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[Fighting games] CFN name list in the OP! Also frame data and voice chat info!

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Ex scissors is +1 on block so I have been using it a lot.

    Hp blast after cr.mp is a 7 frame gap, I believe, as opposed to a 3 frame gap with mp blast, so it is a tight trap for someone mashing jab.

    I'd prefer to frame trap with a normal after cr.mp to maintain pressure, but there isn't much there because cr.mp is even on block. Sometimes you can psycho axe after to get in for tick throws, if you know they're downbacking.

  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
  • THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »

    he is a fucking madman

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    Whenever I see a new hot pepper gaming I'm alway surprised and pleased that they still exist, they might only have one bit but I enjoy it

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    THESPOOKY wrote: »
    Mr. G wrote: »

    he is a fucking madman

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator Mod Emeritus
    Ex scissors is +1 on block so I have been using it a lot.

    Hp blast after cr.mp is a 7 frame gap, I believe, as opposed to a 3 frame gap with mp blast, so it is a tight trap for someone mashing jab.

    I'd prefer to frame trap with a normal after cr.mp to maintain pressure, but there isn't much there because cr.mp is even on block. Sometimes you can psycho axe after to get in for tick throws, if you know they're downbacking.

    I need to look at spacing and specific characters normals, but I feel right now that anyone can jab after blocking cr.strong for free. There might be some jabs that whiff there, but best we can do is trade jabs if they jabbed. It feels like a pretty zero sum response to a reactable situation.

  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator Mod Emeritus
    I think the only thing that will convince someone who knows cr.strong is even and bison's jab is 4f that they shouldn't press buttons right there is cr.mp xx blast

    Once they respect that, you can start cr.mp, axe and really lay pressure down

  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Servers are officially off now for the next 3 hours

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Knob wrote: »
    Ex scissors is +1 on block so I have been using it a lot.

    Hp blast after cr.mp is a 7 frame gap, I believe, as opposed to a 3 frame gap with mp blast, so it is a tight trap for someone mashing jab.

    I'd prefer to frame trap with a normal after cr.mp to maintain pressure, but there isn't much there because cr.mp is even on block. Sometimes you can psycho axe after to get in for tick throws, if you know they're downbacking.

    I need to look at spacing and specific characters normals, but I feel right now that anyone can jab after blocking cr.strong for free. There might be some jabs that whiff there, but best we can do is trade jabs if they jabbed. It feels like a pretty zero sum response to a reactable situation.

    Check my math:
    Cr.mp is 0 on block, with recovery 12, so when cancelled (on the first frame) it's +12. Mp blast is 15 startup. That leaves 3 frames to stick out a jab; I forget whether the first active frame overlaps with the last startup frame in SF. Even if it does, it will catch anything but 3 frame jabs, in which case you'll just have to end block strings with light blast or light scissors if you think they're jabbing, or use other block strings.

    I think the st.mp, cr.mp chain pushes them too far for a jab to hit, though, so even a mp blast might catch it? This seems to depend on hit boxes. I don't think I've been jabbed after cr.mp. I tend to be able to cr.mp twice, usually.

  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator Mod Emeritus
    Right, I agree with the blast math. I was saying that pushing another button after a blocked cr.mp should lose to a jab every time, so it's important to end with blast to train them that pushing buttons on cr.mp is dangerous

  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity What a lovely day for tea Secret British ThreadRegistered User regular
    Biride against Vega seems to be a decent matchup for birdie looking at some itazan replays

  • T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
    @Kilroy can I get added to the OP? mikeblais

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    So it seems like Bison, if he finishes his block strings, wants to use:

    -Psycho blast on block
    -Inferno on hit for damage and oki
    -Scissors on hit for continued standing pressure (specifically light scissors, as they're +3 on hit)

    I'm not sure when I'd want that +3 instead of the damage and the knockdown, but I guess +3 and being up in their face is pretty solid. You need to walk up a bit for a tick grab, sadly, so you don't get a grab opportunity that beats mashing jabs. But s.mp or cr.mp should beat a jab after scissors.

  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator Mod Emeritus
    Mk scissors is +2 and leaves you close enough for a grab. Anyone with 4 frame jabs can't poke you out of the attempt

  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »

    I may think Nights is a completely garbage game, but I gotta respect that he put himself through that just to talk about it

  • The Sneak!The Sneak! Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »

    I may think Nights is a completely garbage game, but I gotta respect that he put himself through that just to talk about it

    This dude just earned my sub. So did Hot Pepper Gaming!

  • The Sneak!The Sneak! Registered User regular
    Knob wrote: »
    Hopefully I can finally get online tonight!

    DON'T TEASE ME

  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity What a lovely day for tea Secret British ThreadRegistered User regular
    I wanna slob on knob

  • Fig-DFig-D SoCalRegistered User regular
    It's super odd to me that heavier scissor kicks have less hit stun but more block stun.

    SteamID - Fig-D :: PSN - Fig-D
  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Fig-D wrote: »
    It's super odd to me that heavier scissor kicks have less hit stun but more block stun.

    they're supposed to be hit confirms. they don't really want you to use them on block, I think, unless it's at a distance to close in (or it's EX).

    there have always been some slightly counterintuitive frame data progressions with button strength though

  • P10P10 An Idiot With Low IQ Registered User regular
    why'd they schedule for 1pm instead of 1am anyway

    Shameful pursuits and utterly stupid opinions
  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    nighttime in japan?

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I got my fightstiiiiick

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  • gtrmpgtrmp Registered User regular
    it's nice to see that some online players have their priorities in the right place

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-W3-saTJxU

  • ElbasunuElbasunu Registered User regular
    Reposting from G&T. This was very helpful:

    https://youtu.be/0fId0IjLrLE

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    Steam ID: Obos Vent: Obos
  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
  • fRAWRstfRAWRst The Seas Call The Mad AnswerRegistered User regular
    i want them to post that

    every hour

    until march

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  • T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
    take as much time as you need to make it work imo

  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    Boo. Got "Wireless PS3 controllers are not supported" when I plugged in my stick

    FF XIV - Qih'to Furishu (on Siren), Battle.Net - Ilpala#1975
    Switch - SW-7373-3669-3011
    Fuck Joe Manchin
  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    "maintenance extended indefinitely"

    horns.aiff

    this is a discord of mostly PA people interested in fighting games: https://discord.gg/DZWa97d5rz

    we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
  • fRAWRstfRAWRst The Seas Call The Mad AnswerRegistered User regular
    fRAWRst wrote: »
    i want them to post that

    every hour

    until march

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  • DaebunzDaebunz Registered User regular
    i have

    no idea what to do with myself right now

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  • KreutzKreutz Blackwater Park, IARegistered User regular
    I'm about 95% certain the server actually caught fire.

  • Folken FanelFolken Fanel anime af When's KoFRegistered User regular
    i have

    no idea what to do with myself right now

    Kof xiii on steam.

    Come at me bros.

    Twitter: Folken_fgc Steam: folken_ XBL: flashg03 PSN: folken_PA SFV: folken_
    Dyvim Tvar wrote: »
    Characters I hate:

    Everybody @Folken Fanel plays as.
  • The Sneak!The Sneak! Registered User regular
    I mean, I kind of wish they had said "indefinitely" in the first place instead of stringing us along for several hours.

  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    The Sneak! wrote: »
    I mean, I kind of wish they had said "indefinitely" in the first place instead of stringing us along for several hours.

    I doubt they were doing it intentionally

  • KreutzKreutz Blackwater Park, IARegistered User regular
    In all seriousness I wish they would just come out and explain what the hell the issue has been for the past week, and now that the servers are down indefinitely. For as much money as we've spent on the product and as much shit as we've been through with online-dependent single-player content, they owe us that much.

  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    Kreutz wrote: »
    In all seriousness I wish they would just come out and explain what the hell the issue has been for the past week, and now that the servers are down indefinitely. For as much money as we've spent on the product and as much shit as we've been through with online-dependent single-player content, they owe us that much.

    they probably don't know exactly what the issue is

    and as much as this sucks, it's not exactly an outlier. Big online games being broken at launch has been a thing for the past couple of years now

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