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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Hahahahaha

    Zack Snyder is trying to defend Batman's insane body count in BvS by saying "it's more manslaughter than murder" and that he was inspired by the scene in TDKR where Bruce uses the machine gun.

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
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    Fun fact: that pig is Wonder Woman.

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Hahahahaha

    Zack Snyder is trying to defend Batman's insane body count in BvS by saying "it's more manslaughter than murder" and that he was inspired by the scene in TDKR where Bruce uses the machine gun.

    I have only seen bits and pieces but doesn't he not kill anybody with that thing? Also pretty sure there is a scene where he crushes a gun in his bare hands and tells his crew they won't use guns.

    "These are the weapon of the enemy" and all that?

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Yeah if I remember right he uses it as a scare tactic but doesn't kill anyone. He just shoots through some walls or something.

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    Lars wrote: »
    This is a little odd. The movie isn't even officially out yet, but Yahoo apparently did an interview with the BvS cast (+Snyder) where they brought up all the bad reviews and got their response to it.

    The interesting thing is Ben Afleck's reaction. He and Cavill are interviewed together, and Cavill gives a long 30-second PR spin on things while Afleck just stares at the floor the entire time, looking as if his soul is being drained out but knowing he still has to promote the movie. Once Cavill finishes talking, he simply says "I agree" and that's it.

    Ben Affleck always struck me as a smarter, more talented person than the shitty roles he gets let him appear to be.

    Also, the fact that he was already famous before he was Batman probably lets him get away with less toeing of the company line.

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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    No, and I will not

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Hahahahaha

    Zack Snyder is trying to defend Batman's insane body count in BvS by saying "it's more manslaughter than murder" and that he was inspired by the scene in TDKR where Bruce uses the machine gun.

    It was discouraging to read that earlier

    Just, stop pussyfooting around it, Snyder

    Pull the trigger, literally and metaphorically

    There is no danger in anyone confusing your versions of Batman and Superman with the ones of the comics or animated series

    Just have him kill outright

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    The movie daredevil costume looks way better than the current tv one.

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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Have Batman murder some parents in front of their child

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    JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    Snyder just didn't catch the "Rubber bullets. Honest." narration.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
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    The movie daredevil costume looks way better than the current tv one.

    There are elements of both that I like

    But yeah, I really wish we had like, the simple leather jacket of the movie instead of whatever is going on in the TV show

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
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    I was googling this to check what it meant in Spanish, and one of the first results is this image, which is totally a batcar!
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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Honestly. I don't particularly care if they kill. It's not my favorite interpretation. But if you wrap a good movie around it, then whatever.

    I mean Avengers are over there murdering the shit out of Hydra goons. So it's not like the general movie audience is particular perturbed by heroes killing.

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    That seems like Snyders MO to fixing problems. I get the feeling he starts out having already decided what he want to do and any time something gets in the way he doesn't consider whether what he is doing is a good idea but instead immediately justifies it and moves on.

    I/the studio wants Batman to use guns- well he sorta uses one in DKR.

    People were mad at the destruction in MoS- Instead of restructuring the scenes so that the characters take civilians into account all throw in some lines about everywhere they fight being conveniently deserted.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    The image I have seen floating around that makes me feel bad for Affleck is a quote about him taking the role and saying he wouldn't have done it if he thought it was another Daredevil.

    Daredevil has a 44% on Rotten Tomatoes, BvS has 33%.

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    DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    I think Ben Affleck wanted to make a really great Batman film

    Yeah, Affleck came out of Kevin Smith's entourage so I can't imagine he doesn't care about doing the character well.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    Honestly. I don't particularly care if they kill. It's not my favorite interpretation. But if you wrap a good movie around it, then whatever.

    I mean Avengers are over there murdering the shit out of Hydra goons. So it's not like the general movie audience is particular perturbed by heroes killing.
    You're not wrong but Batman, Superman and Spider-Man have always been the trinity of NO KILLING for me.

    Don't care if others are killing goons but those three should never cross that line.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    rhylith wrote: »
    Onions, the smell the taste of them, triggers my gag reflex hard.

    Yet I am still keenly aware of how required they are to get certain meals cooked properly.

    Just keep that shit off the condiment line. Seriously.

    Kinda agree with this. I can handle cooked onions, and actually frickin love carmelized onions, but when they're still raw or undercooked and I bite into one and get the texture and the pungency it's a bad situation.

    these opinions are fair enough, you will not be purged when the onion revolution comes if I am in charge
    of course it will probably be Onion Robespierre in charge and I'll probably be up against the wall along with you for not liking onion as a garnish on burgers

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Hahahahaha
    Zack Snyder is trying to defend Batman's insane body count in BvS by saying "it's more manslaughter than murder" and that he was inspired by the scene in TDKR where Bruce uses the machine gun.

    You know what the difference is between a hundred counts of murder and a hundred counts of manslaughter?

    Not that I think Synder knows the difference s between one count, but still.

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    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    I think Ben Affleck wanted to make a really great Batman film

    Yeah, Affleck came out of Kevin Smith's entourage so I can't imagine he doesn't care about doing the character well.

    I guess he'll be the Batman equivalent of Pierce Brosnan. Great Bond, terrible movies.

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited March 2016
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    The movie daredevil costume looks way better than the current tv one.

    There are elements of both that I like

    But yeah, I really wish we had like, the simple leather jacket of the movie instead of whatever is going on in the TV show

    I think the Netflix one is over-complicated, probably because of the lengths they went to to explain like every part of the costume (this part's Kevlar, that isn't, where the mask is protected, etc)

    Instead of going the Arrow route of "it's a superhero show, he wears a superhero costume"

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    Honestly. I don't particularly care if they kill. It's not my favorite interpretation. But if you wrap a good movie around it, then whatever.

    I mean Avengers are over there murdering the shit out of Hydra goons. So it's not like the general movie audience is particular perturbed by heroes killing.

    Its not about heroes killing.

    Not killing is a fundamental part of some characters character and story.

    Batman doesn't kill or use guns.

    Superman doesn't kill.

    Spider-man doesn't kill.

    Im not saying you can never break this rule but you had better have a damn good reason if you do.

    Honestly if the character in this movie is going to run around killing people and using guns I dont really see how its Batman at all.

    Sounds like this guy has a lot more in common with the punisher than the character I enjoy.

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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Hahahahaha
    Zack Snyder is trying to defend Batman's insane body count in BvS by saying "it's more manslaughter than murder" and that he was inspired by the scene in TDKR where Bruce uses the machine gun.

    You know what the difference is between a hundred counts of murder and a hundred counts of manslaughter?

    Ones a hundred counts of manslaughter and the other is a hundred counts of murder?

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    LuvTheMonkeyLuvTheMonkey High Sierra Serenade Registered User regular
    Brosnan had one fantastic Bond movie, I hope Affleck gets at least the same.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    JayKaos wrote: »
    Snyder just didn't catch the "Rubber bullets. Honest." narration.

    In DKR (the comic) Batman uses a military-grade machine gun that he takes from one kidnapper to shoot another kidnapper holding a gun to a kid's head (it's after he busts through the wall). The results of the shot aren't shown in panel, just that the kid survives. I always thought it was pretty odd that Bruce would so casually abandon his views on both guns and (probably) killing for the sake of a mediocre one-liner.

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    hailtothekalehailtothekale Registered User regular
    SimBen wrote: »

    And she even uses the gauntlets on her stumpy little pig legs to deflect bullets!

    Now I have to watch this episode again when I get home.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    Honestly. I don't particularly care if they kill. It's not my favorite interpretation. But if you wrap a good movie around it, then whatever.

    I mean Avengers are over there murdering the shit out of Hydra goons. So it's not like the general movie audience is particular perturbed by heroes killing.

    The Avengers also act like soldiers, with two being ex-assassins, one being a literal soldier, one being a weapons dealer, and one being a rage monster. And their last movie had all of them risk their lives to the last man to save every civilian they could and reduce collateral damage from Ultron, and that was a HUGE plot point.

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    JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    Ah yeah, I forgot all about that part; I was just thinking of his big rampage with the Bat Tank.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    JayKaos wrote: »
    Snyder just didn't catch the "Rubber bullets. Honest." narration.

    In DKR (the comic) Batman uses a military-grade machine gun that he takes from one kidnapper to shoot another kidnapper holding a gun to a kid's head (it's after he busts through the wall). The results of the shot aren't shown in panel, just that the kid survives. I always thought it was pretty odd that Bruce would so casually abandon his views on both guns and (probably) killing for the sake of a mediocre one-liner.

    Thats because DKR is kind of bad

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    I think Ben Affleck wanted to make a really great Batman film

    Yeah, Affleck came out of Kevin Smith's entourage so I can't imagine he doesn't care about doing the character well.

    Ya Smith constantly references their early years and an era where Affleck came over, was shown a couple comics, and proceeded to basically just hibernate next to the comic boxes until he had read it all.

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    KalTorak wrote: »
    JayKaos wrote: »
    Snyder just didn't catch the "Rubber bullets. Honest." narration.

    In DKR (the comic) Batman uses a military-grade machine gun that he takes from one kidnapper to shoot another kidnapper holding a gun to a kid's head (it's after he busts through the wall). The results of the shot aren't shown in panel, just that the kid survives. I always thought it was pretty odd that Bruce would so casually abandon his views on both guns and (probably) killing for the sake of a mediocre one-liner.

    I don't love that moment (I don't like TDKR generally), but putting it at the end of Batman's career has a different effect. He's a different Batman, he's given up some of his old principles.

    I don't mind Captain America killing people. He's a soldier. Same with Black Widow, even Iron Man. Batman has two rules: no guns, no killing. If you're going to break either of those, it's serious business.

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    edited March 2016
    I think you guys are missing the part where I say it's not my favorite interpretation.

    And pretty sure Batman has killed in practically all of his movies save The Dark Knight maybe?

    edit-and the original Batman?

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    NarbusNarbus Registered User regular
    The AV Club has a Spoiler Space article up, wherein the ending of the BvS:DoJ movie is 100% spoiled, so don't click that if you don't want to read about it. I won't even talk about it in spoiler tags, I'll just say that the tiny bit of desire I had to see this movie just farted in its own mouth, ran into a wall, then staggered off a cliff.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    I think you guys are missing the part where I say it's not my favorite interpretation.

    And pretty sure Batman has killed in practically all of his movies save The Dark Knight maybe?

    He kills Dent (inadvertantly).

    I don't mind the Avengers killing people either, though it's getting a little tiresome that their big battles feature armies of conspicuously non-human mooks (Chitauri, Ultron-bots) for them to kill without getting complicated about it.

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Gustav wrote: »
    I think you guys are missing the part where I say it's not my favorite interpretation.

    And pretty sure Batman has killed in practically all of his movies save The Dark Knight maybe?

    He kills Dent (inadvertantly).

    I don't mind the Avengers killing people either, though it's getting a little tiresome that their big battles feature armies of conspicuously non-human mooks (Chitauri, Ultron-bots) for them to kill without getting complicated about it.

    I don't really think the point was to avoid human enemies. They've killed a ton of hydra.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Spoiler tags are busted right now anyway.

    Anywho, if I'm being fully honest

    Iron Man kills way to many people in his films. He gets away with it because they're terrorists, or working with terrorists, but man does his rack up a body count.

    The fucking Hulk has a lower body count than Iron Man.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    I think you guys are missing the part where I say it's not my favorite interpretation.

    And pretty sure Batman has killed in practically all of his movies save The Dark Knight maybe?

    edit-and the original Batman?

    He kills in The Dark Knight

    One of my biggest complaints with it, in fact

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Spoiler tags are busted right now anyway.

    Anywho, if I'm being fully honest

    Iron Man kills way to many people in his films. He gets away with it because they're terrorists, or working with terrorists, but man does his rack up a body count.

    The fucking Hulk has a lower body count than Iron Man.

    True, but he was kinda put in a situation where he had no choice.

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