Had some weirdness on the challenging Lincoln tunnel I crashed like 4 times, and I've never crashed before. I'm on the bone, I hope my bone isn't fucking up.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
There are at least three others. Essentially you can work your way through the back of all of the challenge missions except the watergate powerplant and respawn the final boss infinitely. It didn't matter much in Destiny when there was a loot cave because you could only equip one exotic piece of armor and one exotic weapon at a time. So at worst you ended out with people who had a larger selection of exotics but it gave them no real power advantage. Combined with normalized damage in the crucible, even in the iron banner it made the whole thing play more like the single player even when engaged against other players.
Too many of these things have existed for too long in The Division without a really big change being made to fix them and the damage they've done. That fix will piss off a lot of streamers and the 24/7 players who think what they did was totally fine. I don't think Ubi will be willing to do it. Balance is proper fucked for the long term.
As I've said before, the reason people jump at these is because they nerfed the drop rate of phoenix credits far too much. But it's more than that, grinding High End Division Tech is a slog for those patterns, the patterns from the Base never change. Everyone is running around with the same damned weapon.
I might buy it, it would be less DZ funbucks to drop when I get ganked by a party of four. Took them a good 40-50 seconds to kill me with tactical link and other stuff. Couldn't offset their support enough to kill one of them though, for shame. Generally juts let them kill me and keep going but this time I engaged.
But I took comfort in reporting them all for unsporting behavior (it's supposed to lower the chances of getting put back in the same instance as them)
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I forget who I was talking to last week but there's one on the first mission too. IDK.
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Second time through 3 manning Lincoln tunnel (yeah I don't know the leader apparently didn't want someone else) no crashes. I did restart my bone maybe that helped.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
There are at least three others. Essentially you can work your way through the back of all of the challenge missions except the watergate powerplant and respawn the final boss infinitely. It didn't matter much in Destiny when there was a loot cave because you could only equip one exotic piece of armor and one exotic weapon at a time. So at worst you ended out with people who had a larger selection of exotics but it gave them no real power advantage. Combined with normalized damage in the crucible, even in the iron banner it made the whole thing play more like the single player even when engaged against other players.
Too many of these things have existed for too long in The Division without a really big change being made to fix them and the damage they've done. That fix will piss off a lot of streamers and the 24/7 players who think what they did was totally fine. I don't think Ubi will be willing to do it. Balance is proper fucked for the long term.
I imagine the other reason why people are loot caving so hard in this game is because the dark zone is a terribly uneven experience, especially when it comes to ~gasp~ extracting loot. Unless you're really into PK... because that's pretty much all the player conflict in the Dark Zone is.
Abuse respawn system to get a random chance for a HE you may like.
Grind to DZ rank 50 or kill high level mobs in the DZ for a chance to get an HE that you may like.
No surprise many are choosing the former over the later, if they're aware that such a thing can be done, especially given the disparity they inadvertently created.
Hopefully they won't "fix" their Challenge mode by making it Iron or something. Some games have a lowered drop chance on repeated deaths mechanic... not sure if Massive has that kind of functionality in The Division to curb it though.
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Besides the Russian Consolate Exploit, people have apparently got doing multi groups down to a science. I just finished a Lincoln Tunnel Challenge Mode that had somewhere around 16-20 people in it. I jumped into someone else's party and they were organizing one as well. Between the boss farming and people poking holes in the matchmaking I have to wonder what sort of damage control mode Massive is about to go into.
People do loot caves because easy loot is always preferred over "working" for it. And on the bone the DZ is not some gank or be ganked zone, most of the time its people working with each other and randomly killing each other over perceived slights.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
People do loot caves because easy loot is always preferred over "working" for it. And on the bone the DZ is not some gank or be ganked zone, most of the time its people working with each other and randomly killing each other over perceived slights.
I would have agreed with you had I not spent the last hour getting ganked. :P
edit: also, getting into manhunt and camping on a rooftop is like... a thing now.
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People do loot caves because easy loot is always preferred over "working" for it. And on the bone the DZ is not some gank or be ganked zone, most of the time its people working with each other and randomly killing each other over perceived slights.
I would have agreed with you had I not spent the last hour getting ganked. :P
edit: also, getting into manhunt and camping on a rooftop is like... a thing now.
Interestingly people have stacking Dark Zones with multiple groups down now too. They will get 8-12 people all in the same instance, murder everyone then have the guy in the group who actually needs items kill everyone else to reset their rogue status, collect a ton of exp and then they will all re-group and protect him, then do it again.
was in the 30/30 DZ (PC) for the last few hours.. maybe one or two rogues, we were up in DZ06 the whole time and it was smooth sailing. So what is the vector blueprint that I should be buying, is there a difference between the Special vendor and whatever the DZ rank 50 one is (I assume there is a Vector blueprint from DZ rank 50)
People do loot caves because easy loot is always preferred over "working" for it. And on the bone the DZ is not some gank or be ganked zone, most of the time its people working with each other and randomly killing each other over perceived slights.
I would have agreed with you had I not spent the last hour getting ganked. :P
edit: also, getting into manhunt and camping on a rooftop is like... a thing now.
Just leave them be? I dunno I've never felt that inconvenienced by rogues. And if the DZ is hot than I'll just run some challenge modes. I guess I have good enough gear to solo up at the top, so I'm not stuck at the bottom.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
was in the 30/30 DZ (PC) for the last few hours.. maybe one or two rogues, we were up in DZ06 the whole time and it was smooth sailing. So what is the vector blueprint that I should be buying, is there a difference between the Special vendor and whatever the DZ rank 50 one is (I assume there is a Vector blueprint from DZ rank 50)
At DZ50, shouldn't you be picking up the Aug blueprint instead of the Vector?
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People do loot caves because easy loot is always preferred over "working" for it. And on the bone the DZ is not some gank or be ganked zone, most of the time its people working with each other and randomly killing each other over perceived slights.
I would have agreed with you had I not spent the last hour getting ganked. :P
edit: also, getting into manhunt and camping on a rooftop is like... a thing now.
Just leave them be? I dunno I've never felt that inconvenienced by rogues. And if the DZ is hot than I'll just run some challenge modes. I guess I have good enough gear to solo up at the top, so I'm not stuck at the bottom.
They only got me twice... (different groups near as I can tell). however altering my grazing grounds to avoid them meant more time lost doing that and less time gaining xp. North is also less efficient fighting.
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was in the 30/30 DZ (PC) for the last few hours.. maybe one or two rogues, we were up in DZ06 the whole time and it was smooth sailing. So what is the vector blueprint that I should be buying, is there a difference between the Special vendor and whatever the DZ rank 50 one is (I assume there is a Vector blueprint from DZ rank 50)
At DZ50, shouldn't you be picking up the Aug blueprint instead of the Vector?
The issue is the High End Division Tech needed to craft the DZ items is very rare and hard to farm. You may only get 16-20 of them during your entire grind from 1-50. Each craft takes 3 so people tend to use them on their actual gear because at least then you can reroll stats you dont like. On a weapon if you try to make 5 augs and they all have crap mods, you're out of luck until you get lucky with HE Tech drops. It's the only resource that cant be crafted and combined to form a higher tier, so you have to get a number of raw HE division tech out of boxes that are always unlootable.
Edit: If you need to get to 50, simply "going north" isn't an answer because the risk and how slow it is to kill the 31+ elites really doesn't make up for the 10 extra exp they're worth. It would go a long way to fixing this stuff if they were worth more DZ credits, DZ exp and Phoenix Credits the higher level they were.
Had an enjoyable romp with fellow PAers in the DZ. Managed to get yellow gloves, which are nice marksman ones, now I only need a good marksman rifle, and probably an electronics build because all yellows that I find are always Electronics instead of Firearms or Stamina :eh:
Also found a nice item level 31 machine gun that I need to compare with my Pakhan...
was in the 30/30 DZ (PC) for the last few hours.. maybe one or two rogues, we were up in DZ06 the whole time and it was smooth sailing. So what is the vector blueprint that I should be buying, is there a difference between the Special vendor and whatever the DZ rank 50 one is (I assume there is a Vector blueprint from DZ rank 50)
At DZ50, shouldn't you be picking up the Aug blueprint instead of the Vector?
The issue is the High End Division Tech needed to craft the DZ items is very rare and hard to farm. You may only get 16-20 of them during your entire grind from 1-50. Each craft takes 3 so people tend to use them on their actual gear because at least then you can reroll stats you dont like. On a weapon if you try to make 5 augs and they all have crap mods, you're out of luck until you get lucky with HE Tech drops. It's the only resource that cant be crafted and combined to form a higher tier, so you have to get a number of raw HE division tech out of boxes that are always unlootable.
Edit: If you need to get to 50, simply "going north" isn't an answer because the risk and how slow it is to kill the 31+ elites really doesn't make up for the 10 extra exp they're worth. It would go a long way to fixing this stuff if they were worth more DZ credits, DZ exp and Phoenix Credits the higher level they were.
This is actually grazing the answer to the actual question that was asked:
The Aug blueprint you buy at DZ50 will need HE-Division Tech to craft. The Vector blueprint you get from the Phoenix Credit dude in the BoO won't. While the Aug has better firearms scaling over the Vector, you're more likely to get the best Vector you can craft simply because you can farm the everliving piss out of the mats you need (and craft the bits you're missing)...since the Aug needs HE Div-Tech, you're going to be somewhat limited in the number of re-crafts you can make of the thing.
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was in the 30/30 DZ (PC) for the last few hours.. maybe one or two rogues, we were up in DZ06 the whole time and it was smooth sailing. So what is the vector blueprint that I should be buying, is there a difference between the Special vendor and whatever the DZ rank 50 one is (I assume there is a Vector blueprint from DZ rank 50)
At DZ50, shouldn't you be picking up the Aug blueprint instead of the Vector?
I have no idea , still just DZ 35 atm so I have a bit to go.
was in the 30/30 DZ (PC) for the last few hours.. maybe one or two rogues, we were up in DZ06 the whole time and it was smooth sailing. So what is the vector blueprint that I should be buying, is there a difference between the Special vendor and whatever the DZ rank 50 one is (I assume there is a Vector blueprint from DZ rank 50)
At DZ50, shouldn't you be picking up the Aug blueprint instead of the Vector?
The issue is the High End Division Tech needed to craft the DZ items is very rare and hard to farm. You may only get 16-20 of them during your entire grind from 1-50. Each craft takes 3 so people tend to use them on their actual gear because at least then you can reroll stats you dont like. On a weapon if you try to make 5 augs and they all have crap mods, you're out of luck until you get lucky with HE Tech drops. It's the only resource that cant be crafted and combined to form a higher tier, so you have to get a number of raw HE division tech out of boxes that are always unlootable.
Edit: If you need to get to 50, simply "going north" isn't an answer because the risk and how slow it is to kill the 31+ elites really doesn't make up for the 10 extra exp they're worth. It would go a long way to fixing this stuff if they were worth more DZ credits, DZ exp and Phoenix Credits the higher level they were.
This is actually grazing the answer to the actual question that was asked:
The Aug blueprint you buy at DZ50 will need HE-Division Tech to craft. The Vector blueprint you get from the Phoenix Credit dude in the BoO won't. While the Aug has better firearms scaling over the Vector, you're more likely to get the best Vector you can craft simply because you can farm the everliving piss out of the mats you need (and craft the bits you're missing)...since the Aug needs HE Div-Tech, you're going to be somewhat limited in the number of re-crafts you can make of the thing.
The vector is the best smg you can get immediately after hitting 30. The MP5 and Aug are better once you meet certain conditions, but the vector is easier to get a good roll and is available much sooner which is why it's so prevalent.
Really is unfortunate. Challenge missions really were all people who couldn't stand the Dark Zone had going on. Personally I was using matchmaking to find one or two drop ins to complete my group when friends weren't all available. I guess fuck that now too.
Some people were out of rewards in the first week and people shamed them for going through the game too fast. A lot of folks who didnt hurry at all are out of meaningful content in the third week.
I might buy it, it would be less DZ funbucks to drop when I get ganked by a party of four. Took them a good 40-50 seconds to kill me with tactical link and other stuff. Couldn't offset their support enough to kill one of them though, for shame. Generally juts let them kill me and keep going but this time I engaged.
But I took comfort in reporting them all for unsporting behavior (it's supposed to lower the chances of getting put back in the same instance as them)
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I forget who I was talking to last week but there's one on the first mission too. IDK.
You reported them for pvp'ing you in the pvp zone?
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What's so good about this LMG? Thre's only 45 bullets.
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There are at least three others. Essentially you can work your way through the back of all of the challenge missions except the watergate powerplant and respawn the final boss infinitely. It didn't matter much in Destiny when there was a loot cave because you could only equip one exotic piece of armor and one exotic weapon at a time. So at worst you ended out with people who had a larger selection of exotics but it gave them no real power advantage. Combined with normalized damage in the crucible, even in the iron banner it made the whole thing play more like the single player even when engaged against other players.
Too many of these things have existed for too long in The Division without a really big change being made to fix them and the damage they've done. That fix will piss off a lot of streamers and the 24/7 players who think what they did was totally fine. I don't think Ubi will be willing to do it. Balance is proper fucked for the long term.
You can do the same thing with the M60 tho, which has a much bigger clip and I think better damage.
Not enough dakkas though!
I might buy it, it would be less DZ funbucks to drop when I get ganked by a party of four. Took them a good 40-50 seconds to kill me with tactical link and other stuff. Couldn't offset their support enough to kill one of them though, for shame. Generally juts let them kill me and keep going but this time I engaged.
But I took comfort in reporting them all for unsporting behavior (it's supposed to lower the chances of getting put back in the same instance as them)
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I forget who I was talking to last week but there's one on the first mission too. IDK.
I love my M60, but there is no way you can get it to handle like that, even with the 40% stability talent!
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I imagine the other reason why people are loot caving so hard in this game is because the dark zone is a terribly uneven experience, especially when it comes to ~gasp~ extracting loot. Unless you're really into PK... because that's pretty much all the player conflict in the Dark Zone is.
Abuse respawn system to get a random chance for a HE you may like.
Grind to DZ rank 50 or kill high level mobs in the DZ for a chance to get an HE that you may like.
No surprise many are choosing the former over the later, if they're aware that such a thing can be done, especially given the disparity they inadvertently created.
Hopefully they won't "fix" their Challenge mode by making it Iron or something. Some games have a lowered drop chance on repeated deaths mechanic... not sure if Massive has that kind of functionality in The Division to curb it though.
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I would have agreed with you had I not spent the last hour getting ganked. :P
edit: also, getting into manhunt and camping on a rooftop is like... a thing now.
Interestingly people have stacking Dark Zones with multiple groups down now too. They will get 8-12 people all in the same instance, murder everyone then have the guy in the group who actually needs items kill everyone else to reset their rogue status, collect a ton of exp and then they will all re-group and protect him, then do it again.
Just leave them be? I dunno I've never felt that inconvenienced by rogues. And if the DZ is hot than I'll just run some challenge modes. I guess I have good enough gear to solo up at the top, so I'm not stuck at the bottom.
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At DZ50, shouldn't you be picking up the Aug blueprint instead of the Vector?
I managed to get some screen shots which I'll post later.
I am pretty sure there were more than 8 people in there.
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They only got me twice... (different groups near as I can tell). however altering my grazing grounds to avoid them meant more time lost doing that and less time gaining xp. North is also less efficient fighting.
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The issue is the High End Division Tech needed to craft the DZ items is very rare and hard to farm. You may only get 16-20 of them during your entire grind from 1-50. Each craft takes 3 so people tend to use them on their actual gear because at least then you can reroll stats you dont like. On a weapon if you try to make 5 augs and they all have crap mods, you're out of luck until you get lucky with HE Tech drops. It's the only resource that cant be crafted and combined to form a higher tier, so you have to get a number of raw HE division tech out of boxes that are always unlootable.
Edit: If you need to get to 50, simply "going north" isn't an answer because the risk and how slow it is to kill the 31+ elites really doesn't make up for the 10 extra exp they're worth. It would go a long way to fixing this stuff if they were worth more DZ credits, DZ exp and Phoenix Credits the higher level they were.
Yep, people have it down pat now. I joined a challenge mode and there were between 16-20 people in it at a time, no exaggeration.
Also found a nice item level 31 machine gun that I need to compare with my Pakhan...
This is actually grazing the answer to the actual question that was asked:
The Aug blueprint you buy at DZ50 will need HE-Division Tech to craft. The Vector blueprint you get from the Phoenix Credit dude in the BoO won't. While the Aug has better firearms scaling over the Vector, you're more likely to get the best Vector you can craft simply because you can farm the everliving piss out of the mats you need (and craft the bits you're missing)...since the Aug needs HE Div-Tech, you're going to be somewhat limited in the number of re-crafts you can make of the thing.
I have no idea , still just DZ 35 atm so I have a bit to go.
But I am sure I counted at least 12 different people in there.
It was nuts.
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The vector is the best smg you can get immediately after hitting 30. The MP5 and Aug are better once you meet certain conditions, but the vector is easier to get a good roll and is available much sooner which is why it's so prevalent.
DZ level doesn't correspond with skill or gear, he has the potential for that, but not guaranteed.
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Except when it does. Like in the situation that I am talking about.
It's crazy. Its a full on raid!!!
Okay challenge completed in 5 minutes I got all the rewards.
Some people were out of rewards in the first week and people shamed them for going through the game too fast. A lot of folks who didnt hurry at all are out of meaningful content in the third week.
Do you even need to when you have 200 rounds and the auto-refill talent on it? I've let 600 rounds go at a time w/ that thing, it's nasty...
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You reported them for pvp'ing you in the pvp zone?
The ones in DZ06 are item level 31, the rest are level 30.