Zack Snyder is trying to defend Batman's insane body count in BvS by saying "it's more manslaughter than murder" and that he was inspired by the scene in TDKR where Bruce uses the machine gun.
Zack Snyder is trying to defend Batman's insane body count in BvS by saying "it's more manslaughter than murder" and that he was inspired by the scene in TDKR where Bruce uses the machine gun.
I have only seen bits and pieces but doesn't he not kill anybody with that thing? Also pretty sure there is a scene where he crushes a gun in his bare hands and tells his crew they won't use guns.
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This is a little odd. The movie isn't even officially out yet, but Yahoo apparently did an interview with the BvS cast (+Snyder) where they brought up all the bad reviews and got their response to it.
The interesting thing is Ben Afleck's reaction. He and Cavill are interviewed together, and Cavill gives a long 30-second PR spin on things while Afleck just stares at the floor the entire time, looking as if his soul is being drained out but knowing he still has to promote the movie. Once Cavill finishes talking, he simply says "I agree" and that's it.
Ben Affleck always struck me as a smarter, more talented person than the shitty roles he gets let him appear to be.
Also, the fact that he was already famous before he was Batman probably lets him get away with less toeing of the company line.
Zack Snyder is trying to defend Batman's insane body count in BvS by saying "it's more manslaughter than murder" and that he was inspired by the scene in TDKR where Bruce uses the machine gun.
It was discouraging to read that earlier
Just, stop pussyfooting around it, Snyder
Pull the trigger, literally and metaphorically
There is no danger in anyone confusing your versions of Batman and Superman with the ones of the comics or animated series
Have Batman murder some parents in front of their child
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
Honestly. I don't particularly care if they kill. It's not my favorite interpretation. But if you wrap a good movie around it, then whatever.
I mean Avengers are over there murdering the shit out of Hydra goons. So it's not like the general movie audience is particular perturbed by heroes killing.
That seems like Snyders MO to fixing problems. I get the feeling he starts out having already decided what he want to do and any time something gets in the way he doesn't consider whether what he is doing is a good idea but instead immediately justifies it and moves on.
I/the studio wants Batman to use guns- well he sorta uses one in DKR.
People were mad at the destruction in MoS- Instead of restructuring the scenes so that the characters take civilians into account all throw in some lines about everywhere they fight being conveniently deserted.
The image I have seen floating around that makes me feel bad for Affleck is a quote about him taking the role and saying he wouldn't have done it if he thought it was another Daredevil.
Daredevil has a 44% on Rotten Tomatoes, BvS has 33%.
Honestly. I don't particularly care if they kill. It's not my favorite interpretation. But if you wrap a good movie around it, then whatever.
I mean Avengers are over there murdering the shit out of Hydra goons. So it's not like the general movie audience is particular perturbed by heroes killing.
You're not wrong but Batman, Superman and Spider-Man have always been the trinity of NO KILLING for me.
Don't care if others are killing goons but those three should never cross that line.
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Zack Snyder is trying to defend Batman's insane body count in BvS by saying "it's more manslaughter than murder" and that he was inspired by the scene in TDKR where Bruce uses the machine gun.
You know what the difference is between a hundred counts of murder and a hundred counts of manslaughter?
Not that I think Synder knows the difference s between one count, but still.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
The movie daredevil costume looks way better than the current tv one.
There are elements of both that I like
But yeah, I really wish we had like, the simple leather jacket of the movie instead of whatever is going on in the TV show
I think the Netflix one is over-complicated, probably because of the lengths they went to to explain like every part of the costume (this part's Kevlar, that isn't, where the mask is protected, etc)
Instead of going the Arrow route of "it's a superhero show, he wears a superhero costume"
Honestly. I don't particularly care if they kill. It's not my favorite interpretation. But if you wrap a good movie around it, then whatever.
I mean Avengers are over there murdering the shit out of Hydra goons. So it's not like the general movie audience is particular perturbed by heroes killing.
Its not about heroes killing.
Not killing is a fundamental part of some characters character and story.
Batman doesn't kill or use guns.
Superman doesn't kill.
Spider-man doesn't kill.
Im not saying you can never break this rule but you had better have a damn good reason if you do.
Honestly if the character in this movie is going to run around killing people and using guns I dont really see how its Batman at all.
Sounds like this guy has a lot more in common with the punisher than the character I enjoy.
Zack Snyder is trying to defend Batman's insane body count in BvS by saying "it's more manslaughter than murder" and that he was inspired by the scene in TDKR where Bruce uses the machine gun.
You know what the difference is between a hundred counts of murder and a hundred counts of manslaughter?
Ones a hundred counts of manslaughter and the other is a hundred counts of murder?
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Brosnan had one fantastic Bond movie, I hope Affleck gets at least the same.
Snyder just didn't catch the "Rubber bullets. Honest." narration.
In DKR (the comic) Batman uses a military-grade machine gun that he takes from one kidnapper to shoot another kidnapper holding a gun to a kid's head (it's after he busts through the wall). The results of the shot aren't shown in panel, just that the kid survives. I always thought it was pretty odd that Bruce would so casually abandon his views on both guns and (probably) killing for the sake of a mediocre one-liner.
And she even uses the gauntlets on her stumpy little pig legs to deflect bullets!
Now I have to watch this episode again when I get home.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Honestly. I don't particularly care if they kill. It's not my favorite interpretation. But if you wrap a good movie around it, then whatever.
I mean Avengers are over there murdering the shit out of Hydra goons. So it's not like the general movie audience is particular perturbed by heroes killing.
The Avengers also act like soldiers, with two being ex-assassins, one being a literal soldier, one being a weapons dealer, and one being a rage monster. And their last movie had all of them risk their lives to the last man to save every civilian they could and reduce collateral damage from Ultron, and that was a HUGE plot point.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Snyder just didn't catch the "Rubber bullets. Honest." narration.
In DKR (the comic) Batman uses a military-grade machine gun that he takes from one kidnapper to shoot another kidnapper holding a gun to a kid's head (it's after he busts through the wall). The results of the shot aren't shown in panel, just that the kid survives. I always thought it was pretty odd that Bruce would so casually abandon his views on both guns and (probably) killing for the sake of a mediocre one-liner.
I think Ben Affleck wanted to make a really great Batman film
Yeah, Affleck came out of Kevin Smith's entourage so I can't imagine he doesn't care about doing the character well.
Ya Smith constantly references their early years and an era where Affleck came over, was shown a couple comics, and proceeded to basically just hibernate next to the comic boxes until he had read it all.
Snyder just didn't catch the "Rubber bullets. Honest." narration.
In DKR (the comic) Batman uses a military-grade machine gun that he takes from one kidnapper to shoot another kidnapper holding a gun to a kid's head (it's after he busts through the wall). The results of the shot aren't shown in panel, just that the kid survives. I always thought it was pretty odd that Bruce would so casually abandon his views on both guns and (probably) killing for the sake of a mediocre one-liner.
I don't love that moment (I don't like TDKR generally), but putting it at the end of Batman's career has a different effect. He's a different Batman, he's given up some of his old principles.
I don't mind Captain America killing people. He's a soldier. Same with Black Widow, even Iron Man. Batman has two rules: no guns, no killing. If you're going to break either of those, it's serious business.
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
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I think you guys are missing the part where I say it's not my favorite interpretation.
And pretty sure Batman has killed in practically all of his movies save The Dark Knight maybe?
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I think you guys are missing the part where I say it's not my favorite interpretation.
And pretty sure Batman has killed in practically all of his movies save The Dark Knight maybe?
He kills Dent (inadvertantly).
I don't mind the Avengers killing people either, though it's getting a little tiresome that their big battles feature armies of conspicuously non-human mooks (Chitauri, Ultron-bots) for them to kill without getting complicated about it.
I think you guys are missing the part where I say it's not my favorite interpretation.
And pretty sure Batman has killed in practically all of his movies save The Dark Knight maybe?
He kills Dent (inadvertantly).
I don't mind the Avengers killing people either, though it's getting a little tiresome that their big battles feature armies of conspicuously non-human mooks (Chitauri, Ultron-bots) for them to kill without getting complicated about it.
I don't really think the point was to avoid human enemies. They've killed a ton of hydra.
Iron Man kills way to many people in his films. He gets away with it because they're terrorists, or working with terrorists, but man does his rack up a body count.
The fucking Hulk has a lower body count than Iron Man.
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Iron Man kills way to many people in his films. He gets away with it because they're terrorists, or working with terrorists, but man does his rack up a body count.
The fucking Hulk has a lower body count than Iron Man.
True, but he was kinda put in a situation where he had no choice.
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Zack Snyder is trying to defend Batman's insane body count in BvS by saying "it's more manslaughter than murder" and that he was inspired by the scene in TDKR where Bruce uses the machine gun.
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I have only seen bits and pieces but doesn't he not kill anybody with that thing? Also pretty sure there is a scene where he crushes a gun in his bare hands and tells his crew they won't use guns.
"These are the weapon of the enemy" and all that?
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Ben Affleck always struck me as a smarter, more talented person than the shitty roles he gets let him appear to be.
Also, the fact that he was already famous before he was Batman probably lets him get away with less toeing of the company line.
It was discouraging to read that earlier
Just, stop pussyfooting around it, Snyder
Pull the trigger, literally and metaphorically
There is no danger in anyone confusing your versions of Batman and Superman with the ones of the comics or animated series
Just have him kill outright
There are elements of both that I like
But yeah, I really wish we had like, the simple leather jacket of the movie instead of whatever is going on in the TV show
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I mean Avengers are over there murdering the shit out of Hydra goons. So it's not like the general movie audience is particular perturbed by heroes killing.
I/the studio wants Batman to use guns- well he sorta uses one in DKR.
People were mad at the destruction in MoS- Instead of restructuring the scenes so that the characters take civilians into account all throw in some lines about everywhere they fight being conveniently deserted.
Daredevil has a 44% on Rotten Tomatoes, BvS has 33%.
Yeah, Affleck came out of Kevin Smith's entourage so I can't imagine he doesn't care about doing the character well.
Don't care if others are killing goons but those three should never cross that line.
these opinions are fair enough, you will not be purged when the onion revolution comes if I am in charge
of course it will probably be Onion Robespierre in charge and I'll probably be up against the wall along with you for not liking onion as a garnish on burgers
You know what the difference is between a hundred counts of murder and a hundred counts of manslaughter?
Not that I think Synder knows the difference s between one count, but still.
I guess he'll be the Batman equivalent of Pierce Brosnan. Great Bond, terrible movies.
I think the Netflix one is over-complicated, probably because of the lengths they went to to explain like every part of the costume (this part's Kevlar, that isn't, where the mask is protected, etc)
Instead of going the Arrow route of "it's a superhero show, he wears a superhero costume"
Its not about heroes killing.
Not killing is a fundamental part of some characters character and story.
Batman doesn't kill or use guns.
Superman doesn't kill.
Spider-man doesn't kill.
Im not saying you can never break this rule but you had better have a damn good reason if you do.
Honestly if the character in this movie is going to run around killing people and using guns I dont really see how its Batman at all.
Sounds like this guy has a lot more in common with the punisher than the character I enjoy.
Ones a hundred counts of manslaughter and the other is a hundred counts of murder?
In DKR (the comic) Batman uses a military-grade machine gun that he takes from one kidnapper to shoot another kidnapper holding a gun to a kid's head (it's after he busts through the wall). The results of the shot aren't shown in panel, just that the kid survives. I always thought it was pretty odd that Bruce would so casually abandon his views on both guns and (probably) killing for the sake of a mediocre one-liner.
And she even uses the gauntlets on her stumpy little pig legs to deflect bullets!
Now I have to watch this episode again when I get home.
The Avengers also act like soldiers, with two being ex-assassins, one being a literal soldier, one being a weapons dealer, and one being a rage monster. And their last movie had all of them risk their lives to the last man to save every civilian they could and reduce collateral damage from Ultron, and that was a HUGE plot point.
Thats because DKR is kind of bad
Ya Smith constantly references their early years and an era where Affleck came over, was shown a couple comics, and proceeded to basically just hibernate next to the comic boxes until he had read it all.
I don't love that moment (I don't like TDKR generally), but putting it at the end of Batman's career has a different effect. He's a different Batman, he's given up some of his old principles.
I don't mind Captain America killing people. He's a soldier. Same with Black Widow, even Iron Man. Batman has two rules: no guns, no killing. If you're going to break either of those, it's serious business.
And pretty sure Batman has killed in practically all of his movies save The Dark Knight maybe?
edit-and the original Batman?
He kills Dent (inadvertantly).
I don't mind the Avengers killing people either, though it's getting a little tiresome that their big battles feature armies of conspicuously non-human mooks (Chitauri, Ultron-bots) for them to kill without getting complicated about it.
I don't really think the point was to avoid human enemies. They've killed a ton of hydra.
Anywho, if I'm being fully honest
Iron Man kills way to many people in his films. He gets away with it because they're terrorists, or working with terrorists, but man does his rack up a body count.
The fucking Hulk has a lower body count than Iron Man.
He kills in The Dark Knight
One of my biggest complaints with it, in fact
True, but he was kinda put in a situation where he had no choice.