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    Dex DynamoDex Dynamo Registered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »

    this is not about Fray Tormenta, and is therefore NOT WORTH MY TIME

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    Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    i am going to start using "where in the bible does it say 'thou shalt not wrestle?'" all the time

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    411Randle411Randle Librarian Oook.Registered User regular
    Leviticus, probably.

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    LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    So, I finally got caught up on this thread (well, the last one, mostly) last night after being away for a week.

    One thing I was surprised no one talked about is this: WWE producer/writer Brian James claims wins and losses don't matter





    More analysis behind the link above, but...

    Just... wow. I know fans have been saying it for quite some time now, but hearing that it's the actual mindset behind the scenes...? I don't know, it just makes things feel especially pointless to follow in some regard.

    Why even call it "sports" entertainment, if you're just going to ignore that part?

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    I mean he's right

    Wins and losses don't matter if your character work is strong enough

    They help to prop up those with weaker characters or gimmicks (hey roman)

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    It's more accurate to say that their record doesn't matter, but if someone's gonna be a credible threat, they gotta have some wins to back it up.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    And if we consistently get the Jericho here

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJIQaI03POE

    I wouldn't mind him taking up TV time.

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I still don't understand why he changed to short trunks.

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    411Randle411Randle Librarian Oook.Registered User regular
    Wins and losses don't matter in wrestling, because it's scripted.

    How wrestlers react to wins and losses, and how they advance plot and character development is what matters. Which is often the problem in WWE because wins and losses don't matter in storyline terms, either.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    The Geek wrote: »
    It's more accurate to say that their record doesn't matter, but if someone's gonna be a credible threat, they gotta have some wins to back it up.

    Yeah this I can agree with. I don't think Styles losing to Jericho last night will hurt him but if he keeps losing in high profile matches (and so far it's only one) that will affect him definitely.

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    The Geek wrote: »
    It's more accurate to say that their record doesn't matter, but if someone's gonna be a credible threat, they gotta have some wins to back it up.

    Or just be a compelling enough character

    It's why I still kinda get excited over bray watt even though he's never beaten anyone ever in the history of time

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    411Randle wrote: »
    Wins and losses don't matter in wrestling, because it's scripted.

    How wrestlers react to wins and losses, and how they advance plot and character development is what matters. Which is often the problem in WWE because wins and losses don't matter in storyline terms, either.

    This is why I'm glad Owens is acting so dejected and pissed off when he keeps losing to Dolph.

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    LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    Wins and losses absolutely matter.

    If Daredevil never won a fight, he wouldn't be credible as a vigilante.

    If Daredevil won every fight with ease, there would be no dramatic tension in his action scenes.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Wins and losses absolutely matter.

    If Daredevil never won a fight, he wouldn't be credible as a vigilante.

    If Daredevil won every fight with ease, there would be no dramatic tension in his action scenes.

    Well if DD loses a fight he probably ends up dead while in wrestling it's lying on your back for 3 seconds.

    But I get your point.

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    HawkstoneHawkstone Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things. Somewhere outside of BarstowRegistered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »

    Bubba has been doing good mic work for a while now as a solo act despite working for the undying monster, it was a step back for him to go back to doing Dudley Boy promos. Good to see him return to form.

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    KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    one of the most important moments in the Old Testament involves a wrestling match
    Jacob was left alone; and a man wrestled with him until daybreak. When the man saw that he did not prevail against Jacob, he struck him on the hip socket; and Jacob's hip was put out of joint as he wrestled with him.
    Then he said, "Let me go, for the day is breaking."
    But Jacob said, "I will not let you go, unless you bless me."
    So he said to him, "What is your name?"
    And he said, "Jacob."
    Then the man said, "You shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with humans, and have prevailed."

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    LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    The story they are trying to tell involves a fictional sport.

    Thus the results of that fictional sport matter to the characters, their development, and how they are presented.

    If the fictional sport doesn't matter then nothing matters, because it is the foundation of the entire premise of the show.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    D-Von's forehead

    :(

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    KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    The Geek wrote: »
    I still don't understand why he changed to short trunks.

    short hair + trunks jericho is the worst look

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    HawkstoneHawkstone Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things. Somewhere outside of BarstowRegistered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    D-Von's forehead

    :(
    Laughy Taffy forehead is a proud wrestling tradition.

    Inside of a dog...it's too dark to read.
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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Kilroy wrote: »
    The Geek wrote: »
    I still don't understand why he changed to short trunks.

    short hair + trunks jericho is the worst look

    Short hair+jacket+shorts you mean

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    HawkstoneHawkstone Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things. Somewhere outside of BarstowRegistered User regular
    Kilroy wrote: »
    The Geek wrote: »
    I still don't understand why he changed to short trunks.

    short hair + trunks jericho is the worst look

    Short hair+jacket+shorts you mean

    Had to go all in on the midlife crisis David Lee Roth combo pack.

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    Baroque And RollBaroque And Roll Every spark of friendship and love Will die without a homeRegistered User regular
    I

    love

    Jericho's jacket

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    i hate aj's dumb gloves

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I love AJ's dumb gloves

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    Baroque And RollBaroque And Roll Every spark of friendship and love Will die without a homeRegistered User regular
    i hate aj's dumb gloves

    Excuse me?

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    TurambarTurambar Independent Registered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    Wins and losses absolutely matter.

    If Daredevil never won a fight, he wouldn't be credible as a vigilante.

    If Daredevil won every fight with ease, there would be no dramatic tension in his action scenes.

    Well if DD loses a fight he probably ends up dead while in wrestling it's lying on your back for 3 seconds.

    But I get your point.

    what

    Daredevil and other heroes lose all the time

    Both are fictional fighting with a written story behind them, and I think Locked's comparison works well

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    crwthcrwth THAT'S IT Registered User regular
    the gloves are good

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    i hate aj's dumb gloves

    Excuse me?

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    see these gloves are good!

    the blue ones are Not

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    I

    love

    Jericho's jacket

    Me too but it requires pants

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    SchideSchide Yeoh! Registered User regular
    Christopher Daniels for best gloves.

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    Or at least hand covering related wrappings.

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    How about Mankind's original Mandible Claw glove thingy?

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
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    AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    They could've at least removed Sasha's name from Team BAD's scroll.

    And the Dudley's are meant to be heel but they're beating up the Usos. I'm conflicted.

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    I think I'd say

    A win or A loss doesn't matter. no individual match makes or breaks a character or career. yes even if it's to john cena when you've been a monster up to that point

    but to say they absolutely mean nothing is clearly false. if you lose to r truth you're not going to be challenging for the belt the next night. everyone knows that for a fact.

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    TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    They could've at least removed Sasha's name from Team BAD's scroll.

    And the Dudley's are meant to be heel but they're beating up the Usos. I'm conflicted.

    They are trying to get face heat on the Usos because the New Day stole ALL of it.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    I love New a Day with all my heart but... I think the Dudley's hitting 10 time champ status and going on one more heel run is what I want to see.

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    RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    They could've at least removed Sasha's name from Team BAD's scroll.

    And the Dudley's are meant to be heel but they're beating up the Usos. I'm conflicted.

    They are trying to get face heat on the Usos because the New Day stole ALL of it.

    Patently untrue if you think the Usos aren't super over.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    New Day can still do all their cool shit without the titles.

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