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Obama made a move on Gun Control

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    Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    You know, for the guy said to be the GOP's best hope

    Rubio sure looks like a weak candidate right now.

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    PeenPeen Registered User regular
    You could practically see his thoughts during the last debate, at what point could he push into the other candidates yelling at each other without participating in their stupidity and how could he stick to any kind of coherent narrative? I don't feel sorry for him exactly but I don't envy him one bit.

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    You can't use evidence to get people out of a position they didn't use evidence to get themselves into.

    This is a good rule of thumb, I like it

    No it's not.
    In science, this would be the basis for a hypothesis, and then evidence is exactly how you get people out of it.
    The difference being, a full hypothesis makes testable predictions. But you can't get to that without first making some sort of loose conjecture.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    You can't use evidence to get people out of a position they didn't use evidence to get themselves into.

    This is a good rule of thumb, I like it

    It's based on this quote from Jonathan Swift:

    "Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired."

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    Kevin CristKevin Crist I make the devil hit his knees and say the 'our father'Registered User regular
    This Valentines, give your love the gift of socialism.


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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    discrider wrote: »
    You can't use evidence to get people out of a position they didn't use evidence to get themselves into.

    This is a good rule of thumb, I like it

    No it's not.
    In science, this would be the basis for a hypothesis, and then evidence is exactly how you get people out of it.
    The difference being, a full hypothesis makes testable predictions. But you can't get to that without first making some sort of loose conjecture.

    Do you know what rule of thumb means

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    discrider wrote: »
    You can't use evidence to get people out of a position they didn't use evidence to get themselves into.

    This is a good rule of thumb, I like it

    No it's not.
    In science, this would be the basis for a hypothesis, and then evidence is exactly how you get people out of it.
    The difference being, a full hypothesis makes testable predictions. But you can't get to that without first making some sort of loose conjecture.

    Do you know what rule of thumb means

    The Rule of Thumb is best known, historically, for his bloodthirsty and merciless punishments. Thumb ruled with an iron fist.

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    discrider wrote: »
    You can't use evidence to get people out of a position they didn't use evidence to get themselves into.

    This is a good rule of thumb, I like it

    No it's not.
    In science, this would be the basis for a hypothesis, and then evidence is exactly how you get people out of it.
    The difference being, a full hypothesis makes testable predictions. But you can't get to that without first making some sort of loose conjecture.

    Do you know what rule of thumb means

    That's the one where you use your thumb to measure the distance from an atomic blast, right? Like this guy:

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    MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    Hey baby, I'm a socialist. Let's bang.

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    I'll seize your means of production.

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    If you do hook up with someone over a socialism line, are you then not required after doing it to go bang the masses, equal sexing for all?

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    You're required to spread your seed evenly.

    One sperm per womb.

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    Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    I'd post Boondock Saints for the rule of thumb reference but I'm far too lazy to open up the app and search for it

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Wait, what app, exactly? Is there an official Boondock Saints app?

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    This Valentines, give your love the gift of socialism.

    Posting solely for "Democratic Socialism and Chill"
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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    edited February 2016
    Oh that's supposed to be hell

    edit also bors is a dingus

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    fuck everyone that says people just vote bernie because sex

    seriously, fuck every single person that says something like that

    if you're seriously going to degrade young college voters and think so little of young adults that this is what you think we think about?

    go fuck yourself

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    as an aside, here's Hillary being cold as fuck

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    Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    as an aside, here's Hillary being cold as fuck


    To be fair to Hillary, that's a 30 second clip from a much longer conversation that could very easily be taken out of context.

    I think this quote from that same conversation goes a long way towards explaining Hillary's attitude towards BLM, without painting her in an unfair light.
    CNN wrote:
    "Look, I don't believe you change hearts," Clinton said, arguing that the movement can't change deep seated racism. "I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate. You're not going to change every heart. You're not. But at the end of the day, we could do a whole lot to change some hearts and change some systems and create more opportunities for people who deserve to have them, to live up to their own God-given potential."

    Here's the full CNN article with quotes from the Black Lives Matter activists.

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    That meeting was after BLM forced Bernie off stage and interrupted one of Hillary's events, so it wasn't welcome guests.

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    Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    Wait, what app, exactly? Is there an official Boondock Saints app?

    Nah, YouTube

    Cause if I don't then the dang phone is asking if I want to open it in the app and it's like not particularly I'm just looking for a quick clip

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Also Hillary ain't exactly wrong. Laws often pave the way for social progress, it's rarely the other way around.

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Also Hillary ain't exactly wrong. Laws often pave the way for social progress, it's rarely the other way around.

    There's also the matter that laws ensure gains made today are permanent and not undone by a populist and prejudice legislature down the line. If Roe and Brown had not been backed up by courts and the law.....

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    JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    I hope all these hip youngsters who go to Bernie events to have sex use protection or else they will truly

    *sunglasses*
    Feel the Bern

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    BillyIdleBillyIdle What does "katana" mean? It means "Japanese sword."Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    I hope all these hip youngsters who go to Bernie events to have sex use protection or else they will truly

    *sunglasses*
    Feel the Bern

    https://youtu.be/6YMPAH67f4o

    Are you trying to imply that I and my fellow bretherbern have STDS?

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    Sexually Transmitted Democrats

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Are people implying some individuals use politics to get laid?

    Because It's Always Sunny touched on this eleven years ago!

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    TankHammerTankHammer Atlanta Ghostbuster Atlanta, GARegistered User regular
    Well they were running out of ways to say that Berners were all just spoiled kids looking to get free shit.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Having only just gotten into It's Always Sunny that show began really ahead of its time

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    PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Bernie Sanders launched a petition Sunday pushing back on a recent decision by the Democratic National Committee to reverse a ban on campaign contributions by lobbyists. The move ratchets up tensions between the DNC and the U.S. senator from Vermont, who commonly is viewed as an anti-establishment candidate.

    Restrictions on lobbyists’ donations to campaigns were introduced eight years ago by Barack Obama, then a senator and candidate for the U.S. presidency. The DNC has been quietly rolling back the restrictions for months, although revelations about the full extent of its moves emerged only Friday.

    “The DNC’s recent change in guidelines will ensure that we continue to have the resources and infrastructure in place to best support whoever emerges as our eventual nominee,” Mark Paustenbach, the committee’s deputy communications director, told the Washington Post in an email. “Electing a Democrat to the White House is vital to building on the progress we’ve made over the last seven years.”

    In its petition, the Sanders campaign called the move “an unfortunate step backward,” lamenting the return of yet another stream of “big money” into politics. It lauded Obama’s decision eight years ago to ban contributions from special-interest political action committees, or PACs, and from lobbyists, calling it a “noble step.”

    That description came on the heels of accusations during a debate Thursday by Sanders’ opponent in seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, that the senator had previously labeled Obama “weak” and a “disappointment” — criticisms she indicated she would expect from a Republican, not from a Democrat.

    During the debate Thursday, Sanders targeted Clinton’s super PAC, saying it had received $15 million of its $25 million in contributions from Wall Street sources. In contrast, he said, “Our average contribution is $27.” Clinton responded by arguing that Sanders was “mixing apples and oranges” and that it was, in fact, possible to take donations from Wall Street and remain independent, pointing to Obama and his support of tougher regulations on big banks as proof of the concept.

    After news broke of the DNC’s policy reversal, the Sanders campaign urged Clinton to criticize the committee’s change in direction. “We support the restrictions that President Obama put in place, and we hope Secretary Clinton will join us in supporting the president,” campaign representative Michael Briggs said. However, Clinton appears to have remained silent on the issue.

    In an email to supporters Sunday, Sanders’ campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, pointed out the Democrats won the White House in 2008 and 2012 even with the ban on funding by lobbyists. “If we are to restore a vibrant democracy in this country, it is long past time to break the link between money and special-interest favors in politics,” he said.

    As of Jan. 31, Clinton had raised more than $48 million in campaign contributions from outside groups, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. As of the same date, Sanders had raised $31,911 from outside groups, the center reported. Expunging big money from politics has been one of the pillars of Sanders’ platform.

    Sanders’ campaign previously accused the DNC of sabotage and of favoring the establishment candidate, Clinton. In December, the committee cut off the Sanders campaign’s access to a voter database, after one of its staffers tapped into voter information belonging to the Clinton campaign without authorization. The committee restored access only after the campaign filed a lawsuit seeking that access, as well as damages.

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Having only just gotten into It's Always Sunny that show began really ahead of its time

    that show has done some rather biting commentary on things like health care

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Clinton better take the olive branch on this.

    At this point in the election, I don't think she needs money to change her image, she needs more debates.

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    PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
    Clinton better take the olive branch on this.

    At this point in the election, I don't think she needs money to change her image, she needs more debates.

    She's kind of in a lose lose here. Either she goes against it, and against Obama who originally proposed this and Hillary looks like a hypocrite or she ends up voluntarily cutting off her major support. Basically Bernie Sanders is challenging her to a game of chicken that he can't lose. It's kind of a brilliant move.

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    It's always sunny has an episode essentially lampooning Israel and calling it out (via the proxy of an Israeli guy) over Palestine. That show is something else

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Thing an Alaskan legislator said

    "If women really are being payed less, why don't companies just hire all women and save some money."

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Thing an Alaskan legislator said

    "If women really are being payed less, why don't companies just hire all women and save some money."
    It is a legitimate albeit cold hearted question

    Of course the answer becomes obvious once you stop to consider why women are paid less

    Which is that employers falsely believe their work to be of a lower quality

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    PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Thing an Alaskan legislator said

    "If women really are being payed less, why don't companies just hire all women and save some money."
    It is a legitimate albeit cold hearted question

    Of course the answer becomes obvious once you stop to consider why women are paid less

    Which is that employers falsely believe their work to be of a lower quality

    That's never stopped companies before

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    PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    Thing an Alaskan legislator said

    "If women really are being payed less, why don't companies just hire all women and save some money."
    It is a legitimate albeit cold hearted question

    Of course the answer becomes obvious once you stop to consider why women are paid less

    Which is that employers falsely believe their work to be of a lower quality

    That's never stopped companies before

    It's like there's a some formula that shitty prejudiced people seem to have that you can't quite quantify where paying a man their own low wage is the standard, paying a woman a dollar less isn't worth the savings but paying exploitable foreigners a dollar for lesser work is.

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    discrider wrote: »
    You can't use evidence to get people out of a position they didn't use evidence to get themselves into.

    This is a good rule of thumb, I like it

    No it's not.
    In science, this would be the basis for a hypothesis, and then evidence is exactly how you get people out of it.
    The difference being, a full hypothesis makes testable predictions. But you can't get to that without first making some sort of loose conjecture.

    Do you know what rule of thumb means

    Yes.

    But considering all good learning resides on the same principles as the above, either it is absolutely not a good rule of thumb, or you wish to stifle all creative thinking by not attempting to validate or disprove presuppositions.

    So no. Not a good rule of thumb at all.

    And in fact, that attitude probably reinforces the behaviour it wishes to ignore.
    By writing off the possibility of rational debate, you prevent the idea from meeting its opposition.

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    if you had an autopsy, of course it isn't going to show signs of foul pla, they're being paid off by the president.

    I mean, really, if the ruler of the free world wanted someone dead and it ruled natural causes i don't think he'd have a hard time.

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