They did not make an official announcement for when those reworks are going live, but the changes were available in the internal dev-build of the game that was playable during the community event. That means Grubby and everyone else who attended this event has already had hands-on time with the new changes. Grubby said he expects the Arthas and Anub reworks to be part of the Chromie launch patch, but that is not official.
Also wow, listening to this interview with Khaldor and Dustin Browder and people have 6 month silences? That seems like it requires an extreme level of dedication to flaming.
Edit: Hrm, that'd be... 1 day, 2 days, 4 days, 8 days, 16 days, a month, 2 months, 4 months, 8 months. 8 or 9 silences. Yeesh. I do think eternally doubling silences can be mean for a game designed to be played for years and years as even 3 bad days in 3 years can be almost a week silence, but that many silences in only a year and change is pretty crazy.
It's likely a lot of those people reverted to ping spam once they were silenced, leading to consecutive penalties over and over again. Which Blizz then prevented them from doing altogether. Which is kind of ironic because good players ping plenty, they just don't spam shit just to be obnoxious. At this point I feel like the ping limit is a little too high...
If you meant low, I agree. Pings are way too restricted now. Especially since it's usually best to ping at least twice to make sure people notice in my experience.
Holy shit, I love that Medivh is basically a support without a heal, so they made him a specialist.
I love that Blizz still wants to explore that space.
Agreed. I'm really glad they found a place for that kind of thing and I think it's a great change to abandon the idea that specialists are mostly basically siege characters and just be able to have crazy shit there.
Cause yeah, Medivh is essentially a support character and the kind I've been really interested in seeing.
Now WTB another actual support on top of that cause we need more.
Holy shit, I love that Medivh is basically a support without a heal, so they made him a specialist.
I love that Blizz still wants to explore that space.
Agreed. I'm really glad they found a place for that kind of thing and I think it's a great change to abandon the idea that specialists are mostly basically siege characters and just be able to have crazy shit there.
Cause yeah, Medivh is essentially a support character and the kind I've been really interested in seeing.
Now WTB another actual support on top of that cause we need more.
I really thought Chromie would be a control/heal support and not a control/mage assassin.
Whoever you are, next hero down the line: please be support.
1) I might buy these bundles. The included skins look kinda fun. Not instant buy but definitely worth a lookie-see.
2) Fuck I'm gonna have to grind some Hero League cause I really like the look of those elemental wolf mounts. Fucking Blizzard only giving us like a month to do this too. Ugh.
Maybe we can make a team league thing happen or something.
Yeah... I think I'm rank 31 in Hero League. I can probably get that as low as 20 if I really buckle down and persist through all the nonsense. Gonna take a lot of tenacity and determination. Don't think I'll be able to get much lower than that in only a month's time.
Holy shit, I love that Medivh is basically a support without a heal, so they made him a specialist.
I love that Blizz still wants to explore that space.
Agreed. I'm really glad they found a place for that kind of thing and I think it's a great change to abandon the idea that specialists are mostly basically siege characters and just be able to have crazy shit there.
Cause yeah, Medivh is essentially a support character and the kind I've been really interested in seeing.
Now WTB another actual support on top of that cause we need more.
I really thought Chromie would be a control/heal support and not a control/mage assassin.
Whoever you are, next hero down the line: please be support.
Me too. I thought we were getting support Chromie and mage Milhouse. Although thinking about it they would be hard to tell apart, both being gnomy.
Chromie as an assassin is ... ok? A little tame for my taste honestly. She looks really cool to play and actually looks like a balanced version of Li-Ming (high damage, high range but no mobility and relies on traps for safety). But when you have crazy time dragon I'm expecting some crazy shit in her kit and instead it's all pretty generic. Like, I wanted something like that "leave a copy behind" lvl 20 talent as a baseline part of how she works (obviously balanced numbers wise for that). Something that's really weird and vaguely involves time manipulation.
Which is why I was thinking support (or specialist) cause that's a good place for putting some crazy control shit. But instead she's a long-range nuker.
Should be fun though. The slow field looks pretty sweet though and all her lvl 20 talents are NUTS, which I always love to see.
Yeah... I think I'm rank 31 in Hero League. I can probably get that as low as 20 if I really buckle down and persist through all the nonsense. Gonna take a lot of tenacity and determination. Don't think I'll be able to get much lower than that in only a month's time.
I switched over form QM to HL the instant I saw the announcement to finish out my placement matches.
Literally the first game we take a few good teamfights and their Morales gives up and spends the rest of the game feeding into some towers.
I've never seen this shit in QM. But HL ... man, HL. Sigh.
Holy shit, I love that Medivh is basically a support without a heal, so they made him a specialist.
I love that Blizz still wants to explore that space.
Agreed. I'm really glad they found a place for that kind of thing and I think it's a great change to abandon the idea that specialists are mostly basically siege characters and just be able to have crazy shit there.
Cause yeah, Medivh is essentially a support character and the kind I've been really interested in seeing.
Now WTB another actual support on top of that cause we need more.
I really thought Chromie would be a control/heal support and not a control/mage assassin.
Whoever you are, next hero down the line: please be support.
Me too. I thought we were getting support Chromie and mage Milhouse. Although thinking about it they would be hard to tell apart, both being gnomy.
Chromie as an assassin is ... ok? A little tame for my taste honestly. She looks really cool to play and actually looks like a balanced version of Li-Ming (high damage, high range but no mobility and relies on traps for safety). But when you have crazy time dragon I'm expecting some crazy shit in her kit and instead it's all pretty generic. Like, I wanted something like that "leave a copy behind" lvl 20 talent as a baseline part of how she works (obviously balanced numbers wise for that). Something that's really weird and vaguely involves time manipulation.
Which is why I was thinking support (or specialist) cause that's a good place for putting some crazy control shit. But instead she's a long-range nuker.
Should be fun though. The slow field looks pretty sweet though and all her lvl 20 talents are NUTS, which I always love to see.
It wouldn't even take much to make her a support. Lower W's damage and replace Q with something that undoes damage dealt to the target within a short window, or grants regeneration and undoes this or that percentage of damage done. E and both her ults work just as well for support.
So next hero would be July, if that hero is a support, it'd be basically 2 years for the 3rd support after Rehgar to come out, as he came out July 23rd, 2014. I wonder if they're having problems coming up with new support ideas.
I'm sort of surprised we haven't gotten Prophet Velen as a support. I imagine you could make him a disc priest type that heals/does damage in a similar vein to Uther. Maybe toss out some Power Word Shields and Smite some bad guys. That'd finish off the WoW healer archetypes though (since we have a Monk, Shaman, Druid, and Paladin healer already, yet no priest that my brain can remember outside of Tyrande who isn't your typical priest).
After that I'm not sure where you draw from for further supports. A Zerg Queen or Abathur would've worked as a support, but they both ended up as Specialists.
I suppose you could do someone like Deckard Cain as a support that throws out buffs via his knowledge, but you run into the mess you did with Tassadar not being a healer and messing with matchmaking. There's only so many ways to heal someone and that appears to be the role they've largely slotted a Support as.
So next hero would be July, if that hero is a support, it'd be basically 2 years for the 3rd support after Rehgar to come out, as he came out July 23rd, 2014. I wonder if they're having problems coming up with new support ideas.
They must be cause it's getting ridiculous at this point.
I wonder if they are finding issues blending control and healing or damage and healing or something when designing these guys. Cause you gotta be careful with healers like HOTS has or they can crowd out other roles.
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Didn't Morales come out after Rehgar? I could've sworn Rehgar was in the game before I started playing last year, and Morales was one of the first new heroes I saw.
Didn't Morales come out after Rehgar? I could've sworn Rehgar was in the game before I started playing last year, and Morales was one of the first new heroes I saw.
Nah. Rehgar has been around for awhile. Was in when I started as I remember and that was late 2014/early 2015-ish.
After that we had Monk over the summer and then Medic around October and nothing since then.
So next hero would be July, if that hero is a support, it'd be basically 2 years for the 3rd support after Rehgar to come out, as he came out July 23rd, 2014. I wonder if they're having problems coming up with new support ideas.
Didn't Morales come out after Rehgar? I could've sworn Rehgar was in the game before I started playing last year, and Morales was one of the first new heroes I saw.
Nah. Rehgar has been around for awhile. Was in when I started as I remember and that was late 2014/early 2015-ish.
After that we had Monk over the summer and then Medic around October and nothing since then.
NM I misread the post: "2 years for the 3rd support after Rehgar to come out". Why not just say "7 months since Morales" or "4 supports in 2 years"? =P
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Didn't Morales come out after Rehgar? I could've sworn Rehgar was in the game before I started playing last year, and Morales was one of the first new heroes I saw.
Nah. Rehgar has been around for awhile. Was in when I started as I remember and that was late 2014/early 2015-ish.
After that we had Monk over the summer and then Medic around October and nothing since then.
NM I misread the post: "2 years for the 3rd support after Rehgar to come out". Why not just say "7 months since Morales" or "4 supports in 2 years"? =P
I dunno, I thought the wording on 4 supports in 2 years gets a little weird by having both endpoints be a support release. Seemed like cherrypicking data.
Okay yeah, so DBro has stated that your highest attained pre-season HL rank will count for the rewards, at any point in the pre-season. They have it saved.
Now... the thing is, I'm currently Rank 12. I think I've gotten past Rank 10 before, like Rank 9 or even 8? But I can't actually remember. I'd regret it so much if I only capped out at 12.
Gonna need to find a duo buddy for HL. Interested in helpin' out @milk ducks ? :winky:
I mean, yeah. As long as its confirmed that you get rewarded for your highest attained rank each season, I have no problem with that at all. I'm just concerned about potentially losing rank 1 and any awards that might come along with it when the patch comes.
My highest ever was 12, but that was before the wipe. I'm currently 31. I've got a LONG ways to go to get back to where I was. Probably not gonna happen.
So next hero would be July, if that hero is a support, it'd be basically 2 years for the 3rd support after Rehgar to come out, as he came out July 23rd, 2014. I wonder if they're having problems coming up with new support ideas.
I'll say it again- I think the reason why Assassins are currently overtuned is because they'll use them as the balance metric to balance the other roles by.
I mean, yeah. As long as its confirmed that you get rewarded for your highest attained rank each season, I have no problem with that at all. I'm just concerned about potentially losing rank 1 and any awards that might come along with it when the patch comes.
I know I hit Rank 1 on multiple occassions, but I can't recall if any of these happened in the "pre-season" or if they were Alpha/Beta ranks before pre-season began. I wish there was a way to check.
It may have been done in other mobas but I'd like to see more movemt and line of sight blocking supports. The only thing that immediately springs to mind is kel'thuzad's ice tombs, but basically you could summon pillars that would block enemy movement and maybe auto attacks that would pass through them. Not sure how viable that would actually be but it'd be interesting. So force walls from sc2 adepts that block projectiles. That's probably a better descriptor
It may have been done in other mobas but I'd like to see more movemt and line of sight blocking supports. The only thing that immediately springs to mind is kel'thuzad's ice tombs, but basically you could summon pillars that would block enemy movement and maybe auto attacks that would pass through them. Not sure how viable that would actually be but it'd be interesting. So force walls from sc2 adepts that block projectiles. That's probably a better descriptor
I was actually thinking about it the other day with regards to widowmaker, and I think Mei and Hanzo are the only two I can instantly think I'd want and would have a kit that fit that isn't already taken by someone else. Maybe Reinhardt but he'd be really hard to fit in unless they dramatically changed how he worked.
Lucio would fit pretty well. Sure, his passive is a bit like Brightwing, but they could really emphasize the Amp It Up aspects and make him all about the high mobility and zoominess. Let him toggle his D between Healing and Move Speed, and make his E the Amp It Up ability to boost the effect for 2 seconds.
D.Va is also fairly unique, especially if they allow her to enter/exit her mech, and explode her mech as an ult.
I guess, I ruled him out due to his extreme similarity to brightwing. I guess you could give him a knockback attack on q and give the rest to his auras. I just worry about how powerful movement speed auras are in a moba vs a shooter.
I'd like to see another builder in HotS, so whichever one they decide could be balanced would be interesting if they don't want to go the starcraft route.
edit: Yea I guess I could see D.Va as a bruiser hero. Would be interesting trying to balance her!
Dreadnought's comments on his initial reaction to Medivh:
It's not even the design. I love the innovation. It's largely that he gets 3 versions of heroics slightly altered in one kit and he has very little counterplay options. His scouting mount, can't be damaged while vision is insanely important in heroes. His E makes medivac dropship look sad. The W is 5 seconds and can be AoE after 16, if you all stack you can hit 5 players with it. It just feels he can do everything right now, and if I am facing him I feel like I can't do anything to counter him. On top of this he has a void prison style heroic that drops people 1 by 1, and let's you kill the targets as they drop. All those things together, to me, feels like objectively right now he is immensely better than almost every other hero in the game. Maybe I'm wrong, I hope I'm wrong.
Dreadnought's comments on his initial reaction to Medivh:
It's not even the design. I love the innovation. It's largely that he gets 3 versions of heroics slightly altered in one kit and he has very little counterplay options. His scouting mount, can't be damaged while vision is insanely important in heroes. His E makes medivac dropship look sad. The W is 5 seconds and can be AoE after 16, if you all stack you can hit 5 players with it. It just feels he can do everything right now, and if I am facing him I feel like I can't do anything to counter him. On top of this he has a void prison style heroic that drops people 1 by 1, and let's you kill the targets as they drop. All those things together, to me, feels like objectively right now he is immensely better than almost every other hero in the game. Maybe I'm wrong, I hope I'm wrong.
Keep in mind, there's a ways to go before these Heroes hit live (or even PTR). They are going to change things and adjust the numbers. There's no way Medivh will release with a fucking 5 sec cooldown Divine Shield. There's no way.
I'm also wagering that the AoE talent will probably be nerfed down to like "one extra nearby Hero" or even "also shields Medivh when he shields someone else", right?
Cause I mean, yeah, Dread is right. That shit's crazypants.
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If you meant low, I agree. Pings are way too restricted now. Especially since it's usually best to ping at least twice to make sure people notice in my experience.
Agreed. I'm really glad they found a place for that kind of thing and I think it's a great change to abandon the idea that specialists are mostly basically siege characters and just be able to have crazy shit there.
Cause yeah, Medivh is essentially a support character and the kind I've been really interested in seeing.
Now WTB another actual support on top of that cause we need more.
I really thought Chromie would be a control/heal support and not a control/mage assassin.
Whoever you are, next hero down the line: please be support.
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1) I might buy these bundles. The included skins look kinda fun. Not instant buy but definitely worth a lookie-see.
2) Fuck I'm gonna have to grind some Hero League cause I really like the look of those elemental wolf mounts. Fucking Blizzard only giving us like a month to do this too. Ugh.
Maybe we can make a team league thing happen or something.
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Me too. I thought we were getting support Chromie and mage Milhouse. Although thinking about it they would be hard to tell apart, both being gnomy.
Chromie as an assassin is ... ok? A little tame for my taste honestly. She looks really cool to play and actually looks like a balanced version of Li-Ming (high damage, high range but no mobility and relies on traps for safety). But when you have crazy time dragon I'm expecting some crazy shit in her kit and instead it's all pretty generic. Like, I wanted something like that "leave a copy behind" lvl 20 talent as a baseline part of how she works (obviously balanced numbers wise for that). Something that's really weird and vaguely involves time manipulation.
Which is why I was thinking support (or specialist) cause that's a good place for putting some crazy control shit. But instead she's a long-range nuker.
Should be fun though. The slow field looks pretty sweet though and all her lvl 20 talents are NUTS, which I always love to see.
I switched over form QM to HL the instant I saw the announcement to finish out my placement matches.
Literally the first game we take a few good teamfights and their Morales gives up and spends the rest of the game feeding into some towers.
I've never seen this shit in QM. But HL ... man, HL. Sigh.
It wouldn't even take much to make her a support. Lower W's damage and replace Q with something that undoes damage dealt to the target within a short window, or grants regeneration and undoes this or that percentage of damage done. E and both her ults work just as well for support.
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After that I'm not sure where you draw from for further supports. A Zerg Queen or Abathur would've worked as a support, but they both ended up as Specialists.
I suppose you could do someone like Deckard Cain as a support that throws out buffs via his knowledge, but you run into the mess you did with Tassadar not being a healer and messing with matchmaking. There's only so many ways to heal someone and that appears to be the role they've largely slotted a Support as.
They must be cause it's getting ridiculous at this point.
I wonder if they are finding issues blending control and healing or damage and healing or something when designing these guys. Cause you gotta be careful with healers like HOTS has or they can crowd out other roles.
Or, like, at least give him a viable damage spec. Cause I love shieldy Tassadar but I want some High Templar wrecking shit Tassadar too.
Nah. Rehgar has been around for awhile. Was in when I started as I remember and that was late 2014/early 2015-ish.
After that we had Monk over the summer and then Medic around October and nothing since then.
NM I misread the post: "2 years for the 3rd support after Rehgar to come out". Why not just say "7 months since Morales" or "4 supports in 2 years"? =P
THAT is a great thing to hear.
I dunno, I thought the wording on 4 supports in 2 years gets a little weird by having both endpoints be a support release. Seemed like cherrypicking data.
Now... the thing is, I'm currently Rank 12. I think I've gotten past Rank 10 before, like Rank 9 or even 8? But I can't actually remember. I'd regret it so much if I only capped out at 12.
Gonna need to find a duo buddy for HL. Interested in helpin' out @milk ducks ? :winky:
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I'll say it again- I think the reason why Assassins are currently overtuned is because they'll use them as the balance metric to balance the other roles by.
Yup, it's been confirmed:
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Give me Mei in HotS plzkthx.
Hopefully Blizzard will make a fuss and give out a bunch of free stuff to celebrate the anniversary as well as the grand opening of season 1.
D.Va is also fairly unique, especially if they allow her to enter/exit her mech, and explode her mech as an ult.
I'd like to see another builder in HotS, so whichever one they decide could be balanced would be interesting if they don't want to go the starcraft route.
edit: Yea I guess I could see D.Va as a bruiser hero. Would be interesting trying to balance her!
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I'm also wagering that the AoE talent will probably be nerfed down to like "one extra nearby Hero" or even "also shields Medivh when he shields someone else", right?
Cause I mean, yeah, Dread is right. That shit's crazypants.
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