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[TRENCHES] Tuesday, January 5, 2016 - Friendship

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    melalton wrote: »
    New "The Tranches" comic. Also new story at alex_theman's "Tales from the Trenches".

    You can't use this forum to promote your comic.

    Hobnail wrote: »
    This forum has taken everything from me
  • SkunkapeSkunkape Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    melalton wrote: »
    New "The Tranches" comic. Also new story at alex_theman's "Tales from the Trenches".

    You can't use this forum to promote your comic.

    Yes, you might want to pick a forum of a comic that is not dead, you might actually get more visitors to your comic....

    forty
  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    And so, as the most recent Trenches thread fell into the abyss of the third forum page, a wondrous thing happened, why not. It reached a second page of posts discussing how dead or not the comic is.

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  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    Rest in spaghetti, never forgetti

    forty
  • AmarylAmaryl Registered User regular
    Somewhere here there's a metaphor. It's not called the trenches for nothing. They don't get to play with the big boys, they're never invited to the company lunches, and are pushed down to the third page and even deeper, while the artists are in a rotating limbo of horrible working conditions.

    Nobody of the company ever acknowledges them..

    I'm saying the Trenches, is the Trenches of PA...

    Believe.

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  • Morgan BlackpowderMorgan Blackpowder Registered User regular
    I remember when there was an awesome comic, made by the guy who drew Penny Arcade and the guy who drew PVP Online. It sounded like a really awesome comic. I wish it was still around :/

  • Kevin McClureKevin McClure Registered User new member
    Bitch nuts.....Seriously?

    This comic is still on the front page?
    Its April frigging 6th.
    90 days since a Thanksgiving themed comic came out.

    Sorry this is a personal vendetta but I do check this site 7 days a week.
    "New comic every day" is a lie.
    I love Penny Arcade.
    I love Camp Weedonwantcha.
    To have this embarassment on the front page with so many deserving webcomics....WTF?

    This is all I got to rant for a site I love. Ignore me if you are wondering.

  • AsherekAsherek Registered User new member
    At this point, RIP Trenches. It's pretty much dead in the water.

  • SkunkapeSkunkape Registered User regular
    Amaryl wrote: »
    Somewhere here there's a metaphor. It's not called the trenches for nothing. They don't get to play with the big boys, they're never invited to the company lunches, and are pushed down to the third page and even deeper, while the artists are in a rotating limbo of horrible working conditions.

    Nobody of the company ever acknowledges them..

    I'm saying the Trenches, is the Trenches of PA...

    Believe.
    Bitch nuts.....Seriously?

    This comic is still on the front page?
    Its April frigging 6th.
    90 days since a Thanksgiving themed comic came out.

    Sorry this is a personal vendetta but I do check this site 7 days a week.
    "New comic every day" is a lie.
    I love Penny Arcade.
    I love Camp Weedonwantcha.
    To have this embarassment on the front page with so many deserving webcomics....WTF?

    This is all I got to rant for a site I love. Ignore me if you are wondering.

    Its funny because I have not started reading any other of the other comics they do because of the fear of getting left hanging again. I am sure I am missing out on some great stuff, but I really live my life by the" fool me once shame on you, fool me twice..." Oh wait this is the third time Scott has got me.. Dang it!

  • AegeriAegeri Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    And so, as the most recent Trenches thread fell into the abyss of the third forum page, a wondrous thing happened, why not. It reached a second page of posts discussing how dead or not the comic is.

    How dead is it now? So dead.

    They must know someone who is talented, could carry a webcomic and would love exposure on their site. Hopefully they ca give the Trenches spot to someone like that?

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    forty
  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Welcome to page 4, most recent Trenches thread!

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  • Smitty86Smitty86 Kelowna, BCRegistered User new member
    I promised myself that it wouldn't bug me anymore, but it does. It bugs me seeing that unchanging "The Trenches" link on the PA Main Page. It bugs me so much that I signed up to post this.


    I enjoy nearly every PA project, and the offshoots, with the exception of The Trenches. It needs to end. Is there a contractual reason that they have to maintain a link or are they hoping to engage more readers and make a case to save it?

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    I just continue to be amazed at what a perfect example of industry practices the comic itself turned out to be.

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  • MattimusPrimeMattimusPrime Registered User regular
    Don't forget, this could also just be a now-standard "why didn't anyone tell us the Trenches season was over??" hiatus.

    That said, I think it's going to be quietly swept under the rug once they figure out what to replace it with on the front page.

  • melaltonmelalton Registered User regular
    edited April 2016
    I think the fact that Trenches is still featured on the front page of penny-arcade.com is indicative of deep business problems at Penny Arcade Inc. Possibilities:
    1. They are so disorganized that they're not even aware that a front page feature is generating very few pages views and little ad revenue and is generating much ill-will.
    2. They signed a contract that has terms so onerous that it's cheaper to leave a dead comic on the front page than replace it.
    3. They have so much money coming in they don't care if a front page comic isn't making much money.
    I doubt #2 is true, since they've dealt with bad contracts before and probably have each contract triple reviewed.

    If #3 is true, they're doomed for bankruptcy eventually because that attitude will infect every thing the whole company does and everything they make will turn to crap.

    My guess is #1: People in charge literally have no idea what's going on.

    melalton on
  • MattimusPrimeMattimusPrime Registered User regular
    edited April 2016
    melalton wrote: »
    My guess is #1: People in charge literally have no idea what's going on.

    I don't think any of those are the complete truth, honestly. They're probably aware of the Trenches issues, and have probably had a talk with Ty (or whoever's drawing it, since the About the Authors hasn't been updated in forever), but don't have anything to say to the readers. For all we know, they could be running another Strip Search behind the scenes, but without the fun and games this time, to line up a new artist (and possibly a writer) that's more reliable for a fresh product. That's not to excuse the silence, but I think nobody's really interested in the comic anymore except in a morbid way as we all wait for them to finally put it down for good, so I don't really think they owe us an explanation either.

    Until then though, I'd love it if they turned the slot into a rotating spotlight until they find a new comic. Abby and Maki were both runners-up in Strip Search, why not feature their comics there? Abby probably would have won Strip Search if they didn't think she'd need too much pushing, but now that she's proven herself capable of updating comics regularly with great content, I think she deserves a little time on the front page there (no disrespect to Maki, his stuff's great too, but it really felt like it came down to Katie or Abby).

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited April 2016
    melalton wrote: »
    I think the fact that Trenches is still featured on the front page of penny-arcade.com is indicative of deep business problems at Penny Arcade Inc. Possibilities:
    1. They are so disorganized that they're not even aware that a front page feature is generating very few pages views and little ad revenue and is generating much ill-will.

    I'm sorry, a handful of people on a forum thread doesn't count as "generating much ill-will."

    I'm disappointed with what's happened to The Trenches (especially as I was one of the comic's most vocal defenders in the early days when it actually updated on a pretty consistent basis and had a coherent plot but everybody just complained all the time about how they hated Isaac and couldn't understand what was going on). But get real. They just added the fourth iteration of their own convention last year. PA is not suffering as a business because of supposed ill will generated by mismanagement of The Trenches.

    Gaslight on
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    forty
  • DasquianDasquian Registered User new member
    (I have created an account to post this)

    It's easy to write off the posts in this thread as the entirety of the damage done the Trenches being dead in the water. And, maybe you're right - after all, PA is doing great and no one else is saying anything, right? However you've got people like me - I've been following the Trenches for ages, watching it go weird and grind to a halt, wonder what's up, delving into the forums for some explanation, and seeing other similarly confused and disappointed readers asking the same questions with no answers forthcoming.

    I'm relatively rare in that I didn't just stop being a lurker but actually joined the forums to share this feeling. I would hazard a guess that I speak for several others feeling the same way but not motivated enough to speak their mind - after all, it's hard to care too much about a dead comic.

    I would also hazard a guess that the people following the forums thread (whether they lurk on it or actively post) are themselves a fraction of the people who read the Trenches and are now wondering what's up with it. I would further suggest that those people are a fraction of the people who were never really into the Trenches, but are wondering why the same dumb picture of Marley looking at the ghost has been up there for the last two months while everything else on the front page is pretty dynamic.

    Anyway the point of this post is to just stand up and be counted in saying that The Trenches is a bit of an embarrassing thorn in PA's side and it'd be nice for it to either be taken seriously by the site or officially retired. That's not an unreasonable stance to hold and I hope the stalwarts who would dismiss these thoughts as low-key grumbling can appreciate that the grumbling isn't just a few individual malcontents.

  • Finnish_LineFinnish_Line Registered User regular
    At first I thought advertising another comic on the front page wouldn't be fair to Katie who won the contest, and that was one of the perks. But I think that was really only for one year, so it would be a fair play. And greatly beneficial to someone who works hard and puts out something consistently.

  • PublikwerksPublikwerks Registered User regular
    They should make a crossover where the Trenches comic is dumped at Camp Weedonwancha.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    forty on
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    melalton
  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Page 6! That was a fast move.

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    Skunkapemelalton
  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    geth, kick @forty from the thread

    Hobnail wrote: »
    This forum has taken everything from me
  • GethGeth Legion Perseus VeilRegistered User, Moderator, Penny Arcade Staff, Vanilla Staff vanilla
    Affirmative Tube. @forty banned from this thread.

  • melaltonmelalton Registered User regular
    Page 7! Must be a new record for a Penny Arcade, a comic on the front page with the latest discussion thread on the 7th page.

    fortyMattimusPrime
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