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  • crimsoncoyotecrimsoncoyote Registered User regular
    Someone posted that in our local fb group. Someone else mentioned that in the forums, people are mostly saying you can only drop one of each bomb with munitions (as in, you can only discard each bomb once), though you can get a single ring with it.

  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    that's so gross, and it's hilarious that one of the primary obstacles to running that list is not having enough cluster bomb tokens

    in other news, chrysis and I shot lasers in space

    his oicunn and whisper eliminated all 3 of my TAPS, but all of them were able to fire concussion missiles at Oicunn for a total of 11 damage, and vessery was able to outmaneuver Whisper because white k-turns are insane, vape her, and finish off oicunn, who limped into that exchange with 1 hull

    do we care about margin of victory or any of that?

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  • crimsoncoyotecrimsoncoyote Registered User regular
    Sok isn't tracking it

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  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    cool

    anyway my list worked mainly as intended, so that's exciting

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Someone posted that in our local fb group. Someone else mentioned that in the forums, people are mostly saying you can only drop one of each bomb with munitions (as in, you can only discard each bomb once), though you can get a single ring with it.

    Except that Extra Munitions reads 'When you are instructed to discard an Upgrade card, you may discard 1 ordnance token on that card instead."

    So RAW, it should work.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Oh I didn't see this box. Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Someone posted that in our local fb group. Someone else mentioned that in the forums, people are mostly saying you can only drop one of each bomb with munitions (as in, you can only discard each bomb once), though you can get a single ring with it.

    Except that Extra Munitions reads 'When you are instructed to discard an Upgrade card, you may discard 1 ordnance token on that card instead."

    So RAW, it should work.

    No, the argument is that you can't discard the card twice to the same effect, so you can discard the EM token but can't then also discard the card.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Someone posted that in our local fb group. Someone else mentioned that in the forums, people are mostly saying you can only drop one of each bomb with munitions (as in, you can only discard each bomb once), though you can get a single ring with it.

    Except that Extra Munitions reads 'When you are instructed to discard an Upgrade card, you may discard 1 ordnance token on that card instead."

    So RAW, it should work.

    No, the argument is that you can't discard the card twice to the same effect, so you can discard the EM token but can't then also discard the card.

    That's an argument that needs to be settled officially, to be sure.

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    edited June 17
    Gonna rain on the parade a bit.
    Here's the thing about the cluster mine encirclement;

    You're spending all of your points to make it happen. All of them.

    Once it's out there, you have three generic Punishers with a couple of rockets to get it done.

    Your adversary can probably just fly around inside the ring for a pretty reasonable number of turns. When they decide to exit, they can fly something chunky through to clear a path. Their maneuver template is going to connect with probably two of the mines. So you're basically spending 30 points and committing your entire list to a roughly 60% chance of doing one damage to a target of your opponent's choosing.

    And then you have to deal with the fact that all of those remaining mines are obstructing your normal K-turn area.

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  • ChrysisChrysis Registered User regular
    Yup. It's a terrible plan. And let's be honest, there's no actual reason to fly out unless you know you can tank it. And if there's no way out, there's no way in.

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    It would definitely be fun to play it out and see what happens. :-)

    Just don't think it's going to be dominating any tournaments.

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  • H3KnucklesH3Knuckles Jack of all interests... ...master of noneRegistered User regular
    edited June 17
    Are they explosive mines, or are they like the 'mines' in TIE Fighter which were basically stationary blaster-turret drones? Because, it's a game of spacecraft, not tanks moving over land, or surface ships at sea. You should be able to just fly above or below the mines, right?

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  • see317see317 Taco Count 2017: 61 Registered User regular
    H3Knuckles wrote: »
    Are they explosive mines, or are they like the 'mines' in TIE Fighter which were basically stationary blaster-turret drones? Because, it's a game of spacecraft, not tanks moving over land, or surface ships at sea. You should be able to just fly above or below the mines, right?
    Explosive mines, not laser turrets.
    Well, not yet, anyway.

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    Well except what see317 said. That guy's always wrong.
  • H3KnucklesH3Knuckles Jack of all interests... ...master of noneRegistered User regular
    edited June 18
    I guess I don't understand how explosive mines would work in space. I mean, Star Wars' space battles aren't remotely realistic, but they're largely based on air combat from World War 2, which also didn't see much use of explosive mines (surprise!). It just seems like an odd inclusion to me. I guess if you could release it in your wake while being pursued it would shake the enemy off your tail? Generally in the fully 3D environs of spaceflight it doesn't seem like they'd be very effective at deterrence or obstruction unless they had a massively over-size blast radius for their intended targets, at which point they become impractical.

    Edit: Or if they're like a dormant guided warhead that sits idle until it can get a target lock on a hostile and then takes off after them. I forget where that idea comes from.

    That TIE Fighter mission where you had to protect a ship caught in a minefield of those drone turrets was a real pain in the ass, though.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Explosions do not occur in a flat plane, either.

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  • see317see317 Taco Count 2017: 61 Registered User regular
    I think the problem here is that we're trying to think logically about Star Wars space battles and applying real world physics to the discussion.

    There is no good outcome to such a discussion.

    Ringo wrote: »
    Well except what see317 said. That guy's always wrong.
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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Game Designer/Stay-at-home Dad Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    H3Knuckles wrote: »
    I guess I don't understand how explosive mines would work in space. I mean, Star Wars' space battles aren't remotely realistic, but they're largely based on air combat from World War 2, which also didn't see much use of explosive mines (surprise!). It just seems like an odd inclusion to me. I guess if you could release it in your wake while being pursued it would shake the enemy off your tail? Generally in the fully 3D environs of spaceflight it doesn't seem like they'd be very effective at deterrence or obstruction unless they had a massively over-size blast radius for their intended targets, at which point they become impractical.

    Edit: Or if they're like a dormant guided warhead that sits idle until it can get a target lock on a hostile and then takes off after them. I forget where that idea comes from.

    That TIE Fighter mission where you had to protect a ship caught in a minefield of those drone turrets was a real pain in the ass, though.

    Here's why they work.

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  • webguy20webguy20 Registered User regular
    This goes into more depth on the issue.

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  • H3KnucklesH3Knuckles Jack of all interests... ...master of noneRegistered User regular
    edited June 18
    Yes, the Obi vs Jango fights were some of the best part of Ep II, and that music video is funny.
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Explosions do not occur in a flat plane, either.

    Right, but if you are placing more than one mine, you need to arrange them into a wall-like 2D planar formation, not a simple row or 3D movement renders it obsolete. Now consider that Star Wars spacecraft can fly from a planet's surface into space (like, distances of 120,000 miles in Earth's case) in minutes. How many mines are you laying to create an effective field, and how many spacecraft do you need that are equipped to deploy them (when most are carrying a dozen or two tops)? It's just not efficient or practical unless you can exploit something like an asteroid belt's debris. But that only works if the enemy has some reason to go into or through the asteroids, and you can anticipate that action. Now, the impression I always got from the sequence in Empire was that even a seasoned smuggler like Han treats it like a desperation measure, not to mention the risk of loss of spacecraft just trying to deploy the mines with any urgency. I'm saying that outside of trying to discourage a pursuing craft (like the Obi vs Jango chase), mines are really impractical, with only very situational use in space, unless they have very different mechanical behavior from a conventional 'sit and explodes when something gets near' model.

    TLDR; it takes an astronomical number of mines to block the path of even a single fighter in an astronomical environment. I'll shut up about this now, I just wanted to try and do a better job explaining my point.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    You are working really hard to rain on our parade of fun shooty-shoot laser dogfight game, just sayin'.

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  • H3KnucklesH3Knuckles Jack of all interests... ...master of noneRegistered User regular
    edited June 18
    Hey, I'm just saying I want weird and wacky options for space mines. Laser turret drones, delayed action guided missiles, or, like those mines from Galaxy Quest that follow you around. Those are both more appropriate and more interesting from a gameplay perspective.

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  • see317see317 Taco Count 2017: 61 Registered User regular
    H3Knuckles wrote: »
    Hey, I'm just saying I want weird and wacky options for space mines. Laser turret drones, delayed action guided missiles, or, like those mines from Galaxy Quest that follow you around. Those are both more appropriate and more interesting from a gameplay perspective.

    To be fair, the mine field in Galaxy Quest is a huge number of mines and deployed on a scale well above what most people would consider practical to the point where it was mistaken for a cloud. And even with that volume of space covered, it still could have been easily navigated around if not for the whole pursuit and turbo burning out that was going on at the time.
    Check out 1:42 ish, and try to count how many mines are there.


    http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Bombs
    And there is a fair amount of variation in the bombs that are available. But, within the rules of the game, that pretty much boils down to "how much damage do you take"?

    I'm just wondering how you would model "magnetic pursuit mines" within the rule set for the game that would be functionally different than the current mines without adding a substantial amount of complexity.

    Ringo wrote: »
    Well except what see317 said. That guy's always wrong.
  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Game Designer/Stay-at-home Dad Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    How about remote control mines? Deploy them from your ship as usual, then you can spend an Action to move them. Give them a 1 move template (2 with a Custom Title card) and let the chase begin!

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    edited June 18
    I bought stuff for the first time in forever!!!

    Went out to FFG and picked up a pair of TIE Strikers & Imperial Veterans.
    I also snagged this nifty binder;
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    It's a decent leatherette and it holds allllllllll of my upgrade cards with plenty of room to spare. Very pleased.

    I also splurged in one of the eBay shops and I now have a small mountain of Connor Nets and other swag on the way.

    I did consider picking up our Summer League swag, but I figured I would hold off and see if the new wave hits in time.

    Now if I can just find time to play a game...

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Oh I didn't see this box. Registered User regular
    If I'm reading this right, Pure Sabaac can Snap Shot with 3 dice, right?

    Omega Leader's FAQ entry says adding/removing dice that way isn't modifying (referencing Jan Ors), and Pure Sabaac doesn't specify anything other than "add 1 die to attacks", so...

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    Oh, also;

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    Bounty doubled.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    I know I've been a pain to try to schedule with admanb. Being on opposite coasts has complicated the issue as well. Today's my anniversary, but maybe tomorrow night or another night this week.

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  • admanbadmanb the bored genie Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    I know I've been a pain to try to schedule with admanb. Being on opposite coasts has complicated the issue as well. Today's my anniversary, but maybe tomorrow night or another night this week.

    We suck but we are definitely still here and trying.

  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    edited June 19
    just in case it's relevant, I'm PST and free every night except Tuesday and every other Wednesday (this coming wednesday is a free one)

    also saturday afternoon

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    I know I've been a pain to try to schedule with admanb. Being on opposite coasts has complicated the issue as well. Today's my anniversary, but maybe tomorrow night or another night this week.

    There's really no pressure as far as I'm concerned. Just trying to keep things moving along where practical.
    I have not personally managed to play a league game yet, though I've been feeling the itch.

  • FuselageFuselage Bantha Three ValhallaRegistered User regular
    edited June 27
    Sokpuppet wrote: »
    I bought stuff for the first time in forever!!!

    Went out to FFG and picked up a pair of TIE Strikers & Imperial Veterans.
    I also snagged this nifty binder;
    Legion_XWing_Binders_articleimage03_openbinder.jpg

    It's a decent leatherette and it holds allllllllll of my upgrade cards with plenty of room to spare. Very pleased.

    I also splurged in one of the eBay shops and I now have a small mountain of Connor Nets and other swag on the way.

    I did consider picking up our Summer League swag, but I figured I would hold off and see if the new wave hits in time.

    Now if I can just find time to play a game...

    What Binder is that? I've been looking for something cool to put my 5e spell cards into so each class has a spell book for players to peruse.

    Also I just made these after playing in a tournament this weekend.
    VT-49 Decimator: · Captain Oicunn (42)
    Wired (1)
    Tactical Jammer (1)
    · Ysanne Isard (4)
    Systems officer (2)
    Fleet Officer (3)
    · Dauntless (2)
    TIE Fighter: · "Howlrunner" (18)
    Veteran Instincts (1)
    TIE Fighter: · "Chaser" (14)
    TIE Fighter: Academy Pilot (12)
    -- TOTAL
    100p. --
    Lancer-class Pursuit Craft: · Ketsu Onyo (38)
    Stay on Target (2)
    Ion Projector (2)
    K4 Security Droid (3)
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    Inertial Dampeners (1)
    Inertial Dampeners (1)
    Y-Wing: Syndicate Thug (18)
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    Y-Wing: Syndicate Thug (18)
    Twin Laser Turret (6)
    BTL-A4 Y-Wing (0)
    Unhinged Astromech (1)
    -- TOTAL
    100p. --

    As for the tournament I came in second to last and earned it. IG-88A with Asajj Ventris carrying IG-88. I forgot to regain shields every single game and flew like crap, but there were ten of us and it was fun so what more can I ask for? Also I dropped cluster mines directly on ships each game and one-shot Soontir so that felt good. It's the small victories that count.

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  • crimsoncoyotecrimsoncoyote Registered User regular
    edited June 28
    Oh hey it appears the release date is July 13th for the new wave

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Oh I didn't see this box. Registered User regular
    Yeah. I'm surprised.

    Glad I learned today so I can start banking store credit off tourneys.

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  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    TC interviewed the x-wing devs:



    pretty interesting stuff

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Game Designer/Stay-at-home Dad Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Best part of that interview was at 14:33
    OHHHH....YEAAAH!

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  • timspork's ghosttimspork's ghost Librarian and Ghostbuster Registered User regular
    I'm going to play X-Wing y'all! Going to use a Rey with a side of Horton Salm.

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  • timspork's ghosttimspork's ghost Librarian and Ghostbuster Registered User regular
    Okay here is a detailed battle report.


    I have Rey with Expertise, Finn, Kanan, Falcon (TFA) title, Smuggling Compartment, Inertial Dampener, Anti-Pursuit Lasers
    Horton Salm, TLT, The R2-D6, Expertise, Plasma Torpedo, Guidance Chips.

    He had Pure Sabbac, The Duchess, Darth Vader.


    Turn 1. All his go three forward. Falcon is facing them and goes four forward. Horton 3 banks from the right back edge into the middle.

    Turn 2. His guys go a mix of one ant two in. Falcon goes three straight. Horton goes three straight. Vader is out of target lock range for Horton so both he and Rey target lock The Duchess.

    Vader shoots and strips some shields off Rey. Duchess does also. Rey one shots Duchess with four hits and a crit. Horton takes two shields off Vader with the TLT. Sabbac is out or fire arc as he passed Rey.

    Turn 3. Sabbac 1 banks then 1 turns around Rey and comes in behind. Rey throws the emergency breaks on and uses the dampeners to do a 0. Horton does 1 straight and target locks Vader. Vader runs into Rey and losses his last shield to the anti-pursuit lasers.

    Vader fires at Horton and takes off two shields. Rey fires at Sabbac behind her and does two damage. Horton fires a plasma torpedo at Vader. Combined with Expertise and his own ability he rolls two hits and two crits. Vader evades one and explodes.

    My opponent gives up right after that.

    Horton with Expertise is amazing!


    Rey continues to be OP with Finn and Expertise.

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  • FuselageFuselage Bantha Three ValhallaRegistered User regular
    I loved reading that but...

    They gave up? I've never given up in a match, and I lose just about all the time. Weird.

  • crimsoncoyotecrimsoncoyote Registered User regular
    I wouldn't want to deal with a nearly full HP Rey with 2 hull left, let alone a TLT as well. I don't blame the opponent at all.

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  • timspork's ghosttimspork's ghost Librarian and Ghostbuster Registered User regular
    Fuselage wrote: »
    I loved reading that but...

    They gave up? I've never given up in a match, and I lose just about all the time. Weird.

    It was over next turn no matter what. I had a TLT on Horton and whatever Rey could fire. I needed to do only two damage.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Game Designer/Stay-at-home Dad Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Okay here is a detailed battle report.


    I have Rey with Expertise, Finn, Kanan, Falcon (TFA) title, Smuggling Compartment, Inertial Dampener, Anti-Pursuit Lasers
    Horton Salm, TLT, The R2-D6, Expertise, Plasma Torpedo, Guidance Chips.

    He had Pure Sabbac, The Duchess, Darth Vader.


    Turn 1. All his go three forward. Falcon is facing them and goes four forward. Horton 3 banks from the right back edge into the middle.

    Turn 2. His guys go a mix of one ant two in. Falcon goes three straight. Horton goes three straight. Vader is out of target lock range for Horton so both he and Rey target lock The Duchess.

    Vader shoots and strips some shields off Rey. Duchess does also. Rey one shots Duchess with four hits and a crit. Horton takes two shields off Vader with the TLT. Sabbac is out or fire arc as he passed Rey.

    Turn 3. Sabbac 1 banks then 1 turns around Rey and comes in behind. Rey throws the emergency breaks on and uses the dampeners to do a 0. Horton does 1 straight and target locks Vader. Vader runs into Rey and losses his last shield to the anti-pursuit lasers.

    Vader fires at Horton and takes off two shields. Rey fires at Sabbac behind her and does two damage. Horton fires a plasma torpedo at Vader. Combined with Expertise and his own ability he rolls two hits and two crits. Vader evades one and explodes.

    My opponent gives up right after that.

    Horton with Expertise is amazing!


    Rey continues to be OP with Finn and Expertise.

    I haven't been collecting ships since wave 4, so I'm absurdly behind. I still follow the releases though since I love the game itself.

    That being said, I had to plug your squad into a generator to understand how all those cards worked together. Pretty cool stuff, although I do think the TLT being an almost guaranteed 2 damage is bad design.

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