It would be cool though if some kind of stupid Reno hunter could actually work. I want to see Hemet vindicated from beyond the grave.
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Reno Hunter is actually a thing, though. Reynad was talking about it on stream--it's actually one of the best antiaggro decks in the game, but it autoloses to any sort of control deck. Infest will help shore up those matchups, of course.
I would not say that aggro hunter definitely runs Infest. Its quality is very high variance for that deck (both in needing a board and whatever quality of minion is left behind), when it's usually a very streamlined and reliable thing.
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I would not say that aggro hunter definitely runs Infest. Its quality is very high variance for that deck (both in needing a board and whatever quality of minion is left behind), when it's usually a very streamlined and reliable thing.
I would say it definitely doesn't run it. It's basically spending 3 mana to draw cards when your minions die, so not unlike Cult Master, which is never in aggro decks. That they're random minions (so not burn and probably not chargers) means it's probably just way too slow for an aggro deck.
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oh my god I finally got the joke in "polluted hoarder"
I would not say that aggro hunter definitely runs Infest. Its quality is very high variance for that deck (both in needing a board and whatever quality of minion is left behind), when it's usually a very streamlined and reliable thing.
I would say it definitely doesn't run it. It's basically spending 3 mana to draw cards when your minions die, so not unlike Cult Master, which is never in aggro decks. That they're random minions (so not burn and probably not chargers) means it's probably just way too slow for an aggro deck.
I thought about making the comparison to Cult Master, but I feel like Cult Master forcing you to trade whereas Infest lets you continue to go face if you want to was a meaningful enough distinction for the deck that it wasn't the best.
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yeah part of the appeal with infest is, like SotF, you can just cast it and hit face and be like "lol use your board clear see what happens"
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I'm not sure Soul of the Forest is a great comparison either, since that puts minions on board and Infest puts stuff in your hand.
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If you ever want to be disabused of the notion that professional Hearthstone is only about skill, watch the finals of the Truesilver tourney that just happened.
Ness won through just the most ridiculously lucky draws on his part and horrible draws on Dog's part (particularly in the Warrior vs. Warlock and Rogue vs. Priest games) that I've ever seen I think in all the professional Hearthstone I've ever watched. Gotta feel bad if you're Dog, since overall he actually made more correct plays than Ness did throughout the series (Ness made several pretty serious misplays) but just lost because the deck sort algorithms fucked him.
Any game that has cars draw is inherintly luck based. Skill plays a big part in the game in making critical decisions. That being said, if someone is curving out perfectly or getting insane top decks, well yeah. I don't think matches that are insta lose happen that often though.
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Barring a miracle, it looks like I won't reach rank 5 this month. Can't break out of the 7-9 range.
First time in over a year.
Scum your way to victory. I went from 9 to 5 only losing 3 or 4 games with this yesterday.
edit: for clarity, I'm just making a joke about how unpopular playing against the deck is. It's still undoubtedly the strongest deck to gain ranks with on the ladder, and I don't actually have an issue with anyone playing it. Or I'm a huge hypocrite. You decide!
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I've figured out how to beat Reno Mage as Freeze. You literally just throw all your burn at their face as soon as you draw it and hope to kill them before they draw Reno. Works like ~30% of the time, which is way better than the usual vs control strat of draw and stall.
What's a good substitute for implosion? I've been using shadowbolt, seems okay, but I'm not convinced.
You're never going to fill the same niche of damage + flood the board with a different card, so I would just substitute another strong card. Piloted Shredder maybe.
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What's a good substitute for implosion? I've been using shadowbolt, seems okay, but I'm not convinced.
You're never going to fill the same niche of damage + flood the board with a different card, so I would just substitute another strong card. Piloted Shredder maybe.
Dark Iron Dwarf is the closest you'll get, maybe. It's not optimal AT ALL, but it's... something. +2 damage and a 4/4 body is okay.
Either that or Shredder, yeah.
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What's a good substitute for implosion? I've been using shadowbolt, seems okay, but I'm not convinced.
You're never going to fill the same niche of damage + flood the board with a different card, so I would just substitute another strong card. Piloted Shredder maybe.
i have been playing aggro shaman and i think the meta is pretty mean against it actually
Yeah, it did not go at all well earlier on Europe.
Freeze Mage seems to be favoured against everything I'm seeing.
It's tempting to craft the 2nd Doomsayer to run it for the end of season grind.
Everything from my own experience, posts here, and watching tournaments has convinced me that Secret Paladin is favored against Freeze Mage.
Changing Healbot for Thaurissan pushed my winrate against Secrets way up. I'm now 9-5 (64%) above rank 5 and 16-15 (52%) for all ranks. It knocked my Shaman matchup down to 3-4 (43%) though.
Reno Hunter is actually a thing, though. Reynad was talking about it on stream--it's actually one of the best antiaggro decks in the game, but it autoloses to any sort of control deck. Infest will help shore up those matchups, of course.
I wouldn't say autolose, in fact it's probably my best anti Freeze mage deck, where I struggle with it is decks that can flood the board (unless I have my explosive trap and they're all sub 2 health)
But yeah Reno Hunter is totally a thing and it's probably the deck I'm having the most fun with at the moment.
Reno Hunter is actually a thing, though. Reynad was talking about it on stream--it's actually one of the best antiaggro decks in the game, but it autoloses to any sort of control deck. Infest will help shore up those matchups, of course.
I wouldn't say autolose, in fact it's probably my best anti Freeze mage deck, where I struggle with it is decks that can flood the board (unless I have my explosive trap and they're all sub 2 health)
But yeah Reno Hunter is totally a thing and it's probably the deck I'm having the most fun with at the moment.
Freeze Mage isn't a control deck tho, it's a combo deck. Control is Fatigue Warrior/Control Priest/Fatigue Priest/Reno Mage/Reno Warlock (the one that doesn't run leeroy/faceless). Basically any deck that runs Elise.
Do you struggle with the aggro matchup? Have the full removal complement of pyromancer(+hunter's mark/arcane shot)/quick shot/explosive trap/powershot/unleash/explosive shot? Might want to add in more healing, then. Healbot is necessary, consider Farseer and Refreshment Vendor if you haven't.
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Apparently along the lines of corrupted minions they also wanted to see a bad minion become good.
Well it can attack normally so it's still got it's offensive power, not sure it really has enough synergy with current paladin though, but it's probably got value as a bulky antique healbot assuming you can manipulate the board well enough to make sure the heal goes where it's needed.
Reno Hunter is actually a thing, though. Reynad was talking about it on stream--it's actually one of the best antiaggro decks in the game, but it autoloses to any sort of control deck. Infest will help shore up those matchups, of course.
I wouldn't say autolose, in fact it's probably my best anti Freeze mage deck, where I struggle with it is decks that can flood the board (unless I have my explosive trap and they're all sub 2 health)
But yeah Reno Hunter is totally a thing and it's probably the deck I'm having the most fun with at the moment.
Freeze Mage isn't a control deck tho, it's a combo deck. Control is Fatigue Warrior/Control Priest/Fatigue Priest/Reno Mage/Reno Warlock (the one that doesn't run leeroy/faceless). Basically any deck that runs Elise.
Do you struggle with the aggro matchup? Have the full removal complement of pyromancer(+hunter's mark/arcane shot)/quick shot/explosive trap/powershot/unleash/explosive shot? Might want to add in more healing, then. Healbot is necessary, consider Farseer and Refreshment Vendor if you haven't.
Nah agro is fine for the most part I was more referring to stuff like max implosion into Sea giant shenanigans. But you're right I should probably add in a bit more healing.
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I would say it definitely doesn't run it. It's basically spending 3 mana to draw cards when your minions die, so not unlike Cult Master, which is never in aggro decks. That they're random minions (so not burn and probably not chargers) means it's probably just way too slow for an aggro deck.
I thought about making the comparison to Cult Master, but I feel like Cult Master forcing you to trade whereas Infest lets you continue to go face if you want to was a meaningful enough distinction for the deck that it wasn't the best.
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First time in over a year.
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Scum your way to victory. I went from 9 to 5 only losing 3 or 4 games with this yesterday.
edit: for clarity, I'm just making a joke about how unpopular playing against the deck is. It's still undoubtedly the strongest deck to gain ranks with on the ladder, and I don't actually have an issue with anyone playing it. Or I'm a huge hypocrite. You decide!
Trying that now. Will swap to Scumadin if needed.
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Yeah, it did not go at all well earlier on Europe.
Freeze Mage seems to be favoured against everything I'm seeing.
It's tempting to craft the 2nd Doomsayer to run it for the end of season grind.
You're never going to fill the same niche of damage + flood the board with a different card, so I would just substitute another strong card. Piloted Shredder maybe.
Everything from my own experience, posts here, and watching tournaments has convinced me that Secret Paladin is favored against Freeze Mage.
dark iron dwarf
In world where sticky minions are largely gone, this could be serious benefit
That's a good sub.
Dark Iron Dwarf is the closest you'll get, maybe. It's not optimal AT ALL, but it's... something. +2 damage and a 4/4 body is okay.
Either that or Shredder, yeah.
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Oh definitely, but the Secrets Pallys are not where I'm at right now apparently if todays games were anything to go by.
Changing Healbot for Thaurissan pushed my winrate against Secrets way up. I'm now 9-5 (64%) above rank 5 and 16-15 (52%) for all ranks. It knocked my Shaman matchup down to 3-4 (43%) though.
I wouldn't say autolose, in fact it's probably my best anti Freeze mage deck, where I struggle with it is decks that can flood the board (unless I have my explosive trap and they're all sub 2 health)
But yeah Reno Hunter is totally a thing and it's probably the deck I'm having the most fun with at the moment.
often literally
This is really neat.
Freeze Mage isn't a control deck tho, it's a combo deck. Control is Fatigue Warrior/Control Priest/Fatigue Priest/Reno Mage/Reno Warlock (the one that doesn't run leeroy/faceless). Basically any deck that runs Elise.
Do you struggle with the aggro matchup? Have the full removal complement of pyromancer(+hunter's mark/arcane shot)/quick shot/explosive trap/powershot/unleash/explosive shot? Might want to add in more healing, then. Healbot is necessary, consider Farseer and Refreshment Vendor if you haven't.
Ragnaros, Lightlord
8 mana 8/8
At the end of your turn, restore 8 Health to a damaged friendly character.
... wow.
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Apparently along the lines of corrupted minions they also wanted to see a bad minion become good.
EDIT: well i guess since it can attack normal its decent in arena?
but i honestly cant see that being played in any pally decks
Well it can attack normally so it's still got it's offensive power, not sure it really has enough synergy with current paladin though, but it's probably got value as a bulky antique healbot assuming you can manipulate the board well enough to make sure the heal goes where it's needed.
Nah agro is fine for the most part I was more referring to stuff like max implosion into Sea giant shenanigans. But you're right I should probably add in a bit more healing.