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[Chat]firmation Holism

WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
Arguments involving underdetermination attempt to show that there is no reason to believe some conclusion because it is underdetermined by the evidence. Then, if the evidence available at a particular time can be equally well explained by at least one other hypothesis, there is no reason to believe it rather than the equally supported rival (although many other hypotheses may still be eliminated).

Because arguments involving underdetermination involve both a claim about what the evidence is and that such evidence underdetermines a conclusion, it is often useful to separate these two claims within the underdetermination argument as follows:
  1. All the available evidence of a certain type underdetermines which of several rival conclusions is correct.
  2. Only evidence of that type is relevant to believing one of these conclusions.
  3. Therefore, there is no evidence for believing one among the rival conclusions.

The first premise makes the claim that a theory is underdetermined. The second says that rational decision (i.e. using available evidence) depends upon insufficient evidence.
The problem of non-referring names is an old puzzle in philosophy, which Quine captured when he wrote,

"A curious thing about the ontological problem is its simplicity. It can be put into three Anglo-Saxon monosyllables: 'What is there?' It can be answered, moreover, in a word—'Everything'—and everyone will accept this answer as true."[17]

More directly, the controversy goes,

"How can we talk about Pegasus? To what does the word 'Pegasus' refer? If our answer is, 'Something,' then we seem to believe in mystical entities; if our answer is, 'nothing', then we seem to talk about nothing and what sense can be made of this? Certainly when we said that Pegasus was a mythological winged horse we make sense, and moreover we speak the truth! If we speak the truth, this must be truth about something. So we cannot be speaking of nothing."

Quine resists the temptation to say that non-referring terms are meaningless for reasons made clear above. Instead he tells us that we must first determine whether our terms refer or not before we know the proper way to understand them.
Quine's ontological relativism (evident in the passage above) led him to agree with Pierre Duhem that for any collection of empirical evidence, there would always be many theories able to account for it. However, Duhem's holism is much more restricted and limited than Quine's. For Duhem, underdetermination applies only to physics or possibly to natural science, while for Quine it applies to all of human knowledge. Thus, while it is possible to verify or falsify whole theories, it is not possible to verify or falsify individual statements. Almost any particular statement can be saved, given sufficiently radical modifications of the containing theory. For Quine, scientific thought forms a coherent web in which any part could be altered in the light of empirical evidence, and in which no empirical evidence could force the revision of a given part.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Geth always knows when I'm about to go do something important.

    Like go home.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    This is a well thoughtout OP. I shall now cheapen it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHAWkpGCP7A

  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    what an op :(

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    intellectual OP

    Now let's look at the other areas of the internet

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  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    i knew god was real when i first laid eyes on nicki minaj's butt

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  • NecoNeco In My Restless Dreams Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Geth always knows when I'm about to go do something important.

    Like go home.

    Chat> going home

  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    you should've used that for your OP winky

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  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    winky have you seen the mathematical proof that demonstrates that winston Churchill was a carrot

    Vanguard have you listened to this lecture?

    http://ludix.com/moriarty/psalm46.html

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    the christian god would never have created nicki minaj's butt

    maybe Dionysus or something? I'd have to do research

  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    It doesn't matter in the slightest if there is a god of the traditional religious conception

  • firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    Them sure are a lot of words mm hmm.

    Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu
  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    Well, I wasn't expecting this!

  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    MrMister wrote: »
    Well, I wasn't expecting this!

    what you sporting right now champ?

    full chub? half chub? that kinda tweener where it's heavy enough to club someone but still too floppy for insertion?

    Sir Landshark on
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  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    i ate way too much turkish food

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    intellectual OP

    Now let's look at the other areas of the internet

    4WQylfy.jpg

    Maybe they just think about him on Harry Potter's birthday

  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    i knew god was real when i first laid eyes on nicki minaj's butt

    WHAT'S GOOD, MILEY

  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Geth always knows when I'm about to go do something important.

    Like go home.
    Just drag your nuts over the chat floor like I do.

  • TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    http://www.livecounts.x10host.com/?channel=Fine Bros

    Fine Bros at 13,865,300 subscribers


    Not a death blow but by all means a significant drop.

  • OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    what the fuck are these blocks of gibberish

    ugggghhhhhh

    here's my branching day decision tree
    • See Room at 4:30
    • If yes, eat chicken tendies?
    • If yes to movie but no to chicken tendies, eat delicious shake????
    • If no to movie, eat delicious ice cream sandwich????????
    • If no to movie and delicious ice cream sandwich, go work out and then eat a sensible dinner of leftover garlic honey chicken? Dunno man, why you'd make that choice but ok.

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    @Thomamelas places far from the sea don't count as "everywhere"

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  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    winky have you seen the mathematical proof that demonstrates that winston Churchill was a carrot

    Vanguard have you listened to this lecture?

    http://ludix.com/moriarty/psalm46.html

    The ending of that lecture reads exactly like the script to Dear Esther
    The stones in my stomach will weigh me down and ensure my descent is true and straight. I will break through the fog of these godforsaken pills and achieve clarity. All my functions are clogged, all my veins are choked. If my leg doesn’t rot off before I reach the summit, it will be a miracle. There are twenty-one connections in the circuit diagram of the anti-lock brakes, there are twenty-one species of gull inhabiting these islands , it is twenty-one miles between the Sandford junction and the turn off for home. All these things cannot, will not, be a co-incidence.

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
  • OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    intellectual OP

    Now let's look at the other areas of the internet

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    Maybe they just think about him on Harry Potter's birthday

    what about days with only 28 or 30 days

  • OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    MrMister wrote: »
    Well, I wasn't expecting this!

    what you sporting right now champ?

    full chub? half chub? that kinda tweener where it's heavy enough to club someone but still too floppy for insertion?

    *waggles feet*

  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    MrMister wrote: »
    Well, I wasn't expecting this!

    For some reason I thought someone batsignaled you on that earlier brief Quine-related convo

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
  • OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    the christian god would never have created nicki minaj's butt

    maybe Dionysus or something? I'd have to do research

    It was Dr Shapiro over in Beverly Hills.

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    winky have you seen the mathematical proof that demonstrates that winston Churchill was a carrot

    Vanguard have you listened to this lecture?

    http://ludix.com/moriarty/psalm46.html

    ...

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    Trace wrote: »
    http://www.livecounts.x10host.com/?channel=Fine Bros

    Fine Bros at 13,865,300 subscribers


    Not a death blow but by all means a significant drop.

    The more significant damage is going to happen when this lawyer destroys all of their existing trademarks and bleeds them for legal fees as they defend indefensible things

    I like the article name "Attorneys React: The Fine Bros REACT Trademark"

    override367 on
  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    What causes this weird mist about five feet off the ground where snow is?

  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    cptrugged wrote: »
    I wrote a nice long response to this god talk.

    Then we hit 100. I lost it and the draft.

    Fuck it.

    you wrote a long dissertation about god and society moved on without you.

    No I get it. This is brilliant.

  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    cptrugged wrote: »
    I wrote a nice long response to this god talk.

    Then we hit 100. I lost it and the draft.

    Fuck it.

    A++ response.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Trace wrote: »
    http://www.livecounts.x10host.com/?channel=Fine Bros

    Fine Bros at 13,865,300 subscribers


    Not a death blow but by all means a significant drop.

    There's a good chance those ~1.5 million subscribers are more meaningful than the other 13 though. The 13 could just be people that hit subscribe and never really meaningfully view their videos. The 1.5 million could be a bulk of their current subscribers that keep on the up and up of the media the view.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    What causes this weird mist about five feet off the ground where snow is?

    that's snow magic. A frostomancer can use it like mana

  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    cptrugged wrote: »
    I wrote a nice long response to this god talk.

    Then we hit 100. I lost it and the draft.

    Fuck it.

    I guess this means god isn't real

    oh cpt my cpt

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  • TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Trace wrote: »
    http://www.livecounts.x10host.com/?channel=Fine Bros

    Fine Bros at 13,865,300 subscribers


    Not a death blow but by all means a significant drop.

    There's a good chance those ~1.5 million subscribers are more meaningful than the other 13 though. The 13 could just be people that hit subscribe and never really meaningfully view their videos. The 1.5 million could be a bulk of their current subscribers that keep on the up and up of the media the view.

    considering the number keeps dropping I think they have more active subscribers than that.

    but this is a good point.

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Ludious wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    What causes this weird mist about five feet off the ground where snow is?

    that's snow magic. A frostomancer can use it like mana

    How do I acquire this skill

  • PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    fuckin Quine

    follow my music twitter soundcloud tumblr
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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Trace wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Trace wrote: »
    http://www.livecounts.x10host.com/?channel=Fine Bros

    Fine Bros at 13,865,300 subscribers


    Not a death blow but by all means a significant drop.

    There's a good chance those ~1.5 million subscribers are more meaningful than the other 13 though. The 13 could just be people that hit subscribe and never really meaningfully view their videos. The 1.5 million could be a bulk of their current subscribers that keep on the up and up of the media the view.

    considering the number keeps dropping I think they have more active subscribers than that.

    but this is a good point.

    Oh I'm sure. A good way to measure that is check how many 'liked/disliked' a video a few weeks back. That might give you a good indication of their current subscriber count. Though it might be skewed now that this shit is hitting the fan and people are going through and disliking them (I don't know I haven't checked because I don't personally care that much).

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    avenge my death chat

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    Trace wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Trace wrote: »
    http://www.livecounts.x10host.com/?channel=Fine Bros

    Fine Bros at 13,865,300 subscribers


    Not a death blow but by all means a significant drop.

    There's a good chance those ~1.5 million subscribers are more meaningful than the other 13 though. The 13 could just be people that hit subscribe and never really meaningfully view their videos. The 1.5 million could be a bulk of their current subscribers that keep on the up and up of the media the view.

    considering the number keeps dropping I think they have more active subscribers than that.

    but this is a good point.

    They get their money not from views but from ad revenue

    Advertisers hate this kind of controversy

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