Vaati does a bunch of great DS1 lore videos as well. His Prepare to Cry series is the best. Especially Solaire's. It's like 90% canon stuff and a little bit of speculation.
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Dang... why? Solaire is nowhere now I saved him and saw him be the sad. Now I'm sad :?
Summon sign is at the top of the stairs from Gwyn.
Yeah... the sign is nowhere in the area. Oh well... Gwyn hits like a tank!! but I got him.... I got him :biggrin:
Did you find him in the secret tunnel after the centipede boss? If not, and if you didn't exhaust his dialogue there, then his sign doesn't appear in the First Fire area.
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Dang... why? Solaire is nowhere now I saved him and saw him be the sad. Now I'm sad :?
Summon sign is at the top of the stairs from Gwyn.
Yeah... the sign is nowhere in the area. Oh well... Gwyn hits like a tank!! but I got him.... I got him :biggrin:
Did you find him in the secret tunnel after the centipede boss? If not, and if you didn't exhaust his dialogue there, then his sign doesn't appear in the First Fire area.
Yes I did. I talked to him multiple times to make sure I got all his dialogue, but I guess my playthrough had a small glitch somewhere. The wiki mentions that even if you do everything correctly with Solaire that he might still not show up
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KalnaurI See Rain . . .Centralia, WARegistered Userregular
Dang... why? Solaire is nowhere now I saved him and saw him be the sad. Now I'm sad :?
Summon sign is at the top of the stairs from Gwyn.
Yeah... the sign is nowhere in the area. Oh well... Gwyn hits like a tank!! but I got him.... I got him :biggrin:
Did you find him in the secret tunnel after the centipede boss? If not, and if you didn't exhaust his dialogue there, then his sign doesn't appear in the First Fire area.
Yes I did. I talked to him multiple times to make sure I got all his dialogue, but I guess my playthrough had a small glitch somewhere. The wiki mentions that even if you do everything correctly with Solaire that he might still not show up
That is indeed sad. I'm glad he was able to join me for the final battle; it felt . . . right.
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Taking Solaire in to fight Gwyn is so damn poetic. When you find out the deep lore and how Solaire and Gwyn and Gwynevere and Gwyndolin and all their different stories fit in, bringing Solaire becomes just so fitting.
Taking Solaire in to fight Gwyn is so damn poetic. When you find out the deep lore and how Solaire and Gwyn and Gwynevere and Gwyndolin and all their different stories fit in, bringing Solaire becomes just so fitting.
That is something i would have loved to experience. I'm kinda tempted to start a new game just to do so.
Taking Solaire in to fight Gwyn is so damn poetic. When you find out the deep lore and how Solaire and Gwyn and Gwynevere and Gwyndolin and all their different stories fit in, bringing Solaire becomes just so fitting.
I never understood the memetic status of Solaire, he says and does very little throughout the game. He only appears about three times and never did anything memorable enough for me to care much about him, or consider him an important side character.
As far as the poetic nature of the fight, or the lore and his relationship to the gods:
He is not the firstborn son of Gwynn. It was a popular theory for a long time, but now known to not be the case. He has no relation to Gwynevere and Gwyndolin. At best, there is some poetics in his quest for his own sun leading them to fight what is essentially the sun god. But in the end, he's just one more fool on an obsessive quest.
Taking Solaire in to fight Gwyn is so damn poetic. When you find out the deep lore and how Solaire and Gwyn and Gwynevere and Gwyndolin and all their different stories fit in, bringing Solaire becomes just so fitting.
I never understood the memetic status of Solaire, he says and does very little throughout the game. He only appears about three times and never did anything memorable enough for me to care much about him, or consider him an important side character.
As far as the poetic nature of the fight, or the lore and his relationship to the gods:
He is not the firstborn son of Gwynn. It was a popular theory for a long time, but now known to not be the case. He has no relation to Gwynevere and Gwyndolin. At best, there is some poetics in his quest for his own sun leading them to fight what is essentially the sun god. But in the end, he's just one more fool on an obsessive quest.
It is mostly because he's one of the few NPCs in the game that is just 100% helpful and happy the entire game. He only has one moment of sadness, and then almost immediately knocks himself out of it and continues on, and eventually DOES complete his goal. He's the first NPC you meet that isn't depressed as hell and telling you everything you're doing is bullshit, you should just sit here on this rock and wait for death.
Solaire just created a bunch of Dark Souls memes. Praise the Sun, Glorious Incandescence, saying Sunbro, etc.
To me Solaire is cool because DS has such an oppressive and isolated world in general, that when you meet a homie that's on the same quest as you in his own world and you can be friends, it's fun.
Taking Solaire in to fight Gwyn is so damn poetic. When you find out the deep lore and how Solaire and Gwyn and Gwynevere and Gwyndolin and all their different stories fit in, bringing Solaire becomes just so fitting.
I never understood the memetic status of Solaire, he says and does very little throughout the game. He only appears about three times and never did anything memorable enough for me to care much about him, or consider him an important side character.
As far as the poetic nature of the fight, or the lore and his relationship to the gods:
He is not the firstborn son of Gwynn. It was a popular theory for a long time, but now known to not be the case. He has no relation to Gwynevere and Gwyndolin. At best, there is some poetics in his quest for his own sun leading them to fight what is essentially the sun god. But in the end, he's just one more fool on an obsessive quest.
It is mostly because he's one of the few NPCs in the game that is just 100% helpful and happy the entire game. He only has one moment of sadness, and then almost immediately knocks himself out of it and continues on, and eventually DOES complete his goal. He's the first NPC you meet that isn't depressed as hell and telling you everything you're doing is bullshit, you should just sit here on this rock and wait for death.
He's upbeat sure, but it seems as a result of some slight insanity. He didn't seem unusually helpful, he gives you one item (a pretty decent one, but something that could have easily been sold by a merchant). You can summon him a couple of times, but that doesn't feel like a part of his character; summoned NPC's are mute. Lautrec can also be summoned a couple of times and that guys an asshole. On the other hand Siegmeyer gives you a couple of items in his quest, is pretty upbeat the whole time, and risks his life to buy you an escape. The pyromancer of the swamp is generally upbeat and gives you a part of himself.
I have nothing against those who do care about him, I just missed out on it. He was the only character I knew about before playing the game, so when we got to him I told my gf "Oh, I've heard of this guy. He's going to be a big deal". And then it never materialized. We barely saw him again and when it came time to save him, it was an act of apathetic intervention rather than one of any real concern for the guy.
Super Best Friends had a pretty great description of him. Went something like
If you read his item descriptions, those sun emblems aren't special symbols or wards or anything. His gear is just normal gear, he painted the emblems on himself, because Solaire is just kind of a huge dork. And then later you're in hell, and you fight your way past a bunch of huge demons and reach this big lake of lava, and he already got there before you.
Solaire is a boss because he's the closest thing to having a friend you get in ds1. He's summonable for some of the most memorable boss fights, helping you through the hard times, and its been confirmed that if you save him, he completes his quest and links the flame in his world.
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KalnaurI See Rain . . .Centralia, WARegistered Userregular
I found both Solaire and Sigmeyer equally jolly and helpful in different areas of the game. They are bright spots in rather dim worlds.
But if we're looking at what happens at the end of each NPC quest, only Solaire is able to do what the player does (with your help). Spoilers, the end of pretty much every other NPC quest is they die or go hollow and you have to kill them.
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I found both Solaire and Sigmeyer equally jolly and helpful in different areas of the game. They are bright spots in rather dim worlds.
But if we're looking at what happens at the end of each NPC quest, only Solaire is able to do what the player does (with your help). Spoilers, the end of pretty much every other NPC quest is they die or go hollow and you have to kill them.
I guess part of the issue for me is the nature of his quest. It's vague during the game, likely ends in his (further) insanity, or peters out. If we take him linking the fire as the end of his quest, not only does it not happen in game, but I don't feel it's a great ending. To me, linking the fire is a scam; he and the player are duped. It's a lot of work to eventually just incinerate yourself and delay the inevitable. It's the feeding of a lot of souls and humanity to extend the power of someone else and perpetuate the undead curse, until the next dupe links the fire. That's the glory he fought for? For me, Solaire is an accomplished and upbeat fool, but a fool all the same.
I found both Solaire and Sigmeyer equally jolly and helpful in different areas of the game. They are bright spots in rather dim worlds.
But if we're looking at what happens at the end of each NPC quest, only Solaire is able to do what the player does (with your help). Spoilers, the end of pretty much every other NPC quest is they die or go hollow and you have to kill them.
I guess part of the issue for me is the nature of his quest. It's vague during the game, likely ends in his (further) insanity, or peters out. If we take him linking the fire as the end of his quest, not only does it not happen in game, but I don't feel it's a great ending. To me, linking the fire is a scam; he and the player are duped. It's a lot of work to eventually just incinerate yourself and delay the inevitable. It's the feeding of a lot of souls and humanity to extend the power of someone else and perpetuate the undead curse, until the next dupe links the fire. That's the glory he fought for? For me, Solaire is an accomplished and upbeat fool, but a fool all the same.
Who are you extending the power of? Gwyn was basically dead long before you entered the boss fight, Gwyndolin is hidden away trying to make things slightly less worse, and every other god has fled from the world. You link the fire to keep the dark from swallowing everything in the same way it did Oolacile. Giving people a few more generations to live their lives.
Well, I get that you don't get Solaire, but I don't think you're gonna convince us he's not fucking awesome to the max. He organically became a huge thing for a billion people.
Well, I get that you don't get Solaire, but I don't think you're gonna convince us he's not fucking awesome to the max. He organically became a huge thing for a billion people.
Agreed, he's well loved! It puzzles me, but is undeniable.
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Solaire is the first unambiguously friendly and helpful person you meet, and it's right after the newbie gauntlet of the first part of the Undead Burg.
Solaire is sincere and jolly, a stalwart ally and friend, in a place filled with things that want to consume your essence for themselves.
Of course people are gonna like him.
Siglinde is great too, because she's the only warrior you meet who is NOT a Hollow. She made it to the Duke's archives in a death world WITHOUT dying. And hey, she's really nice too.
Solaire is sincere and jolly, a stalwart ally and friend, in a place filled with things that want to consume your essence for themselves.
Of course people are gonna like him.
Siglinde is great too, because she's the only warrior you meet who is NOT a Hollow. She made it to the Duke's archives in a death world WITHOUT dying. And hey, she's really nice too.
Um, about that...
You initially find her being carried by a crystal golem. Who Seath and his channelers would send out to capture maidens for use in experiments, like the ones that created the Picassas. Who knows where the golem picked her up at before you came along and freed her?
Solaire is sincere and jolly, a stalwart ally and friend, in a place filled with things that want to consume your essence for themselves.
Of course people are gonna like him.
Siglinde is great too, because she's the only warrior you meet who is NOT a Hollow. She made it to the Duke's archives in a death world WITHOUT dying. And hey, she's really nice too.
Um, about that...
You initially find her being carried by a crystal golem. Who Seath and his channelers would send out to capture maidens for use in experiments, like the ones that created the Picassas. Who knows where the golem picked her up at before you came along and freed her?
Since she hadn't been experimented on and transformed into a hideous mutant, I would assume you just blundered into her soon after her capture.
I want some advice: I haven't played the Dark Souls 2 DLC. I have the game for the XBOX 360 and the pack is $15 this week. However, I could also wait for a Steam sale and get it all there this summer ... or maybe it won't be on sale. What should I do? Buy the inferior but completely playable version's DLC for XBOX or wait on a possible ~$20 Dark Souls 2 in two months?
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I want some advice: I haven't played the Dark Souls 2 DLC. I have the game for the XBOX 360 and the pack is $15 this week. However, I could also wait for a Steam sale and get it all there this summer ... or maybe it won't be on sale. What should I do? Buy the inferior but completely playable version's DLC for XBOX or wait on a possible ~$20 Dark Souls 2 in two months?
If we're talking Scholar of the First Sin edition, last time it went on sale it hit about 20 bucks, which is why I bought it then. I'd personally wait to get the SotFS edition, as it seems to more or less be their definitive edition of the game, integrating more fully the story of the DLC and the main game to create a more solid narrative (or as solid as Dark Souls can be expected to have).
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FROM isn't as evil as I thought (so far). I was so expecting more statues to come alive than the 1st time, especially that hallway leading up to the first bonfire or those stairs up to from the ruin sentinel room.
And it would have been even more evil to have just 1 statue that came alive in NG, not coming alive in NG+.
FROM isn't as evil as I thought (so far). I was so expecting more statues to come alive than the 1st time, especially that hallway leading up to the first bonfire or those stairs up to from the ruin sentinel room.
And it would have been even more evil to have just 1 statue that came alive in NG, not coming alive in NG+.
If you think FROM isn't evil, go check out the throne room while you're there.
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Ah-mazing
Still, that summary video is actually pretty good and very funny.
Yeah... the sign is nowhere in the area. Oh well... Gwyn hits like a tank!! but I got him.... I got him :biggrin:
Did you find him in the secret tunnel after the centipede boss? If not, and if you didn't exhaust his dialogue there, then his sign doesn't appear in the First Fire area.
Yes I did. I talked to him multiple times to make sure I got all his dialogue, but I guess my playthrough had a small glitch somewhere. The wiki mentions that even if you do everything correctly with Solaire that he might still not show up
That is indeed sad. I'm glad he was able to join me for the final battle; it felt . . . right.
That is something i would have loved to experience. I'm kinda tempted to start a new game just to do so.
I never understood the memetic status of Solaire, he says and does very little throughout the game. He only appears about three times and never did anything memorable enough for me to care much about him, or consider him an important side character.
As far as the poetic nature of the fight, or the lore and his relationship to the gods:
To me Solaire is cool because DS has such an oppressive and isolated world in general, that when you meet a homie that's on the same quest as you in his own world and you can be friends, it's fun.
He's upbeat sure, but it seems as a result of some slight insanity. He didn't seem unusually helpful, he gives you one item (a pretty decent one, but something that could have easily been sold by a merchant). You can summon him a couple of times, but that doesn't feel like a part of his character; summoned NPC's are mute. Lautrec can also be summoned a couple of times and that guys an asshole. On the other hand Siegmeyer gives you a couple of items in his quest, is pretty upbeat the whole time, and risks his life to buy you an escape. The pyromancer of the swamp is generally upbeat and gives you a part of himself.
I have nothing against those who do care about him, I just missed out on it. He was the only character I knew about before playing the game, so when we got to him I told my gf "Oh, I've heard of this guy. He's going to be a big deal". And then it never materialized. We barely saw him again and when it came time to save him, it was an act of apathetic intervention rather than one of any real concern for the guy.
Of course people are gonna like him.
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Agreed, he's well loved! It puzzles me, but is undeniable.
It's not surprising people got attached.
Siglinde is great too, because she's the only warrior you meet who is NOT a Hollow. She made it to the Duke's archives in a death world WITHOUT dying. And hey, she's really nice too.
Um, about that...
Since she hadn't been experimented on and transformed into a hideous mutant, I would assume you just blundered into her soon after her capture.
That alone is enough proof for how badass she is.
Yeah another one from Vaati that I'll link when I am not posting on a phone.
Edit: Here you go.
If we're talking Scholar of the First Sin edition, last time it went on sale it hit about 20 bucks, which is why I bought it then. I'd personally wait to get the SotFS edition, as it seems to more or less be their definitive edition of the game, integrating more fully the story of the DLC and the main game to create a more solid narrative (or as solid as Dark Souls can be expected to have).
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SIT IN THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!
I really thought I would just be plowing through everything, but nope. I still gotta take my time and play all cautious like.
And it would have been even more evil to have just 1 statue that came alive in NG, not coming alive in NG+.
If you think FROM isn't evil, go check out the throne room while you're there.