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    GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    edited May 2016
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Goatmon wrote: »
    Dubh wrote: »
    Moriveth wrote: »
    I guess most of my feelings on pessimism are mostly just focused on myself. Like I don't really see myself succeeding in much (although just looking at my life I've done pretty goddamn well all things considered).

    hi, I also feel this way and it fucking sucks

    Hi I've been on antidepressants for nearly a year now and I don't feel this way anymore.

    So if you feel that way as a default setting, maybe look into getting some help.

    I am on antidepressants, this is a vast improvement over how I felt before!

    At least now I can actually, like... do stuff.

    I mean, it's not like everything is roses now.

    I still have bad days.

    But now the bad days aren't my default. It's nice, y'know?

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    YukiraYukira Registered User regular
    edited May 2016
    rhylith wrote: »
    Oh my god the food here is so good.

    Tube if you come here let me know and we can go to all the best places.

    Yeah, seriously, light a bat-signal for that and we'll work out a divorced-parent-schedule of who gets to take you out to dinner.

    I want a food weekend.

    DW, Sier and I will even put on makeup for you.

    And by that, I mean Sier will be putting makeup on me.

    Yukira on
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    Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 One of the multitude of Dans infesting this place Registered User regular
    Gatsby, that was a good talk.

    Also, I recognized precisely who you were talking about at one point. It's been a while since I've seen anti online, but I keep seeing her name pop up everywhere, so that's good.

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    Gatsby, that was a good talk.

    Also, I recognized precisely who you were talking about at one point. It's been a while since I've seen anti online, but I keep seeing her name pop up everywhere, so that's good.

    She's doing well! I'm actually moving in with her next month.

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    That's great. Stigmatize people in one of the worst ways you can and burden an over-burdened justice system. Win-Win.

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    CorehealerCorehealer The Apothecary The softer edge of the universe.Registered User regular
    Fuck off Arkansas.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    So I have to cancel an important disability appointment (extra 'proof' that I need benefits because a medical doctor and two therapists, one of which is an austism specialist, isn't sufficient)

    I don't know who thinks a three hour trip via public transportation is acceptable for someone who deals with severe anxiety every time they leave the house
    but I hope they rot in hell

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    For fucks sake

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Gatsby, that was a good talk.

    Also, I recognized precisely who you were talking about at one point. It's been a while since I've seen anti online, but I keep seeing her name pop up everywhere, so that's good.

    She's doing well! I'm actually moving in with her next month.
    Cool beans.

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    Chara CaroliChara Caroli Canes VenaticiRegistered User regular
    I have a question for everyone. I recently came upon this post: http://ask.fm/SciADV/answers/131022121015.
    It's by the translator who worked on the Steins;Gate visual novel, regarding the character Luka.

    I don't agree with this intepretation. It honestly seems like a rationalization, but I'm interested in hearing some other perspectives.
    Personally, I don't like the idea of defining the character by her relationship to the protagonist (Okabe).

    If you're not familiar with the story, I can explain further.

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    XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
    Amendment XIV

    Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    these conservatives are always reprimanding people for violating the constitution

    but like to forget (or don't even really know) that they are doing the same fucking thing

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Xehalus wrote: »
    Amendment XIV

    Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    these conservatives are always reprimanding people for violating the constitution

    but like to forget (or don't even really know) that they are doing the same fucking thing

    But but but the only thing the constitution says is I can have all the guns and also the government can't tell my state what to do right?

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Yeah these fuckstains do dumb shit like carry around a pocket copy of the constitution, and yet seem almost entirely unable to interpret it despite most of them being from a law background...

    It's all just stupid grandstanding. They don't actually give half a shit about the constitution, just leveraging it to rile up their base.

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    ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    I have a question for everyone. I recently came upon this post: http://ask.fm/SciADV/answers/131022121015.
    It's by the translator who worked on the Steins;Gate visual novel, regarding the character Luka.

    I don't agree with this intepretation. It honestly seems like a rationalization, but I'm interested in hearing some other perspectives.
    Personally, I don't like the idea of defining the character by her relationship to the protagonist (Okabe).

    If you're not familiar with the story, I can explain further.

    I never played the VN for Steins gate, but...

    Does Luka ever stop using masculine pronouns for himself over the course of the route? The translator in that article specifies that he uses Boku (and corrects people about this), and on occasion Watashi. Boku being (usually) masculine in context.

    I suppose the main question would be. Does Luka specifically present as a woman by routes end?
    Obviously he wears the Shrine maiden outfit for most of the story, but i'd argue that clothing isn't actually your gender. Regardless of how much we gender clothing.
    You can be a guy and like guys too. So Lukas love for Okabe isn't specifically a trans thing.

    The post indicates that Luka has some dialogue where he says things would be better if he was a woman instead. That's definitely an indication that Luka wants to transition. So by the end of the route, does Luka start referring to himself with more feminine pronouns/stops correcting people who identify him as a woman?

    I feel like the question of "Is this person trans" is something that can only really be 100% answered by that person. Or in this case as the person is imaginary, by word of god. At best we can speculate based on how that person chooses to present themselves. If Luka shifts from calling himself by male pronouns (and correcting others who dont use them for him) at the start of the game, into using female pronouns by the end of the route, then it seem as if Luka had changed presentation.
    Otherwise you're speculating based on Sexual attraction, and clothes that a person chooses to wear. Which, in my opinion don't actually really indicate gender.

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    Chara CaroliChara Caroli Canes VenaticiRegistered User regular
    edited May 2016
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    I have a question for everyone. I recently came upon this post: http://ask.fm/SciADV/answers/131022121015.
    It's by the translator who worked on the Steins;Gate visual novel, regarding the character Luka.

    I don't agree with this intepretation. It honestly seems like a rationalization, but I'm interested in hearing some other perspectives.
    Personally, I don't like the idea of defining the character by her relationship to the protagonist (Okabe).

    If you're not familiar with the story, I can explain further.

    I never played the VN for Steins gate, but...

    Does Luka ever stop using masculine pronouns for himself over the course of the route? The translator in that article specifies that he uses Boku (and corrects people about this), and on occasion Watashi. Boku being (usually) masculine in context.

    I suppose the main question would be. Does Luka specifically present as a woman by routes end?
    Obviously he wears the Shrine maiden outfit for most of the story, but i'd argue that clothing isn't actually your gender. Regardless of how much we gender clothing.
    You can be a guy and like guys too. So Lukas love for Okabe isn't specifically a trans thing.

    The post indicates that Luka has some dialogue where he says things would be better if he was a woman instead. That's definitely an indication that Luka wants to transition. So by the end of the route, does Luka start referring to himself with more feminine pronouns/stops correcting people who identify him as a woman?

    I feel like the question of "Is this person trans" is something that can only really be 100% answered by that person. Or in this case as the person is imaginary, by word of god. At best we can speculate based on how that person chooses to present themselves. If Luka shifts from calling himself by male pronouns (and correcting others who dont use them for him) at the start of the game, into using female pronouns by the end of the route, then it seem as if Luka had changed presentation.
    Otherwise you're speculating based on Sexual attraction, and clothes that a person chooses to wear. Which, in my opinion don't actually really indicate gender.

    Good points, thanks.

    The plot of Steins;Gate involves the use of a time machine, which complicates matters somewhat.
    Luka expresses a desire to become a girl, and they successfully alter the past to change Luka's biological sex from birth.
    She does not change her appearance, clothing, behaviour or even pronoun in the new timeline (i.e. she looks feminine, but still uses "boku").
    Later, the change is undone due to other circumstances.

    As to your last point, I agree. Which is why I find these lines of dialog to be quite important:
    "I want... to become a girl..."
    "For example, I've always wanted to go to sleep at night, and then wake up as a girl the next morning, or something like that."


    Edit: I should probably mention that Luka's sexual attraction to Okabe does not play any part in my assessment of her character.

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    PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    god damn it

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    CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    Today's PvP strip, spoilered for big:
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    PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    Your presentation was really good Gatsby. Thank you for sharing it here

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    MaratastikMaratastik Just call me Mara, please! Registered User regular
    Calica wrote: »
    Today's PvP strip, spoilered for big:
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    I find it amusing that they made her look like Kim Davis.

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    I'm at planned parenthood to get my blood drawn and I'm the only trans girl in a room of like, 7 cis girls? And I am not getting happy looks, to say the least.

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    Ms DapperMs Dapper Yuri Librarian Registered User regular
    Fuck I'm sorry. That sucks :bigfrown:

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    they can suck your dick

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    Ugh. They couldn't get a vein after 3 attempts and charged me over a hundred dollars for the pleasure. They're sending me to a dedicated lab and said that I SHOULDN'T be charged but who knows.

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    Ms DapperMs Dapper Yuri Librarian Registered User regular
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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    It seems like Megyn Kelly is transitioning to not being a monster.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    It seems like Megyn Kelly is transitioning to not being a monster.

    Yeah She had that interview about HB2 recently with McRory where she really pinned him down to answer the question

    Didn't grill him intensely or anything but I was impressed

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    seasleepyseasleepy Registered User regular
    Her Fox contract is up next year, so she's making sure her options are open.

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    seasleepy wrote: »
    Her Fox contract is up next year, so she's making sure her options are open.

    In terms of having a career, Fox is probably still where all the money and attention is. Maybe she'll go and be the token conservative on some other network I guess.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    seasleepy wrote: »
    Her Fox contract is up next year, so she's making sure her options are open.

    In terms of having a career, Fox is probably still where all the money and attention is. Maybe she'll go and be the token conservative on some other network I guess.

    CNN would be a good career move for her, she would make a good soft token conservative for them for their bullshit balanced viewpoint

    There's a lot of conservative politicians, pundits, critics, and other suchfolk who are making a public move towards being more "moderate", basically in reaction to Trump.

    They see the personal political benefit in contrasting themselves directly from Trumpist Fasicism, and are either testing the waters to see if that is where the country is going, hedging their bet to see if Trumpism fails, or just straight up running away from Trump.

    It's the only good part about the horror that is Trump. It's a sobering moment that is making a lot of Republicans go "Jesus, is this where we are now?" and they're trying to walk back a lot of things they might've previously been okay with.

    In Canadian politics, Progressive Conservatives (which are a real thing, yeah) called this "Harper Horror", taking a look at where the guy who supposedly represents you is going and saying maaaaaaaybe that's not where you are going.

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    GatsbyGatsby Registered User regular
    Psykoma wrote: »
    Your presentation was really good Gatsby. Thank you for sharing it here

    And thank you for listening to it! :D

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    PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    A main thing that kept going through my head is that you are so much more exuberant than I can even attempt to be. That's a very good thing!

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    If we can figure out how to convert enthusiasm into energy, jules will power the world

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    CelloCello Registered User regular
    edited May 2016
    If we can figure out how to convert enthusiasm into energy, jules will power the world

    I mean, Joules are already an international standard unit for energy measurement

    We just need to phase the "o" out of the word and we'll be set

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    GatsbyGatsby Registered User regular
    Awww you guys! :heartbeat:

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Ms Dapper wrote: »

    You've got to be fucking kidding me.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    this pretty much is a new version of the school integration crisis of the 1950s

    regressive state politicians seeing the writing on the wall of social change and desperately trying to pander to boogeyman politics, losing their fucking minds when the federal government is slapping them down and saying "stop this fool bullshit"

    trying to use every tool in their disposal to literally stand in the door of change and say no

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