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The Republican Primary - please define grand, and what kind of party?

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    I don't want to know anything about the Kardashian-Jenner clan. The media frequently attempts to force me to ingest knowledge about them, but I remain only tertiarily aware of their antics. Their opinions are even more meaningless to me than their desperate attention-seeking ploys.

    They literally occupy the same space in my mind as the cast of Jersey Shore, with all the accompanying merit that indicates.
    And yet the first six words of your post are their family motto

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  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Ok I got a chuckle out of this


    Get 'em up against THE WALL (that mexico will pay for)


    I watched that movie so many times as an edgy teenager.

    eugh a youtube comment:

    "Reminds me of social justice warriors and thought police from 1984"

    yeah i remember those times social justice warriors wore facist uniforms and raped women, and demanded people be put up against the wall and shot, oh wait

    the cognitive dissonance

    Yea Bowie, Pink Floyd and George Orwell were totally against those lefties and social justice warriors

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    I don't want to know anything about the Kardashian-Jenner clan. The media frequently attempts to force me to ingest knowledge about them, but I remain only tertiarily aware of their antics. Their opinions are even more meaningless to me than their desperate attention-seeking ploys.

    They literally occupy the same space in my mind as the cast of Jersey Shore, with all the accompanying merit that indicates.

    Jenner seems damn commited to the idea of being a leading figure in the community, and we're at a cultural junction point of sorts
    , so this is going to probably continue to be a thing.

    How?

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    I don't want to know anything about the Kardashian-Jenner clan. The media frequently attempts to force me to ingest knowledge about them, but I remain only tertiarily aware of their antics. Their opinions are even more meaningless to me than their desperate attention-seeking ploys.

    They literally occupy the same space in my mind as the cast of Jersey Shore, with all the accompanying merit that indicates.

    Jenner seems damn commited to the idea of being a leading figure in the community, and we're at a cultural junction point of sorts, so this is going to probably continue to be a thing.

    She's just a media whore whose 15 minutes are almost up. Sorry to be blunt, but I don't see her as a significant problem for anyone but people unfortunate enough to be driving on the same highway as her.

  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    shryke wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    I don't want to know anything about the Kardashian-Jenner clan. The media frequently attempts to force me to ingest knowledge about them, but I remain only tertiarily aware of their antics. Their opinions are even more meaningless to me than their desperate attention-seeking ploys.

    They literally occupy the same space in my mind as the cast of Jersey Shore, with all the accompanying merit that indicates.

    Jenner seems damn commited to the idea of being a leading figure in the community, and we're at a cultural junction point of sorts
    , so this is going to probably continue to be a thing.

    How?

    I'd argue that the fact she basically has a show about her life as a transwoman and says things like she could be Ted Cruz's trans-advisor would be "commited to the idea of being a leading figure in the community"

    As for the junction point, weird phrasing on my part: We're at a point in time where the transgender community is becoming more visible to the mainstream and is becoming increasingly targeted by American conservatives as a threat to the social order in the way they tried to portray the gay and lesbian community for years.

    Therefore, Caitlyn Jenner saying really crap things and it spreading through the media is probably going to continue to be a thing

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Hopefully she goes to prison for manslaughter that should resolve things pretty neatly.

    But convicting a celebrity of a crime, in California, so, probably you're stuck with her.

  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    I would put money on the fact that, even as Bruce, she never really had to deal with some of the shit conservatives are just known for. Bruce Jenner was a famous, white, man with a not insignificant amount of money. Years of a reality TV bubble and a renewed interest in fawning over her have just dialed that up to a level we'll have to deal with so long as cable TV needs shitty, cheap programming to fill the endless void in our lives.

    So...forever.

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  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    maybe shes also just really dumb, like she was good at running fast, thats it

  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    At any rate, Trump said to FOX News about an hour ago that he sees protesters getting violent all the time and its only when his supporters swing back that he and they (the supporters) get blamed.

    All. The. Time.

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  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    At any rate, Trump said to FOX News about an hour ago that he sees protesters getting violent all the time and its only when his supporters swing back that he and they (the supporters) get blamed.

    All. The. Time.

    If only we had some sort of recording device at these events to support trumps claim, ah well, just have to take his word for it

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular

    Pretty great Girl Hitler cosplay tbh

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    By my understanding, not even the rough parts of Chicago. The parts with a bunch of liberal college kids. :P

    UIC is basically across the highway from the newly expansive CBD. Google's new headquarters are just a few blocks Northwest.

  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    maybe shes also just really dumb, like she was good at running fast, thats it

    Well, sure. That's always pretty likely when people say something so clearly wrong. Except for the grain in the pyramids. That's real.
    Bornstein jumps in and points out that Republican officials were directly involved in promoting the anti-HERO messages. “Now, he may have been a Republican. I don’t know, it might have been a Democrat,” Jenner counters, before being shouted down by a chorus of “No!”. But she persists, “It just so happens he happened to be a Republican. I wish he was a damned Democrat. It would have made my argument much easier.”

    As Jenner keeps denying that Republicans have anything against transgender people, lauding their economic positions, the bus full of women all gang up on Jenner to call out her faulty perspectives. Their slack-jawed looks of shock and horror in the face of Jenner’s denials communicate to the audience just how misguided — if not delusional — she is in her blind allegiance to conservatives.

    But that reads more like somebody who is ignorant, and likely willfully so, to the realities of the lives of others. Jenner is over sixty and started the final stages of the process only a few years ago or so. Until then, that's a whole lot of life lived inside the rich, white, male cloak.

    What I'm saying is that it can be both, but mere stupidity doesn't do enough to explain it away.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    At any rate, Trump said to FOX News about an hour ago that he sees protesters getting violent all the time and its only when his supporters swing back that he and they (the supporters) get blamed.

    All. The. Time.

    If only we had some sort of recording device at these events to support trumps claim, ah well, just have to take his word for it

    The GOP has long had a problem understanding how recorded media works.

  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular

    don't uh


    don't go to the comments section.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular

    don't uh


    don't go to the comments section.

    Related advice: remember to breathe, and eat food to continue living.

  • Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    well i certainly picked the right night to play Civ and ignore everything else.... only just catching up on, have read page 1 of 3 of this new thread. think page 2 and onwards can wait till i've had some sleep. i will say though, that will i'm not surprised by tonight's events i am dismayed and frightened by them. i can only think that this is just the beginning of the escalation. we've already seen violence at Trump rallies, is it really so surprising that we are seeing a push back? in the last thread it was asked what the odds are of someone being killed at a Trump rally and i replied with quotes from a Trump supporter suggesting that such acts may be necessary. we aren't even at the end of the primary process and already this election is moving beyond boiling point. this should be a wake up call to every single American, Republican or Democrat. your country should be better than this, it can be better than this, and i want to believe that it is better than this.

  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    Hahaha, I just realized that people will be voting for that poll in all sorts of ways. In what kind of party the Republicans are, and then nones voting as if they're picking candidates.

    Ooops! Poll failure.

    I voted none as the kind of party the Republicans are going to be

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  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    I know I roll my eyes at the Trump=Hitler stuff but sending people to shut down opponents rallies is textbook Nazi tactics.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    I voted none because given that list of names my brain wouldn't allow me to click any dot other than "none of the above" regardless of the question or the general meaninglessness of any internet poll.

  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Prohass wrote: »
    At any rate, Trump said to FOX News about an hour ago that he sees protesters getting violent all the time and its only when his supporters swing back that he and they (the supporters) get blamed.

    All. The. Time.

    If only we had some sort of recording device at these events to support trumps claim, ah well, just have to take his word for it

    The GOP has long had a problem understanding how recorded media works.

    they continue to act like there is no such thing because

    1) nobody ever fucking calls them on it to their face like they should

    2) it doesn't matter to any of their constituents anyway--you could show trump saying one thing and him saying exactly the opposite to one of his fans and it would not change their opinion of him in the least

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  • Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular

    apparently there is already apologists/deniers/damage control* for this one. unsurprisingly they're full or crap.



    people might still try to call foul on saying that Trump is a Nazi. but at this point** you cannot deny that some of his followers are literally Nazis.

    *however you want to phrase/classify it.
    **even if you ignored prior evidence.

  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    That's one of those pictures that makes me really grateful I was not there

    Cuz I'm pretty sure if someone started flashing a nazi salute near me I would punch them

    And then I'd be a guy who punched a grandma and that would be bad

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    On some level I can't comprehend that neo-nazis are a thing that exists.

    Like, nazis. How could anyone want to be a nazi? Even the actual nazis tried to pretend they were not in fact nazis after the war.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    On some level I can't comprehend that neo-nazis are a thing that exists.

    Like, nazis. How could anyone want to be a nazi? Even the actual nazis tried to pretend they were not in fact nazis after the war.

    http://youtu.be/JEle_DLDg9Y

  • Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    On some level I can't comprehend that neo-nazis are a thing that exists.

    Like, nazis. How could anyone want to be a nazi? Even the actual nazis tried to pretend they were not in fact nazis after the war.

    i imagine it was an insidious, underground type thing until someone was bold/stupid enough to declare it publicly and wasn't smacked down for it. once that happened others started being more overt and it became an actual movement.

    of course there's also the fact that the real Nazis hid cause otherwise they faced being tried for war crimes. there was a good reason for them to try and disappear. Neo-Nazis had none of that hanging over them.

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    On some level I can't comprehend that neo-nazis are a thing that exists.

    Like, nazis. How could anyone want to be a nazi? Even the actual nazis tried to pretend they were not in fact nazis after the war.

    Only because they lost the war and were being hunted down to be tried as war criminals.

    Or so probably goes the thought process of a Neo-Nazi, along with subscribing to the belief of racial superiority as a way of compensating for their feelings of inadequacy and powerlessness as a white male in a time of economic exploitation of the so-called middle class. Better to subscribe to a delusional philosophy that tells you you're special and that your not being successful is a nebulous Other's fault than to acknowledge legitimate flaws in the system of government and economy of the country that you were raised to believe is The Best.

  • Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    Former Breitbart Spokesman Says Outright: They’re Lying
    Kurt Bardella resigned today as official spokesman for Breitbart “News,” in protest over the way Breitbart’s editors were undercutting their own reporter Michelle Fields by suggesting her story of being assaulted by Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski was not true.

    Tonight Bardella told CNN’s Don Lemon that the right wing site is not being honest about the story because they’re heavily invested in promoting Donald Trump — a bias that’s clearly evident to anyone who reads their non-stop sycophantic coverage of Trump’s campaign.

    Lemon asked Bardella directly if Breitbart was “lying,” and Bardella responded simply, “Yes.”

    Don Lemon was clearly taken aback by such an honest, direct statement. And Bardella wasn’t finished; he went on to say Donald Trump is a “destructive force in the political and public rhetoric,” and makes him “embarrassed to say I’m a Republican.”

    a quote from the video that isn't in the article "Donald Trump makes me embarrassed to say I'm a Republican". when someone steps down from Breitbart because of a Republican nominees actions, its serious. when that same person still clings to the party, even through embarrassment, its just sad.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Does anyone think Trump supporters might plan some kind of retaliatory protest at other campaign events? I don't see why not.

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  • Captain MarcusCaptain Marcus now arrives the hour of actionRegistered User regular
    edited March 2016
    I'm rather disappointed in Trump for cancelling the speech but I get that it was the responsible thing to do considering the circumstances. The "protestors" had driven in from all around in order to disrupt the event like the Freikorps breaking up a Communist meeting, and given the tensions between angry people who'd driven 5 hours to watch a politician give a speech and angry people who'd driven 5 hours to end that speech rescheduling the event was the mature thing to do.

    I must admit I'm growing increasingly worried about how the definition of protesting has changed from "stand outside the building with signs and shout slogans" to "sneak in and try to legally cause as much havoc as possible". Yeah yeah "Trump is evil and a bigot". That doesn't give you any right to restrict his freedom of speech. Like if the neo-Nazis barge into a Hillary event and started screaming and flipping off attendees, they'll just point to BLM and say "they did it first". And you know what? They'd have a point*. That's what protesting is nowadays. "How dare you equate BLM with those evil fascists" How dare you appoint yourself political commissar? Condoning unethical behavior when it's your side and condemning it when the other side does it is insanity.


    *just to be clear, I'd be just as angry if they did that. I don't support disrupting political meetings of the opposite party; I think it sets a very bad precedent. I have no desire to regress to the machine politics days where candidates hired whole bars to go out and break up meetings across town.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    Does anyone think Trump supporters might plan some kind of retaliatory protest at other campaign events? I don't see why not.

    Honestly, I am now concerned that there is a very real risk of an overreaction from the extreme fringes of Trump's support. "Well, if they're gonna show up to all our rallies and screw with us, then we're gonna do the same thing to them!" Like, what's to stop some crazy from bringing a gun to a rally somewhere? The chances of that happening are probably small, but they're high enough to be worrying.

    The only thing making me take a step back is the fact that we've had a black President for 8 years, and while there have been plenty of real threats and dangers, somehow we made it through two elections and all those years without having a large scale incident like that.

  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    I'm rather disappointed in Trump for cancelling the speech but I get that it was the responsible thing to do considering the circumstances. The "protestors" had driven in from all around in order to disrupt the event like the Freikorps breaking up a Communist meeting, and given the tensions between angry people who'd driven 5 hours to watch a politician give a speech and angry people who'd driven 5 hours to end that speech rescheduling the event was the mature thing to do.

    I must admit I'm growing increasingly worried about how the definition of protesting has changed from "stand outside the building with signs and shout slogans" to "sneak in and try to legally cause as much havoc as possible". Yeah yeah "Trump is evil and a bigot". That doesn't give you any right to restrict his freedom of speech. Like if the neo-Nazis barge into a Hillary event and started screaming and flipping off attendees, they'll just point to BLM and say "they did it first". And you know what? They'd have a point*. That's what protesting is nowadays. "How dare you equate BLM with those evil fascists" How dare you appoint yourself political commissar? Condoning unethical behavior when it's your side and condemning it when the other side does it is insanity.


    *just to be clear, I'd be just as angry if they did that. I don't support disrupting political meetings of the opposite party; I think it sets a very bad precedent. I have no desire to regress to the machine politics days where candidates hired whole bars to go out and break up meetings across town.

    It's new territory. Activists have for a while been a staple of campaigns, but they're a sideshow. They yell, they get escorted out. Trump escalated. Along with the escort there are the "Trump! Trump!" chants, the encouraged aggression, and increasingly making the protesters and the act of removing them a part of the show, which made for some publicity, and that brought more protesters. It was effective theater. From knowing a few protesty types, they feel some kind of vague kinship, and at some point the collective narrative of what Trump rallies are gave rise to a new plan, that I'm sure is gonna be copied. But the next Trump supporters they encounter are gonna be people who saw that on the news, and possibly be looking for it and bad shit will happen.

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    This was basically hitting a hornets nest with a stick to prove there are hornets inside.

  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Elki wrote: »
    Does anyone think Trump supporters might plan some kind of retaliatory protest at other campaign events? I don't see why not.

    Honestly, I am now concerned that there is a very real risk of an overreaction from the extreme fringes of Trump's support. "Well, if they're gonna show up to all our rallies and screw with us, then we're gonna do the same thing to them!" Like, what's to stop some crazy from bringing a gun to a rally somewhere? The chances of that happening are probably small, but they're high enough to be worrying.

    The only thing making me take a step back is the fact that we've had a black President for 8 years, and while there have been plenty of real threats and dangers, somehow we made it through two elections and all those years without having a large scale incident like that.

    I've been thinking about guns all day, but I didn't want to mention it yet - I'll just hope nothing happens.

    The worry for me isn't the person who plans something, those are rare. But the person who brings something with them, gets into a heated interaction, and makes a poor decision.

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  • IskraIskra Registered User regular
    I'm rather disappointed in Trump for cancelling the speech but I get that it was the responsible thing to do considering the circumstances. The "protestors" had driven in from all around in order to disrupt the event like the Freikorps breaking up a Communist meeting, and given the tensions between angry people who'd driven 5 hours to watch a politician give a speech and angry people who'd driven 5 hours to end that speech rescheduling the event was the mature thing to do.

    I must admit I'm growing increasingly worried about how the definition of protesting has changed from "stand outside the building with signs and shout slogans" to "sneak in and try to legally cause as much havoc as possible". Yeah yeah "Trump is evil and a bigot". That doesn't give you any right to restrict his freedom of speech. Like if the neo-Nazis barge into a Hillary event and started screaming and flipping off attendees, they'll just point to BLM and say "they did it first". And you know what? They'd have a point*. That's what protesting is nowadays. "How dare you equate BLM with those evil fascists" How dare you appoint yourself political commissar? Condoning unethical behavior when it's your side and condemning it when the other side does it is insanity.


    *just to be clear, I'd be just as angry if they did that. I don't support disrupting political meetings of the opposite party; I think it sets a very bad precedent. I have no desire to regress to the machine politics days where candidates hired whole bars to go out and break up meetings across town.

    When you have completely passive protesters going to Trump rallies with something as innocuous as a shirt with a slogan, or a sign/button, or more recently just having the wrong color skin, and being met with violence and hate speech this is not exactly a surprising result. Trump's authoritarian tendencies and explicit calls to violence against those who disagree with him ratcheted up the tensions to where his supporters beat people for daring to disagree. When you try to silence opposition with violence, you don't convince that person that they're wrong, you convince them that they need an equally credible threat of violence to be heard. That's basically where we're at right now.

    Why go to a rally of someone you disagree with to protest? Because that's who you're taking issue with, and honestly more importantly, why not? If they're disruptive, they get thrown out, if not, then welcome to political discourse. The precedent has been set that going to a Trump rally without having drunk the kool-aid results in Donald Trump openly and personally calling for you to be beaten by his loyal supporters. It was only a matter of time before the protesters were in a situation where they weren't hopelessly outnumbered and that script wasn't going to fly.

    All parties agree that all relevant security providers assured Trump that he could still conduct his rally, his free speech wasn't infringed, he just unsurprisingly couldn't conduct his usual bombastic derogatory shitstream at his opponents unopposed, and so he folded like the yuuuuge tough leader that America needs.

  • CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    I'm rather disappointed in Trump for cancelling the speech but I get that it was the responsible thing to do considering the circumstances. The "protestors" had driven in from all around in order to disrupt the event like the Freikorps breaking up a Communist meeting, and given the tensions between angry people who'd driven 5 hours to watch a politician give a speech and angry people who'd driven 5 hours to end that speech rescheduling the event was the mature thing to do.

    I must admit I'm growing increasingly worried about how the definition of protesting has changed from "stand outside the building with signs and shout slogans" to "sneak in and try to legally cause as much havoc as possible". Yeah yeah "Trump is evil and a bigot". That doesn't give you any right to restrict his freedom of speech. Like if the neo-Nazis barge into a Hillary event and started screaming and flipping off attendees, they'll just point to BLM and say "they did it first". And you know what? They'd have a point*. That's what protesting is nowadays. "How dare you equate BLM with those evil fascists" How dare you appoint yourself political commissar? Condoning unethical behavior when it's your side and condemning it when the other side does it is insanity.


    *just to be clear, I'd be just as angry if they did that. I don't support disrupting political meetings of the opposite party; I think it sets a very bad precedent. I have no desire to regress to the machine politics days where candidates hired whole bars to go out and break up meetings across town.

    Are you trying to say Donald dollar-fucking Trump is being denied his freedom of speech? The same Donald Trump who wants to create new laws to punish media that's unfavorable to him? The same Donald Trump who told his followers that he'd cover their legal fees if they beat protestors? Who gets 24 hour news coverage, headlines, and thousands of rally goers?

    That Donald Trump?

    Cause holy shit dude. Also, I love trying to use Nazis in a metaphor in support of the belligerent leader of a cult of personality who encourages violence and scapegoats minorities while promising to restore glory to his country.

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  • StollsStolls Brave Corporate Logo Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited March 2016
    Elki wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    Does anyone think Trump supporters might plan some kind of retaliatory protest at other campaign events? I don't see why not.

    Honestly, I am now concerned that there is a very real risk of an overreaction from the extreme fringes of Trump's support. "Well, if they're gonna show up to all our rallies and screw with us, then we're gonna do the same thing to them!" Like, what's to stop some crazy from bringing a gun to a rally somewhere? The chances of that happening are probably small, but they're high enough to be worrying.

    The only thing making me take a step back is the fact that we've had a black President for 8 years, and while there have been plenty of real threats and dangers, somehow we made it through two elections and all those years without having a large scale incident like that.

    I've been thinking about guns all day, but I didn't want to mention it yet - I'll just hope nothing happens.

    The worry for me isn't the person who plans something, those are rare. But the person who brings something with them, gets into a heated interaction, and makes a poor decision.

    I don't normally post much in these threads, but I had the same worry as soon as the first images started coming up on the news: that someone in the melee, by intent or coincidence, had been carrying when this began and the whole world would get to see a very poor snap decision in real time.

    Had to stop watching. The dread still hasn't gone away.

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