Between this and the political situation of the galaxy, we should retitle this to "The [Star Wars] thread where everything not explicitly stated is an oversight" or something
"Now that everyone's seen the movie, let's nitpick it to death."
Between this and the political situation of the galaxy, we should retitle this to "The [Star Wars] thread where everything not explicitly stated is an oversight" or something
"Now that everyone's seen the movie, let's nitpick it to death."
General movie spoilers, re: current Rey and Leia discussion
All the Leia scenes felt a bit off for me, but it may have been because I was waaaay more invested in the newer characters and was basically waiting for her to shuffle offscreen.
That having been said, the Leia/ Rey hug didn't seem too out of place to me. It's one of the times where I feel like "It was the Force" handwaving is actually justified.
They're both very force sensitive (I believe it was implied by Yoda in the original trilogy that Leia could have been just as strong a Jedi as Luke if given the same training), and both experiencing some strong emotions. Sure, Chewy probably in a rougher emotional state than Rey, but he's not a force user. Heck, Leia may even be picking up on some visions of Han's death from Rey's memories.
I'm willing to let it slide, but I can see how it can fall flat for some viewers. Fisher's performance is very... restrained in the movie, it's kind of hard to tell what the character is meant to be thinking.
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Yeah but so was Chewie and Leia didn't even look at him.
It's because Rey is the jedi now and thus cemented her role as primary protagonist. That's the first and last the reason.
No, that's needlessly cynical and reductive
This is literally the first time Rey and Leia meet. Apart from 'the Force' there's not even any explanation that each one knows who the other is. Rey was kidnapped before the resistance came and had never met Poe or Leia or anyone in the Resistance up to that point. They don't even introduce themselves before embracing one another. It's a tiny detail, but it's a super weird tiny detail to add when you think about it, other than 'let's have these two primary characters interact and it's the end of the film so no real time for exposition, so let's just have them be close immediately'.
They DON'T know each other. But they both know the other is grieving so they hug to share that grief. Chewy is busy taking care of Finn, he's too mentally occupied to be filled with grief, but Rey isn't and Leia isn't, and so they hug to support each other. How is this so hard to grasp?
I grasp it just fine. You can obviously rationalize it, just like you can perfectly rationalize Chewbacca not getting getting a medal in ANH, or how they decided to have Obi-Wan and R2-D2 be pals in the prequels, despite Alec Guinness explicitly saying 'I don't know this droid' in the first film. Doesn't change the fact that it stands out. Oversights happen in films. This definitely feels like one of them.
Right, so one of the most touching and emotionally charged moments in the film is an oversight. Ok, sure.
My issue isn't that the scene itself is an oversight, because it's not, it's with the characters who took part in said scene and the roles they play. Rey obviously cares more about Finn than she did Han, and Chewbacca definitely cares more about Han than Finn, so it's strange that the decision was made to essentially swap their positions that would have made the most sense; with Chewie and Leia sharing the moment of mourning for Han, and Rey ensuring that her first and best friend survives. And given the lack of history between Rey and Leia, the decision to do so seems to have been made because of Rey's position as primary protagonist
Chewie immediately goes for alone time, and Rey knows finn is alive and goes and checks on her after the hug
People can perform more than one similar action
Chewie probably also got a hug
And Rey and Leia both loved Han, they are sharing a moment of grief
this is super weird dude, this is like
a basic human emotional action
You seem very intent on rejecting the idea that something is done with the impetus being 'this is the main character' when it happens in films constantly. It's an incredibly effective way of getting the audience to care more about something, because that character is generally one the audience is most invested in. And it's fine that they decided to do that in this case, because it works (I completely forgot that Rey and Leia had never seen each other before in my first viewing) but on subsequent watches, it's definitely a question I asked, just like "why didn't they give Chewie a medal?" I also didn't notice that after the first time watching A New Hope, and in the long run it doesn't really matter, or take away from the gravitas of the scene, but it definitely feels like a detail oversight
Yeah but so was Chewie and Leia didn't even look at him.
It's because Rey is the jedi now and thus cemented her role as primary protagonist. That's the first and last the reason.
No, that's needlessly cynical and reductive
This is literally the first time Rey and Leia meet. Apart from 'the Force' there's not even any explanation that each one knows who the other is. Rey was kidnapped before the resistance came and had never met Poe or Leia or anyone in the Resistance up to that point. They don't even introduce themselves before embracing one another. It's a tiny detail, but it's a super weird tiny detail to add when you think about it, other than 'let's have these two primary characters interact and it's the end of the film so no real time for exposition, so let's just have them be close immediately'.
They DON'T know each other. But they both know the other is grieving so they hug to share that grief. Chewy is busy taking care of Finn, he's too mentally occupied to be filled with grief, but Rey isn't and Leia isn't, and so they hug to support each other. How is this so hard to grasp?
I grasp it just fine. You can obviously rationalize it, just like you can perfectly rationalize Chewbacca not getting getting a medal in ANH, or how they decided to have Obi-Wan and R2-D2 be pals in the prequels, despite Alec Guinness explicitly saying 'I don't know this droid' in the first film. Doesn't change the fact that it stands out. Oversights happen in films. This definitely feels like one of them.
Right, so one of the most touching and emotionally charged moments in the film is an oversight. Ok, sure.
uh, there was some real emotion in the film but that moment wasn't it
my immediate thought was that a lot of maz's dialogue with rey was written for leia and the change never extended as far as the last scene.
Yeah but so was Chewie and Leia didn't even look at him.
It's because Rey is the jedi now and thus cemented her role as primary protagonist. That's the first and last the reason.
No, that's needlessly cynical and reductive
This is literally the first time Rey and Leia meet. Apart from 'the Force' there's not even any explanation that each one knows who the other is. Rey was kidnapped before the resistance came and had never met Poe or Leia or anyone in the Resistance up to that point. They don't even introduce themselves before embracing one another. It's a tiny detail, but it's a super weird tiny detail to add when you think about it, other than 'let's have these two primary characters interact and it's the end of the film so no real time for exposition, so let's just have them be close immediately'.
They DON'T know each other. But they both know the other is grieving so they hug to share that grief. Chewy is busy taking care of Finn, he's too mentally occupied to be filled with grief, but Rey isn't and Leia isn't, and so they hug to support each other. How is this so hard to grasp?
I grasp it just fine. You can obviously rationalize it, just like you can perfectly rationalize Chewbacca not getting getting a medal in ANH, or how they decided to have Obi-Wan and R2-D2 be pals in the prequels, despite Alec Guinness explicitly saying 'I don't know this droid' in the first film. Doesn't change the fact that it stands out. Oversights happen in films. This definitely feels like one of them.
Right, so one of the most touching and emotionally charged moments in the film is an oversight. Ok, sure.
uh, there was some real emotion in the film but that moment wasn't it
my immediate thought was that a lot of maz's dialogue with rey was written for leia and the change never extended as far as the last scene.
Hearing Chewbacca's roar after Han is impaled was way more emotionall impactful, for me. Very "Luke sees Obi-Wan cut down" but multiplied dramatically, given the history of the characters, and how long it lingers on the shot.
Also, we're in the closing stages of the movie at this point, and they probably really needed to at least have Rey/Leia at least meet each other before the end, since they're both very likely going to play important roles in the other films. Establishing character links between old and new was one of the main jobs this movie had.
Also, we're in the closing stages of the movie at this point, and they probably really needed to at least have Rey/Leia at least meet each other before the end, since they're both very likely going to play important roles in the other films. Establishing character links between old and new was one of the main jobs this movie had.
for me it's feasible, probably necessary, and highly ineffective
Yeah but so was Chewie and Leia didn't even look at him.
It's because Rey is the jedi now and thus cemented her role as primary protagonist. That's the first and last the reason.
No, that's needlessly cynical and reductive
This is literally the first time Rey and Leia meet. Apart from 'the Force' there's not even any explanation that each one knows who the other is. Rey was kidnapped before the resistance came and had never met Poe or Leia or anyone in the Resistance up to that point. They don't even introduce themselves before embracing one another. It's a tiny detail, but it's a super weird tiny detail to add when you think about it, other than 'let's have these two primary characters interact and it's the end of the film so no real time for exposition, so let's just have them be close immediately'.
They DON'T know each other. But they both know the other is grieving so they hug to share that grief. Chewy is busy taking care of Finn, he's too mentally occupied to be filled with grief, but Rey isn't and Leia isn't, and so they hug to support each other. How is this so hard to grasp?
I grasp it just fine. You can obviously rationalize it, just like you can perfectly rationalize Chewbacca not getting getting a medal in ANH, or how they decided to have Obi-Wan and R2-D2 be pals in the prequels, despite Alec Guinness explicitly saying 'I don't know this droid' in the first film. Doesn't change the fact that it stands out. Oversights happen in films. This definitely feels like one of them.
Right, so one of the most touching and emotionally charged moments in the film is an oversight. Ok, sure.
My issue isn't that the scene itself is an oversight, because it's not, it's with the characters who took part in said scene and the roles they play. Rey obviously cares more about Finn than she did Han, and Chewbacca definitely cares more about Han than Finn, so it's strange that the decision was made to essentially swap their positions that would have made the most sense; with Chewie and Leia sharing the moment of mourning for Han, and Rey ensuring that her first and best friend survives. And given the lack of history between Rey and Leia, the decision to do so seems to have been made because of Rey's position as primary protagonist
Chewie immediately goes for alone time, and Rey knows finn is alive and goes and checks on her after the hug
People can perform more than one similar action
Chewie probably also got a hug
And Rey and Leia both loved Han, they are sharing a moment of grief
this is super weird dude, this is like
a basic human emotional action
You seem very intent on rejecting the idea that something is done with the impetus being 'this is the main character' when it happens in films constantly. It's an incredibly effective way of getting the audience to care more about something, because that character is generally one the audience is most invested in. And it's fine that they decided to do that in this case, because it works (I completely forgot that Rey and Leia had never seen each other before in my first viewing) but on subsequent watches, it's definitely a question I asked, just like "why didn't they give Chewie a medal?" I also didn't notice that after the first time watching A New Hope, and in the long run it doesn't really matter, or take away from the gravitas of the scene, but it definitely feels like a detail oversight
and you seem very intent on rejecting human emotions so I don't think this is going to go anywhere
its a fine moment that fits the emotional and narrative arcs of both characters perfectly
Yeah but so was Chewie and Leia didn't even look at him.
It's because Rey is the jedi now and thus cemented her role as primary protagonist. That's the first and last the reason.
No, that's needlessly cynical and reductive
This is literally the first time Rey and Leia meet. Apart from 'the Force' there's not even any explanation that each one knows who the other is. Rey was kidnapped before the resistance came and had never met Poe or Leia or anyone in the Resistance up to that point. They don't even introduce themselves before embracing one another. It's a tiny detail, but it's a super weird tiny detail to add when you think about it, other than 'let's have these two primary characters interact and it's the end of the film so no real time for exposition, so let's just have them be close immediately'.
They DON'T know each other. But they both know the other is grieving so they hug to share that grief. Chewy is busy taking care of Finn, he's too mentally occupied to be filled with grief, but Rey isn't and Leia isn't, and so they hug to support each other. How is this so hard to grasp?
I grasp it just fine. You can obviously rationalize it, just like you can perfectly rationalize Chewbacca not getting getting a medal in ANH, or how they decided to have Obi-Wan and R2-D2 be pals in the prequels, despite Alec Guinness explicitly saying 'I don't know this droid' in the first film. Doesn't change the fact that it stands out. Oversights happen in films. This definitely feels like one of them.
Right, so one of the most touching and emotionally charged moments in the film is an oversight. Ok, sure.
My issue isn't that the scene itself is an oversight, because it's not, it's with the characters who took part in said scene and the roles they play. Rey obviously cares more about Finn than she did Han, and Chewbacca definitely cares more about Han than Finn, so it's strange that the decision was made to essentially swap their positions that would have made the most sense; with Chewie and Leia sharing the moment of mourning for Han, and Rey ensuring that her first and best friend survives. And given the lack of history between Rey and Leia, the decision to do so seems to have been made because of Rey's position as primary protagonist
Chewie immediately goes for alone time, and Rey knows finn is alive and goes and checks on her after the hug
People can perform more than one similar action
Chewie probably also got a hug
And Rey and Leia both loved Han, they are sharing a moment of grief
this is super weird dude, this is like
a basic human emotional action
You seem very intent on rejecting the idea that something is done with the impetus being 'this is the main character' when it happens in films constantly. It's an incredibly effective way of getting the audience to care more about something, because that character is generally one the audience is most invested in. And it's fine that they decided to do that in this case, because it works (I completely forgot that Rey and Leia had never seen each other before in my first viewing) but on subsequent watches, it's definitely a question I asked, just like "why didn't they give Chewie a medal?" I also didn't notice that after the first time watching A New Hope, and in the long run it doesn't really matter, or take away from the gravitas of the scene, but it definitely feels like a detail oversight
and you seem very intent on rejecting human emotions so I don't think this is going to go anywhere
its a fine moment that fits the emotional and narrative arcs of both characters perfectly
Maybe I'm miscommunicating, because human emotions and the display thereof has nothing to do with my argument.
Basically my point is, after a second viewing, I'm disagreeing with the directoral decision to have an emotional scene with these specific characters (Leia/Rey) when there was a better choice available (Leia and Chewbacca). Using Chewie would have improved the emotional impact of the scene, for me, given the characters extremely long, shared history. And the decision to use Rey instead, definitely feels like a decision that was made because this series seems more or less about Rey now, like the OT became about Luke.
Between this and the political situation of the galaxy, we should retitle this to "The [Star Wars] thread where everything not explicitly stated is an oversight" or something
"Now that everyone's seen the movie, let's nitpick it to death."
This would be so much worse if the vast majority of the EU was still canon.
Who hugs who is nothing compared to "well its x years after ROTJ, why isn't the First order using TIE Defenders and Missile Boats?"
I fucking loved TIE Defenders but that's not the point.
Yeah but so was Chewie and Leia didn't even look at him.
It's because Rey is the jedi now and thus cemented her role as primary protagonist. That's the first and last the reason.
No, that's needlessly cynical and reductive
This is literally the first time Rey and Leia meet. Apart from 'the Force' there's not even any explanation that each one knows who the other is. Rey was kidnapped before the resistance came and had never met Poe or Leia or anyone in the Resistance up to that point. They don't even introduce themselves before embracing one another. It's a tiny detail, but it's a super weird tiny detail to add when you think about it, other than 'let's have these two primary characters interact and it's the end of the film so no real time for exposition, so let's just have them be close immediately'.
They DON'T know each other. But they both know the other is grieving so they hug to share that grief. Chewy is busy taking care of Finn, he's too mentally occupied to be filled with grief, but Rey isn't and Leia isn't, and so they hug to support each other. How is this so hard to grasp?
I grasp it just fine. You can obviously rationalize it, just like you can perfectly rationalize Chewbacca not getting getting a medal in ANH, or how they decided to have Obi-Wan and R2-D2 be pals in the prequels, despite Alec Guinness explicitly saying 'I don't know this droid' in the first film. Doesn't change the fact that it stands out. Oversights happen in films. This definitely feels like one of them.
Right, so one of the most touching and emotionally charged moments in the film is an oversight. Ok, sure.
My issue isn't that the scene itself is an oversight, because it's not, it's with the characters who took part in said scene and the roles they play. Rey obviously cares more about Finn than she did Han, and Chewbacca definitely cares more about Han than Finn, so it's strange that the decision was made to essentially swap their positions that would have made the most sense; with Chewie and Leia sharing the moment of mourning for Han, and Rey ensuring that her first and best friend survives. And given the lack of history between Rey and Leia, the decision to do so seems to have been made because of Rey's position as primary protagonist
Chewie immediately goes for alone time, and Rey knows finn is alive and goes and checks on her after the hug
People can perform more than one similar action
Chewie probably also got a hug
And Rey and Leia both loved Han, they are sharing a moment of grief
this is super weird dude, this is like
a basic human emotional action
You seem very intent on rejecting the idea that something is done with the impetus being 'this is the main character' when it happens in films constantly. It's an incredibly effective way of getting the audience to care more about something, because that character is generally one the audience is most invested in. And it's fine that they decided to do that in this case, because it works (I completely forgot that Rey and Leia had never seen each other before in my first viewing) but on subsequent watches, it's definitely a question I asked, just like "why didn't they give Chewie a medal?" I also didn't notice that after the first time watching A New Hope, and in the long run it doesn't really matter, or take away from the gravitas of the scene, but it definitely feels like a detail oversight
and you seem very intent on rejecting human emotions so I don't think this is going to go anywhere
its a fine moment that fits the emotional and narrative arcs of both characters perfectly
Maybe I'm miscommunicating, because human emotions and the display thereof has nothing to do with my argument.
Thats kind of the problem
you're ignoring an emotional reaction the two characters have and share from an event because it doesn't fit structurally as well as some other outcome you have in your head
but based on the background and interactions the two characters have had it makes perfect sense they would share this emotional moment
the fact that you have a reason this doesn't work that ignores the emotional component is, in fact, kind of my point!
So the reason I think people have such a negative reaction to the name "Snoke"
I think Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher do a really bad job of selling that the name has history and meaning to them
When they say that Snoke is the one that seduced Ben away, I don't believe it
It sounds like they made it up on the spot
They have the same amount of venom in their voice for the man(?) who took their son away from them as they would for the neighbor down the street who still has their Christmas lights up in February
So the reason I think people have such a negative reaction to the name "Snoke"
I think Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher do a really bad job of selling that the name has history and meaning to them
When they say that Snoke is the one that seduced Ben away, I don't believe it
It sounds like they made it up on the spot
They have the same amount of venom in their voice for the man(?) who took their son away from them as they would for the neighbor down the street who still has their Christmas lights up in February
Also it is a very silly name that sounds like schnook, that don't help
nah. if you need to explain something with "well, they're both force sensitive?" you can't hassle people for not fully buying it.
it's an abnormal moment that breaks normal human social convention. it pulled me out of the movie and obviously did so for others.
That isn't the explanation, or at least not the primary one
Leia talks to han, han describes his attachment to Rey. He talks her up, there is a father daughter thing. She feels han die. She hugs rey and they share a moment of mourning
So the reason I think people have such a negative reaction to the name "Snoke"
I think Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher do a really bad job of selling that the name has history and meaning to them
When they say that Snoke is the one that seduced Ben away, I don't believe it
It sounds like they made it up on the spot
They have the same amount of venom in their voice for the man(?) who took their son away from them as they would for the neighbor down the street who still has their Christmas lights up in February
Yeah but so was Chewie and Leia didn't even look at him.
It's because Rey is the jedi now and thus cemented her role as primary protagonist. That's the first and last the reason.
No, that's needlessly cynical and reductive
This is literally the first time Rey and Leia meet. Apart from 'the Force' there's not even any explanation that each one knows who the other is. Rey was kidnapped before the resistance came and had never met Poe or Leia or anyone in the Resistance up to that point. They don't even introduce themselves before embracing one another. It's a tiny detail, but it's a super weird tiny detail to add when you think about it, other than 'let's have these two primary characters interact and it's the end of the film so no real time for exposition, so let's just have them be close immediately'.
They DON'T know each other. But they both know the other is grieving so they hug to share that grief. Chewy is busy taking care of Finn, he's too mentally occupied to be filled with grief, but Rey isn't and Leia isn't, and so they hug to support each other. How is this so hard to grasp?
I grasp it just fine. You can obviously rationalize it, just like you can perfectly rationalize Chewbacca not getting getting a medal in ANH, or how they decided to have Obi-Wan and R2-D2 be pals in the prequels, despite Alec Guinness explicitly saying 'I don't know this droid' in the first film. Doesn't change the fact that it stands out. Oversights happen in films. This definitely feels like one of them.
Right, so one of the most touching and emotionally charged moments in the film is an oversight. Ok, sure.
uh, there was some real emotion in the film but that moment wasn't it
my immediate thought was that a lot of maz's dialogue with rey was written for leia and the change never extended as far as the last scene.
If that scene wasn't emotional, then why does it make me cry?
It's not just the hug, it's the music, really, that gets me. They're hugging to mourn Han, and the music that has always played for loving Han plays. And Han is gone, and the music will never play again, because Han is GONE and never coming back. All that put together with the visuals of the characters and the score in that moment and it gets me EVERY time.
So yes, it's an emotional moment.
Before following any advice, opinions, or thoughts I may have expressed in the above post, be warned: I found Keven Costners "Waterworld" to be a very entertaining film.
So the reason I think people have such a negative reaction to the name "Snoke"
I think Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher do a really bad job of selling that the name has history and meaning to them
When they say that Snoke is the one that seduced Ben away, I don't believe it
It sounds like they made it up on the spot
They have the same amount of venom in their voice for the man(?) who took their son away from them as they would for the neighbor down the street who still has their Christmas lights up in February
Also it is a very silly name that sounds like schnook, that don't help
With the context of how the First Order is portrayed the name made me think of the politicians in V for Vendetta for some reason. Would probably fit well with names like Creedy.
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So the reason I think people have such a negative reaction to the name "Snoke"
I think Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher do a really bad job of selling that the name has history and meaning to them
When they say that Snoke is the one that seduced Ben away, I don't believe it
It sounds like they made it up on the spot
They have the same amount of venom in their voice for the man(?) who took their son away from them as they would for the neighbor down the street who still has their Christmas lights up in February
Also Snoke is a stupid, stupid name
Count Dooku.
Dooku.
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So the reason I think people have such a negative reaction to the name "Snoke"
I think Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher do a really bad job of selling that the name has history and meaning to them
When they say that Snoke is the one that seduced Ben away, I don't believe it
It sounds like they made it up on the spot
They have the same amount of venom in their voice for the man(?) who took their son away from them as they would for the neighbor down the street who still has their Christmas lights up in February
Also Snoke is a stupid, stupid name
Count Dooku.
Dooku.
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I look forward to the reveal that Snoke is...
the same size Gollum. Andy Serkis has got to be tired of wearing all those motion capture get-ups.
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I thought only one source said this and he denied it himself
I don't really think he'd be interested in that, it seems like kind of a joke turned rumor to me
Okay, now it's officially Star Wars
it is listed on his IMDB
That having been said, the Leia/ Rey hug didn't seem too out of place to me. It's one of the times where I feel like "It was the Force" handwaving is actually justified.
They're both very force sensitive (I believe it was implied by Yoda in the original trilogy that Leia could have been just as strong a Jedi as Luke if given the same training), and both experiencing some strong emotions. Sure, Chewy probably in a rougher emotional state than Rey, but he's not a force user. Heck, Leia may even be picking up on some visions of Han's death from Rey's memories.
I'm willing to let it slide, but I can see how it can fall flat for some viewers. Fisher's performance is very... restrained in the movie, it's kind of hard to tell what the character is meant to be thinking.
uh, there was some real emotion in the film but that moment wasn't it
ah. I guess time will tell once more reliable sources are revealed.
If not true,
for me it's feasible, probably necessary, and highly ineffective
and you seem very intent on rejecting human emotions so I don't think this is going to go anywhere
its a fine moment that fits the emotional and narrative arcs of both characters perfectly
He's making his point very respectfully and you're calling him a robot who doesn't understand human emotions. You're being a goose
Maybe I'm miscommunicating, because human emotions and the display thereof has nothing to do with my argument.
This would be so much worse if the vast majority of the EU was still canon.
Who hugs who is nothing compared to "well its x years after ROTJ, why isn't the First order using TIE Defenders and Missile Boats?"
I fucking loved TIE Defenders but that's not the point.
Thats kind of the problem
you're ignoring an emotional reaction the two characters have and share from an event because it doesn't fit structurally as well as some other outcome you have in your head
but based on the background and interactions the two characters have had it makes perfect sense they would share this emotional moment
the fact that you have a reason this doesn't work that ignores the emotional component is, in fact, kind of my point!
I think the continued ignoring of what should be an easy to understand emotional point is really weird, yes
When they say that Snoke is the one that seduced Ben away, I don't believe it
It sounds like they made it up on the spot
They have the same amount of venom in their voice for the man(?) who took their son away from them as they would for the neighbor down the street who still has their Christmas lights up in February
Ah yes nitpick avoidance decree 66
Also it is a very silly name that sounds like schnook, that don't help
it's an abnormal moment that breaks normal human social convention. it pulled me out of the movie and obviously did so for others.
That isn't the explanation, or at least not the primary one
its an easy through-line that is not confusing
Also Snoke is a stupid, stupid name
If that scene wasn't emotional, then why does it make me cry?
So yes, it's an emotional moment.
With the context of how the First Order is portrayed the name made me think of the politicians in V for Vendetta for some reason. Would probably fit well with names like Creedy.
Count Dooku.
Dooku.
Snoke is better than Darth Evildarkbadguy
And pretty clearly an alias...
But it's not in ALL CAPS in the opening crawl, so, boom!, another oversight/plot hole/lazy writing, etc etc
Personally I think it is true but I will concede that a 100% reliable source hasn't come to the attention of me or this thread at this point in time
Who was drank by Emperor Shwab, who was guzzled by Emperor Olof, who was slurped by Emperor Throm...
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