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[Heroes of the Storm] There is no new hero, ONLY XUL.

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    I have a bad habit with her to press Z to dismount as a force of habit
    I really feel dumb when it happens

  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    edited December 2015
    I think at this point it's safe to say that Lunara is definitively underpowered. She's very fun to play, she has a neat playstyle, but she is not strong. She's very underwhelming, her impact is rather low, and you'd be better off picking any other ranged Assassin.

    Arthelon (formerly of Tempo Storm, now on C9, one of the best pro players out there) wrote up a really good post on Lunara's shortcomings: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/3yf3fe/my_problems_with_lunara_and_suggestions/

    A lot of people try and defend her as a "niche pick", that she "fills a certain role". Except, well, she doesn't. She's just straight up undertuned. What role does she fill? AoE damage? That just makes her a worse Jaina/Kael, then. Sustained/harrass? Welp, that just makes her a worse Raynor/Valla, then.

    Her problem isn't necessarily that she doesn't do enough damage, it's that she doesn't do enough damage that matters. Because her primary damage source is her poison, and because it's a DoT, it's... mostly neglible. Regen and healing effects negate a lot of it. It doesn't do anything to secure or enable kills, really. Her single target damage is actually kinda decent, but it's much too reliant on her 7/16 W talents (and Leaping Strike, which means you're not getting Thornwood). Either way, her damage might look nice on the scoreboard, but in reality it's just meter padding. It's like when Stitches used to do a ton of Hero damage via his Trait.

    The reality of the situation is that she needs more damage, in some form or another. If you're gonna have a DoT character, that DoT better damn well hit hard. I also really like the suggestion of removing Wisp as an ability and giving her a new E. That would help too! She just needs something. I doubt we'll see much this upcoming patch, aside from maybe buffing her health. Maybe.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    If Arthelon is on C9 now, did C9 remove someone from their roster?

  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    If Arthelon is on C9 now, did C9 remove someone from their roster?

    Yep.

    http://cloud9.gg/news/fan-arthelon

    And Fan's own post on the matter: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1so38tk

    Rumor has it Fan is going to join Bob Ross Fan Club, given that there's a vacant spot since Arthelon left them for C9.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    You know, I'm not a team manager, and I'm sure there's a lot of "behind the scenes" things that I'm completely unaware of.

    But why is C9 changing their roster when the 5 people they had literally are the best in the world. They are the world champions. They beat everybody else. Those 5 people, that combination of skill, communication, talent combined allowed them to completely dominate the world stage at Blizzcon.

    Why change that?

    I mean, Arthelon is a super talented dude. But C9 didn't need a roster change. They had a winning roster.

  • Lucid_SeraphLucid_Seraph TealDeer MarylandRegistered User regular
    There are few things more satisfying than playing Brightwing and constantly shutting down a Nova because you took the Reveal on Phase Shift talent.

    "Hi Nova. Hi Nova. Hi Nova. Hi Nova. Have some Polymorph. Also, my friends are here."

    Similarly, Illidan using the Hunt on you as BW because he thinks you're easy pickings, and then immediately slapping him with Polymorph when he arrives, while your buddy just smacks him in the face.

  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Her low HP release coinciding with Nova GP stupidity is probably causing some of the skew, too. I bet if they buffed her HP to be more in line with other heroes, she would start winning more games. Now once she gets caught she's dead, and no amount of healing is going to save her.

    Maybe some sort of front-loading mechanic on her DoTs would work, too, even if they don't change the overall damage. Like, every time you apply/reapply the DoT the next tick does more damage or something.

  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    You know, I'm not a team manager, and I'm sure there's a lot of "behind the scenes" things that I'm completely unaware of.

    But why is C9 changing their roster when the 5 people they had literally are the best in the world. They are the world champions. They beat everybody else. Those 5 people, that combination of skill, communication, talent combined allowed them to completely dominate the world stage at Blizzcon.

    Why change that?

    I mean, Arthelon is a super talented dude. But C9 didn't need a roster change. They had a winning roster.

    I mean, it's probably exactly that. There's probably some behind-the-scenes stuff. C9 recently went to that tournament in China, and they apparently didn't perform too well. They got 4th place, but they got knocked down to loser's bracket pretty early.

    But, from what I could gather, there was apparently some differences of opinions between Fan and the rest of the roster, I guess. Enough for Fan to want to leave, I guess.

    It's not that uncommon, I mean. It's the same reason they dropped Biceps originally for Fan, despite being incredibly strong at the time. If there's an opportunity to make your roster even stronger, of course you will.

    I mean Tempo Storm had a similar issue, sorta. Much more extreme than C9's case, but still. There was a lot of internal strife and conflicts on the team, but due to Blizzcon rules they had to keep the roster locked. The team manager even went so far to say that they would've changed the roster months ago if they could've.

    I dunno. Esports, man. Esports.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited December 2015
    Yeah, I understand the Tempo Storm stuff. I was a little surprised when they fired Arthelon, but Zuna was not a surprise. Zuna is way too emotional of a player and too easy to put on tilt. I watched him throw multiple games for TS and knew he wouldn't be with the team much longer.

    Arthelon, however, always performed well and never seemed like there was an issue from the front end. Obviously something behind the scenes made them want that change.

    All the best to him on C9. And all the best to Fan too. I was a Fan fan.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    They had a ton of logistical and scheduling problems during that trip, too. I'm not surprised that any underlying team dynamic problems blew up on them when they faced a lot of difficult issues at once.

  • Tim is on the InternetTim is on the Internet On the Internet Edmonton, ABRegistered User regular
    Solo supporting as Tassadar is a nightmare when your team refuses to concentrate on Morales.

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  • Maledict66Maledict66 Registered User regular
    The fact that wisp has a longer cooldown than Kael's ult is ridiculous. That ability is so under tuned it's obscene - why are they so terrified of a ward given we already have Zagara and Tyrande? They could easily have the cooldown, increase the speed, make it take two hits to kill and reveal stealthier on death and it would be fine. It honestly don't understand how anyone in development signed off on that ability thinking it's okay.

  • kedinikkedinik Registered User regular
    edited January 2016
    cptrugged wrote: »
    I've been on the other end of one of those Towers of Doom comebacks.

    They had only ever gotten one volley on us and we had them down to 3 HP on the core.

    Then we proceeded to lose every team fight and the boss.

    They came all the back and won. It was actually really impressive. It was a combination of our squishy getting way to overconfident and their team finally figuring out who to focus in fights.

    Yeah, I've seen several Tower of Doom games where one team lurches ahead but the other team eventually wins because their comp is better once ults come into play.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    edited January 2016
    Matchmaker has been particularly trash today. Lots of really weird comps. Granted, I won one with a pretty terrible comp compared to the other teams, but every other game has been a pretty miserable loss.

    Also apologies to @Alucard6986 for being a dick earlier, it's been a long day and I was just tired of the bickering and negativity.

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    If Arthelon is on C9 now, did C9 remove someone from their roster?

    Yep.

    http://cloud9.gg/news/fan-arthelon

    And Fan's own post on the matter: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1so38tk

    Rumor has it Fan is going to join Bob Ross Fan Club, given that there's a vacant spot since Arthelon left them for C9.

    Hey look at that, rumor no more: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/3yz1vv/bob_ross_fan_club_picks_up_fan_as_new_fifth_player/

    Looks like BRFC was a huge fan of Fan. Bob Ross FAN Club. :bzz:

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  • mastmanmastman Registered User regular
    Maledict66 wrote: »
    The fact that wisp has a longer cooldown than Kael's ult is ridiculous. That ability is so under tuned it's obscene - why are they so terrified of a ward given we already have Zagara and Tyrande? They could easily have the cooldown, increase the speed, make it take two hits to kill and reveal stealthier on death and it would be fine. It honestly don't understand how anyone in development signed off on that ability thinking it's okay.

    KT can gravity lapse 3 people on a 13s cooldown (targeted in a line obv) while Johanna's ULT can stun 3 people on a 60s cooldown (auto target)

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    15 Death Leoric, I salute you. May God Have Mercy on Your Soul.

  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    15 Death Leoric, I salute you. May God Have Mercy on Your Soul.

    I dunno, man. I kinda think the level 13 Artanis that hadn't picked a talent since level 4 was better/worse.

    Or the amazing (read: terrible) ETC who took Stage Dive and would use it point blank and miss.

    Those were some games, man. Jeez.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    15 Death Leoric, I salute you. May God Have Mercy on Your Soul.

    I dunno, man. I kinda think the level 13 Artanis that hadn't picked a talent since level 4 was better/worse.

    Or the amazing (read: terrible) ETC who took Stage Dive and would use it point blank and miss.

    Those were some games, man. Jeez.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    I'm not grouping with you two anymore. I don't wanna catch what you've got.

  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    15 Death Leoric, I salute you. May God Have Mercy on Your Soul.

    I dunno, man. I kinda think the level 13 Artanis that hadn't picked a talent since level 4 was better/worse.

    Or the amazing (read: terrible) ETC who took Stage Dive and would use it point blank and miss.

    Those were some games, man. Jeez.

    I'm sorry I wasn't there to pick Stage Dive and use it appropriately.

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    edited January 2016
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    Yeah, I understand the Tempo Storm stuff. I was a little surprised when they fired Arthelon, but Zuna was not a surprise. Zuna is way too emotional of a player and too easy to put on tilt. I watched him throw multiple games for TS and knew he wouldn't be with the team much longer.

    Arthelon, however, always performed well and never seemed like there was an issue from the front end. Obviously something behind the scenes made them want that change.

    All the best to him on C9. And all the best to Fan too. I was a Fan fan.

    What's funny is that after C9 won their last big C9 vs TS face off(NA World Championship?), C9 joked in a post-game interview that their entire strategy was to put Zuna on tilt as much as possible because his only operating level is "tilt".

    True or not, he was throwing enough to the point where Reddit was joking about him being the sixth member of Cloud9's HotS team.

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  • SupagoatSupagoat Registered User regular
    Oh Inq and Dibby, playing on New Years Night (tm) is like any other weekend or holiday X 10 since not only is it an international holiday, everyone also celebrates it at the exact same time (with adjustments for timezones). But if it's midnight on the East Coast you can expect people on the West Coast to be heading to their parties.

    But despite that I decided to ring in the new year with a match so I queued as Abathur and we got Infernal Shrines. Other team had TLV and Murky, so I knew I was going to have to prove my specialist worth but the pressure was off a little in the team fights. Our Kael'Thas starts the match saying its his first match as KT, so go easy on him. OK, sure thing. So he's laning top when the first shrine spawns bot and he just keeps on laning so I told him to get to the shrine. Eventually he stops laning. And goes to the top shrine. And sits there. So our team kept telling him wrong shrine and eventually he went to the correct one, but of course it was too late and the other team got the punisher.

    But things improved from there and we got all the other punishers and rode it to a very tidy victory.

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Happy New Year, Hots thread.

  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    New Year's comic!

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Maybe I understand the game too much for that to be very funny. Ah well.

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    on an abathur+medic team abathur can clone the medic and then heal the real medic

  • SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    Hey! Euro server guys! Anyone wanna play with me? I've not been playing too long but I ain't too bad.

    My username is adamjnet#2801

    I am not level 30 yet :(

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    oh look a 3 assassin and 2 specialist team vs nova. that's okay, I didn't feel like winning anyway.

  • Tim is on the InternetTim is on the Internet On the Internet Edmonton, ABRegistered User regular
    This Illidan fatally hopped gates four times.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Damn, I missed a quest last night thanks to being out late for New Year's Eve. Stupid new year!

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    Damn, I missed a quest last night thanks to being out late for New Year's Eve. Stupid new year!

    I logged in before bed to clear the quest queue a bit. :P

    Played a few games with Anteues or however the hell that's spelled. We dominated our games, especially the training one he accidentally queued us up for.

    But man, that first game we logged in and it's Diablo (me), Kerrigan (him), Nova, Murky, Naz.
    And we are facing Johanna, Kael, Thrall, Raynor and another powerful assassin I can't remember right now.
    And we're all like "Oh shit, this gonna be bad".

    And then we just fucking stomped them. Just nothing but dive and pick and tearing them apart. Our teammates were pretty darn good for the most part too. Nova was scouting ahead to get us vision for the picks and then she'd land the big hits to help us delete people, Murky and Naz were on point with the Octos and Zombie Walls and Kerrigan was just cleaning house. Was good times.

    Then we did it again the next game.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I vastly prefer playing this game on vent, if only so I know what other people are thinking.

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    edited January 2016
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    i'm sorry hero league team i can't carry you ANY FUCKING HARDER

    Jeez louise.

    also our thrall and kharazim (who were grouped) were cursing out our hammer, in english and spanish

    yay hero league

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    forty wrote: »
    Damn, I missed a quest last night thanks to being out late for New Year's Eve. Stupid new year!

    I logged in before bed to clear the quest queue a bit. :P

    Played a few games with Anteues or however the hell that's spelled. We dominated our games, especially the training one he accidentally queued us up for.

    But man, that first game we logged in and it's Diablo (me), Kerrigan (him), Nova, Murky, Naz.
    And we are facing Johanna, Kael, Thrall, Raynor and another powerful assassin I can't remember right now.
    And we're all like "Oh shit, this gonna be bad".

    And then we just fucking stomped them. Just nothing but dive and pick and tearing them apart. Our teammates were pretty darn good for the most part too. Nova was scouting ahead to get us vision for the picks and then she'd land the big hits to help us delete people, Murky and Naz were on point with the Octos and Zombie Walls and Kerrigan was just cleaning house. Was good times.

    Then we did it again the next game.

    It's spelled U-R-M-O-M.

    Also, it was nice to finally break the streak of terrible games with two games where people didn't run around like headless chickens. Dibby and Supagoat and others can tell you all about the string of shit games we played yesterday.

  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    I vastly prefer playing this game on vent, if only so I know what other people are thinking.

    I'm thinking pingpingpingpingpingping

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    edited January 2016
    I do wonder what a Team Builder-style queue would look like in HOTS.

    Like, if you're doing a QM queue as a group, and you got to put in search criteria for the other slots. Like, you want one slot to be a warrior, and the other to be a support. Or you could just put in Random to cut queue times and take whoever shows up first.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    I have Cho'gall now, so I can spread the disease on to my fellow Euros. (Echo#2583)

  • SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    Echo wrote: »
    I have Cho'gall now, so I can spread the disease on to my fellow Euros. (Echo#2583)

    Just added you.

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  • SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    So I'm using the Bnet friend system and jeeeeez what a mess

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