A thought, for anyone having difficulties:
If nothing else about the game was rebalanced for this forward port, unless I'm grievously mis-remembering systems from the past or making a bad assumption about the process, your pokemon are technically less powerful than they would have been on the original carts. Original Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silver/Crystal had a different EV system under the hood where you could effectively get twice as many. To my knowledge, that's some of the reasoning there was never a compatibility between those generations and anything newer. For these re-releases, since the pokemon CAN be moved forward, I assumed they reduced the number of EVs they can get, which even at lower levels would likely have an impact on your stat growth.
(I also have no recollection of having a truly bad time with Koga, so I'm guessing there are such subtleties involved here)
This is incorrect, the game's systems are untouched. Any conversion to modern standards will happen when entering Gen VII, not when playing Gen I.
A thought, for anyone having difficulties:
If nothing else about the game was rebalanced for this forward port, unless I'm grievously mis-remembering systems from the past or making a bad assumption about the process, your pokemon are technically less powerful than they would have been on the original carts. Original Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silver/Crystal had a different EV system under the hood where you could effectively get twice as many. To my knowledge, that's some of the reasoning there was never a compatibility between those generations and anything newer. For these re-releases, since the pokemon CAN be moved forward, I assumed they reduced the number of EVs they can get, which even at lower levels would likely have an impact on your stat growth.
(I also have no recollection of having a truly bad time with Koga, so I'm guessing there are such subtleties involved here)
This is incorrect, the game's systems are untouched. Any conversion to modern standards will happen when entering Gen VII, not when playing Gen I.
There will be no battles against wild Pokémon, instead you simply catch them directly using various Poké Balls.
Trainers are customizable with different options.
137 different attack names have been found in the game’s code, confirming battle systems. Some of the moves include Flamethrower and Hyper Beam.
There are an additional 95 “fast” versions of the discovered 137 attacks.
Players will receive a starter Pokémon, though in the beta version this does not happen.
A new game function with the name “Starburst” has been discovered – details surrounding it are unknown.
References to Google Cardboard, a mobile VR peripheral, have been found within the game’s data.
There are three “teams” the player can join: Red Team, Blue Team, or Yellow Team.
Only first generation Pokémon exist in the beta; it’s unclear if this will be the case for the final version of the game.
There are multiple versions of the defense stat, though the reasoning behind this is unclear.
There are seven object categories: Poké Ball, Potion, Revive, Maps, Battle Objects, Food, and Camera. Food and Camera details are unspecified.
The following items are the only ones available in the beta: Poké Ball, Great Ball, Ultra Ball, Master Ball, Potion, Super Potion, Hyper Potion, Max Potion, Max Revive, X Attack, X Defense, X Miracle, Razz Berry, Bluk Berry, Nanab Berry, Wepear Berry, Pinap Berry, and Special Camera.
X Miracle is a new item. Its effects are unknown as of right now.
Pokémon Natures are present, but differ from the main games. Currently, the ones found are: Stoic, Assassin, Guardian, Raider, Protector, Sentry, and Champion. Their roles are currently unknown.
Microtransactions are available.
A day-night cycle is confirmed.
Normal, Legendary, and Mythical Pokémon are all present, and Pokémon are categorized as such.
There is no evidence of Mega Evolution, however it’s unknown if this is only true for the beta.
Supposedly, Pokémon are only allowed two moves during Gym Battles.
Is it just me or status effect attacks are super OP in Yellow?
Sand Attack is totes ridics
And man these old games are grindy as fuck. Leveling is so slow, money is scarce and gym leaders are tough.
gonna spend ages on that grass patch west of Cerulean before even thinking about tackling Misty.
Misty wasn't too bad for me, but I'm having a BIG time struggle with Koga (his Pokemon are level 48-50 and mine are 30 at best). Almost beat his lv. 50 Venomoth but Poisonpowder did me in...
Do you have a psychic pokemon? My Kadabra at roughly level 33 at that time blew up his Venomoth pretty easily.
Mine is level 29, so I'll try that and see how it goes. Brought Haunter instead but forgot that Psychic moves are super effecttive on it... Oops!
Speaking of Ghost things, is there a reason Lick doesn't seem to work on ANYTHING in Yellow (meaning "Does not affect ______)? I feel like Lick works on almost any type in newer games.
Is it just me or status effect attacks are super OP in Yellow?
Sand Attack is totes ridics
And man these old games are grindy as fuck. Leveling is so slow, money is scarce and gym leaders are tough.
gonna spend ages on that grass patch west of Cerulean before even thinking about tackling Misty.
Misty wasn't too bad for me, but I'm having a BIG time struggle with Koga (his Pokemon are level 48-50 and mine are 30 at best). Almost beat his lv. 50 Venomoth but Poisonpowder did me in...
Do you have a psychic pokemon? My Kadabra at roughly level 33 at that time blew up his Venomoth pretty easily.
Mine is level 29, so I'll try that and see how it goes. Brought Haunter instead but forgot that Psychic moves are super effecttive on it... Oops!
Speaking of Ghost things, is there a reason Lick doesn't seem to work on ANYTHING in Yellow (meaning "Does not affect ______)? I feel like Lick works on almost any type in newer games.
Glitches.
They somehow made Psychics immune to ghost type in gen 1.
Is it just me or status effect attacks are super OP in Yellow?
Sand Attack is totes ridics
And man these old games are grindy as fuck. Leveling is so slow, money is scarce and gym leaders are tough.
gonna spend ages on that grass patch west of Cerulean before even thinking about tackling Misty.
Misty wasn't too bad for me, but I'm having a BIG time struggle with Koga (his Pokemon are level 48-50 and mine are 30 at best). Almost beat his lv. 50 Venomoth but Poisonpowder did me in...
Do you have a psychic pokemon? My Kadabra at roughly level 33 at that time blew up his Venomoth pretty easily.
Mine is level 29, so I'll try that and see how it goes. Brought Haunter instead but forgot that Psychic moves are super effecttive on it... Oops!
Speaking of Ghost things, is there a reason Lick doesn't seem to work on ANYTHING in Yellow (meaning "Does not affect ______)? I feel like Lick works on almost any type in newer games.
Glitches.
They somehow made Psychics immune to ghost type in gen 1.
Is it just me or status effect attacks are super OP in Yellow?
Sand Attack is totes ridics
And man these old games are grindy as fuck. Leveling is so slow, money is scarce and gym leaders are tough.
gonna spend ages on that grass patch west of Cerulean before even thinking about tackling Misty.
Misty wasn't too bad for me, but I'm having a BIG time struggle with Koga (his Pokemon are level 48-50 and mine are 30 at best). Almost beat his lv. 50 Venomoth but Poisonpowder did me in...
Do you have a psychic pokemon? My Kadabra at roughly level 33 at that time blew up his Venomoth pretty easily.
Mine is level 29, so I'll try that and see how it goes. Brought Haunter instead but forgot that Psychic moves are super effecttive on it... Oops!
Speaking of Ghost things, is there a reason Lick doesn't seem to work on ANYTHING in Yellow (meaning "Does not affect ______)? I feel like Lick works on almost any type in newer games.
Glitches.
They somehow made Psychics immune to ghost type in gen 1.
But Night Shade still affects them
Fixed damage attacks like Night Shade ignore resistances in gen 1
Is it just me or status effect attacks are super OP in Yellow?
Sand Attack is totes ridics
And man these old games are grindy as fuck. Leveling is so slow, money is scarce and gym leaders are tough.
gonna spend ages on that grass patch west of Cerulean before even thinking about tackling Misty.
Misty wasn't too bad for me, but I'm having a BIG time struggle with Koga (his Pokemon are level 48-50 and mine are 30 at best). Almost beat his lv. 50 Venomoth but Poisonpowder did me in...
Is that the part of the game where you can go to a different city and fight a different gym leader next? I feel like that was a thing, but I haven't played those games in a reaaaly long time.
I don't think so, since Koga is listed as the 5th gym leader on my Trainer Card thing...
Weirdest part - all of the wild Pokes and Route trainers nearby have Pokemon around where mine are (even the Fucshia Gym trainers were no higher than lv. 36), so why would Koga's be so much higher?
If I'm not crazy, you can choose to fight Sabrina first, but she should be roughly as difficult. They chose to make both of them have decently higher level Pokemon, I assume because they gave them some weaker Pokemon to match the show.
It does make things awkward since it sort of divides the first four and the last four gyms starkly in level.
Yeah, the ghosts in first gen occupied a weird place in basically being off brand Psychic types. There were only three ghost type attacks from what I recall, and only one that actually dealt damage normally (Lick). Not to mention the Ghosts were special attackers pretty much, but ghost type attacks were physical. So even if they had some more options there wouldn't be a huge call to use them.
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I thought about buying the virtual console version of Pokemon Blue for about four minutes before I remembered how inhumanly slow everything was prior to Gen V.
As someone currently working through Alpha Sapphire and classic Blue, Gen 6 feels slow to me compared to gens 1 and 5.
That's probably just because of the frame rate ayyyyy
No but seriously, gen 6 is very event and story-heavy compared to the rest of the series. It's probably because you're wading through so much story and narrative compared to previous entries. (especially XY which is like Jesus I may as well be in the anime)
My wish for sun and moon is a criminal organization that I can take seriously.
I miss you team rocket. Your motivations were so simple and pure. Commit crime to acquire profit.
I don't know if I can handle another team flare...
My wish is for another badass protagonist with a badass hoverbike that opens the game by stealing a prototype weapon from the game's antagonist team by joining and then betraying them and then opening the game just as he detonates a bomb in their headquarters while making a badass getaway on his badass hoverbike all badass-like.
...but also with less girl-chan to neuter the story afterwards.
My wish for sun and moon is a criminal organization that I can take seriously.
I miss you team rocket. Your motivations were so simple and pure. Commit crime to acquire profit.
I don't know if I can handle another team flare...
"Would you like to join Team Rocket? We're an organization devoted to using Pokemon for evil!"
I personally kind of liked Team Flare. It came off to me like most of its grunts were spoiled rich kids who thought they were better than normal people and were just in it for fun. Then it turns out their leader is planning to kill everyone in the world to start a new civilization and they're too scared to stop it (as evidenced by the grunts near the end of the Team Flare story arc trying to ignore the pained cries of the Pokemon having their life force drained). Then you have Lysandre himself, who follows through with his plans but is reluctant enough to give the player character a chance to stop him with the push of a button (which would have worked if not for Xerosic's interference). I also thought it was neat when one of the Kalos Elite Four revealed herself to have been an admin of Team Flare.
Team Aqua and Team Magma were much worse in my opinion.
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Team Plasma is one of the reasons Gen V is my favorite.
Best team theme in the series, awesome leaders, interesting goals. Only thing holding them back is that their costumes (mainly the BW1 ones) kind of suck.
I want hard gyms and rival. Better pacing in general, really. I haven't been trying to grind at all, outside of trying to catch pokemon in each area, and I finished elite 4 in Y with my whole team 20 levels higher than the champion.
Personally I don't feel one should have to grind that much. If I'm hitting all the trainers and battling wild Pokemon I feel like that should be enough to close to the gym leaders.
Speaking of harder gyms, I just got the stuffing kicked out of my team by Roxanne's team in the Star Sapphire romhack. My team is ~ level 17-20 right now and it was not prepared for Roxane's stonewall defense.
She had a shuckle open up with stealth rock + sticky web and then proceeded to whittle things to death with infestation. My combusken finally took it down, but then she sent out a carbink that setup double screens and began tearing my team apart with dazzling gleam. I'm not sure what her other 4 pokemon are.
I think a big part of my problem is that the first gym is just a big hump here since it's bringing its A-game and I still have some sub-par moves like ember. Overall the trainer battles have been more intense so far. I didn't expect the twins on the bridge leading to Rostboro to be much of a threat in their double battle. Then they setup a tailwind boosted sunnybeamer
My current team is:
Ralts
Paras
Combusken
Phantump
Zorua
Mew (I brought him in from outside the game to act as an HM slave, and help streamline the pre-fly portions of the game by teleporting me back to town)
Also, the creator of the romhack has announced that plans are in the works to create "Umbra Moon" and "Nova Sun" romhacks of Sun and Moon once they release.
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6vs6 random online matches would be nice.
Hate how a lot of the post game in pokemon seems tailored to 3vs3. Its never really a satisfying match.
Beat Koga - used Lv 30 Kadabra, Lv 27 Dugtrio, Lv 32 Charmeleon and Lv 30 Snorlax to seal the deal! Had Pikachu and Wartortle as just in cases but didn't need them.
My wish for sun and moon is a criminal organization that I can take seriously.
I miss you team rocket. Your motivations were so simple and pure. Commit crime to acquire profit.
I don't know if I can handle another team flare...
Team Rocket was so awesome! Just straight up mafia/yakuza. A secret base underneath a gambling hall, getting their claws into major corporations, just pursuing power and no other agenda like eco-terrorism or anything like that. I kinda find them more believable. They're important in most story events, but they're not the main plot...they're just one part of the world.
I liked Plasma, but I kind of wish the game had gone further with their rhetoric. Ghetsis being a hypocrite kind of distracts from the actual good point the team raised.
Then again, if the game had gone further with that, we'd likely have no more Pokemon games as we know them.
Well, the basic thought ("catching animals and having them battle is kinda messed up if you think about it.") is one that preceded and outlived Black and White, so at the very least it's a resonant one.
At the same time, though, saying "yeah Plasma's right" would be to deny the premise of the whole series.
Well, the basic thought ("catching animals and having them battle is kinda messed up if you think about it.") is one that preceded and outlived Black and White, so at the very least it's a resonant one.
At the same time, though, saying "yeah Plasma's right" would be to deny the premise of the whole series.
Pokemon battles are like Martial art competitions. The actual catching thing is a weird Japanese culture thing related to Beetle fights
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Well, the basic thought ("catching animals and having them battle is kinda messed up if you think about it.") is one that preceded and outlived Black and White, so at the very least it's a resonant one.
At the same time, though, saying "yeah Plasma's right" would be to deny the premise of the whole series.
I recall that in XY they do something like flat out state that wild pokemon tend to be more belligerent and disobedient than pokemon captured with a poke ball, during that one event chain in Lumiose where you see that little shit Minccino that turned out to be a girl's companion that was never actually captured with a ball. Implying poke balls apply some sort of mental conditioning to the pokemon.
Unfortunately just like the bigger question they tried to drive with B/W, they really go absolutely nowhere with it despite how dark the implications are with the whole thing.
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This is incorrect, the game's systems are untouched. Any conversion to modern standards will happen when entering Gen VII, not when playing Gen I.
Male. It also has a decent-ish nature. I'd probably use it on my playthrough team if I didn't like talonflame so much.
I will likely be back in search of friend codes at a later date. ;D
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Mine is level 29, so I'll try that and see how it goes. Brought Haunter instead but forgot that Psychic moves are super effecttive on it... Oops!
Speaking of Ghost things, is there a reason Lick doesn't seem to work on ANYTHING in Yellow (meaning "Does not affect ______)? I feel like Lick works on almost any type in newer games.
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Glitches.
They somehow made Psychics immune to ghost type in gen 1.
But Night Shade still affects them
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Fixed damage attacks like Night Shade ignore resistances in gen 1
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If I'm not crazy, you can choose to fight Sabrina first, but she should be roughly as difficult. They chose to make both of them have decently higher level Pokemon, I assume because they gave them some weaker Pokemon to match the show.
It does make things awkward since it sort of divides the first four and the last four gyms starkly in level.
Yeah paychic was always SUPPOSED to be super effective, they just messed it up in practice. You'd think they'd catch that pretty easily but nope.
In gen 1, Ghosts were worthless against psychics.
First gen was really weird.
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That's probably just because of the frame rate ayyyyy
No but seriously, gen 6 is very event and story-heavy compared to the rest of the series. It's probably because you're wading through so much story and narrative compared to previous entries. (especially XY which is like Jesus I may as well be in the anime)
I miss you team rocket. Your motivations were so simple and pure. Commit crime to acquire profit.
I don't know if I can handle another team flare...
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
My wish is for another badass protagonist with a badass hoverbike that opens the game by stealing a prototype weapon from the game's antagonist team by joining and then betraying them and then opening the game just as he detonates a bomb in their headquarters while making a badass getaway on his badass hoverbike all badass-like.
...but also with less girl-chan to neuter the story afterwards.
This will never happen in a Pokemon again.
"Would you like to join Team Rocket? We're an organization devoted to using Pokemon for evil!"
I personally kind of liked Team Flare. It came off to me like most of its grunts were spoiled rich kids who thought they were better than normal people and were just in it for fun. Then it turns out their leader is planning to kill everyone in the world to start a new civilization and they're too scared to stop it (as evidenced by the grunts near the end of the Team Flare story arc trying to ignore the pained cries of the Pokemon having their life force drained). Then you have Lysandre himself, who follows through with his plans but is reluctant enough to give the player character a chance to stop him with the push of a button (which would have worked if not for Xerosic's interference). I also thought it was neat when one of the Kalos Elite Four revealed herself to have been an admin of Team Flare.
Team Aqua and Team Magma were much worse in my opinion.
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Best team theme in the series, awesome leaders, interesting goals. Only thing holding them back is that their costumes (mainly the BW1 ones) kind of suck.
This happened last time I played HG. Don't know what went wrong.
You gotta put your face back to the grindstone
Yeah that seems to be a problem in HG/SS from what I've seen and read online. Most wild Pokemon seen 10 levels below, and even the Rocket Hideout was.
I think I'll just skip to Y. Don't remember it being an issue there.
She had a shuckle open up with stealth rock + sticky web and then proceeded to whittle things to death with infestation. My combusken finally took it down, but then she sent out a carbink that setup double screens and began tearing my team apart with dazzling gleam. I'm not sure what her other 4 pokemon are.
I think a big part of my problem is that the first gym is just a big hump here since it's bringing its A-game and I still have some sub-par moves like ember. Overall the trainer battles have been more intense so far. I didn't expect the twins on the bridge leading to Rostboro to be much of a threat in their double battle. Then they setup a tailwind boosted sunnybeamer
My current team is:
Ralts
Paras
Combusken
Phantump
Zorua
Mew (I brought him in from outside the game to act as an HM slave, and help streamline the pre-fly portions of the game by teleporting me back to town)
Also, the creator of the romhack has announced that plans are in the works to create "Umbra Moon" and "Nova Sun" romhacks of Sun and Moon once they release.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
Hate how a lot of the post game in pokemon seems tailored to 3vs3. Its never really a satisfying match.
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I predict that there won't be a Dark-gym.
Team Rocket was so awesome! Just straight up mafia/yakuza. A secret base underneath a gambling hall, getting their claws into major corporations, just pursuing power and no other agenda like eco-terrorism or anything like that. I kinda find them more believable. They're important in most story events, but they're not the main plot...they're just one part of the world.
Then again, if the game had gone further with that, we'd likely have no more Pokemon games as we know them.
At the same time, though, saying "yeah Plasma's right" would be to deny the premise of the whole series.
Pokemon battles are like Martial art competitions. The actual catching thing is a weird Japanese culture thing related to Beetle fights
I recall that in XY they do something like flat out state that wild pokemon tend to be more belligerent and disobedient than pokemon captured with a poke ball, during that one event chain in Lumiose where you see that little shit Minccino that turned out to be a girl's companion that was never actually captured with a ball. Implying poke balls apply some sort of mental conditioning to the pokemon.
Unfortunately just like the bigger question they tried to drive with B/W, they really go absolutely nowhere with it despite how dark the implications are with the whole thing.
But then, you know, don't make it ambiguous if you don't want people interpreting it darkly.
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