just fuck Laurel. She's never not been the worst character in the show. Her sister was so much better, and then she got fridged to make Laurel more interesting. Bleugh.
    Really?

    I absolutely hated the actor who played Ra's.

    Like, one of the worst parts of the whole season was that actor.
    He was okay, but I wasn't exactly clamoring for more of him. He was a far less interesting antagonist than Slade or Damien Darhk.

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  • Kevin CristKevin Crist I make the devil hit his knees and say the 'our father'Registered User regular
    Spoit wrote: »
    So when is the "I'm with whoever" sig thing going to start again?

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  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    If they really wanted to do something special for an event they could have a superhero stop a bank robbery or something.

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  • MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    If they really wanted to do something special for an event they could have a superhero stop a bank robbery or something.

    Great, now I've got an idea in my head of Sam Wilson trying to stop the Serpent Society's most daring heist yet

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  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    I felt like Ra's was written well enough that, even though I was able to unequivocally hate him as a villain, I had to concede the occasional point, and he wasn't evil for evil's sake.
    Also the short hier to the demon arc did a lot to demonstrate who he is and why he is the way he is, so that was neat.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    So, question.

    Why is Marvel doing Civil War TWO?

  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    Civil War 1 was their most successful event and Marvel Studios also has a movie coming out that will boost interest in the event.

  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
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  • QuetziQuetzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Tox wrote: »
    I felt like Ra's was written well enough that, even though I was able to unequivocally hate him as a villain, I had to concede the occasional point, and he wasn't evil for evil's sake.
    Also the short hier to the demon arc did a lot to demonstrate who he is and why he is the way he is, so that was neat.

    I also thought he was written terribly and felt like he was evil for evil's sake

  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    edited December 2015
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    I felt like Ra's was written well enough that, even though I was able to unequivocally hate him as a villain, I had to concede the occasional point, and he wasn't evil for evil's sake.
    Also the short hier to the demon arc did a lot to demonstrate who he is and why he is the way he is, so that was neat.

    I also thought he was written terribly and felt like he was evil for evil's sake

    Really?
    He told Felicity to go tell Oliver how she really felt while she still had the chance to, because he was not given that chance. The whole episode with all the brainwashing and everything shows us that Ra's was clearly subjected to the same treatment when he was the heir. He repeatedly does not kill someone when he could have purely because there is a good, logical reason not to (as opposed to killing them because lol evil), He only laments not killing his rival due to the problems it caused his reign, and then stops Ollie with a "better" option. He's not evil for the sake of evil, he's the head of the demon, and acts in the best interest of furthering the league's goals, strength, and prosperity.

    Tox on
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  • QuetziQuetzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Tox wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    I felt like Ra's was written well enough that, even though I was able to unequivocally hate him as a villain, I had to concede the occasional point, and he wasn't evil for evil's sake.
    Also the short hier to the demon arc did a lot to demonstrate who he is and why he is the way he is, so that was neat.

    I also thought he was written terribly and felt like he was evil for evil's sake

    Really?
    He told Felicity to go tell Oliver how she really felt while she still had the chance to, because he was not given that chance. The whole episode with all the brainwashing and everything shows us that Ra's was clearly subjected to the same treatment when he was the heir. He repeatedly does not kill someone when he could have purely because there is a good, logical reason not to (as opposed to killing them because lol evil), He only laments not killing his rival due to the problems it caused his reign, and then stops Ollie with a "better" option. He's not evil for the sake of evil, he's the head of the demon, and acts in the best interest of furthering the league's goals, strength, and prosperity.
    What exactly were the League's goals?

    Because I never got a sense of that. Their goals seemed to be... antagonism?

  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    I felt like Ra's was written well enough that, even though I was able to unequivocally hate him as a villain, I had to concede the occasional point, and he wasn't evil for evil's sake.
    Also the short hier to the demon arc did a lot to demonstrate who he is and why he is the way he is, so that was neat.

    I also thought he was written terribly and felt like he was evil for evil's sake

    Really?
    He told Felicity to go tell Oliver how she really felt while she still had the chance to, because he was not given that chance. The whole episode with all the brainwashing and everything shows us that Ra's was clearly subjected to the same treatment when he was the heir. He repeatedly does not kill someone when he could have purely because there is a good, logical reason not to (as opposed to killing them because lol evil), He only laments not killing his rival due to the problems it caused his reign, and then stops Ollie with a "better" option. He's not evil for the sake of evil, he's the head of the demon, and acts in the best interest of furthering the league's goals, strength, and prosperity.
    Yeah that didn't make me think he was a good character. He seemed like a guy who was just going through the motions, and approached it with all the enthusiasm and emotion of a guy who was doing a 9 to 5 desk job.
    That can work, Dr Doom pulls it off really well, but he does it because he thinks people are beneath him. However as soon as it's revealed that he's trying to recruit Oliver instead , and tells Oliver that he can do what he wants when he becomes Ra's it just doesn't make any sense anymore. If Ra's can do anything because he's Ra's then why does the current Ra's just go through the motions and do a bunch of stuff he clearly doesn't want to do.

    I'm not a huge fan of Merlin, but Merlin seems like a better Ra's than the previous one was because he actually embraces the whole role.

  • Devlin_DragonusDevlin_Dragonus Gorgeous Dallas, TXRegistered User regular
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    I felt like Ra's was written well enough that, even though I was able to unequivocally hate him as a villain, I had to concede the occasional point, and he wasn't evil for evil's sake.
    Also the short hier to the demon arc did a lot to demonstrate who he is and why he is the way he is, so that was neat.

    I also thought he was written terribly and felt like he was evil for evil's sake

    Really?
    He told Felicity to go tell Oliver how she really felt while she still had the chance to, because he was not given that chance. The whole episode with all the brainwashing and everything shows us that Ra's was clearly subjected to the same treatment when he was the heir. He repeatedly does not kill someone when he could have purely because there is a good, logical reason not to (as opposed to killing them because lol evil), He only laments not killing his rival due to the problems it caused his reign, and then stops Ollie with a "better" option. He's not evil for the sake of evil, he's the head of the demon, and acts in the best interest of furthering the league's goals, strength, and prosperity.
    Yeah that didn't make me think he was a good character. He seemed like a guy who was just going through the motions, and approached it with all the enthusiasm and emotion of a guy who was doing a 9 to 5 desk job.
    That can work, Dr Doom pulls it off really well, but he does it because he thinks people are beneath him. However as soon as it's revealed that he's trying to recruit Oliver instead , and tells Oliver that he can do what he wants when he becomes Ra's it just doesn't make any sense anymore. If Ra's can do anything because he's Ra's then why does the current Ra's just go through the motions and do a bunch of stuff he clearly doesn't want to do.

    I'm not a huge fan of Merlin, but Merlin seems like a better Ra's than the previous one was because he actually embraces the whole role.
    My interpretation was that he was just kinda tired of this shit and wanted to hand it off, saw Oliver as the prophesied one to do it and went all in so he can finally just pass the mantel. Thing is he, does care if its in the right hands.

    I got nothing for you now. Try again later.

  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    Arrow S3
    Honestly Merlin deserves it just on the grounds of the ridiculous Xanatos gambit running through the whole damn season. Like, holy fuck that guy could beat Batman.

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Arrow S3
    Honestly Merlin deserves it just on the grounds of the ridiculous Xanatos gambit running through the whole damn season. Like, holy fuck that guy could beat Batman.

    He is a delight.

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    The League's goals in this universe have never been adequately explained so I have no idea when a character is supposed to be acting in accordance with their agenda or not

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  • QuetziQuetzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    The League's goals in this universe have never been adequately explained so I have no idea when a character is supposed to be acting in accordance with their agenda or not

    Yeah, this was my biggest problem

    They didn't really have any goals that I could tell, and they were led by the human equivalent of a wet piece of cardboard

    So they just kind of felt like antagonists for the sake of antagonists

  • AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular

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  • PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    Arrow S3
    I kinda assumed that the League were manipulating the world from the shadows to their perception of the greater good, although I admit we don't really see much of that.

    Ra's was ok, he was great in 'The Climb', especially that line about taking Oliver's weapons 'when he was done with them'. Although forcing Nyssa into an arranged marriage was a major dick move, on top of his existing poor treatment of her.

  • LuvTheMonkeyLuvTheMonkey High Sierra Serenade Registered User regular
    Spider Gwen gets the Mondo treatment

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  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Chincymcchilla wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Morkath wrote: »
    I dunno, I think at this point it is justified to shit on "Tony vs X". It has been kind of run into the ground lately.
    I mean we don't even know if they're really fighting each other

    All we have is a teaser that has them about to punch each other

    Which hints at that, yeah, but there have been misleading or mostly inaccurate teasers for events before and they are obviously trying to get that Civil War buzz by plastering the image of CAPTAIN AMERICA VS. IRON MAN everywhere

    But Bendis has written 4 events, 3 of which are fantastic (1 Of those probably being the single best event they've done outside of maybe Secret Wars depending on how it ends) and is also writing a pretty great, fun Iron Man book right now so I very much doubt Tony will be in the antagonistic role he is usually shoved into. And with Sam Wilson having one of the most acclaimed books in the relaunch and also being super liberal and proactive and a great hero he likely isn't going to be either.

    There's a ton we don't know. I'm tired of heroes fighting each other too but just as Secret Wars only had a few tenuous connections to the original event this might just have a handful of similar themes to CW 1.

    Blank while I admire your restraint

    The idea that we should wait when the thing they are showing is cap and Tony punching each other seems a bit silly

    Like that's what they're advertising

    If you don't like that it is perfectly justified to be upset
    I didn't say you can't be upset

    I said we should maybe wait before shitting on event we know nothing about other than "there is a teaser image of Cap and Iron Man facing off"

    If you hate that teaser that's totally fine but there are tons and tons of different ways they could tell a story based on that image and we have no idea what they are actually doing

    Like I get why the gut reaction is OH GOD THEY'RE JUST DOING CIVIL WAR ALL OVER AGAIN, that is what the teaser is kind of meant to envoke, but Marvel literally just did a giant event all about revisiting old events and putting distinct spins on them so there's not a lot of reason to believe this is going to just be the same thing with a different status quo going in. Especially since Bendis is already writing Tony as extremely likeable and heroic and dashing which is already totally against one of the first event's biggest flaws.

    It's not just "oh noes civil war again", it's that plus "oh noes, Tony versus other heroes....again." I like a lot of Bendis's work, this could turn out to be good. It also looks like a derivative cash-in that only exists because of the movie coming out.

    It may not be, but the fact they chose the first image to release to tease the event, to be Tony and Cap punching each other doesn't fill me with hope.

  • BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    I wouldn't even mind Civil War 2 coming out if it weren't for Time Runs Out happening so recently. I mean, it's a business. I get it. However, they just had Iron Man and Cap (well, Steve Rogers) fighting each other earlier this year.

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  • ElderlycrawfishElderlycrawfish Registered User regular
    Maybe were all just jumping to conclusions, and that cover is Iron Man and Cap playing an intense round of rock-paper-scissors.

  • BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    I watched Arrow from last week...
    It was hilarious how Felicity comments on the Betamax tape and then gets it playing in about 3 seconds.

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  • Toxic ToysToxic Toys Are you really taking my advice? Really?Registered User regular
    AtomicTofu wrote: »

    Going through the FAQ, it looks like soon you will have to you'll have to sign in with Amazon.

    Can I create a new comiXology account?
    Last Updated: Dec 04, 2015 05:42AM EST
    No, you’ll need to use your current Amazon account or create a new Amazon account to log in to comiXology platforms. You can create an Amazon account on our apps or website.

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    Goatmon wrote: »
    And my last beef is just... Laurel. Just fuck Laurel. She's never not been the worst character in the show. Her sister was so much better, and then she got fridged to make Laurel more interesting. Bleugh.

    That's not fridging

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    The premise of the Spider-Women event got revealed via Amazon
    Jess tries to take a more active role in training Silk and Gwen but they end up stuck in Gwen's universe, facing down that version of Cindy Moon who runs S.I.L.K., a Hydra or AIM equivalent.

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    The premise of the Spider-Women event got revealed via Amazon
    Jess tries to take a more active role in training Silk and Gwen but they end up stuck in Gwen's universe, facing down that version of Cindy Moon who runs S.I.L.K., a Hydra or AIM equivalent.
    There is a young spider lady missing from that list!!!

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Bluedude152 wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    The premise of the Spider-Women event got revealed via Amazon
    Jess tries to take a more active role in training Silk and Gwen but they end up stuck in Gwen's universe, facing down that version of Cindy Moon who runs S.I.L.K., a Hydra or AIM equivalent.
    There is a young spider lady missing from that list!!!
    She doesn't have a comic book right now!

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Flash
    WALLY WEST

    WALLY WEEEESSSSSTTTT

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Mark Hammil is literally just doing the Joker on Flash now and it is wonderful

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Ho! Ho! Ho! Drink Coke!Registered User regular
    Bluedude152 wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    The premise of the Spider-Women event got revealed via Amazon
    Jess tries to take a more active role in training Silk and Gwen but they end up stuck in Gwen's universe, facing down that version of Cindy Moon who runs S.I.L.K., a Hydra or AIM equivalent.
    There is a young spider lady missing from that list!!!

    never forget Team Lady Spiders

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  • LadaiLadai Registered User regular
    So I missed the first minute or so of Flash, and apparently this episode wasted no time getting right into it.
    I turned it on and Zoom had Harry by the neck. Can someone fill me in on what happened there?

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Ladai wrote: »
    So I missed the first minute or so of Flash, and apparently this episode wasted no time getting right into it.
    I turned it on and Zoom had Harry by the neck. Can someone fill me in on what happened there?
    It was unexplained, it opened with him running from Zoom

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  • TurambarTurambar Independent Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    The League's goals in this universe have never been adequately explained so I have no idea when a character is supposed to be acting in accordance with their agenda or not

    They take off their shirts and fight to the death

    What more do you want?

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Turambar wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    The League's goals in this universe have never been adequately explained so I have no idea when a character is supposed to be acting in accordance with their agenda or not

    They take off their shirts and fight to the death

    What more do you want?

    TO BE INCLUDED

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Oh my dear God Flash
    Trickster has a trap involving a rigged speak and spell that sings Dreidel Dreidel and a swarm of robotic dreidels that surround Flash and Patty rigged with C4

    This is straight up Brave and the Bold shit and it is incredible

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    I should check out that secret Wars civil war thing. Is there a trade?

  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    Bluedude152 wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    The premise of the Spider-Women event got revealed via Amazon
    Jess tries to take a more active role in training Silk and Gwen but they end up stuck in Gwen's universe, facing down that version of Cindy Moon who runs S.I.L.K., a Hydra or AIM equivalent.
    There is a young spider lady missing from that list!!!

    She's in training with Spider UK, and will be in Web Warriors.

  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Centipede Damascus wrote: »
    Bluedude152 wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    The premise of the Spider-Women event got revealed via Amazon
    Jess tries to take a more active role in training Silk and Gwen but they end up stuck in Gwen's universe, facing down that version of Cindy Moon who runs S.I.L.K., a Hydra or AIM equivalent.
    There is a young spider lady missing from that list!!!

    never forget Team Lady Spiders

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    That's....that's...not what Black Widow means Anya...

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