[nfl] Broncos win! Retirement for Lynch, Johnson, and Manning.

MNC Dover · January 2016

This is the NFL thread.

Talk about whatever you want, including stupid things like preseason, fantasy football, and the Jets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAp57G1hLn0

Idx86 · January 2016

@MNC Dover, I think you put this in the wrong subforum. Not that I wouldn't mind consolidating all my threads of interest into one place.

MNC Dover · January 2016

Idx86 wrote: »

"MNC Dover", I think you put this in the wrong subforum. Not that I wouldn't mind consolidating all my threads of interest into one place.

Good looking out! I totally pulled a Jets there.

Preacher · January 2016

Nah that was clearly a bucs maneuver.

admanb · January 2016

Preacher wrote: »

In news that shocks no one lovie smith has been canned in Tampa.

Why isn't it surprising? I find it crazy that he only got two seasons, one of which was with Mike Glennon at QB.

Preacher · January 2016

Lovie Smith is not a good coach?

admanb · January 2016

I guess I'm not familiar with his Bears years but... they seem pretty reasonable?

davidsdurions · January 2016

Repost from previous thread for anyone that missed it:

And I've reactivated the Playoff Challenge from before.

http://playoffchallenge.fantasy.nfl.com/group/219070

password is the usual:

wang

Remember when making picks, that you can in fact pick players that are on the bye, and that the longer a player is on your roster the higher the multiplier is to their score for you. So, say, I want a QB with the highest potential score, based on my predictions above, it's a safe bet I'm going to select Carson Palmer. But, I might pick Pey Pey for those sick screen pass TDs to Thomas and select Demaryius too. Get in there and make some picks!

quovadis13 · January 2016

admanb wrote: »

Preacher wrote: »

In news that shocks no one lovie smith has been canned in Tampa.

Why isn't it surprising? I find it crazy that he only got two seasons, one of which was with Mike Glennon at QB.

I think it was quite surprising as well. He had a rookie QB and improved on his record. The Bucs were trending up it seemed, so unless they have a solid plan on who they want to coach them, it seems like this was a rash decision at the very least.

Idx86 · January 2016

One could say that Lovie Smith's success in Chicago was in large part due to Ron Rivera and the defense.

Santa Claustrophobia · January 2016

SUPERGENIUS Chip Kelly!

Bobble · January 2016

Suspicions going around that the Bucs made the move so they could retain/promote their OC, who was getting interest from the Dolphins.

Sir Landshark · January 2016

Bobble wrote: »

Suspicions going around that the Bucs made the move so they could retain/promote their OC, who was getting interest from the Dolphins.

It's the only thing that doesn't make the Bucs seem totally incompetent.

Trajan45 · January 2016

Why wouldn't Chip Kelly be begging for the Titan's job? They have his dream QB and the 1st pick in this years draft.

admanb · January 2016

Trajan45 wrote: »

Why wouldn't Chip Kelly be begging for the Titan's job? They have his dream QB and the 1st pick in this years draft.

Because he doesn't want to be humiliated again?

Santa Claustrophobia · January 2016

They also have room on the roster for five overpaid RBs.

zepherin · January 2016

The Titans should take their number 1 pick trade it for a shit ton of 3 and 4 picks and build a line that can keep the QB safe. Having top tier RBs and WRs is meaningless if the QB spends most of his time with his dick in the dirt.

enlightenedbum · January 2016

Everyone always says this, it's hard to make that trade these days. Especially in a weak draft.

Madpoet · January 2016

Worst record should get to pick what spot they want to draft in, not get forced into the most expensive gamble of the day.

admanb · January 2016

Madpoet wrote: »

Worst record should get to pick what spot they want to draft in, not get forced into the most expensive gamble of the day.

Why would anyone take a lower spot for no gain?

davidsdurions · January 2016

So I might be forced to change my pick since it seems like the Seahawks get Lynch back and the Vikings' best child abuser is missing practices...

hippofant · January 2016

admanb wrote: »

Madpoet wrote: »

Worst record should get to pick what spot they want to draft in, not get forced into the most expensive gamble of the day.

Why would anyone take a lower spot for no gain?

Salary cap.

Probably still not worth it though. Not unless the NFL starts snake-drafting.

MNC Dover · January 2016

Maybe it's just me, but why does it seem like every year it's a bad draft class. Like, there never seems to be a consensus #1 pick anymore and all teams talk about trading down.

Madpoet · January 2016

admanb wrote: »

Madpoet wrote: »

Worst record should get to pick what spot they want to draft in, not get forced into the most expensive gamble of the day.

Why would anyone take a lower spot for no gain?

Because the lower spot is a better value. Unless you're gunning for a specific player, the bottom half of the first round costs a third to half as much as the top half for arguably the same talent.

TexiKen · January 2016

I think it's because every other team tries to haggle with the car dealer and talk about how that new model is a piece of crap, buuuuttt if it gets to the price I want, I might take it off your hands. 31 teams pushing the weak draft year angle, the top holder going "well shiiiit."

hippofant · January 2016

MNC Dover wrote: »

Maybe it's just me, but why does it seem like every year it's a bad draft class. Like, there never seems to be a consensus #1 pick anymore and all teams talk about trading down.

Well, last year was Winston and Mariota. I don't think anybody was talking about the Bucs trading down. There was some talk about the Titans trading down, but that was driven not so much by Mariota so much as by Mettenberger and Rivers.

I don't think there was much talk about the Texans trading down in 2014 either. I think at the time, we thought they were okay with Schaub?

Usually, the worst team in the league is looking for a quarterback. And then you have those seasons when there's no QB, so it's not a good draft for THEM, but oftentimes, that doesn't mean the class isn't good. The 2014 draft has seemed to be an amazing draft, despite Clowney's relative bust-ness so far.

Santa Claustrophobia · January 2016

MNC Dover wrote: »

Maybe it's just me, but why does it seem like every year it's a bad draft class. Like, there never seems to be a consensus #1 pick anymore and all teams talk about trading down.

Because the minor league college football has abdicated its responsibility to funnel qualified bodies into the grinder.

Santa Claustrophobia · January 2016

Hard Knocks candidates? Hard Knocks candidates.

While it’s not entirely clear if any team that has been featured on HBO’s Hard Knocks was forced to do so, the NFL does have the ability to pick a team in the event that nobody volunteers.

If you don’t have a new head coach, if you haven’t been to the playoffs in the last two years and you haven’t been on the program in the last decade, you’re eligible. That means that this year, as many as eight teams are left vulnerable.

Here’s how we rank them in terms of how appealing they’d be if they were to participate, forcibly or not.

1. Buffalo Bills: Rex Ryan is Rex Ryan. He sells himself, and a talented, desperate team looking to break out of a 16-year playoff drought also works. The Bills run a great camp just outside of Rochester, and they’re real proud of that site. So don’t be surprised if they volunteer and we wind up with Ryan for the second time in six years.

2. New Orleans Saints: It’s still possible head coach Sean Payton departs, removing New Orleans from the mandatory list. But regardless, the Saints have a ton of loud personalities and a lot of friction in the front office. This would be fun.

3. Jacksonville Jaguars: The Jags have a really good young offensive core and a lot of intriguing players on the rise. They’re also incredibly welcoming to the media and aren’t shy about granting access, so this could potentially get us deep behind the scenes.

4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Rookie sensation Jameis Winston alone could carry this thing as he prepares for his second NFL season. (UPDATE: The Bucs will no longer be eligible after firing Lovie Smith.)

5. Oakland Raiders: We’d get another look at a strong young offensive core, and the Raiders are always entertaining. Of course, it’s also possible they’ll be in Los Angeles. If they move, they deserve to climb this list. But I doubt the NFL would make them participate if that were the case.

6. San Diego Chargers: A Los Angeles move is an even stronger possibility here. And if in an upset San Diego doesn’t move, that’ll be a big storyline anyway. Problem is there isn’t as much intrigue with the actual team.

7. St. Louis Rams: Jeff Fisher’s boring and unless they make a trade the Rams won’t even have a top-10 draft pick to feature. The only way this could become especially appealing is, again, if they move.

8. Chicago Bears: They aren’t particularly good and they lack animated personalities, but they appeal to a large market and fanbase. Could you imagine how excited Jay Cutler would be to star on Hard Knocks?

I think we now know the real reason Tampa fired their coach.

CaptainPeacock · January 2016

I hope it's the Bills.

dlinfiniti · January 2016

Madpoet wrote: »

Worst record should get to pick what spot they want to draft in, not get forced into the most expensive gamble of the day.

we want to pick
that way

Fondor_Yards · January 2016

MNC Dover wrote: »

Maybe it's just me, but why does it seem like every year it's a bad draft class. Like, there never seems to be a consensus #1 pick anymore and all teams talk about trading down.

Doesn't everyone seem to agree that Bosa is the best player in general, with the next couple of guys also set (Ramsey, Hargreaves, Tunsil, Smith and a few others.)

Sir Landshark · January 2016

enlightenedbum wrote: »

Everyone always says this, it's hard to make that trade these days. Especially in a weak draft.

plus top tier OL talent goes in the first round just as much or more than skill positions anyways

pyromaniac221 · January 2016

The fact that there's no consensus #1 pick speaks more to the weakness of the QB class than the overall class (although it probably isn't a super great draft for top end talent anyway). If there's a highly touted QB prospect like Luck or Winston or whatever, the conversation is about which team will sell the farm for the QB of the future. Teams are less likely to do that for a good tackle or defensive end or whatever.

Titans absolutely should go for Tunsil though. That kid is a freak and is exactly what they need for Mariota.

Sir Landshark · January 2016

Madpoet wrote: »

admanb wrote: »

Madpoet wrote: »

Worst record should get to pick what spot they want to draft in, not get forced into the most expensive gamble of the day.

Why would anyone take a lower spot for no gain?

Because the lower spot is a better value. Unless you're gunning for a specific player, the bottom half of the first round costs a third to half as much as the top half for arguably the same talent.

You draft in the same spot every round though

So maybe you think the bottom half of the first round is equivalent to the top half this year. But you are also picking in the bottom half of the second, third, and so on. Doesn't seem like a great strategy.

enlightenedbum · January 2016

pyromaniac221 wrote: »

The fact that there's no consensus #1 pick speaks more to the weakness of the QB class than the overall class (although it probably isn't a super great draft for top end talent anyway). If there's a highly touted QB prospect like Luck or Winston or whatever, the conversation is about which team will sell the farm for the QB of the future. Teams are less likely to do that for a good tackle or defensive end or whatever.

Titans absolutely should go for Tunsil though. That kid is a freak and is exactly what they need for Mariota.

There's like two guys (Tunsil and Bosa) I'm confident will be excellent players and a third (Nkemdiche) whose off the field stuff would give me pause.

pyromaniac221 · January 2016

enlightenedbum wrote: »

pyromaniac221 wrote: »

The fact that there's no consensus #1 pick speaks more to the weakness of the QB class than the overall class (although it probably isn't a super great draft for top end talent anyway). If there's a highly touted QB prospect like Luck or Winston or whatever, the conversation is about which team will sell the farm for the QB of the future. Teams are less likely to do that for a good tackle or defensive end or whatever.

Titans absolutely should go for Tunsil though. That kid is a freak and is exactly what they need for Mariota.

There's like two guys (Tunsil and Bosa) I'm confident will be excellent players and a third (Nkemdiche) whose off the field stuff would give me pause.

Ramsey will also be a stud but his position isn't as highly drafted as Tunsil's or Bosa's. Overall there aren't many can't-miss prospects but there's plenty of talent. Good draft for defensive backs and defensive tackles. Wouldn't want to be QB needy this year, though.