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Bayghazi: 13 Hours: The Thread: The Title
ElJeffe
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This is the thread for discussing Michael Bay's newest, completely historical and totally nuanced film, 13 Hours.
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Crash.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I'm guessing the latter, since nothing about him suggests that he has any particular political affiliation.
... there is no way michael bay is not all about the second amendment
also optimus prime is a jesus, sacrificing himself so we may all live
though the autobots are also war refugees......
I'd imagine he's right wing from how his transformers movies has the government be as much of an enemy as the huge evil robots. And he jerks off to military stuff like no one else.
The bigger shock to me is Jim from the Office, either this is a paycheck or he's secretly derping on us.
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The far right fact free narrative about Benghazi fits Michael Bay well at least as far as I can tell from the movies he has made in the past. Those damned pencil pushers not allowing the glorious soldiers to do their job to save those stupid bureaucrats who don't think the locals are all a bunch of savages and actually think we should be there.
The dislike for the military higher ups and government in general while simultaneously glorifying soldiers in his movies goes back to before Transformers and to before the Bush administration.
He's an anti authoritarian military fetishist. Whether he votes Pub or Dem, I have no idea, and don't much care.
and its not like you can screen a decepticon from an autobot at the border
So we'll have a new grouping of war movies that rival WW2 propaganda films for the forseeable future. I feel like Buford seeing shitty military revisionism coming that will only give more rise to the dumb idea America can just shoot our way to better Foreign Policy outcomes.
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The answer, I suspect, is
Amazing.
I was about to relink this article, which is what started the shifted discussion in the movie thread.
I think it actually does a good job of covering what's going on. ElJeffe's read on Bay is, imo, pretty close to the mark. He has some things he really loves, like woosh-bang millitary penis substitution and money. And ultimately I think that's what this is all about.
This movie isn't designed to be a hit piece against Clinton, it's designed to piggyback on her current prominant place in the news and appeal to people looking for a hit piece on Clinton to drive butts into seats. It's being released now to tap into the current right-wing zeigeist that wants to believe in this story of noble badass americans betrayed by callous evil bureaucrats and leftists.
And, as I mentioned in the other thread, it exists as part of a larger trend in Hollywood towards creating new war movies. They have finally found a way to market the War on Terror to the masses basically by jumping on the current trend in alot of parts of the US looking for uncomplicated heroes in this mess. So they focus in on stories of ubermensch american heroes who are rugged badasses killing dirty evil terrorist foreigners in situations that strip the situation of all context, political, social or otherwise, in order to turn the whole thing into a fairy tale.
The article cites a good list of these recent movies based on "non-fiction" accounts like Lone Surivor and American Sniper. How do you reform a war? "Support the troops" and ignore everything else.
So does Michael Bay believe in this BENGHAZI!!! bullshit? I doubt it. He believes in the awesomeness of military guys killing people and the money you can make adapting a popular book on that subject.
I think reading more into it is giving Bay too much credit.
But I don't think I will be going out of my way to see this one. Maybe when it's on Netflix, or the DVD becomes available at my local library or something.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/movies/michael-bays-pain-gain.html
What I take from this is that Bay was a student with a yellow Porsche.
Wesleyan is a $50,000 a year private liberal arts school, so I don't think a student being able to afford a Porsche is the kind of outlier it would be most other places.
wtf
It's a fucking Bay movie!
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It's not the first time a Bay movie has conjured strong emotions. Let us never forget his Pearl Harbor, the tragic story of how on Dec. 7, 1941, the Japanese staged a surprise attack on an American love triangle.
I forgot where I first heard that, but it's my favorite snarky description of a movie ever.
Maybe here?
It's the opening line of Ebert's review of the film. The rest is no less awesomely snarky:
Also great:
He wants to be Chris Pratt. Goofy comedy guy turned action hero.
Not a bad goal at all.
I think the last Bay film I really enjoyed and still remember is either The Rock or Armageddon.
More on topic, I've heard this is both almost completely made up and almost completely accurate. So I assume it falls in the middle in terms of accuracurcy
When you have the resources to dedicate 6 months of your life to getting swole, you can do some amazing shit.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Sadly, Ben Gazzara died four years ago.
The Road House remake will be weaker for his passing.
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