AegeriTiny wee bacteriumsPlateau of LengRegistered Userregular
edited March 2016
I honestly don't know why the Battlefield/Call of Duty games just don't let you play their SP campaigns as a woman. It's not like they ever do any kind of meaningful characterization of their male protagonists anyway. Especially as Call of Duty lets you play as a woman in multiplayer since Ghosts.
I honestly don't know why the Battlefield/Call of Duty games just don't let you play their SP campaigns as a woman. It's not like they ever do any kind of meaningful characterization of their male protagonists anyway. Especially as Call of Duty lets you play as a woman in multiplayer since Ghosts.
One argument is that it's irrelevant to the game, so why bother. Thing is, it's not irrelevant to me. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
I honestly don't know why the Battlefield/Call of Duty games just don't let you play their SP campaigns as a woman. It's not like they ever do any kind of meaningful characterization of their male protagonists anyway. Especially as Call of Duty lets you play as a woman in multiplayer since Ghosts.
One argument is that it's irrelevant to the game, so why bother. Thing is, it's not irrelevant to me. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
Oh I'm well aware how that argument is bunk and that being able to play as a protagonist that looks or acts like yourself (gender, race and sexuality) is incredibly important to a wide array of people. I personally always like to play as female protagonists if I have the option, but for many women I know being able to play as a woman isn't a nice option it's something that is becoming increasingly expected - unless there is a decent narrative reason to do otherwise.
I was just really thrown by your question because I honestly can't think of a military shooter style game outside of the division that is A) A military shooter and Let's you play as a woman in a single player (or equivalent) mode.
I honestly don't know why the Battlefield/Call of Duty games just don't let you play their SP campaigns as a woman. It's not like they ever do any kind of meaningful characterization of their male protagonists anyway. Especially as Call of Duty lets you play as a woman in multiplayer since Ghosts.
One argument is that it's irrelevant to the game, so why bother. Thing is, it's not irrelevant to me. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
Oh I'm well aware how that argument is bunk and that being able to play as a protagonist that looks or acts like yourself (gender, race and sexuality) is incredibly important to a wide array of people. I personally always like to play as female protagonists if I have the option, but for many women I know being able to play as a woman isn't a nice option it's something that is becoming increasingly expected - unless there is a decent narrative reason to do otherwise.
I was just really thrown by your question because I honestly can't think of a military shooter style game outside of the division that is A) A military shooter and Let's you play as a woman in a single player (or equivalent) mode.
Everyone knows that you can make a game better by not allowing people to choose a female character.
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edited March 2016
For anyone else just starting out with Oceanhorn thanks to that latest Humble Bundle, a quick tip: you can start collecting those Bloodstones you see around the world almost immediately. I had thought I needed some sort of item to pry them loose. Turns out that yes, you do need an item, and that item is your sword.
I remember attacking one early in the game and nothing seemed to happen. Turns out you have to really beat up on it in order to collect it. I discovered this last night a little after completing the first dungeon.
Yeah, I think next time I have $50 to spare (spent it on BDO, woooo!), I'll grab The Division anyway, single-player reservations aside. I'll either muddle through as best I can alone or I'll drag along @destroyah87 and @CorriganX (and whoever else) kicking and screaming to help, like it or not. :razz:
Partially because I want to support them for giving that option to play a female soldier.
I honestly don't know why the Battlefield/Call of Duty games just don't let you play their SP campaigns as a woman. It's not like they ever do any kind of meaningful characterization of their male protagonists anyway. Especially as Call of Duty lets you play as a woman in multiplayer since Ghosts.
One argument is that it's irrelevant to the game, so why bother. Thing is, it's not irrelevant to me. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
Oh I'm well aware how that argument is bunk and that being able to play as a protagonist that looks or acts like yourself (gender, race and sexuality) is incredibly important to a wide array of people. I personally always like to play as female protagonists if I have the option, but for many women I know being able to play as a woman isn't a nice option it's something that is becoming increasingly expected - unless there is a decent narrative reason to do otherwise.
I was just really thrown by your question because I honestly can't think of a military shooter style game outside of the division that is A) A military shooter and Let's you play as a woman in a single player (or equivalent) mode.
Everyone knows that you can make a game better by not allowing people to choose a female character.
I honestly don't know why the Battlefield/Call of Duty games just don't let you play their SP campaigns as a woman. It's not like they ever do any kind of meaningful characterization of their male protagonists anyway. Especially as Call of Duty lets you play as a woman in multiplayer since Ghosts.
One argument is that it's irrelevant to the game, so why bother. Thing is, it's not irrelevant to me. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
Oh I'm well aware how that argument is bunk and that being able to play as a protagonist that looks or acts like yourself (gender, race and sexuality) is incredibly important to a wide array of people. I personally always like to play as female protagonists if I have the option, but for many women I know being able to play as a woman isn't a nice option it's something that is becoming increasingly expected - unless there is a decent narrative reason to do otherwise.
I was just really thrown by your question because I honestly can't think of a military shooter style game outside of the division that is A) A military shooter and Let's you play as a woman in a single player (or equivalent) mode.
Everyone knows that you can make a game better by not allowing people to choose a female character.
Tried dungeon keeper, eyes burn with that old resolution. Need to look up GoG guide for less painful gameplay.
Forgot how hard Galactic Battlegrounds could be without an ally and with the AI on moderate. That sound was the Naboo and the empire doing very naughty things to me.
If you are looking for some dungeon keeper with less eye burning, have a look at dungeons 2. I haven't played it but I watched some of a let's play of it and it was giving me all sorts of dungeon keeper feelings. Only reason I haven't pulled the trigger is because I don't know when I would play it.
Is Dungeons 2 actually a Dungeon Keeper? I remember playing the first and literally going "what the hell is this shit".
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I can confirm that they went away from the Dungeon Tycoon formula and went to something much closer to Dungeon Keeper with a twist. There are still dedicated paths from which the heroes enter your dungeon but now you use those same paths to invade their realm in a mini RTS gameplay (monsters obey your commands instead of being more free willed as they are in the dungeons). It really is a good mix and while it has some flaws it's a way better game than Dungeons or at least the little I witnessed from the demo.
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I could see the voice acting budget/time playing a role in the lack of gender selection. Not only would you have to double the main character, but any reference to he/she, etc by all of the other actors.
I could see the voice acting budget/time playing a role in the lack of gender selection. Not only would you have to double the main character, but any reference to he/she, etc by all of the other actors.
A few games get around this by giving the main character a name or nickname that can be used by either gender and then having all the NPCs use awkward dialogue that never refers to the player character by pronoun.
I could see the voice acting budget/time playing a role in the lack of gender selection. Not only would you have to double the main character, but any reference to he/she, etc by all of the other actors.
A few games get around this by giving the main character a name or nickname that can be used by either gender and then having all the NPCs use awkward dialogue that never refers to the player character by pronoun.
Saint's Row 4 did something unusual, using the singular "they" in the prologue before character creation, which is sounds weird considering the player character is supposedly well-known at that point and obstinately doesn't fall out of the gender binary. But they tried.
I could see the voice acting budget/time playing a role in the lack of gender selection. Not only would you have to double the main character, but any reference to he/she, etc by all of the other actors.
A few games get around this by giving the main character a name or nickname that can be used by either gender and then having all the NPCs use awkward dialogue that never refers to the player character by pronoun.
Wrex: "Shepard's got it right, you know."
Shepard: "Thanks Wrex."
Wrex: "Shepard."
It might sometimes produce some clunky dialogue, but I think that's the easiest and cheapest way to have a player created character in a fully voice acted game.
One that's isn't fully voice acted is way easier, of course. Just put a flag on dialogue pronouns to check a player gender variable.
I could see the voice acting budget/time playing a role in the lack of gender selection. Not only would you have to double the main character, but any reference to he/she, etc by all of the other actors.
A few games get around this by giving the main character a name or nickname that can be used by either gender and then having all the NPCs use awkward dialogue that never refers to the player character by pronoun.
Saint's Row 4 did something unusual, using the singular "they" in the prologue before character creation, which is sounds weird considering the player character is supposedly well-known at that point and obstinately doesn't fall out of the gender binary. But they tried.
Saints Row in general is unusual given how the games sometimes acknowledge that the Boss was a bland white kid in the first game but other times will act like a lady Boss was always a lady even though since 2 or 3 you could walk into a clinic and change yourself into a man, woman, or Nolan North on a whim and how the changing voice cast can mean the Boss changes cultural background game to game if for some reason you're not using the Laura Bailey voice in all games since 2.
I think the characters in the game world are legitimately confused on how to refer to the Boss.
I honestly don't know why the Battlefield/Call of Duty games just don't let you play their SP campaigns as a woman. It's not like they ever do any kind of meaningful characterization of their male protagonists anyway. Especially as Call of Duty lets you play as a woman in multiplayer since Ghosts.
One argument is that it's irrelevant to the game, so why bother. Thing is, it's not irrelevant to me. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
This is why my sister stopped playing shooters on the 360. We're talking about a woman who was the entire reason we got a copy of CoD4: MW that holiday season (I was eyebrow-deep into Oblivion at that point). She played it for about eighteen months and then just got tired of playing.
Man steamgifts is still down for me. I feel like a dick for not being able to mark my gift as received. :sad:
What the hell? Just tried the site in incognito and it works. Must be one of the adblock extensions I'm using I guess
I found that adblock will cause issues sometimes. I solve this by uninstalling adblock, than re-installing. It works every time so far, and I have no idea how it gets corrupted. YouTube is one that happens a lot to me.
I am a little OCD about keeping track of the games I beat, which gives me a lot of data to work from when I get curious, and I did some number crunching.
Of the 341 games I've played in the last decade that have a discernable gender* for the protagonist, 155 of them either had a female protagonist or allowed you the option of one. That's good!
Of course the flip side is that the remaining 186 didn't give you any option besides playing as a guy, so still lots of progress to make there.
* cars, for example, leaving aside Pixar's "Cars", are generally neuter.
Also I am cheating a little because there are a good 10 or so strip mahjong games in the "female protagonist" column and that's not exactly striking a blow for equality.
Yeah, I think next time I have $50 to spare (spent it on BDO, woooo!), I'll grab The Division anyway, single-player reservations aside. I'll either muddle through as best I can alone or I'll drag along @destroyah87 and @CorriganX (and whoever else) kicking and screaming to help, like it or not. :razz:
Partially because I want to support them for giving that option to play a female soldier.
This is where my money has gone recently, and I forbid myself to get any other games for a while. Between getting to play some satisfying coop in The Division, and the death grip BDO has on my soul (so much so I installed it on my Surface Pro so I can AFK trade and AFK fish at 5FPS while I play The Division), my time is completely spoken for!
Oh and unrelated but sort of related, a lot of us in here had a heavy "dreams we never accomplished" conversation a while back. Which was very motivating...a lot of my time has been going toward that after everyone was so supportive to...well, everyone. And thus I have gotten a mark off of my bucket list and finally written and completed my first piano piece. Well...almost completed. I keep changing a few parts, but 95% done! So thanks everyone for that conversation, it fired me up
@Big Classy I still have one spare key to BDO if you are interested! My other one apparently was enough to sell Pixie on it (yay!) so it must be enough to give a taste of what the game is like, i.e. amazing.
I honestly don't know why the Battlefield/Call of Duty games just don't let you play their SP campaigns as a woman. It's not like they ever do any kind of meaningful characterization of their male protagonists anyway. Especially as Call of Duty lets you play as a woman in multiplayer since Ghosts.
One argument is that it's irrelevant to the game, so why bother. Thing is, it's not irrelevant to me. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
I had someone try to classify the addition of female kerbals to KSP as this, waste of resources etc, and preemptively dismissed any arguments to the contrary as purely emotional and thus irrational and unworthy.
So I didn't try to argue with him; I just wrote him off as a goose, and have had nothing to do with him since.
I honestly don't know why the Battlefield/Call of Duty games just don't let you play their SP campaigns as a woman. It's not like they ever do any kind of meaningful characterization of their male protagonists anyway. Especially as Call of Duty lets you play as a woman in multiplayer since Ghosts.
One argument is that it's irrelevant to the game, so why bother. Thing is, it's not irrelevant to me. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
I had someone try to classify the addition of female kerbals to KSP as this, waste of resources etc, and preemptively dismissed any arguments to the contrary as purely emotional and thus irrational and unworthy.
So I didn't try to argue with him; I just wrote him off as a goose, and have had nothing to do with him since.
Looking at something like that from a software engineering perspective, I'm often greatly annoyed by people who label some feature as a waste of resources or time. Software development isn't some rote manufacturing process, it's knowledge based and often a creative endeavor (there wouldn't be an issue to resolve if there was a set in stone approach after all) and some times after solving a particularly pain in the ass problem or just because you feel like crap that day but still need to work on something you have to work on something lighter. For someone working on applications this can be simpler bug fixes, scripts to make other aspects of the job less annoying, or just cleaning up documentation as opposed to coding for a time. For someone working on games, support for different character models could easily fall into this category. It's not always about being the most efficient for the customer.
I honestly don't know why the Battlefield/Call of Duty games just don't let you play their SP campaigns as a woman. It's not like they ever do any kind of meaningful characterization of their male protagonists anyway. Especially as Call of Duty lets you play as a woman in multiplayer since Ghosts.
One argument is that it's irrelevant to the game, so why bother. Thing is, it's not irrelevant to me. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
Oh I'm well aware how that argument is bunk and that being able to play as a protagonist that looks or acts like yourself (gender, race and sexuality) is incredibly important to a wide array of people. I personally always like to play as female protagonists if I have the option, but for many women I know being able to play as a woman isn't a nice option it's something that is becoming increasingly expected - unless there is a decent narrative reason to do otherwise.
I was just really thrown by your question because I honestly can't think of a military shooter style game outside of the division that is A) A military shooter and Let's you play as a woman in a single player (or equivalent) mode.
Everyone knows that you can make a game better by not allowing people to choose a female character.
Women are, after all, too hard to animate.
It's because of jiggly bits.
Speaking of... Ryse has some really mysterious jiggly bits. I'm not sure what they were going for, but either they spent way too much time on figuring out how to make their boobs move around, or not nearly enough.
Seems like it would have been easier to just skip vertical boob window on the goddess. Just give her a shirt. You can make it kinda transparent if you want the scene to be weirdly sexual even though the context doesn't seem appropriate. But you're not pulling off this half exposed boob thing well.
Ryse is pretty dumb and cliche. But the action beats are still working for me. I probably should have gone with the hard setting instead of medium. I've never been the best at keeping combos going in the Arkham games, but there's a focus mode in this that makes you a killing machine. Once you have it upgraded a little bit you can go into focus mode and refill the focus meter at the same time you're chopping through folks, so you can go right back into focus mode. It's also very pretty looking and has some pretty good character animation apart from the floaty rotating boob thing.
Overall enjoying the carnage.
Ah ha. Here's the most blatant segment.
I'll spoiler it, since its a bit NSFW. But also not since I suppose by weird nipple rules they're not actually exposed. I guess roman gods either don't have them or they're very off center.
I honestly don't know why the Battlefield/Call of Duty games just don't let you play their SP campaigns as a woman. It's not like they ever do any kind of meaningful characterization of their male protagonists anyway. Especially as Call of Duty lets you play as a woman in multiplayer since Ghosts.
One argument is that it's irrelevant to the game, so why bother. Thing is, it's not irrelevant to me. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
See, I can understand that argument if the game is entirely in first person and the character never speaks. If you're never going to see or hear the character, you can just imagine it as whatever.
But in any game where you actually get to see your character, be it in cutscenes or gameplay? It kinda stops being irrelevant immediately.
BDO not only gives us jiggling boobs, but jiggling butts and thighs. I kid you not.
Maybe if you're characters got a little more exercise, they too could be like the Amazon in Dragon's Crown. I'm pretty sure there is too much muscle for anything to jiggle.
EDIT: Spoilered picture of Dragon's Crown amazon for being maybe NSFW
It's a shame too because Vanillaware does some fantastic looking games. Odin Sphere is really pretty, for example. But for some reason, ALL restraint went out the window for the art in Dragon's Crown.
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We, as a group, are crazy.
Either as gifters, enablers, or some other permutation, yes, we are all lunatics. Wonderful, wonderful lunatics.
One argument is that it's irrelevant to the game, so why bother. Thing is, it's not irrelevant to me. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
I'm guessing at the length of time No Man's Sky has been on Isy's wishlist
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Oh I'm well aware how that argument is bunk and that being able to play as a protagonist that looks or acts like yourself (gender, race and sexuality) is incredibly important to a wide array of people. I personally always like to play as female protagonists if I have the option, but for many women I know being able to play as a woman isn't a nice option it's something that is becoming increasingly expected - unless there is a decent narrative reason to do otherwise.
I was just really thrown by your question because I honestly can't think of a military shooter style game outside of the division that is A) A military shooter and
oh my god
Everyone knows that you can make a game better by not allowing people to choose a female character.
I remember attacking one early in the game and nothing seemed to happen. Turns out you have to really beat up on it in order to collect it. I discovered this last night a little after completing the first dungeon.
edit: just counted, you have to hit it 20 times.
Partially because I want to support them for giving that option to play a female soldier.
Women are, after all, too hard to animate.
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It's because of jiggly bits.
@Drascin
I can confirm that they went away from the Dungeon Tycoon formula and went to something much closer to Dungeon Keeper with a twist. There are still dedicated paths from which the heroes enter your dungeon but now you use those same paths to invade their realm in a mini RTS gameplay (monsters obey your commands instead of being more free willed as they are in the dungeons). It really is a good mix and while it has some flaws it's a way better game than Dungeons or at least the little I witnessed from the demo.
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Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
A few games get around this by giving the main character a name or nickname that can be used by either gender and then having all the NPCs use awkward dialogue that never refers to the player character by pronoun.
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Saint's Row 4 did something unusual, using the singular "they" in the prologue before character creation, which is sounds weird considering the player character is supposedly well-known at that point and obstinately doesn't fall out of the gender binary. But they tried.
Wrex: "Shepard's got it right, you know."
Shepard: "Thanks Wrex."
Wrex: "Shepard."
It might sometimes produce some clunky dialogue, but I think that's the easiest and cheapest way to have a player created character in a fully voice acted game.
One that's isn't fully voice acted is way easier, of course. Just put a flag on dialogue pronouns to check a player gender variable.
Saints Row in general is unusual given how the games sometimes acknowledge that the Boss was a bland white kid in the first game but other times will act like a lady Boss was always a lady even though since 2 or 3 you could walk into a clinic and change yourself into a man, woman, or Nolan North on a whim and how the changing voice cast can mean the Boss changes cultural background game to game if for some reason you're not using the Laura Bailey voice in all games since 2.
I think the characters in the game world are legitimately confused on how to refer to the Boss.
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This is why my sister stopped playing shooters on the 360. We're talking about a woman who was the entire reason we got a copy of CoD4: MW that holiday season (I was eyebrow-deep into Oblivion at that point). She played it for about eighteen months and then just got tired of playing.
I can has cheezburger, yes?
I found that adblock will cause issues sometimes. I solve this by uninstalling adblock, than re-installing. It works every time so far, and I have no idea how it gets corrupted. YouTube is one that happens a lot to me.
Of the 341 games I've played in the last decade that have a discernable gender* for the protagonist, 155 of them either had a female protagonist or allowed you the option of one. That's good!
Of course the flip side is that the remaining 186 didn't give you any option besides playing as a guy, so still lots of progress to make there.
* cars, for example, leaving aside Pixar's "Cars", are generally neuter.
This is where my money has gone recently, and I forbid myself to get any other games for a while. Between getting to play some satisfying coop in The Division, and the death grip BDO has on my soul (so much so I installed it on my Surface Pro so I can AFK trade and AFK fish at 5FPS while I play The Division), my time is completely spoken for!
Oh and unrelated but sort of related, a lot of us in here had a heavy "dreams we never accomplished" conversation a while back. Which was very motivating...a lot of my time has been going toward that after everyone was so supportive to...well, everyone. And thus I have gotten a mark off of my bucket list and finally written and completed my first piano piece. Well...almost completed. I keep changing a few parts, but 95% done! So thanks everyone for that conversation, it fired me up
@Big Classy I still have one spare key to BDO if you are interested! My other one apparently was enough to sell Pixie on it (yay!) so it must be enough to give a taste of what the game is like, i.e. amazing.
I had someone try to classify the addition of female kerbals to KSP as this, waste of resources etc, and preemptively dismissed any arguments to the contrary as purely emotional and thus irrational and unworthy.
So I didn't try to argue with him; I just wrote him off as a goose, and have had nothing to do with him since.
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Looking at something like that from a software engineering perspective, I'm often greatly annoyed by people who label some feature as a waste of resources or time. Software development isn't some rote manufacturing process, it's knowledge based and often a creative endeavor (there wouldn't be an issue to resolve if there was a set in stone approach after all) and some times after solving a particularly pain in the ass problem or just because you feel like crap that day but still need to work on something you have to work on something lighter. For someone working on applications this can be simpler bug fixes, scripts to make other aspects of the job less annoying, or just cleaning up documentation as opposed to coding for a time. For someone working on games, support for different character models could easily fall into this category. It's not always about being the most efficient for the customer.
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Speaking of... Ryse has some really mysterious jiggly bits. I'm not sure what they were going for, but either they spent way too much time on figuring out how to make their boobs move around, or not nearly enough.
Seems like it would have been easier to just skip vertical boob window on the goddess. Just give her a shirt. You can make it kinda transparent if you want the scene to be weirdly sexual even though the context doesn't seem appropriate. But you're not pulling off this half exposed boob thing well.
Ryse is pretty dumb and cliche. But the action beats are still working for me. I probably should have gone with the hard setting instead of medium. I've never been the best at keeping combos going in the Arkham games, but there's a focus mode in this that makes you a killing machine. Once you have it upgraded a little bit you can go into focus mode and refill the focus meter at the same time you're chopping through folks, so you can go right back into focus mode. It's also very pretty looking and has some pretty good character animation apart from the floaty rotating boob thing.
Overall enjoying the carnage.
Ah ha. Here's the most blatant segment.
I'll spoiler it, since its a bit NSFW. But also not since I suppose by weird nipple rules they're not actually exposed. I guess roman gods either don't have them or they're very off center.
See, I can understand that argument if the game is entirely in first person and the character never speaks. If you're never going to see or hear the character, you can just imagine it as whatever.
But in any game where you actually get to see your character, be it in cutscenes or gameplay? It kinda stops being irrelevant immediately.
Maybe if you're characters got a little more exercise, they too could be like the Amazon in Dragon's Crown. I'm pretty sure there is too much muscle for anything to jiggle.
EDIT: Spoilered picture of Dragon's Crown amazon for being maybe NSFW
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It's a shame too because Vanillaware does some fantastic looking games. Odin Sphere is really pretty, for example. But for some reason, ALL restraint went out the window for the art in Dragon's Crown.
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That may be class specific? I'm playing a Tamer and there is very little bounce going on.
that or i may just be oblivious, of course