I think it's because there is an assumption that die hard fans will see it anyway. So they aim to make it palatable to normie filmgoers. It gets watered down to make an average film that will attract average film goers. Plus it is easier to do a paint by numbers film, it's safe, it fits into the standard way of doing things.
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
Right, but the past two decades of films that didn't go that route being wildly successful, sometimes even when being critical bombs, should dissuade that kind of overcautiousness.
I feel like there's probably examples of films not going that route failing miserably but I can't think of any.
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
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It doesn't need to be foolproof for it to still be a better risk/reward balance. Times have changed and crazy out-there fantasy, sci-fi, etc is absolutely viable with mainstream audiences. Pixar's oeuvre should show that a Smurf film that keeps the original tone and is set in its own world could do really well. It feels like really outdated thinking to me.
Reading the Kotaku review of the movie shifted me from curiosity to mild disappointment. The author's main argument was that the movie was for kids, not longtime Sonic fans in their thirties, so it's okay if it doesn't please those fans.
I'm glad that the movie isn't a garbage fire, but I wish there were more writers who had an interest in the material they adapt. Longtime Archie Sonic comic writer Ian Flynn knew very little about Mega Man when he started writing that series. Even so, he still ended up creating a product that came off as the creation of a longtime Mega Man super fan.
Still, maybe once I see the movie myself I'll end up with a more positive opinion.
Sounds about like I expected. And yeah, Rocky & Bullwinkle's live action film is another strong example of the style. A clear case of a lack of ambition or vision on the part of the studio. I'm not even saying adaptations need to be great, lord knows the Transformers movies weren't, but they were Transformers movies, not a film that happened to have Optimus Prime and Megatron appearing in it. That's the part I don't get. When you run with it, even bad adaptations can spawn five sequels (and counting!). I just find it bizarre when studios option a multi-decade cash cow IP, and then decide to greenlight an inaugural production that is as far-removed from the IP as they can get it. Like, shit is crazy.
Saw it last night, and I don't feel like this is a film that happened to have Sonic in it. Some astonishingly deep cuts in this, and I feel like if it were some other character instead, people would be saying it's ___ in a Sonic Movie.
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I just came out of Sonic the Hedgehog. The movie was fine! I feel like Sonic's characterization was off, more hyperactive lonely kid than the chill free spirit he's usually portrayed as, but it was okay overall.
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I'm glad the Sonic movie is a good time for kids.
I feel like all the irony and jokes around the franchise and its older fans forgets how popular the character is with little kids and pre-teens a lot of the time.
Based on what I've learned about Ken Penders by reading her (extremely good and thorough) Tumblr about that era of Sonic comics, that seems about par for the course for his flavor of asshole.
Its terrifying he was allowed to write comics for children. It does explains a lot about modern sonic fandom though
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Its terrifying he was allowed to write comics for children. It does explains a lot about modern sonic fandom though
He had a lot of good ideas and extremely terrible execution.
George Lucas had a lot of good ideas with terrible execution.
Ken Penders had like three ideas, none of them were very good, and he went hard on the worst of them. I'm speaking as someone who read the Sonic comics looking back in hindsight.
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Its terrifying he was allowed to write comics for children. It does explains a lot about modern sonic fandom though
He had a lot of good ideas and extremely terrible execution.
George Lucas had a lot of good ideas with terrible execution.
Ken Penders had like three ideas, none of them were very good, and he went hard on the worst of them. I'm speaking as someone who read the Sonic comics looking back in hindsight.
I read the Sonic comics religiously until a little after Robo-Robotnik hit the center screen.
The idea of technofascists trapped in an alternate dimension through their hubris is a great idea but holy shit the execution
The idea of visiting 25 years after the main fighting has ended is a great idea but holy shit was it terribly done
And uh, I actually did like the Endgame comics.
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yeah that's what I heard... somewhere. The original design only existed for the shots in the trailer, they hadn't done any more of it yet. Which begs the question of how they were going to have it ready in time for the original release date, actually.
yeah that's what I heard... somewhere. The original design only existed for the shots in the trailer, they hadn't done any more of it yet. Which begs the question of how they were going to have it ready in time for the original release date, actually.
They probably weren't. I suspect they were always gonna delay it and they just used the redesign as an excuse to lengthen it
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
yeah that's what I heard... somewhere. The original design only existed for the shots in the trailer, they hadn't done any more of it yet. Which begs the question of how they were going to have it ready in time for the original release date, actually.
Crunch time.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
At the top of the box office, Paramount's Sonic the Hedgehog is looking to race to an easy victory. The adaptation of the SEGA video game will launch in over 4,100 locations with the studio anticipating a performance in the low $40 million range and should the numbers we're seeing hold it could climb closer to $50 million by the end of the holiday weekend.
IMDb page view comps show the film performing very well over the two weeks leading up to release when placed alongside releases such as Captain Underpants, Detective Pikachu, Angry Birds and even 2015's The SpongeBob Movie: Sponge Out of Water, which debuted with over $55 million in early February 2015. Added to that, early reviews show critics giving the film a barely positive rating of 65% rating on RottenTomatoes. All told, we're looking for a four-day performance topping $45 million and wouldn't be surprised to see it climb even higher. Should our forecast hold we may be looking at the sixth largest Presidents Day opener ever and the third largest opening for a video game adaptation.
Boxofficemojo on Sunday:
Paramount's Sonic the Hedgehog exploded onto screens this Presidents' Day weekend, delivering the largest opening weekend ever for a video game adaptation to go along with an estimated $68 million, four-day holiday debut. Meanwhile Sony's Fantasy Island and Universal's The Photograph are neck-and-neck in a race for third and Searchlight's Downhill finished just inside the top ten.
With an estimated $57 million three-day performance, Paramount's Sonic the Hedgehog topped last May's Pokemon Detective Pikachu to become the largest three-day opening ever for a video game adaptation. The film, based on the iconic SEGA video game, is expected to finish around $68 million for the four-day holiday frame, which would be the fourth largest Presidents' Day opening ever, with some anticipating the film will top $70 million by the time the long, holiday weekend is over.
Expected $40 million, got $57 million. Not huge blockbuster numbers, but that puts it roughly on part with Ant-Man, John Wick 3, and Moana's opening weekends.
Mainstream media was laughing about the old design. It was just a bad idea all around.
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Johnny ChopsockyScootaloo! We have to cook!Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered Userregular
In other SEGA news, the Bayonetta/Vanquish 10 Year Anniversary Remaster dropped on consoles today. Picked up Vanquish by its lonesome, because dammit I'm not buying Bayo 1 for the fourth time especially when I already own it on my other console (Switch).
Jesus Christ, Vanquish is just 31 flavors of bonkers from the jump. Definitely no slouch in the difficulty part, even on Normal.
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like all the flashy character action shit is cool and all but nothing has quite tickled my fancy like being able to rocket slide on your knees at an enemy, pop them into the air, aim up and deliver two shotgun pumps to their chest as they sail past you as you continue to slide under them, in slow motion
and then have a smoke afterwards with the press of a button
like all the flashy character action shit is cool and all but nothing has quite tickled my fancy like being able to rocket slide on your knees at an enemy, pop them into the air, aim up and deliver two shotgun pumps to their chest as they sail past you as you continue to slide under them, in slow motion
and then have a smoke afterwards with the press of a button
Clearing all six challenges is probably the most hardcore thing I've ever accomplished.
While I'm glad the Sonic movie was decent and is doing well in theaters I'm still a bit disappointed that they weren't more ambitious with it. "Sonic goes on a road trip with a cop to San Francisco" isn't quite as interesting as the premises of pretty much any other media adaptation in the franchise.
It makes me a bit more convinced that the upcoming Mega Man movie probably won't please me no matter what the filmmakers do, even if it ends up being a decent kids movie. To me one of the biggest appeals of the Mega Man franchise is that it's bright and cheery on the surface with an undercurrent of darkness, seeing as ultimately the setting of the franchise is a house of cards that keeps being destroyed and rebuilt over multiple generations and thousands of years.
My only major complaint is you take Sonic to San Francisco, you have an action scene in the streets, and you don’t have the COURAGE or DECENCY to play even a hint of Escape from the City, we deserve an APOLOGY
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I'm glad that the movie isn't a garbage fire, but I wish there were more writers who had an interest in the material they adapt. Longtime Archie Sonic comic writer Ian Flynn knew very little about Mega Man when he started writing that series. Even so, he still ended up creating a product that came off as the creation of a longtime Mega Man super fan.
Still, maybe once I see the movie myself I'll end up with a more positive opinion.
Saw it last night, and I don't feel like this is a film that happened to have Sonic in it. Some astonishingly deep cuts in this, and I feel like if it were some other character instead, people would be saying it's ___ in a Sonic Movie.
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Nice.
I feel like all the irony and jokes around the franchise and its older fans forgets how popular the character is with little kids and pre-teens a lot of the time.
Ben menaces an innocent speedrunner with discussions of mortality and flexes his own speedrunning prowess.
Based on what I've learned about Ken Penders by reading her (extremely good and thorough) Tumblr about that era of Sonic comics, that seems about par for the course for his flavor of asshole.
He had a lot of good ideas and extremely terrible execution.
George Lucas had a lot of good ideas with terrible execution.
Ken Penders had like three ideas, none of them were very good, and he went hard on the worst of them. I'm speaking as someone who read the Sonic comics looking back in hindsight.
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I read the Sonic comics religiously until a little after Robo-Robotnik hit the center screen.
The idea of technofascists trapped in an alternate dimension through their hubris is a great idea but holy shit the execution
The idea of visiting 25 years after the main fighting has ended is a great idea but holy shit was it terribly done
And uh, I actually did like the Endgame comics.
I enjoyed it. I dont think its gonna light the world on fire or anything but it was fun enough and didnt look like a disaster anymore
I hope special features later have more of the original cut we can see just for goofs
Special feature that puts the original Sonic model back in
Apparently was only ever in the one trailer
They probably weren't. I suspect they were always gonna delay it and they just used the redesign as an excuse to lengthen it
Crunch time.
Boxofficemojo on Sunday: Expected $40 million, got $57 million. Not huge blockbuster numbers, but that puts it roughly on part with Ant-Man, John Wick 3, and Moana's opening weekends.
it wasn't just the fandom shitting on the old design, the whole world was doing it
I have never seen the hellsite that is twitter more unified
Jesus Christ, Vanquish is just 31 flavors of bonkers from the jump. Definitely no slouch in the difficulty part, even on Normal.
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i had a bigass poster of the boxart on my wall for years
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and then have a smoke afterwards with the press of a button
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guess the voice actor
hint:
Clearing all six challenges is probably the most hardcore thing I've ever accomplished.
Is that Handsome Jack before the accident?
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Alan Tudyk?
It makes me a bit more convinced that the upcoming Mega Man movie probably won't please me no matter what the filmmakers do, even if it ends up being a decent kids movie. To me one of the biggest appeals of the Mega Man franchise is that it's bright and cheery on the surface with an undercurrent of darkness, seeing as ultimately the setting of the franchise is a house of cards that keeps being destroyed and rebuilt over multiple generations and thousands of years.