[steam] thread: Aliens. Superhereos. Mayo. Games for all!

MudzgutMudzgut OhioRegistered User regular
edited February 2016 in Games and Technology
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Welcome to the Steam thread!
This is a pretty neat community of people who like to talk about video games, sales, digital distribution, hat economies, classiness and classholery. We enjoy long walks on the beach, digital hoarding, gifting, the suffering of longtime members, and raising money for charity.


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This is a big, busy thread. There are some guidelines to keep things nice and orderly:
  • Be civil.
  • This thread is for Steam-related discussion. Try to look for other, more appropriate threads before discussing games or other topics in here. Let's not drain other threads of precious content!
  • If you feel someone's acting inappropriately, then quietly report the responsible parties to forum mods.
  • Don't post links to active kickstarters without prior mod permission. Forum-wide rule.
  • Linking your Steam profile in your sig will help community members find you, see what kinds of games you like, invite you to MP games, etc.
  • Do not beg for games.

PA Steam Groups
We have two core Steam groups: Both of these groups have chat, and both are used sometimes to try to limit giveaways to community members. If you've just arrived, hang out here in the thread for a while and talk games with us before you ask for membership. When you do ask, include a link to your Steam profile. Steam name search is poop from a butt.
Penny Arcade is a general Steam group for folks from the PA forums.
PA G&T Adventure Team is a group that was originally created to get multi/coop going for smaller or older titles. Because it is actively moderated, a lot of folks use it as a giveaway group (to avoid problems we've had in the past with non-forumers scooping up gifts intended for the community.) Membership is locked during major sales.
HiT BiT wrote: »
Occasionally we also go on quests to slay a dragon and win the heart of a princess
The Newell needs those hearts (apparently they are used as power supply for the Steam servers).
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PA G&T Friday Night Game Fever!
@CorriganX had this crazy idea of getting some folks together to play games and thus Friday Night Game night began. Each week a game is posted as the Friday selection and at 9pm Eastern/6pm Pacific we all get online and fire up some multiplayer action. If there is a big enough reception, a second round of the game is usually played on Saturday or Sunday at Noon Eastern/6pm Central European so our friends from across the big drink can join us without needing to pull an all nighter. The games are typically streamed by at least one or two folks for viewing as well.
Thanks to @HiT BiT for this awesome banner!
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On the nature of gifting.
Sometimes people gift games.
  • Don't feel that you have to gift games to be a part of this community. It's just one of many things that go on. Some people can give lots of games. Some people can give a game or two a year. Some people make amazing images. Some people find hidden indie gems and report about them. Some people relay amazing gaming moments. Some people report sales. Some people are hysterical. Etc. There are many ways to participate in this community. Gifting is just one of them and is not required.
  • If you run a contest, have entries PMed to you. The thread gets too cluttered otherwise. You can, however, post the winning entries.
  • If you receive a gift, then take a moment to thank the gifter. Use the notification system so they can see your thank you post! ( @NAME. Use quotes around names with spaces.) See below for an example.
  • If you win a Steamgifts giveaway, in addition to thanking the gifter, be sure to mark the gift as received on Steamgifts. You tie up a gift 'slot' for the gifter until you do.
  • In addition to contests, wishlist gifting, ninja gifting, revenge gifting, pile-on gifting and Steamgifts.com giveaways, we have the new [ codes ][ /codes ] tags which can fire off one or more Steam codes (or activation links). More info about [ codes ] below.
A Steam thread participant preparing for gifting...
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Rare footage of a gift fight in action...
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Steam sales are legendary. From small to honking massive:
Daily Deals: One game a day goes on sale at 10am PT for 24 hours.
Midweek Madness: Starts 10am PT Tuesday and ends Thursday afternoon.
Weekend Sale: Starts midday Thursday and ends with the sale rollover Monday. Sometimes accompanies free play weekends for MP titles.
Publisher Sale: Many of the publishers games will get a modest discount with a single title or franchise getting a featured day with a deeper discount. Follow the big sale guidelines.
Seasonal Sales: Mardi Gras time here in the thread. Huge swaths of games go on discount, with daily specials, flash sales, community vote sales, and whatever else the evil geniuses at Valve cook up to separate us from our money. There are often metagames such as sale achievements or collectibles or other madness that rewards buying, playing and gifting games and participating in Steam's community. The summer sale usually starts in the last week of June and runs for two weeks, and the Winter sale usually runs for two weeks across Christmas and New Year's.
Other retailers like Amazon and Green Man Gaming get into the act now too, so there are often great values to be had during sales for Steam-activatable games from other sites.
Seasonal Sales Birthdays are basically a big deal around this thread.
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Important Note: If you are waiting for a particular game, be sure to mind the countdown timer on the game's store page. Starting Winter 2013, the last day of the sale was just a recap of top sellers. Most games went back to full price.

Steam's refund policy, Abuse section:
Refunds are designed to remove the risk from purchasing titles on Steam—not as a way to get free games. If it appears to us that you are abusing refunds, we may stop offering them to you. We do not consider it abuse to request a refund on a title that was purchased just before a sale and then immediately rebuying that title for the sale price.


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How do I join the Steam groups?
Membership to the two Steam groups is for reasonably active community members. If you have been on the PA forums for a while and have participated, post a link to your Steam profile here in the thread and a Steam group mod will take care of you.
If you've been on the forums for three days during a major sale and your only posts have been to casually express your strong desire for certain games, your request is unlikely to find a positive reception. Ditto if your very first post on the forum is to ask for group membership. Sadly this does happen sometimes.
The best parts of this community are available to you now just by showing up. Read some posts, make some posts, ask to be invited as a guest to chat, buy some games, play some games, etc. Group membership is modest icing on delicious cake.

Warning: This guy's going to make you buy games. All the games.
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How do I tag someone in the thread?
If you want to @ someone with spaces in their name, use quotation marks around the name so it looks like this:
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Which will then turn into this:
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Oh, and if you quote text that has an @alert in it, please take a moment to remove the @ (unless you really want that person to get another notification.) Sometimes we get to chatting and someone will get 3, 4, 5+ notifications all at once.

Where are you guys getting those nifty Steam Signatures?
Check out Alabaster Slim for his lovely signature generator.

Has Game X ever been Price Y? How can I keep track of all the sales and discounts?
http://isthereanydeal.com/ is your friend. You can sync your Steam wishlist to it if you like and get notifications when prices drop. Double check that you are getting a Steam key from a 3rd party site before buying.

How do the new [codes ][ /codes] tags even work?
Put a series of Steam activation codes (or activation links, or movie quotes, or winning lottery numbers...) inside the tags, each on its own line like this (without the spaces inside the brackets, of course):
[codes ]code 1
code 2
code 3
...
code n[/codes]
That will create a little box with a clickable link and a number. Each forumer who clicks the link will get a popup and a PM with the next line. Each line can only be sent out once and each forumer can only click once. It was originally designed to allow developers to hand out lots of codes for a game without some goose grabbing the lot.
Just one code thingy per post!
Note: [ code ][ /code ] is a different tag. Be sure to get that "s" up in there!

Trading cards? Badges? Steam profile levels? Boosters? FOILS?! What the hell?
Some games (more every week) now have trading cards. You can earn some of these cards by playing/idling the game. Some of them you'll need to get by trading or buying them from the Steam community market. Completing a set lets you craft a badge, which gives you an emoticon, a profile wallpaper, a coupon (usually) and profile experience. Leveling up your profile increase your friend cap, earns you customization options for your Steam profile and, allegedly, increases your chances of getting a booster. Boosters are packs of three cards that show up in your inventory sometimes. You can open them or sell them on the market. Sometimes cards are foil. Each game has a regular badge with five levels and a single-level foil badge. Oh, and you must be a certain level to get your card drops.

But that's pure, diabolical evil!
Yes, that's right.

Can we trade cards in the thread?
You can but it's inefficient. Use the Steam feature that shows you which of your friends has the cards you need. Oh, and join the Steam group we created for trading cards: PA Card Sharks
Also check this handy tip:
HiT BiT wrote: »
A little Steam trading trick some of you may not be aware of:
-Go to your Steam Inventory
-Click on the "Trade Offers" button
-Then click on the "Who can send me Trade Offers?" link
-Below you will find a "Trade URL"
You can share this URL with other Steam users to allow them to directly send you a trade offer even if they aren't on your friends list.
You can share this URL anywhere, including your forum sig.
If you have shared or posted your URL and would like to stop receiving trade offers from it use the "Create New URL" button. A new Trade URL will be created turning the previous one inoperative.
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Is Steam down?!
Is it Tuesday? It's probably scheduled maintenance.

It's not Tuesday. Is Steam down?!
http://issteamdown.com/

What are you people talking about? Why hats and what is an "Isy?"
Check out the handy Steam Thread Primer, written by @Smokestacks!
Steam Thread Primer:
Gaben/The Newell - Gabe Newell, Director of Valve Software. Called "Gaben" because in the commentary for older Source Engine games he would tell players to email him at "Gabe N. at valvesoftware.com" with user feedback.
Serve the Newell - To buy games on Steam, to give Gaben your money. From this comic edit.
Bad Rats - An incredibly awful 'physics' based puzzle game, available on Steam, notorious for being as awkward as it is broken. Will haunt your dreams. Popular gift to give to people.
Class - An attribute demonstrated by people who will generously purchase games and then give them to internet strangers.
Class War - When two or more forumers buy each other games back and forth until one of them gives up. I know this sounds really crazy, but it happens.
Bundle - Originally the Humble Indie Bundle, which was a "pay what you want" system for a group of games, now usually means any website selling a group of games (usually able to be registered on Steam) for a low price.
Giveaway/A Giveaway - Usually refers to a giveaway on Steamgifts.com, a website where you list a game you want to give away, people enter, and then a winner is randomly decided among all entrants after a set time period.
Hats/The Hatconomy - The purchase and sale of in-game hats or sometimes other items in TF2. Some hats are very valuable, which is funny because they are just hats for videogame characters. People who have valuable hats or other items in their inventories sometimes get messages from random people on Steam begging for those items.
Backlog - The list of games you have purchased, but have not gotten around to playing yet. Tends to grow over time, often to immense proportions. If you do not have a backlog yet, between the thread and the sales you will get one.
Spies/Russian Spies - People who lurk the thread or try to get into the various PA Steam groups not to participate in the community, but to try and get free games.
Steamsigs - Custom forum signatures that display a link to your Steam profile, as well as an image of a game you are currently playing, have played the most in the last two weeks, or have played the most over all time (if you haven't played any games on Steam in the last two weeks). Available here courtesy of forumer Suds. Having a Steam sig (or some sort of clickable link to your Steam profile in your signature) makes it considerably easier for people to add you to their friends list.
Child's Play - A charity started by the writer and artist behind PA that raises money for videogames/toys that go to children's hospitals, originally started in '03, has grown every year. Helps sick kids feel better about their time in the hospital while simultaneously refuting the idea that gamers are antisocial jerks.
Isy - Big Classy, a forumer. Formerly known as "Big Isy", he was granted the new name after donating a hefty amount of money to Child's Play during a fundraiser. Sometimes referred to as Isy, which might cause confusion to people who haven't been around very long.
Summer Dale - A phone's auto-correction of "Summer Sale", which through some sort of internet voodoo produced an actual entity, a smooth voiced funk loving man who lives in a world where the 80s reign eternal and supreme. Also sometimes used to describe the upcoming Summer Sale itself.
Rainbow and/or Slash - Two forumers by the name of Rainbowdespair and slash000 who are notable for developing the third and fourth installments of the Penny Arcade: On the Rainslick Precipice of Darkness series. Also developed Breath of Death VII and Cthulu Saves the World, two RPGs that, along with the Rainslick games, are available on Steam.
Also, sometimes shit gets real. Like that time we all murdered each other for bloodsport games. And there was a kabob conspiracy and a kind of Cthulhu bunny. @akajaybay took us down that particular rabbit hole. ;)

Why are you people obsessed with Bad Rats and Amnesia?
A moment of ill-advised swagger from anoffday turned into a horrifying LP of Bad Rats which, because reasons, turned into over $6000 raised for Child's Play.
CorriganX raised over $1100 for Child's Play via Amnesia.

Classy Christmas
We raised $11,903 dollars for charity in December 2013 and another $9,248 in December 2014!
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For our Christmas fundraiser to restore TychoCelchuuu's threadmaking privileges (and help the kids), I donated to Toronto's Hospital for Sick Children. This week I received a nice letter from them! I figured I'd share part of it with y'all, since this applies to all of you at least as much as it does to me.
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What is this Steamgifts site? I wish to create a giveaway! I cannot enter a giveaway!
Steamgifts is a neat site that lets people create giveaways for games on Steam. Points for entering giveaways are accumulated over time, so just wait a bit if you need points. Entry to giveaways can be limited by Steam group membership to prevent mooches from getting games.

How do I make one of those cool Steam Gifts signature giveaway banners?
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What are all these bundles you people keep talking about?
In addition to Steam sales and sales of Steam keys on other sites and gifts, we live in a golden age of bundles! Bundle sites sell batches of games for modest amounts of money, often as low as a few dollars. Many, but not all, contribute to charity and many, but not all, give you Steam keys for the games. Sometimes you'll buy an indie gem that isn't even on Steam, and later when arrives on Steam you will get a key through the bundle site. Be careful if you plan to gift some of the games, as sometimes the bundled games will come in a single Steam key. We have a separate bundles thread.

I have too many games! Which do I play?
Steam Roulette randomly picks a game for you to play.

I have too many games! How do I move them to my new hard drive?
Steam Mover makes transporting your massive library much easier.

But wait! I have ALL OF THE GAMES installed! I need more space on my hard drive! wat i do?
You download Tikione Steam Cleaner and clean up that shit
Steam Cleaner also available through GitHub!

Okay that helped. Now I have more room for stuff. Free stuff.
Isorn wrote: »
Someone on a steam forum made [url="http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/29711524/#Comment_29711524"a nice list of all free DLC you can add to your steam account[/url] if you have the base-game but that thread is currently not available so I figure I post it here. Since it is pretty easy to miss some of these.

The sale prices aren't right! What's going on?! Oh God, the darkness is closing in...
During the seasonal sales, you are one of a million monkeys hammering F5 at 10am PT to see the new sales. The system is always borked for 5-20 minutes. Take a deep breath. The Newell will deliver, and the new dailies will be available for 48 hours.

Why are some games not available in my region?
Publishers determine what countries get what games. Someone in a suit decided that it wasn't worth the money to make the game available to your region, so it isn't available on Steam. This also applies to cases of games having edited/censored versions showing up on Steam in certain countries. The good news is that you can generally get around this by having someone from another region gift or trade you the game.

Steam is downloading slowly. What gives?
You can head to Steam -> Settings -> Downloads + Cloud and change your download region until things improve. Since other regions are typically less populated, you will probably get somewhat better results even if the new server is in another country.

I enjoy watching video game streams. Where can I find some streamers that call the Steam Thread home?
@Houn has made a hub for finding Steam Thread Streamers.

The Steam thread has a proud tradition of marrying our love of Steam and Penny Arcade in comic edits:
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  • MudzgutMudzgut OhioRegistered User regular
    edited February 2016
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    All images lovingly stolen from Valve because I'm terrible at photoshop
    So you own a lot of games. But they're just sitting there in your backlog, doing nothing for you. Do you know what you need? Steam Trading Cards So you've got that game that you want to get, but are just a dollar short in your Steam Wallet and can't bring yourself to pull out the credit card. Do you know what you need? Steam Trading Cards So you like the Steam Community, but think your profile is kinda drab. Do you know what you need? Steam. Trading. Cards. About a year and a half ago, Valve introduce this little meta-game into the Steam Community called Steam Trading Cards, which has since been added to Literally thousands of games. In order to get your cards, you need to play your games - crazy concept for people in this thread, I know. As you play the game, cards will periodically appear in your inventory until you've gotten all drops available for that game - always half of a complete set. Free to Play games work a little differently, where you get 1 drop every $9 USD (appx) spent in the game.
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    So now you've got your cards, the question is what to do with them. Well, there's three main options:
    • Sell them on the market
    • Build a full set of cards
    • Trade/gift them with/to friends
    The market works like a stock market - you'll put yours up for sale at whatever price you're looking for, and buyers can list the prices they're interested in buying cards at. There's even historical data for the card available on the card's page if you check before listing, so don't just list it for 3 cents, or whatever the current cheapest one is. Maybe you can make more of a profit!
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    If you want to build a full set, you just do the same, but in reverse! Click the buy button, choose the amount you want to pay for the card, and then let the buy order sit until a match can be found. If one already exists, you'll get it immediately, or if you choose a price cheaper than what's listed, you'll get it when someone lists it. Higher prices take priority in the queue, so if you make one for 10 cents, and there's another buy order for 15 cents, if a card is listed for 10 cents, the 15 cent listing will take priority. And obviously, you've got to already have the money in your wallet in order for the order to take place. Once you've got that set built, you can go and craft a badge. Go to the "Badges" page under your profile dropdown, and you should see something like this:
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    Clicking the "ready" button will cause a silly little animation to play, and you'll be rewarded with a badge. Badges are little bling for your profile to show that you've crafted a badge.
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    Each badge can be leveled up to level 5 (so 5 complete sets of cards), with the exception of foil badges, which can only be crafted once. Foil badges are crafted from foil cards, which drop in place of normal cards approximately 1% of the time. In addition to your badges, you'll get emoticons, coupons, and profile backgrounds for the game in question.
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    Truthfully, emoticons are mostly useless because the messenger window is so tiny, although there's a few which are worthwhile. Coupons can be hit or miss - their value varies from 25% or so at the low end to as much as 90% (although those are obviously more rare), but tend to be on the sorts of games which are on the weeklong deals. It's rare to get a coupon for a real AAA game. That being said, they are discounts, and discounts are always nice. Backgrounds, on the other hand, can be applied to your profile, and some of those are simply excellent artwork.
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    Also, each card (if you click on them) has much more detailed artwork themselves, and once you've crafted a badge, you can access that artwork regardless of whether or not you have the card. Some of these are super nice!
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    In addition to this, you get 100 XP. That's right, Steam itself is a game now! As you gain experience points, your Steam account will level up. Levels 0-10 cost 100XP per level, 11-20 cost 200XP, and so on and so forth. Every level, you get 5 more spots on your friends list added, and the ability to add new sections to your profile.
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    And finally, being higher level increases your chances of getting booster packs. Once you've gotten all card drops for a given game, any time anyone crafts a badge, a booster pack is generated and given to someone, somewhere in the world who is eligible for that game. Booster packs can be sold like items, or opened to get 3 cards (which could include foils, but once more only 1% odds). At level 10 you get a 20% boost to your chances, level 20 a 40% boost, and so on and so forth. So as you level up, you'll get booster packs much more frequently. Now, buying cards isn't the only way to get cards. You can trade them, too! If you go to the badge page for a badge you're looking for, and scroll below the cards, there will be a listing of people on your friends list who have the cards you're missing.
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    You can then submit a trade or send a message to any of them to see what they'd want. And if none of your friends have cards, there's a number of places you can go to try to find trades, which will save you money in the long run, since Valve and the developer don't take their cut of the transaction of buying a card.
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    But now you've got all these emoticons and backgrounds which you don't want, but you don't necessarily want to sell. Well, you can turn them into gems! In your inventory, there should be a numerical amount of how many gems your items are worth - they vary from very low numbers to 100 gems, based off of prevalence in the market. Foil cards are the only items that can go for over 100 gems, as they're always 10x the value of normal cards. The more common an item is in the market, the more gems they're worth. These values were set in the Holiday 2014 sale, and may be rebalanced at some point. Why turn items into gems? Well, you can use gems to craft booster packs! These booster packs can be opened for more cards (and an additional shot at a foil), or sold on the marketplace, presumably for fun and profit.
    But what about special sales?
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    Well, it will change from sale to sale, so I'll refrain from giving specific advice. However, the following rules seem to be the standards anymore
    • There will be special badges for the sale, with 10 cards per level
    • The badge can be leveled up infinitely, including the foil badge. Some of these go up STUPID high. For example, here is the Holiday Sale 2013 badge for level 2000+: e041163b0c4d5cba61fb54612973612636cdd970.png
    • You will get one card for every set of other cards you craft, in place of coupons
    • You will get one card for every $10 you spend in the store.
    • You will get one card for per day when you vote in the User Choice poll (number of times will vary depending on number of polls per day).
    • Cards will expire one day after the sale ends, so they must be sold or crafted by then, or they will disappear.
    • In some sales (NOT the Winter 2014 sale), you will get some bonus item for a free to play game which can be redeemed for your account or sold if you craft a sale badge, 3 items if it's a foil.
    This past summer, there was another metagame where everyone was split into teams, so it was potentially better to hold onto your cards. This past holiday, there was an auction prior to the sale starting, so crafting early would have been a benefit as you'd have more items to make more gems to bid. Holiday 2013, there was just items and some of them were quire rare and valuable, so crafting as soon as possible was the best option. I'd recommend taking a stance of "wait and see," particularly for the first morning of the sale - Steam gets hammered at the start of the sale, and it's not uncommon for item drops to get screwed up if you craft around update (10am PST). Either commit to being early, or wait until the rush has passed. So that's the long and short of it. If you've got any questions, feel free to PM me. Some other resources for you to check out:

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  • GroveGrove Los AngelesRegistered User regular
    Breathe it in, that new thread smell, and despair.

    Naruto 4 this Friday! Get your pre orders in!

    Selling PS3 & 360 Madcatz TE Stick
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  • destroyah87destroyah87 Registered User regular
    He's not even been back a full day and @Halfazedninja up to his tricks.

    Thank you for Knight Squad! I don't ... what even is this? It looks crazy.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Grove wrote: »
    Breathe it in, that new thread smell, and despair.

    Remember: Up the alley! Not across the street!

    Grove
  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    He's not even been back a full day and Halfazedninja up to his tricks.

    Thank you for Knight Squad! I don't ... what even is this? It looks crazy.

    At this rate, he might be promoted to 3/4 of an assed

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  • Pixelated PixiePixelated Pixie Future world ruler Registered User regular
    Playing Rise of the Tomb Raider.

    Lara comes to a damaged tomb. Complains about all the damage previously done by amateur excavation.

    Wuuuuuut? Lara, sweetie... really?

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Playing Rise of the Tomb Raider.

    Lara comes to a damaged tomb. Complains about all the damage previously done by amateur excavation.

    Wuuuuuut? Lara, sweetie... really?

    How's she supposed to enjoy breaking something already broken?

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  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    Moving bodies in Dishonored is for chumps.

    Ash magic forever.

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  • hatedinamericahatedinamerica Registered User regular
    Hey, fake people can be hypocrites too!

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  • heenatoheenato Registered User regular
    Wow...so reading about the port of Tales of Symphonia...Jesus it's a trainwreck.

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  • HalfazedninjaHalfazedninja Author of Jake Howard: Multiverse 101! Behind YouRegistered User regular
    edited February 2016
    He's not even been back a full day and @Halfazedninja up to his tricks.

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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    Corpekata wrote: »
    Symphonia port is pretty bare bones. While you can change resolution to whatever your computer supports, it seems to have a fixed internal resolution so you're going to get a jaggy 720p image no matter what.

    Which is weird. Like why support arbitrary resolutions and not fix that?
    Developers only used to working on consoles, I'd assume.

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  • heenatoheenato Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    Peewi wrote: »
    Corpekata wrote: »
    Symphonia port is pretty bare bones. While you can change resolution to whatever your computer supports, it seems to have a fixed internal resolution so you're going to get a jaggy 720p image no matter what.

    Which is weird. Like why support arbitrary resolutions and not fix that?
    Developers only used to working on consoles, I'd assume.
    Tales of Zesteria is, from all accounts, a pretty good PC port. This port gets even worse, from a little sleuthing on neoGAF

    neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1178556

    where it turns out you get things like the localization files being just excel spreadsheet files, and " a DRM thats called VMProtect, that creates a new *.exe everytime the game starts."

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  • JazzJazz Fuck cancer. Un-UKRegistered User regular
    heenato wrote: »
    Peewi wrote: »
    Corpekata wrote: »
    Symphonia port is pretty bare bones. While you can change resolution to whatever your computer supports, it seems to have a fixed internal resolution so you're going to get a jaggy 720p image no matter what.

    Which is weird. Like why support arbitrary resolutions and not fix that?
    Developers only used to working on consoles, I'd assume.
    Tales of Zesteria is, from all accounts, a pretty good PC port. This port gets even worse, from a little sleuthing on neoGAF

    neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1178556

    where it turns out you get things like the localization files being just excel spreadsheet files, and " a DRM thats called VMProtect, that creates a new *.exe everytime the game starts."

    What the eff.

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  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    What's wrong with the localization being spreadsheets? Hell, I'd prefer if all games did that just for ease of modability/fixing typos. Long as they work what's the issue?

    Edit: Though, the rest of it is bullshit, yes.

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  • heenatoheenato Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    What's wrong with the localization being spreadsheets? Hell, I'd prefer if all games did that just for ease of modability/fixing typos. Long as they work what's the issue?

    Edit: Though, the rest of it is bullshit, yes.
    They don't work. Half the localizations are not in there properly, and also they somehow added NEW typos to the game.

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  • SumanaiSumanai muh PTRegistered User regular
    Finished The Witcher 3 today, took me a little over 120 hours overall and enjoyed every single one. This includes doing all the sidequests I came across and other stuff like treasure hunts and contracts (still quite a few undiscovered locations, though). Also completed my Gwent collection by getting all the cards and mastercrafted both of my favorite set of armors/swords, Feline and Wolven. Still amazed how good this game looks, especially the armors and clothing on all of the most important characters. Overall, a truly amazing game and tied at the top of my GOTY 2015 list with Rocket League.

    And then this happened:
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    And now to play Hearts of Stone while waiting for the big one later this year, Blood and Wine.

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  • StollsStolls Brave Corporate Logo Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    heenato wrote: »
    Peewi wrote: »
    Corpekata wrote: »
    Symphonia port is pretty bare bones. While you can change resolution to whatever your computer supports, it seems to have a fixed internal resolution so you're going to get a jaggy 720p image no matter what.

    Which is weird. Like why support arbitrary resolutions and not fix that?
    Developers only used to working on consoles, I'd assume.
    Tales of Zesteria is, from all accounts, a pretty good PC port. This port gets even worse, from a little sleuthing on neoGAF

    neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1178556

    where it turns out you get things like the localization files being just excel spreadsheet files, and " a DRM thats called VMProtect, that creates a new *.exe everytime the game starts."

    My gut impression is Zestiria's development factored the PC port in at some point, whereas Symphonia, which did not, was more involved than they anticipated. It wouldn't surprise me if it's just some halfassed emulation whose QA consisted of "does it run at all? Y/N".

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  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    Maybe they'll patch it in later like with the PC versions of FF13?

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks The Myth, the Legend, the Bowman, the Shambler FuckerRegistered User regular
    We shouldn't have to light the Durante signal, devs should just release shit that isn't broken in the first place.

    There's no reason why we should assume that a new PC port will release broken. All of the people who are recommending we "just wait until modders fix it" are not helping. Just don't buy it. Vote with your wallet. If you absolutely must play it than wait a few months and grab it during the summer sale or something I guess but please do your best not to support developers like this.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    I would vote with my wallet by not buying the port after this, but I got it for free because @ReverseCreations went on a bit of a spree last summer with Tales of Zestiria.

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  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    I do my part by not owning it and complaining loudly

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  • SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    I guess I feel less bad for buying Tales of Symphonia on sale a few years ago on PSN now, rather than waiting for a PC port.

  • HeartfinderHeartfinder Registered User regular
    Wow. The issues are so bad I actually requested a refund on ToS. Infuriating as I was really looking forward to it. I'll just play Grim Dawn more I suppose.

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  • DyasAlureDyasAlure SeattleRegistered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    heenato wrote: »
    Peewi wrote: »
    Corpekata wrote: »
    Symphonia port is pretty bare bones. While you can change resolution to whatever your computer supports, it seems to have a fixed internal resolution so you're going to get a jaggy 720p image no matter what.

    Which is weird. Like why support arbitrary resolutions and not fix that?
    Developers only used to working on consoles, I'd assume.
    Tales of Zesteria is, from all accounts, a pretty good PC port. This port gets even worse, from a little sleuthing on neoGAF

    neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1178556

    where it turns out you get things like the localization files being just excel spreadsheet files, and " a DRM thats called VMProtect, that creates a new *.exe everytime the game starts."

    What the eff.

    11. And something to chuckle about. Apparently the one who is in charge of the discussionforums for this port was called "Lazy Mofo" on Steam. After being called out, he changed his Steam name.

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    Well... shit.

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/ant-simulator-canceled-after-team-spends-the-money-on-booze-and-strippers-499697.shtml
    The main developer of Ant Simulator, Eric Tereshinski, announced the cancellation of the game and his resignation after he found out that his business partners have spent the money on booze and strippers.

    Ant Simulator was a really promising project that would allow players to manage an ant colony from that perspective. It benefited from a couple of crowdfunding campaigns, it was trying to get in Steam Early Access, and there was even a Beta version available. From the looks of it, the project has been hit by some unusual financial problems.

    It's not the first time a game is canceled due to financial problems. Sometimes the developers burn through the crowdfunding money too fast, or they don't properly evaluate the correct amount they needed for the project. On the other hand, finding out that the money was spent on restaurants, booze, and strippers (or exotic dancers if you like that term better) is a first.


    Ant Simulator is no more

    The development on Ant Simulator was done by a single guy, Eric Tereshinski. He partnered with a couple of other guys, Tyler Monce and Devon Staley, and together they formed ETeeski.

    The developer and founder of ETeeski, Eric Tereshinski announced that the project is officially dead and that he resigns from the company. The guys that he partnered with in the LLC managed to burn through all the money they had, including the funds from the crowdfunding campaign.

    As soon as he found out, Eric resigned and posted a video on YouTube in which he explains what happened. He also mentions that his two ex-partners and friends are legally covered and that he can't do anything about it, with the exception of resigning.

    He is also trying to find a way for people to get refunds, but that will probably take a while.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Even better with that Ant Simulator thing, his ex-partners have told him in no uncertain terms that if he tries to continue Ant Simulator without them then they'll sue.

    I don't see how they're legally covered for spending dev money on things like that though.

  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    Madican wrote: »
    Even better with that Ant Simulator thing, his ex-partners have told him in no uncertain terms that if he tries to continue Ant Simulator without them then they'll sue.

    I don't see how they're legally covered for spending dev money on things like that though.

    According to the dev's in followup to his YouTube announcement:
    A lot of people are telling me to seek legal advice. I have. The problem is that these guys covered their asses in the contract. They'll say the drinks were for business meetings, and they have the paperwork/minutes to prove they had meetings (even though I know they were bullshit meetings). They went over the contract line by line with me and I reviewed the whole thing twice. I just didn't realize they had protected themselves, screwed me (like the fact that they listed themselves as consultants, so they aren't legally obligated to work on anything, but still have the rights to spend money ect.), and I had no idea what their plan was until it was too late.

    I could try to sue them, yes. The problem is that the most likely outcome is that things will end up more or less the same as they are now. The only difference is that I would have wasted a lot of time and money on court and lawyer fees. Cutting ties with them is just faster, simpler, and safer. Besides, I'm really damn good at making games. I will make other games. They won't.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    This sounds tailor-made for getting a precedent on liability from crowdsourcing. I can't imagine a judge being anything but appalled by it, to where they'd look for any theory under which liability could apply.

    Of course, this requires someone to sue first... wonder if they took any money from lawyers (or people connected to them) who'd love to try and set a precedent here?

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks The Myth, the Legend, the Bowman, the Shambler FuckerRegistered User regular
    "Ant Simulator" sounds like the game I had no idea I really wanted.

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  • ReverseCreationsReverseCreations Registered User regular
    Haven't fired it up yet, if that's the case that's a shame, oh well virtually free game :)
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    Thanks to whichever monster called upon the Nobody Anonymous Gifting Service, I bet it was @Madican. juz cuz.

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  • JazzJazz Fuck cancer. Un-UKRegistered User regular
    Further to the Tales of Symphonia mess, according to multiple Steam reviews:

    The game needs Adminstrator rights to write temp files to the root of the C: drive. The VMprotect DRM causes a new .exe to be generated every time, which goes in a new folder in root C:, which gets filled with empty folders (they don't remove the folder that contains the current running game session). And if you have no C: drive (admittedly surely rare)? You'll need to change the drive letter of an existing partition or use an external drive.

    I say again, what the eff.

  • IoloIolo iolo Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    "Ant Simulator" sounds like the game I had no idea I really wanted.

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    EDIT: Not on GoG - boo!

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Okay, now that's just plain bad.

    Unless they lost the original source and had to hack the port together or something that's entirely inexcusable. Any professional coder worth his salt should be using relative file paths off the executable's directory (or off of pseudo-absolute locations like the Windows documents folder).

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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    Iolo wrote: »
    "Ant Simulator" sounds like the game I had no idea I really wanted.

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    EDIT: Not on GoG - boo!

    My favorite thing was realizing you can possess the spider to wreck havoc on the enemy colony. And infesting the whole yard causing the humans to move out. And leading my colony to victory over the red menace.

    I really loved Sim Ant.

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  • SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    Iolo wrote: »
    "Ant Simulator" sounds like the game I had no idea I really wanted.

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    EDIT: Not on GoG - boo!

    I had SimAnt on my Mac in the late 80s/early 90s. Loved that game. It had a fairly interesting campaign (for the time) that involved taking over a house's yard and interior a square at a time. It culminated in driving the (unseen) family out of the house, which I believe happened when you took over 75% of the property.

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  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    In an unsurprising twist, the two guys that that one guy is accusing of blowing all the money on strippers and booze have put out a statement that that one guy is full of shit, and that it is in fact HE who is taking the money and running.

    http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2016/02/01/ant-simulator-business-partners-respond-devs-claims-100-percent-bull.aspx?utm_content=buffer883c5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

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  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    I just realized the general from Wargames was in Red Alert 2


    I'm plugging along in C&C 3 and finally face the third enemy as NOD.

    Rather sad to see Australia end, fun times. Ayers rock became easy as I had started a mini base near where one of the late stage objectives was and could just walk right in with avatars and capture it after clearing out defenses.

  • JazzJazz Fuck cancer. Un-UKRegistered User regular
    I just realized the general from Wargames was in Red Alert 2

    He was in Tex Murphy: The Pandora Directive too.

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  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    In an unsurprising twist, the two guys that that one guy is accusing of blowing all the money on strippers and booze have put out a statement that that one guy is full of shit, and that it is in fact HE who is taking the money and running.

    http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2016/02/01/ant-simulator-business-partners-respond-devs-claims-100-percent-bull.aspx?utm_content=buffer883c5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    Never do business with Friends or Family if you want to remain such. I don't know what percentage of blame is on each side, but it's pretty clear no matter who's ultimately "liable", shit broke down between them a long time ago.

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