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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    Seriously though I'm really happy for Roxanne, she made it back into the UFC and convincingly beat a contender
    She's arguably better now than she was when she left

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  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    edited January 20
    Maycee nooooooooooooo!

    Good for roxanne though.

    Booo Connor.

    But I want to point to that fight for anyone who used to tell me shoulder strikes aren't worth it. If you've got the right shoulders they damn well are!

    I've been about the shoulder strikes for a long god damn time.

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  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    If any of you heard a really load groan, it was the collective exasperation of martial artists that clinch in sparring realizing that everyone's going to be trying shoulder strikes this week.

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    I found that tilting it doesn't work very well, and once I started jerking it, I got much better results.

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  • SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Today we will paint a mountain that owes us nothing. Registered User regular
    edited January 21
    Hey, a question for you guys

    I'm considering attending a krav maga class with some coworkers who've been bugging me for a year now(one amateur and one who is an instructor) and they've recommended I get some MMA-style gloves. On the other side, my local gym has a couple of heavy bags that don't really see a crowd, and I like using them for cardio and training.

    I own no gloves - what should I get? Something like a pair of 12-oz boxing gloves, and then a pair of 8-oz MMA gloves? I've been told I will look stupid working a heavy bag with MMA gloves. Any cheap recommendations for someone not 100% invested in the hobby? I already own handwraps, you don't wrap your hands for the MMA gloves, right?

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    You probably want to wrap your hands any time you are performing power strikes a surface that offers meaningful resistance (e.g., a heavy bag). You might be able to get away with no wraps against a soft target with a lot of give, but once you start doing heavy bag work then you need to be wrapping or you risk doing damage to your hands and wrists. Think of wraps as a way to "lock in" the alignment of your fist - a proper wrap helps to prevent a poor or particularly heavy strike from, among other things, causing your fingers to dig into your palms or causing your wrist to bend. It also helps to maintain proper structure in the first place, which again helps to prevent injury.

    Once you have the wraps on, anything beyond that is to help protect the wrap itself from superficial damage such as tearing (or just from getting dirty in general). I would strongly question the expertise of someone who tells you that striking a heavy bag with MMA gloves makes you look stupid. How you "look" matters fuck all. What matters is your safety and proper training. You can 100% use MMA gloves on a bag. The important thing is that you are wrapping first. If you aren't wrapping, the outer glove really doesn't matter and only serves to prevent your skin from tearing or getting scratched. It will not offer any meaningful injury prevention otherwise, and in fact will likely make you more injury prone because you think this 1-inch layer of padding is going to stop you from breaking your wrist from a shitty punch against a 100 lbs bag.

    Boxing gloves do not prevent meaningful injury. Anyone who tells you otherwise has no idea what they are talking about. The reason boxing gloves exist is to prevent bleeding so that fights can go longer. That's all they are there for. MMA gloves serve the exact same purpose except that each individual finger is padded, rather than the entire fist.

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  • SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Today we will paint a mountain that owes us nothing. Registered User regular
    You probably want to wrap your hands any time you are performing power strikes a surface that offers meaningful resistance (e.g., a heavy bag). You might be able to get away with no wraps against a soft target with a lot of give, but once you start doing heavy bag work then you need to be wrapping or you risk doing damage to your hands and wrists. Think of wraps as a way to "lock in" the alignment of your fist - a proper wrap helps to prevent a poor or particularly heavy strike from, among other things, causing your fingers to dig into your palms or causing your wrist to bend. It also helps to maintain proper structure in the first place, which again helps to prevent injury.

    Once you have the wraps on, anything beyond that is to help protect the wrap itself from superficial damage such as tearing (or just from getting dirty in general). I would strongly question the expertise of someone who tells you that striking a heavy bag with MMA gloves makes you look stupid. How you "look" matters fuck all. What matters is your safety and proper training. You can 100% use MMA gloves on a bag. The important thing is that you are wrapping first. If you aren't wrapping, the outer glove really doesn't matter and only serves to prevent your skin from tearing or getting scratched. It will not offer any meaningful injury prevention otherwise, and in fact will likely make you more injury prone because you think this 1-inch layer of padding is going to stop you from breaking your wrist from a shitty punch against a 100 lbs bag.

    Boxing gloves do not prevent meaningful injury. Anyone who tells you otherwise has no idea what they are talking about. The reason boxing gloves exist is to prevent bleeding so that fights can go longer. That's all they are there for. MMA gloves serve the exact same purpose except that each individual finger is padded, rather than the entire fist.

    I intend to wrap when I'm using a heavy bag. "Look stupid" was the phrasing used but the context of the conversation was "hey, these are the wrong tool for this purpose, you should be using a pair of 12/14/16 gloves for a heavy bag for the padding and to take it easier on your partner in sparring." I should've unpacked that.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    If you are sparring then boxing gloves make more sense, because the gloves help prevent superficial/minor injuries to your opponent. But if you're just doing bag work then you can use MMA gloves just fine.

  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    You also need to ask at where you are training honestly.

    Most places have specific requirements for sizes of gloves while sparring.

    Like where I was I could use 12oz gloves for sparring but only because I weighed under 150lbs. Above that you needed heavier gloves. But that rule is going to vary based on the gym.

    So a lot of these questions need to be answered by the gym.

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  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    edited January 21
    I would add that you should be careful about Krav Maga and similar "Reality Based Self Defense" systems and gyms. There is quality out there but there is a lot of crap surrounding that quality, especially under the Krav Maga branding.

    There is crap out there in the combat sports arena too, but not nearly as prolific. Usually the worst you find are places that aren't sparring because their client base are middle aged white collar types who just want some cardio but felt awkward going to a Karate or TKD place. Whereas with the RBSD stuff you will run into people who have never thrown a punch in anger and are using bad training methodologies who think they are prepared for a real fight.
    And it's not that they are bad people but that the same dynamics which exist in cults are common enough in martial arts circles that you can get sucked in through socialization.

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  • SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Today we will paint a mountain that owes us nothing. Registered User regular
    edited January 21
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    I would add that you should be careful about Krav Maga and similar "Reality Based Self Defense" systems and gyms. There is quality out there but there is a lot of crap surrounding that quality, especially under the Krav Maga branding.

    There is crap out there in the combat sports arena too, but not nearly as prolific. Usually the worst you find are places that aren't sparring because their client base are middle aged white collar types who just want some cardio but felt awkward going to a Karate or TKD place. Whereas with the RBSD stuff you will run into people who have never thrown a punch in anger and are using bad training methodologies who think they are prepared for a real fight.
    And it's not that they are bad people but that the same dynamics which exist in cults are common enough in martial arts circles that you can get sucked in through socialization.

    I'm under no illusions that the place is going to turn me into Jason Bourne; they don't advertise Krav Maga at all, it's just one of the classes offered at this place. I'm just looking for some cardio that isn't interminable running on a treadmill/elliptical.

    I've been to one at this place before and it seemed legit enough, for what it was. I'm familiar with Krav from taking a class very briefly years ago with a visiting retired IDF colonel who happened to be here while his wife was a visiting prof, who put on the class at the Hillel for shits and giggles. Rules for that class were strictly streetwear, though, which is why I don't have any experience with gloves.

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  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    I am not saying you will do this, but something I have encountered often enough that I don't think it is rare is that training in an ostensible martial art, even if it is for general fitness, has the potential to trick you into thinking you're learning to fight even when you went into knowing you weren't. It's a weird effect where somehow in the time between knowingly walking into a martial arts school strictly to get in general shape because regular cardio is boring and really getting into it people seem to forget that they aren't actually there to learn how to fight. It's something you have to be mindful of so you don't find yourself falling into that trap. That's why I generally recommend people who want cardio but don't want to run or ride a bike take up something like pickup basketball or soccer. For whatever reason people who do that don't seem to have that problem at the same rate as people who train in martial arts strictly for fitness.

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  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    edited March 26
    When nothing else can be counted on in life

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  • MagellMagell Sphinx! Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    edited March 26
    When nothing else can be counted on in life

    Count on the king of fuckups continuing to fuck up


    Jesus Christ! That man is such a fuckup.

    Really like the touch of him drinking Masvidal's mezcal brand.

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  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    You probably want to wrap your hands any time you are performing power strikes a surface that offers meaningful resistance (e.g., a heavy bag). You might be able to get away with no wraps against a soft target with a lot of give, but once you start doing heavy bag work then you need to be wrapping or you risk doing damage to your hands and wrists. Think of wraps as a way to "lock in" the alignment of your fist - a proper wrap helps to prevent a poor or particularly heavy strike from, among other things, causing your fingers to dig into your palms or causing your wrist to bend. It also helps to maintain proper structure in the first place, which again helps to prevent injury.

    Once you have the wraps on, anything beyond that is to help protect the wrap itself from superficial damage such as tearing (or just from getting dirty in general). I would strongly question the expertise of someone who tells you that striking a heavy bag with MMA gloves makes you look stupid. How you "look" matters fuck all. What matters is your safety and proper training. You can 100% use MMA gloves on a bag. The important thing is that you are wrapping first. If you aren't wrapping, the outer glove really doesn't matter and only serves to prevent your skin from tearing or getting scratched. It will not offer any meaningful injury prevention otherwise, and in fact will likely make you more injury prone because you think this 1-inch layer of padding is going to stop you from breaking your wrist from a shitty punch against a 100 lbs bag.

    Boxing gloves do not prevent meaningful injury. Anyone who tells you otherwise has no idea what they are talking about. The reason boxing gloves exist is to prevent bleeding so that fights can go longer. That's all they are there for. MMA gloves serve the exact same purpose except that each individual finger is padded, rather than the entire fist.

    There is another benefit to wrapping your hands: The wraps absorb sweat which means your gloves don't get as stinky. And it's a lot simpler to wash wraps in the laundry room than clean gloves.
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    I would add that you should be careful about Krav Maga and similar "Reality Based Self Defense" systems and gyms. There is quality out there but there is a lot of crap surrounding that quality, especially under the Krav Maga branding.

    There is crap out there in the combat sports arena too, but not nearly as prolific. Usually the worst you find are places that aren't sparring because their client base are middle aged white collar types who just want some cardio but felt awkward going to a Karate or TKD place. Whereas with the RBSD stuff you will run into people who have never thrown a punch in anger and are using bad training methodologies who think they are prepared for a real fight.
    And it's not that they are bad people but that the same dynamics which exist in cults are common enough in martial arts circles that you can get sucked in through socialization.

    Krav is a victim of the same kind of thing that happened to Karate and TKD where it gained enough name recognition that people wanted to get in on a potential money train. The same thing has started popping up in BJJ too though to a much smaller degree for now but I suspect it will grow.

    Big Dookie wrote: »
    I found that tilting it doesn't work very well, and once I started jerking it, I got much better results.

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  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    IIRC the most well known offender is Flow BJJ for celebrities who don't want to get cauliflower ear or bruises on their face. I don't have experience with cauliflower ear despite years of wrestling, sub wrestling, MMA including amateur fights, and a sprinkle of Judo. So my experience is biased towards not thinking that is such a big deal.

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  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    IIRC the most well known offender is Flow BJJ for celebrities who don't want to get cauliflower ear or bruises on their face. I don't have experience with cauliflower ear despite years of wrestling, sub wrestling, MMA including amateur fights, and a sprinkle of Judo. So my experience is biased towards not thinking that is such a big deal.

    It's an odd thing in that some people seem to be predisposed to it and others immune. I've heard of one case where someone did years of one grappling art without it being an issue but the first time practicing in another and he had signs of it.

    That said, it is treatable if caught and drained quickly.

    Big Dookie wrote: »
    I found that tilting it doesn't work very well, and once I started jerking it, I got much better results.

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