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Penny Arcade - Comic - The Didactic Order

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edited March 2016 in The Penny Arcade Hub

imagePenny Arcade - Comic - The Didactic Order

Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades 地獄のようにかわいい あなたは嫉妬深いかRegistered User regular
    Not enough labels. What do you label the ref? The crowd? Hogan's 'stache?

    Where does the crying Statue of Liberty go?

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    Mike's legendary hatred for political cartoonists revisited. Nice.

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  • ironheadironhead Registered User regular
    Not enough labels. What do you label the ref? The crowd? Hogan's 'stache?

    Where does the crying Statue of Liberty go?

    The crying statue of liberty is the ref. The crowd is the US judicial system. Hogan's stash is his public image. Now if you excuse me I need to go teach some squirrels how to write before the opium wears off.

  • Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    I don't like this comic. It's too gleeful in its cannibalism of the medium, there’s blood all over its face but it’s smiling. It’s intimate with the tropes it has on display, and at this precise moment in time I’m discomfited by what it does with that familiarity.

    It is insufficiently reverent, and does not perform the proper obeisances.

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  • AngryRobotAngryRobot Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    @GOOSE! You certainly have a way with marshaling your words to great effect...I don't need to do that, but I'm glad you do; I'm glad that you have these wriggling, besuckered tentacles.

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    AngryRobot wrote: »
    @GOOSE! You certainly have a way with gathering your words to great effect...I don't need to do that, but I'm glad you do; I'm glad that you have these wriggling, besuckered tentacles.

    He's actually gathering Jerry's words, to what effect I guess being a matter of opinion.

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  • AngryRobotAngryRobot Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    Gaslight wrote:
    He's actually gathering Jerry's words, to what effect I guess being a matter of opinion.
    So was I. So was I...

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    AngryRobot wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote:
    He's actually gathering Jerry's words, to what effect I guess being a matter of opinion.
    So was I.

    Well played! I guess I missed reading that news post for some reason. Which is a shame, because "when he regained volition I would already be dead" is pretty great.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    There's the comic!

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  • KenninatorKenninator Registered User regular
    Fantastic newspost today too. Loved that lion bit.

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  • NamrokNamrok Registered User regular
    Kenninator wrote: »
    Fantastic newspost today too. Loved that lion bit.

    Indeed. My hatred of Gawker might be without bounds, but I think Mike & Jerry out unbounds me. It's like infinity + 1, or infinity squared.

  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    It should be said in the interest of fairness that political cartoons were once kind of great.

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Not enough labels. What do you label the ref? The crowd? Hogan's 'stache?

    Where does the crying Statue of Liberty go?

    You gotta trust the reader, Josh.

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  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    Gaslight wrote: »
    It should be said in the interest of fairness that political cartoons were once kind of great.

    This one remains my all time favorite:

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    It conveys the message perfectly without a single word.

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  • TigrerojoTigrerojo Registered User regular
    Goose! wrote: »
    I don't like this comic. It's too gleeful in its cannibalism of the medium, there’s blood all over its face but it’s smiling. It’s intimate with the tropes it has on display, and at this precise moment in time I’m discomfited by what it does with that familiarity.

    It is insufficiently reverent, and does not perform the proper obeisances.

    I understood that reference! I'm smartz :3

    Seriously tho, this comic seems rather... hypocrital from a guy that drew Game Developers as a Buddist Monk and Game Journalist as a FRICKING SCORPION...

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    Man, I'm not even old, but I think I'm out of touch. I don't know what Gawker is, I don't understand the Hulk Hogan reference in this comic, and in general I just don't get it. Sure, I understand the underlying jab at political cartoons, but I don't really understand this specific context.

  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    Man, I'm not even old, but I think I'm out of touch. I don't know what Gawker is, I don't understand the Hulk Hogan reference in this comic, and in general I just don't get it. Sure, I understand the underlying jab at political cartoons, but I don't really understand this specific context.

    Gawker is a media conglomerate which owns sites like Gizmodo, Deadspin, Kotaku, Jezebel, and Jalopnik, among others.

    While there is some worthwhile and enjoyable things published on some of their sites catering to specific hobbies and enthusiasts cultures (as a casual "car guy," for example, I have to admit I enjoy some of the stuff on Jalopnik), the company as a whole has a (deserved) poor reputation in the eyes of many for practicing a cruel and sleazy style of "journalism" which puts greater value on web traffic and revenue than the truth, professional ethics, or basic decency.

    They are currently embroiled in a privacy invasion lawsuit with Hulk Hogan over a sex tape of him that they published, which is kind of bringing outrage at a lot of their other past antics to a head.

    Among their greatest hits, which Jerry references in the news post, was willingly participating in a blackmail scheme by a male escort to out a (married, male) executive at Conde Nast who was not a public figure and had never done anything to anybody and basically destroy the guy's life just for kicks and clicks.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    Ooohhh. Ok. Yeah, I used to visit Kotaku until I realized that literally every article they post is basically click bait and there is very little "journalism" going on there, if any at all. I did not realize they were part of a bigger network of other shady sites.

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  • MacMcCrackMacMcCrack Duchess of Manboob Wherever mediocrity is celebratedRegistered User regular
    I take perverse joy in seeing that my adblocker blocks 14 ads on Gawker sites. I don't even visit to read the articles. The satisfaction of knowing I have access to it without giving them a penny makes it all worthwhile.

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  • darleysamdarleysam UKRegistered User regular
    Jerry's newspost was a joy to read. That metaphor at the end is just brilliant.

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  • H3KnucklesH3Knuckles Jack of all interests... ...master of noneRegistered User regular
    edited March 2016
    Really liked Jerry's newspost, the lion metaphor was great, but what I liked the most was that he mentioned the Conde Nast/CFO thing. I find the problem with when people complain about Gawker is that most of the time they don't really give any specifics, so I think a lot of people who aren't already clued-in don't take it very seriously. But when you point out some of the bigger faux-pas like that then it gets the point across a lot more effectively.
    Goose! wrote: »
    I don't like this comic. It's too gleeful in its cannibalism of the medium, there’s blood all over its face but it’s smiling. It’s intimate with the tropes it has on display, and at this precise moment in time I’m discomfited by what it does with that familiarity.

    It is insufficiently reverent, and does not perform the proper obeisances.

    Wow, it must've really stuck in your craw that he didn't like Undertale for you to reach back and quote that. How dare he have a dumb opinion about a thing you like?
    Tigrerojo wrote: »
    Goose! wrote: »
    I don't like this comic. It's too gleeful in its cannibalism of the medium, there’s blood all over its face but it’s smiling. It’s intimate with the tropes it has on display, and at this precise moment in time I’m discomfited by what it does with that familiarity.

    It is insufficiently reverent, and does not perform the proper obeisances.

    I understood that reference! I'm smartz :3

    Seriously tho, this comic seems rather... hypocrital from a guy that drew Game Developers as a Buddist Monk and Game Journalist as a FRICKING SCORPION...

    I don't really see any hypocrisy; they aren't against the idea of editorial cartoons, I mean most of their archive could be said to fall into that category, it's the quality of so much of the ones out there that they love to ridicule. They're not even against heavy-handed messages, just poorly executed ones.

    As to the scorpion-monk comic, I mean come on, the point of that comic is that gaming news sites* and the industry have a fundamentally toxic relationship, and shame on the press for how they treat the developers, but also shame on the developers for being so naive as to expose themselves to it over and over again. Regardless of how people might feel about the point they were trying to make, I really can't think of a better way they could have expressed it.

    *I would argue that most of them never were intended to be proper journalism, which is why I find the GG'ers self-justification so ridiculous

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  • BronzeKoopaBronzeKoopa Registered User regular
    The only other controversial thing I remember about them is Gizmodo finding or buying a stolen iPhone prototype.

  • TigrerojoTigrerojo Registered User regular
    H3Knuckles wrote: »

    I don't really see any hypocrisy; they aren't against the idea of editorial cartoons, I mean most of their archive could be said to fall into that category, it's the quality of so much of the ones out there that they love to ridicule. They're not even against heavy-handed messages, just poorly executed ones.
    Really? Because other people seem to differ:
    Gaslight wrote: »
    Mike's legendary hatred for political cartoonists revisited. Nice.
    H3Knuckles wrote: »
    As to the scorpion-monk comic, I mean come on, the point of that comic is that gaming news sites* and the industry have a fundamentally toxic relationship, and shame on the press for how they treat the developers, but also shame on the developers for being so naive as to expose themselves to it over and over again. Regardless of how people might feel about the point they were trying to make, I really can't think of a better way they could have expressed it.

    *I would argue that most of them never were intended to be proper journalism, which is why I find the GG'ers self-justification so ridiculous

    Are you seriously trying to tell me that a comic showing something you like as a buddhist monk and something you hate as an SCORPION is a high quality political comic? -.- Yeah, the subtlety of the metaphor is overwhelming...
    THey could as well have drawn Game Journalists as Hitler and Game devs as Jesus. Now THAT would be subtle and deep!



  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    Tigrerojo wrote: »
    Are you seriously trying to tell me that a comic showing something you like as a buddhist monk and something you hate as an SCORPION is a high quality political comic? -.- Yeah, the subtlety of the metaphor is overwhelming...

    We're basically replaying the thread for that comic, but the stock characters of the monk and the scorpion were already part of the fable they were referencing. (In some variations it's a frog and a scorpion, in others it's a monk and a scorpion.)

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    So, the entire trial is being shown on YouTube. Here is a 40 minute video where an ex-Gawker editor gets destroyed by Hogan's lawyer.

    And yes, Hogan's "business suit" includes a black bandana.

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    So, the entire trial is being shown on YouTube. Here is a 40 minute video where an ex-Gawker editor gets destroyed by Hogan's lawyer.

    And yes, Hogan's "business suit" includes a black bandana.

    Hulkster, we know you're bald. We knew you were bald like 25 years ago.

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  • H3KnucklesH3Knuckles Jack of all interests... ...master of noneRegistered User regular
    edited March 2016
    Tigrerojo wrote: »
    H3Knuckles wrote: »

    I don't really see any hypocrisy; they aren't against the idea of editorial cartoons, I mean most of their archive could be said to fall into that category, it's the quality of so much of the ones out there that they love to ridicule. They're not even against heavy-handed messages, just poorly executed ones.
    Really? Because other people seem to differ:
    Gaslight wrote: »
    Mike's legendary hatred for political cartoonists revisited. Nice.

    Again, there's a distinction between making fun of typical political cartoons, as they often do, and being against any kind of political cartoon whatsoever. The latter would be hypocritical for a team that has produced so much material that counts as political or social commentary, but the former is not. Someone who makes any kind of creative output is well within their rights to criticize what passes for the norm in their field.
    Tigrerojo wrote: »
    H3Knuckles wrote: »
    As to the scorpion-monk comic, I mean come on, the point of that comic is that gaming news sites* and the industry have a fundamentally toxic relationship, and shame on the press for how they treat the developers, but also shame on the developers for being so naive as to expose themselves to it over and over again. Regardless of how people might feel about the point they were trying to make, I really can't think of a better way they could have expressed it.

    *I would argue that most of them never were intended to be proper journalism, which is why I find the GG'ers self-justification so ridiculous

    Are you seriously trying to tell me that a comic showing something you like as a buddhist monk and something you hate as an SCORPION is a high quality political comic? -.- Yeah, the subtlety of the metaphor is overwhelming...
    THey could as well have drawn Game Journalists as Hitler and Game devs as Jesus. Now THAT would be subtle and deep!

    No, I'm not trying to say that it was high quality or that it was a subtle metaphor, please don't put words into my mouth. I'm saying that whether or not their points were wrong isn't relevant to whether or not it was a good analogy for their message, and I think it was apt. Gaslight already got to the main argument I would use for a rebuttal above; however, I would like to add to it. While I understand you're stuck on the value-judgments implied by the devs being a monk and the press being the scorpion (a common opinion of that strip), consider the following: isn't the monk kind of dumb in the allegory? Isn't the point of using the allegory to say that the industry pros should know better about how the news media works? But I digress, what I am trying to argue is that the comic doesn't exhibit the things they complain about in political cartoons, so regardless of whether you feel it was sanctimonious garbage, it does not seem hypocritical to me for them to turn around and call the average political cartoonist a lazy hack who labels everything.

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  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    Yeah... Gawker media as a whole is in a strange place. And it's usually terrible reading during election years and this one is no exception. Lately I think their goal is to echo Fox News without even realizing it or something.

    Really don't like what they did with io9 either...

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    So, for those wondering, the Hulkster managed to beat Gawker:
    The jury awarded Hogan $55 million for economic injuries and $60 million for emotional distress. The jury will reconvene next week to consider punitive damages on top of the $115 million already awarded.
    Denton made it too easy:
    In closing arguments earlier in the day, Hogan attorney Kenneth Turkel tried to paint the Gawker defendants as indecent gossip-mongers who make a mockery of journalism.

    Turkel told the jury that Daulerio "didn't have the common decency" to reach out to any of the parties involved before he posted the video excerpts and the commentary, which "probably tells you all you need to know about Gawker."

    Turkel invoked a 2013 interview in which Denton said "invasion of privacy has incredibly positive effects on society."

    "Who thinks like that?" the attorney asked incredulously.
    Yeah Nick, the "positive effect" of making you richer at the expense of others. What a greedy and sadistical creep.

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  • StericaSterica Wow! That was shit.Registered User, Moderator mod
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  • NamrokNamrok Registered User regular
    Wow, Hulk Hogan got $115m out of $100m he asked for. I wonder what soured the jury so badly on Gawker. Could it have been the part where an editor said a sex tape involving a 4 year old would be newsworthy enough to post on the site? Or maybe the part where they told a potential rape victim that they wouldn't take down the sex tape they posted of her. Or maybe it was the part where Nick Denton tried to invoke the holocaust in Gawker's defense somehow.

    Their editors said so many sociopathic, insane things it's hard to single one out. I can't believe these people thought saying those things would help them in the eyes of the jury.

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  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    .

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  • BremenBremen Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    Namrok wrote: »
    Wow, Hulk Hogan got $115m out of $100m he asked for. I wonder what soured the jury so badly on Gawker. Could it have been the part where an editor said a sex tape involving a 4 year old would be newsworthy enough to post on the site? Or maybe the part where they told a potential rape victim that they wouldn't take down the sex tape they posted of her. Or maybe it was the part where Nick Denton tried to invoke the holocaust in Gawker's defense somehow.

    Their editors said so many sociopathic, insane things it's hard to single one out. I can't believe these people thought saying those things would help them in the eyes of the jury.

    To be fair, if you work at Gawker I expect your respect for humanity goes way, way down.

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    I think we can all agree that no one deserves to join the ranks of the super rich more than Hulk Hogan.

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    I guess we probably won't be seeing him in any more Rent-a-Center commercials now.

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  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    Also:
    Wikipedia wrote:
    Under current Florida law, any appellate (person filing an appeal) in a civil judgement, must bond or pay one half of that judgement, with the maximum bond being fifty million dollars, to the court before the appeals process can begin. The problem facing Gawker is the fact that this required bond is more than their current annual income, and may make the appeal process difficult, if not impossible to undertake.

    I'm assuming this will apply to the punitive damages, too. Another article talks about the net worth of the various defendants:
    For the company, that's $83 million, and for Denton, the figure is $121 million, Judge Pamela Campbell told the jurors. Daulerio was determined to have no assets, but did have $27,000 in student loans.

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    I doubt he'll see the whole payout, but it looks like Hulk has a good chance of receiving essentially everything gawker has.

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  • Man in the MistsMan in the Mists Registered User regular
    So, soon Gawker will become Hulker?

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