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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    well I have the rest of the day off

    I'm gonna play

    video

    games

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Intent is important for discussions of motive, but not action.

    You can be the best-intentioned person in the world but if you are burning people because you think they are witches you still need to get slapped.

  • HerrCronHerrCron It that wickedly supports taxation Registered User regular
    edited December 2015
    So I missed most of the end of the discussion on racism/whatever Trump is doing, but I feel very strongly that there is a difference between someone who is racist because they don't like a group of people and someone who is just running scared and makes some unfortunate decisions as a result. It may well not matter to the people who are being discriminated against, but I don't think that the culpability is the same. Which is really just a way of saying that I think Trump could be elected based on a surge of support for his policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country and that wouldn't mean that we ultimately revealed America to be a country of racists. It would reveal that when push comes to shove, people value fear and perceived safety more than principles. But then I feel very strongly that intent is key in racism and I know a lot of you disagree with me on that.

    No, that'd be exactly what that'd mean.

    edit: Well, it'd mean that for a minimum of 21.8% of the population (thanks electoral college!)

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    here is my apology babby

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Intent is important for discussions of motive, but not action.

    You can be the best-intentioned person in the world but if you are burning people because you think they are witches you still need to get slapped.

    i mean

    realistically most people act thinking they have good intentions

    good intentions don't really mean much

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Intent is important for discussions of motive, but not action.

    You can be the best-intentioned person in the world but if you are burning people because you think they are witches you still need to get slapped.

    i mean

    realistically most people act thinking they have good intentions

    good intentions don't really mean much

    nobody's the villain in their own story

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited December 2015
    Hell, most of the ISIS people are probably convinced that they are doing the right thing.

    Incenjucar on
  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    edited December 2015
    Chanus wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Intent is important for discussions of motive, but not action.

    You can be the best-intentioned person in the world but if you are burning people because you think they are witches you still need to get slapped.

    i mean

    realistically most people act thinking they have good intentions

    good intentions don't really mean much

    Good intentions pave the road to hell.

    Those who say, "Muslim problem" from fear are not much different from those who say it from just plain racism.

    This is the same now as it was when people spoke of the "Jewish Issue" in the US talking about Jews fleeing Germany.

    Mazzyx on
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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Users quitting is just swell!

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    space pls. not again. its too soon.
    trump is a butt. racial prejudice rooted in fear is just as racist as racial prejudice rooted in hate.

  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    So I missed most of the end of the discussion on racism/whatever Trump is doing, but I feel very strongly that there is a difference between someone who is racist because they don't like a group of people and someone who is just running scared and makes some unfortunate decisions as a result. It may well not matter to the people who are being discriminated against, but I don't think that the culpability is the same. Which is really just a way of saying that I think Trump could be elected based on a surge of support for his policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country and that wouldn't mean that we ultimately revealed America to be a country of racists. It would reveal that when push comes to shove, people value fear and perceived safety more than principles. But then I feel very strongly that intent is key in racism and I know a lot of you disagree with me on that.

    If you are running scared because a group of people with the same skin color scares you for no logical reason, you're a racist.

    "Policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country" are racist and fascist policies.

    Intent is flat out not necessary in racism. When Trump says "muslims" he means "middle eastern brown people." If you sat several different religious persuasions in front of him, but they all looked like middle eastern brown people, he would refer to them as muslims.

    Trump is so racist he doesn't even realize how racist he is.

  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    So I missed most of the end of the discussion on racism/whatever Trump is doing, but I feel very strongly that there is a difference between someone who is racist because they don't like a group of people and someone who is just running scared and makes some unfortunate decisions as a result. It may well not matter to the people who are being discriminated against, but I don't think that the culpability is the same. Which is really just a way of saying that I think Trump could be elected based on a surge of support for his policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country and that wouldn't mean that we ultimately revealed America to be a country of racists. It would reveal that when push comes to shove, people value fear and perceived safety more than principles. But then I feel very strongly that intent is key in racism and I know a lot of you disagree with me on that.

    i do think there is a difference between someone who is like "FUCK MUSLIMS" and someone who is like "omg i'm so scared of all these news events and muslims seem to be involved a lot and i'm ignorant and my fear drives me to tribalism so i think we should be wary of muslims"

    but they are both being racists

    When you cross the street to get away from or clutch your possessions tightly in response to walking near black people you are being racist.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    32% of North Carolina Republicans believe practicing Islam in the United States should be illegal.


    Fuck it, I'm out

    Who wants me?

    Seattle.

    You make six figures, right?

    Nah, but I probably would in Seattle

    Lemme check . . .


    Close. Definitely if worked some overtime.

    If you moved here and got a two-bedroom I could rent out the second bedroom for much less than its worth.

    *bats eyes*

    What an offer!

    :P

    I am #1 best catwarmer.

    I'm like a human in-use keyboard.

    Okay, I'm liking this pitch

    go on . . . .

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    DoctorArch wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    So I missed most of the end of the discussion on racism/whatever Trump is doing, but I feel very strongly that there is a difference between someone who is racist because they don't like a group of people and someone who is just running scared and makes some unfortunate decisions as a result. It may well not matter to the people who are being discriminated against, but I don't think that the culpability is the same. Which is really just a way of saying that I think Trump could be elected based on a surge of support for his policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country and that wouldn't mean that we ultimately revealed America to be a country of racists. It would reveal that when push comes to shove, people value fear and perceived safety more than principles. But then I feel very strongly that intent is key in racism and I know a lot of you disagree with me on that.

    i do think there is a difference between someone who is like "FUCK MUSLIMS" and someone who is like "omg i'm so scared of all these news events and muslims seem to be involved a lot and i'm ignorant and my fear drives me to tribalism so i think we should be wary of muslims"

    but they are both being racists

    When you cross the street to get away from or clutch your possessions tightly in response to walking near black people you are being racist.

    yes

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Chat, this cs:go revolver situation is getting out of hand.

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    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
    I like to ART
  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    So I missed most of the end of the discussion on racism/whatever Trump is doing, but I feel very strongly that there is a difference between someone who is racist because they don't like a group of people and someone who is just running scared and makes some unfortunate decisions as a result. It may well not matter to the people who are being discriminated against, but I don't think that the culpability is the same. Which is really just a way of saying that I think Trump could be elected based on a surge of support for his policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country and that wouldn't mean that we ultimately revealed America to be a country of racists. It would reveal that when push comes to shove, people value fear and perceived safety more than principles. But then I feel very strongly that intent is key in racism and I know a lot of you disagree with me on that.

    i do think there is a difference between someone who is like "FUCK MUSLIMS" and someone who is like "omg i'm so scared of all these news events and muslims seem to be involved a lot and i'm ignorant and my fear drives me to tribalism so i think we should be wary of muslims"

    but they are both being racists

    See now, if that second sentence was "omg i'm so scared of all these news events and people from other countries seem to be involved a lot and i'm ignorant and my fear drives me to tribalism so i think we should be wary of people from other countries" then it's not racist. Now it's just xenophobic.


    Also I don't know if these guys have watched the news recently, but you seem far more likely to get shot by a random white guy at a public event than by muslim terrorists. Better get rid of all the random white guys.

  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    So I missed most of the end of the discussion on racism/whatever Trump is doing, but I feel very strongly that there is a difference between someone who is racist because they don't like a group of people and someone who is just running scared and makes some unfortunate decisions as a result. It may well not matter to the people who are being discriminated against, but I don't think that the culpability is the same. Which is really just a way of saying that I think Trump could be elected based on a surge of support for his policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country and that wouldn't mean that we ultimately revealed America to be a country of racists. It would reveal that when push comes to shove, people value fear and perceived safety more than principles. But then I feel very strongly that intent is key in racism and I know a lot of you disagree with me on that.

    i do think there is a difference between someone who is like "FUCK MUSLIMS" and someone who is like "omg i'm so scared of all these news events and muslims seem to be involved a lot and i'm ignorant and my fear drives me to tribalism so i think we should be wary of muslims"

    but they are both being racists

    Again, I marvel at how I never realized that Muslims were a race.

  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    32% of North Carolina Republicans believe practicing Islam in the United States should be illegal.


    Fuck it, I'm out

    Who wants me?

    Seattle.

    You make six figures, right?

    Nah, but I probably would in Seattle

    Lemme check . . .


    Close. Definitely if worked some overtime.

    If you moved here and got a two-bedroom I could rent out the second bedroom for much less than its worth.

    *bats eyes*

    What an offer!

    :P

    I am #1 best catwarmer.

    I'm like a human in-use keyboard.

    Okay, I'm liking this pitch

    go on . . . .

    I also come with Legally Canadian for emergency maple syrup runs.

  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Lol I forgot how dorky the plot in Shadow Complex is.

    Card you're a hack. Good thing this game is good otherwise

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Intent is important for discussions of motive, but not action.

    You can be the best-intentioned person in the world but if you are burning people because you think they are witches you still need to get slapped.

    i mean

    realistically most people act thinking they have good intentions

    good intentions don't really mean much

    nobody's the villain in their own story

    Wait what that is super-untrue.

    There are tons of people who are routinely villainous (whether exploiting others or just being assholes) and are fully aware of it, but proceed anyway, either because they do not care or actively enjoy it.

    I don't think it applies to the situation we're talking about (probably a lot of racists have good intentions or think they're protecting their families or something).

    But as a general statement this is not solid.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    32% of North Carolina Republicans believe practicing Islam in the United States should be illegal.


    Fuck it, I'm out

    Who wants me?

    Seattle.

    You make six figures, right?

    Nah, but I probably would in Seattle

    Lemme check . . .


    Close. Definitely if worked some overtime.

    If you moved here and got a two-bedroom I could rent out the second bedroom for much less than its worth.

    *bats eyes*

    What an offer!

    :P

    I am #1 best catwarmer.

    I'm like a human in-use keyboard.

    Okay, I'm liking this pitch

    go on . . . .

    I also come with Legally Canadian for emergency maple syrup runs.

    Does this involve some kind of discount at Tim Horton's and hockey games?

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    spool32 wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    So I missed most of the end of the discussion on racism/whatever Trump is doing, but I feel very strongly that there is a difference between someone who is racist because they don't like a group of people and someone who is just running scared and makes some unfortunate decisions as a result. It may well not matter to the people who are being discriminated against, but I don't think that the culpability is the same. Which is really just a way of saying that I think Trump could be elected based on a surge of support for his policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country and that wouldn't mean that we ultimately revealed America to be a country of racists. It would reveal that when push comes to shove, people value fear and perceived safety more than principles. But then I feel very strongly that intent is key in racism and I know a lot of you disagree with me on that.

    i do think there is a difference between someone who is like "FUCK MUSLIMS" and someone who is like "omg i'm so scared of all these news events and muslims seem to be involved a lot and i'm ignorant and my fear drives me to tribalism so i think we should be wary of muslims"

    but they are both being racists

    Again, I marvel at how I never realized that Muslims were a race.

    again you distract from the conversation by arguing semantics

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    So I missed most of the end of the discussion on racism/whatever Trump is doing, but I feel very strongly that there is a difference between someone who is racist because they don't like a group of people and someone who is just running scared and makes some unfortunate decisions as a result. It may well not matter to the people who are being discriminated against, but I don't think that the culpability is the same. Which is really just a way of saying that I think Trump could be elected based on a surge of support for his policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country and that wouldn't mean that we ultimately revealed America to be a country of racists. It would reveal that when push comes to shove, people value fear and perceived safety more than principles. But then I feel very strongly that intent is key in racism and I know a lot of you disagree with me on that.

    i do think there is a difference between someone who is like "FUCK MUSLIMS" and someone who is like "omg i'm so scared of all these news events and muslims seem to be involved a lot and i'm ignorant and my fear drives me to tribalism so i think we should be wary of muslims"

    but they are both being racists

    Again, I marvel at how I never realized that Muslims were a race.

    You have got to get off this meaningless distinction. You seem to keep bringing it up like it absolves bigotry of its de facto impact.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Intent is important for discussions of motive, but not action.

    You can be the best-intentioned person in the world but if you are burning people because you think they are witches you still need to get slapped.

    i mean

    realistically most people act thinking they have good intentions

    good intentions don't really mean much

    nobody's the villain in their own story

    Wait what that is super-untrue.

    There are tons of people who are routinely villainous (whether exploiting others or just being assholes) and are fully aware of it, but proceed anyway, either because they do not care or actively enjoy it.

    I don't think it applies to the situation we're talking about (probably a lot of racists have good intentions or think they're protecting their families or something).

    But as a general statement this is not solid.

    i whistle CAKE's "Hem of your garment" as I walk down the street

  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    So I missed most of the end of the discussion on racism/whatever Trump is doing, but I feel very strongly that there is a difference between someone who is racist because they don't like a group of people and someone who is just running scared and makes some unfortunate decisions as a result. It may well not matter to the people who are being discriminated against, but I don't think that the culpability is the same. Which is really just a way of saying that I think Trump could be elected based on a surge of support for his policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country and that wouldn't mean that we ultimately revealed America to be a country of racists. It would reveal that when push comes to shove, people value fear and perceived safety more than principles. But then I feel very strongly that intent is key in racism and I know a lot of you disagree with me on that.

    i do think there is a difference between someone who is like "FUCK MUSLIMS" and someone who is like "omg i'm so scared of all these news events and muslims seem to be involved a lot and i'm ignorant and my fear drives me to tribalism so i think we should be wary of muslims"

    but they are both being racists

    Again, I marvel at how I never realized that Muslims were a race.

    This contributes a lot more than your last identical post. Didn't a ton of people point out why this is a fallacy since you posted this last time?

  • OrphaneOrphane rivers of red that run to seaRegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    So I missed most of the end of the discussion on racism/whatever Trump is doing, but I feel very strongly that there is a difference between someone who is racist because they don't like a group of people and someone who is just running scared and makes some unfortunate decisions as a result. It may well not matter to the people who are being discriminated against, but I don't think that the culpability is the same. Which is really just a way of saying that I think Trump could be elected based on a surge of support for his policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country and that wouldn't mean that we ultimately revealed America to be a country of racists. It would reveal that when push comes to shove, people value fear and perceived safety more than principles. But then I feel very strongly that intent is key in racism and I know a lot of you disagree with me on that.

    i do think there is a difference between someone who is like "FUCK MUSLIMS" and someone who is like "omg i'm so scared of all these news events and muslims seem to be involved a lot and i'm ignorant and my fear drives me to tribalism so i think we should be wary of muslims"

    but they are both being racists

    Again, I marvel at how I never realized that Muslims were a race.

    but is the conflation of muslims and the races which most commonly practice it in itself racist

    maek u think

  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    So I missed most of the end of the discussion on racism/whatever Trump is doing, but I feel very strongly that there is a difference between someone who is racist because they don't like a group of people and someone who is just running scared and makes some unfortunate decisions as a result. It may well not matter to the people who are being discriminated against, but I don't think that the culpability is the same. Which is really just a way of saying that I think Trump could be elected based on a surge of support for his policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country and that wouldn't mean that we ultimately revealed America to be a country of racists. It would reveal that when push comes to shove, people value fear and perceived safety more than principles. But then I feel very strongly that intent is key in racism and I know a lot of you disagree with me on that.

    i do think there is a difference between someone who is like "FUCK MUSLIMS" and someone who is like "omg i'm so scared of all these news events and muslims seem to be involved a lot and i'm ignorant and my fear drives me to tribalism so i think we should be wary of muslims"

    but they are both being racists

    Again, I marvel at how I never realized that Muslims were a race.

    A very large portion of the people who are afraid of Muslims conflate Muslims and Arabs or other Middle Eastern-descent folk.

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  • SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    So I missed most of the end of the discussion on racism/whatever Trump is doing, but I feel very strongly that there is a difference between someone who is racist because they don't like a group of people and someone who is just running scared and makes some unfortunate decisions as a result. It may well not matter to the people who are being discriminated against, but I don't think that the culpability is the same. Which is really just a way of saying that I think Trump could be elected based on a surge of support for his policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country and that wouldn't mean that we ultimately revealed America to be a country of racists. It would reveal that when push comes to shove, people value fear and perceived safety more than principles. But then I feel very strongly that intent is key in racism and I know a lot of you disagree with me on that.

    i do think there is a difference between someone who is like "FUCK MUSLIMS" and someone who is like "omg i'm so scared of all these news events and muslims seem to be involved a lot and i'm ignorant and my fear drives me to tribalism so i think we should be wary of muslims"

    but they are both being racists

    Again, I marvel at how I never realized that Muslims were a race.

    It's a proxy dogwhistle for brown people.

  • descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    Hmm

    Maple syrup

    I bet maple syrup ice cream with maple sugar crystals in it would be really good

  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Intent is important for discussions of motive, but not action.

    You can be the best-intentioned person in the world but if you are burning people because you think they are witches you still need to get slapped.

    i mean

    realistically most people act thinking they have good intentions

    good intentions don't really mean much

    Good intentions pave the road to hell.

    Those who say, "Muslim problem" from fear are not much different from those who say it from just plain racism.

    This is the same now as it was when people spoke of the "Jewish Issue" in the US talking about Jews fleeing Germany.

    The Jewish Issue was the weirdest Playboy in my adolescent shoe box.

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  • SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    So I missed most of the end of the discussion on racism/whatever Trump is doing, but I feel very strongly that there is a difference between someone who is racist because they don't like a group of people and someone who is just running scared and makes some unfortunate decisions as a result. It may well not matter to the people who are being discriminated against, but I don't think that the culpability is the same. Which is really just a way of saying that I think Trump could be elected based on a surge of support for his policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country and that wouldn't mean that we ultimately revealed America to be a country of racists. It would reveal that when push comes to shove, people value fear and perceived safety more than principles. But then I feel very strongly that intent is key in racism and I know a lot of you disagree with me on that.

    i do think there is a difference between someone who is like "FUCK MUSLIMS" and someone who is like "omg i'm so scared of all these news events and muslims seem to be involved a lot and i'm ignorant and my fear drives me to tribalism so i think we should be wary of muslims"

    but they are both being racists

    Again, I marvel at how I never realized that Muslims were a race.

    again you distract from the conversation by arguing semantics

    no you see the great injustice here is the misapplication of language not the threat of repeating america's greatest atrocities

    can we please discuss dungeons and dragons, orcs are not a race!

  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Intent is important for discussions of motive, but not action.

    You can be the best-intentioned person in the world but if you are burning people because you think they are witches you still need to get slapped.

    i mean

    realistically most people act thinking they have good intentions

    good intentions don't really mean much

    nobody's the villain in their own story

    Wait what that is super-untrue.

    There are tons of people who are routinely villainous (whether exploiting others or just being assholes) and are fully aware of it, but proceed anyway, either because they do not care or actively enjoy it.

    I don't think it applies to the situation we're talking about (probably a lot of racists have good intentions or think they're protecting their families or something).

    But as a general statement this is not solid.

    I don't believe it.

    Everyone justifies their actions to themselves.

    Run a shady business and steal from your employees? No, I made this company they're lucky they get anything. Etc.

    If there's someone out there who thinks they're doing the wrong thing and is like yup I'm wrong and bad than that's a rare person.

    Even the people who just don't care and exploit people are going to have internal justification. The world isn't fair, you gotta take what you get or it'll happen to you, etc.

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    So I missed most of the end of the discussion on racism/whatever Trump is doing, but I feel very strongly that there is a difference between someone who is racist because they don't like a group of people and someone who is just running scared and makes some unfortunate decisions as a result. It may well not matter to the people who are being discriminated against, but I don't think that the culpability is the same. Which is really just a way of saying that I think Trump could be elected based on a surge of support for his policies which curb Muslim immigration and even put Muslims under surveillance in the country and that wouldn't mean that we ultimately revealed America to be a country of racists. It would reveal that when push comes to shove, people value fear and perceived safety more than principles. But then I feel very strongly that intent is key in racism and I know a lot of you disagree with me on that.

    i do think there is a difference between someone who is like "FUCK MUSLIMS" and someone who is like "omg i'm so scared of all these news events and muslims seem to be involved a lot and i'm ignorant and my fear drives me to tribalism so i think we should be wary of muslims"

    but they are both being racists

    Again, I marvel at how I never realized that Muslims were a race.

    again you distract from the conversation by arguing semantics

    No, it' snot a distraction at all. You're making a nonsense accusation because you want to graft on the evil of racism to your "xenophobic religious bigot" cudgel. Call a thing what it is and stop fucking about with easier terms. If I can shit on this entire line of thought by just going "duh muslims aren't a race" you will get nowhere trying to actually accomplish anything.

    Be precise in your criticism, or like DK pointed out earlier, you just open yourself up to the appearance of grievance shopping.

  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    32% of North Carolina Republicans believe practicing Islam in the United States should be illegal.


    Fuck it, I'm out

    Who wants me?

    Seattle.

    You make six figures, right?

    Nah, but I probably would in Seattle

    Lemme check . . .


    Close. Definitely if worked some overtime.

    If you moved here and got a two-bedroom I could rent out the second bedroom for much less than its worth.

    *bats eyes*

    What an offer!

    :P

    I am #1 best catwarmer.

    I'm like a human in-use keyboard.

    Okay, I'm liking this pitch

    go on . . . .

    I also come with Legally Canadian for emergency maple syrup runs.

    Does this involve some kind of discount at Tim Horton's and hockey games?

    I think I get some perks related to the popular Montreal brewery that was started by the part of my family that stayed in Canada.

  • SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Intent is important for discussions of motive, but not action.

    You can be the best-intentioned person in the world but if you are burning people because you think they are witches you still need to get slapped.

    i mean

    realistically most people act thinking they have good intentions

    good intentions don't really mean much

    Good intentions pave the road to hell.

    Those who say, "Muslim problem" from fear are not much different from those who say it from just plain racism.

    This is the same now as it was when people spoke of the "Jewish Issue" in the US talking about Jews fleeing Germany.

    The Jewish Issue was the weirdest Playboy in my adolescent shoe box.

    Natalie Portman, Bar Raefeli, Ellen Page (iirc?)

    not bad

  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    Deebs had the right of it; we already (uselessly) did this once today

    how did we get a new topic earlier... oh, right.

    @Sir Landshark what would you like to discuss right now

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