So it looks like after I finish Tokyo Mirage Sessions I can go ahead and sell my Wii U.
Zelda was the one thing I was really hanging on to it for. Might as well get an NX to play it on.
Although, if NX is going to end up like Wii U where I play a game for 2 weeks then wait another 4 months for another game, I may skip it.
I've never understood the impetus to sell a system just because there aren't new games coming out for it. And this isn't exclusive to Nintendo systems, but, for example with the Wii U, I can see myself playing Splatoon, Mario Kart 8, and Mario Maker for a long time. I don't need new games to continue to get value out of my purchase. Then again, I'm the person that still has every system I've ever owned, starting with an Atari 2600.
It depends on what sort of games you prefer to play.
Some people prefer games that go on forever.
Others prefer games that definitively end at a certain point.
Well, I know not everyone is like this, but I also like to replay games that have an ending. So when I want to revisit Twilight Princess, Wind Waker, Mario Galaxy, or Metroid Prime, I'll need a WiiU for that.
Or ... a Wii and a Gamecube? This is actually a great argument to sell the Wii U.
So your suggestion is that I sell a console I already own, to buy two consoles I got rid of, both of which rely on connections that are frequently unsupported on modern TVs, so I can play the same games, at best at the same level of quality, but in some cases, a drastic downgrade from their WiiU versions? Yeah, that is a pretty great argument.
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I guess I'm taking a wait and see approach. I'm disappointed but I also don't think they need e3 either. From the company's perspective it makes more sense to announce in an environment they can completely control. But it's still a bummer to have to wait longer.
Honestly, though I think they've already said it will be after, it would have been cool if they announced NX before e3 so they could show off all the NX launch titles they have coming.
I don't think Nintendo much cares about E3 in all honesty. They seem to prefer to circulate their info via Directs, which they can put out whenever they want to and which get massive coverage anyways. It allows them to control the narrative much more than an E3 presentation.
Basically they can put out an NX direct at any point between here and March and get the information out there when they want it, instead of being tied to E3. Hell even with E3 they tend to do digital presentations anyways.
Snubbing Gamer Christmas just reinforces the narrative that Nintendo is out of touch with the industry.
It's their way of doing things.
They imitate Apple in that aspect. "Android? Nokia? Please!"
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I don't think Nintendo much cares about E3 in all honesty. They seem to prefer to circulate their info via Directs, which they can put out whenever they want to and which get massive coverage anyways. It allows them to control the narrative much more than an E3 presentation.
Basically they can put out an NX direct at any point between here and March and get the information out there when they want it, instead of being tied to E3. Hell even with E3 they tend to do digital presentations anyways.
Snubbing Gamer Christmas just reinforces the narrative that Nintendo is out of touch with the industry.
It is going to hurt missing Christmas for a console launch.
Maybe they are hoping to have the NX be the purchase for tax return season.
Actually that's a good idea of where to spend next year's return.
Of course, it's all fungible (since otherwise i would have punted most of my return towards student loans, since that's where my big deduction is anyway)
Has there been any rumors or rumblings about 3rd party support on NX?
Also seems crazy to postpone NX past the holidays when there are many indicators that Sony and maybe Microsoft are going to have upgraded hardware to sell by the end of the year.
I don't think Nintendo much cares about E3 in all honesty. They seem to prefer to circulate their info via Directs, which they can put out whenever they want to and which get massive coverage anyways. It allows them to control the narrative much more than an E3 presentation.
Basically they can put out an NX direct at any point between here and March and get the information out there when they want it, instead of being tied to E3. Hell even with E3 they tend to do digital presentations anyways.
Snubbing Gamer Christmas just reinforces the narrative that Nintendo is out of touch with the industry.
That's not even remotely true. If anything it shows they are more in tune with where the industry should be going. I love E3 as much as the next guy, but in an ever increasing age of fast information it's becoming more and more irrelevant and actively detrimental to the development process. There is so much focus on it and making special presentations for it when instead Developers need to utilize the current media tools to spread their information at appropriate times, not some arbitrary event that happens once a year.
It made much more sense when it was a major outlet of information in a time when you needed a centralized information outlet, but these days it it far outstripped by other information avenues. Youtube, Twitch, Facebook, twitter, etc all can carry the information they want directly to the fans they want, on a schedule they want without being in direct competition with competitors on the same space.
In short it's a circus, sure it's fun, but in terms of relaying info? It's sub par at best, especially since it's only once a year and developers have to work around that schedule, regardless of how it impacts their development.
I mean look at what we're discussing here, we're saying if Nintendo doesn't show NX at this E3, then it will be too late by the time the next E3 comes around. Which is an asinine concept, why is E3 the only time they can showcase a new console? Why can't they show it later this year in a focused Direct?
This ingrained idea that they have to do it at E3 is the exact problem. They've already shown that multiple Directs throughout the year is effective at releasing information when they want to release it, instead of a rushed lump at E3 simply because it's E3.
I'll use another example, Final Fantasy XV. They just did a huge event where they released a lot of information about the game, in a venue focused entirely on the game. And they streamed it live so anyone could tune in and check it out. they didn't have to worry about cutting into another teams slot, they put on exactly the show they wanted to do in the time frame they wanted to do it and hit a massive audience of people. It was an amazing presentation.
That's what we should be seeing more of, instead of cramming as much information as possible into one event once a year just because that's how it's been done.
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I'm fine with the NX coming out next March. I'd rather they have some time to get some quality games ready.
I still can't quite believe they're no going to mention anything about it at E3 though. I mean, they've got to get people on board this thing as soon as possible. Why not at least reveal what the hell it is and what it can do at E3?
Has there been any rumors or rumblings about 3rd party support on NX?
Also seems crazy to postpone NX past the holidays when there are many indicators that Sony and maybe Microsoft are going to have upgraded hardware to sell by the end of the year.
E3 is going to be strange this year.
We're positive it's getting Dragon Quest XI since SE let it slip. Rumors include Final Fantasy XV, XIV, Beyond Good and Evil 2, and select indies. Someone out of GAF claimed that they were in a closed beta for an unnamed multiplat where the admins said the game was also NX bound.
I don't think Nintendo much cares about E3 in all honesty. They seem to prefer to circulate their info via Directs, which they can put out whenever they want to and which get massive coverage anyways. It allows them to control the narrative much more than an E3 presentation.
Basically they can put out an NX direct at any point between here and March and get the information out there when they want it, instead of being tied to E3. Hell even with E3 they tend to do digital presentations anyways.
Snubbing Gamer Christmas just reinforces the narrative that Nintendo is out of touch with the industry.
That's not even remotely true. If anything it shows they are more in tune with where the industry should be going. I love E3 as much as the next guy, but in an ever increasing age of fast information it's becoming more and more irrelevant and actively detrimental to the development process. There is so much focus on it and making special presentations for it when instead Developers need to utilize the current media tools to spread their information at appropriate times, not some arbitrary event that happens once a year.
It made much more sense when it was a major outlet of information in a time when you needed a centralized information outlet, but these days it it far outstripped by other information avenues. Youtube, Twitch, Facebook, twitter, etc all can carry the information they want directly to the fans they want, on a schedule they want without being in direct competition with competitors on the same space.
In short it's a circus, sure it's fun, but in terms of relaying info? It's sub par at best, especially since it's only once a year and developers have to work around that schedule, regardless of how it impacts their development.
I mean look at what we're discussing here, we're saying if Nintendo doesn't show NX at this E3, then it will be too late by the time the next E3 comes around. Which is an asinine concept, why is E3 the only time they can showcase a new console? Why can't they show it later this year in a focused Direct?
This ingrained idea that they have to do it at E3 is the exact problem. They've already shown that multiple Directs throughout the year is effective at releasing information when they want to release it, instead of a rushed lump at E3 simply because it's E3.
I'll use another example, Final Fantasy XV. They just did a huge event where they released a lot of information about the game, in a venue focused entirely on the game. And they streamed it live so anyone could tune in and check it out. they didn't have to worry about cutting into another teams slot, they put on exactly the show they wanted to do in the time frame they wanted to do it and hit a massive audience of people. It was an amazing presentation.
That's what we should be seeing more of, instead of cramming as much information as possible into one event once a year just because that's how it's been done.
An example of the issues you're talking about: The Phantom Dust HD trailer at E3 2014 is cited as a major turning point in the game getting shitcanned.
A theory I've heard passed around -- Nintendo showing just Zelda would make the matter of this year's lineup seem less disappointing than if they showed Zelda and the meager handful of other stuff. Makes psychological sense.
Then again, it's a soft confirmation that we're just getting a meager handful of stuff for the rest of the year. Man. I can't think of a system that had a worse last year before the successor hit. PSP, maybe?
Has there been any rumors or rumblings about 3rd party support on NX?
Also seems crazy to postpone NX past the holidays when there are many indicators that Sony and maybe Microsoft are going to have upgraded hardware to sell by the end of the year.
E3 is going to be strange this year.
Namco has a good relationship with Nintendo as far as I can tell. Tekken 7? Pokken Plus?
Maybe Monolith has something cool to show. Camelot?
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Nintendo has always been the company that will wait to announce something until they either have something incredibly substantial or it's coming out in the next few months. So I'm fairly confident they'll have a number of things to announce.
At the very least, with Zelda being a no-go this year, they better have some stuff.
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Has there been any rumors or rumblings about 3rd party support on NX?
Also seems crazy to postpone NX past the holidays when there are many indicators that Sony and maybe Microsoft are going to have upgraded hardware to sell by the end of the year.
E3 is going to be strange this year.
We're positive it's getting Dragon Quest XI since SE let it slip. Rumors include Final Fantasy XV, XIV, Beyond Good and Evil 2, and select indies. Someone out of GAF claimed that they were in a closed beta for an unnamed multiplat where the admins said the game was also NX bound.
Wait, BG&E2 is still a thing?
That's as surprising as it coming to the next NIntendo console in its own right.
You know, this stuff on this page about E3 is true.
I mean setting aside everything else already mentioned...showing off your new console at E3 does nothing but invite comparison and makes it a competition. We're all very familiar with game release gluts destroying the chance for lower tier games getting attention and sales. Why not the same for information? Why should they risk getting laughed off as "the worst of the three conferences" despite giving it their best, when they have the chance of being the ONLY big announcement happening at some later date, when no one else has anything they can say in response?
Plus now they get to see Sony and MS's half step console plans and react accordingly, marketing-wise and for decision making or anything else, instead of playing catch up the day of E3. Like Sony learning about motion control just before and coming up with Sixaxis on the spot. No corporate espionage required, just watch the same spectacle as everyone else and make your own spectacle later.
A theory I've heard passed around -- Nintendo showing just Zelda would make the matter of this year's lineup seem less disappointing than if they showed Zelda and the meager handful of other stuff. Makes psychological sense.
Then again, it's a soft confirmation that we're just getting a meager handful of stuff for the rest of the year. Man. I can't think of a system that had a worse last year before the successor hit. PSP, maybe?
I would say the Wii, but the final year gave me Xenoblade Chronicles and Last Story, two games that I consider the best of what the Wii offers...so yea, Wii U is it then. :P
When asked why Nintendo wasn’t launching the NX in time for this year’s big holiday season, Kimishima explained that Nintendo wanted to make sure there were games to go along with the NX.
So the games weren't ready yet, and I'm pretty sure the culprit is Zelda. I think they want to make sure it's ready for launch plus whatever else they have planned for launch.
Someone on GAF pointed out that Nintendo has a history of promising there won't be a post-launch droughts, so it's hard to say whether it's true or an excuse without having the release schedule in front of us.
Gerstmann's being a cynical goose. Twitch's E3 coverage alone brought in 21 million unique viewers last year, add all the other websites, streams and coverage from mainstream sources (like Jimmy Fallon) and I'd argue E3 is more popular than ever. People point to EA's recent move and yet there's a reason why EA scheduled their event right alongside E3 and it's not because they don't think E3's relevant anymore.
Maybe Monolith has something cool to show. Camelot?
I love both those guys, but the outlook is not so good.
MonolithSoft just released a huge entry in what is currently their only franchise. I have no doubt that they'll eventually make an NX game, but there's not a chance they'll have anything ready in time for launch.
Camelot just released a game too, but I can't imagine that half-assed Mario Tennis shovelware took a lot of development resources. It's possible they may have been developing something else at the same time. Golden Sun is one of the few properties that could get me to buy an NX at launch, so here's hoping.
Gerstmann's being a cynical goose. Twitch's E3 coverage alone brought in 21 million unique viewers last year, add all the other websites, streams and coverage from mainstream sources (like Jimmy Fallon) and I'd argue E3 is more popular than ever. People point to EA's recent move and yet there's a reason why EA scheduled their event right alongside E3 and it's not because they don't think E3's relevant anymore.
Nintendo gets one to two million views on Youtube for each of their Directs and who knows how many views on other platforms. Do a couple a year and you match your 1/3rd share of E3 numbers.
Plus views =/= relevance anyway, in terms of whether it's what's best for developers, publishers, consumers etc. Good points raised earlier on this page.
Honestly, Gerstmann's on to something. Both EA and Activision are skipping E3 completely this year. There's a real question of how E3 can continue as more and more video games shift to digital -- the true purpose of E3 is to get retailers excited enough about upcoming products to carry them. The fact that gamers get a ton of great news is really just a bonus.
That's not to say all this blowout couldn't just shift to digital -- Nintendo's proved their directs and continuing coverage is as good or better than being at the show floor. But digital coverage doesn't need E3 itself.
Isn't there a rumor that Xenoblade X will be ported to the new system as well?
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I just hope that whatever the new system turns out to be, that they ditch the gimmicky motion control BS that's plagued their non-handhelds for the last decade+. Give us real controllers and hardware that's at least on par with what's already available by Sony and Microsoft.
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"E3 is irrelevant" isn't exactly a shocking implication coming from someone like Gerstmann, is it?
I don't know, what kind of person is Gerstmann that would make this un-shocking?
Like I don't know if you mean he's heavyset, so it's hard for him to physically travel there...?
In general I've gotten the impression he isn't much of a Nintendo fan so if anything it's not like him to give them an "out" like this. It's more like a begrudging truth.
But I didn't think it mattered who was making any given statement as long as it's accurate.
"E3 is irrelevant" isn't exactly a shocking implication coming from someone like Gerstmann, is it?
I don't know, what kind of person is Gerstmann that would make this un-shocking?
Like I don't know if you mean he's heavyset, so it's hard for him to physically travel there...?
I wasn't implying something negative about Gerstmann, rather he's someone who struck out on his own and kind of rebelled against mainstream video game "journalism". Him and the Giant Bomb crew have kind of being doing their own thing so it shouldn't come as much surprise that he would make such a statement. I mean correct me if I'm wrong.... it's been a long time since I paid much mind to Giant Bomb. I briefly tried listening to their podcast, it didn't resonate with me, and I haven't kept up on his views all that much. My post wasn't completely rhetorical.
E3 is still relevant at the moment, but it really doesn't need to be / shouldn't be. The vast majority of people are watching the event through streams and videos anyway - so why do we need huge stages and presentations and whatnot? I prefer Nintendo's approach of pre-produced videos because they are 100% in control of what happens and the content is tailored to the format and the audience.
I just don't care about fancy light shows, celebrity appearances, "live" on-stage gameplay, awkward people who should not be in front of an audience and "funny" people making "hilarious" jokes. The only thing of importance is new footage of upcoming games; just give that to me directly and cut out all the fluff.
When asked why Nintendo wasn’t launching the NX in time for this year’s big holiday season, Kimishima explained that Nintendo wanted to make sure there were games to go along with the NX.
So the games weren't ready yet, and I'm pretty sure the culprit is Zelda. I think they want to make sure it's ready for launch plus whatever else they have planned for launch.
Someone on GAF pointed out that Nintendo has a history of promising there won't be a post-launch droughts, so it's hard to say whether it's true or an excuse without having the release schedule in front of us.
Gerstmann's being a cynical goose. Twitch's E3 coverage alone brought in 21 million unique viewers last year, add all the other websites, streams and coverage from mainstream sources (like Jimmy Fallon) and I'd argue E3 is more popular than ever. People point to EA's recent move and yet there's a reason why EA scheduled their event right alongside E3 and it's not because they don't think E3's relevant anymore.
It's entertainment, and it's still information. Of course it's going to bring in views, it is also ingrained in the gamer culture as THE event of the year for gaming. None of the is in contention here, the problem is that there are many other avenues available these days that are better platforms for announcements and information that don't buy into the spectacle that is E3. E3 becoming more popular is not helping honestly, it just creates a reason to make it even more of a spectacle and even more focused on the entertainment aspect.
I think we should have E3, I think it should be a celebration of gaming and entertainment.
But as a platform for information it creates a lot of problems for the developers with how much they have to dance around on it and it fosters this whole competition concept which is not very useful imo.
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My interpretation to what Jeff is saying is that the need to cram the industry into a convention hall, have officials, retailers, press, and consumers all travel there and the expense that goes along with it is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
Mostly because of the fact that companies, like Nintendo, can now produce their own mini press conferences and stream them out worldwide to all interested parties.
If all the big game companies got together and just scheduled to stream their press conferences on an agreed upon date and time, would it really be necessary to fill a convention hall with people?
You're preaching to the choir. I'm someone who believes Nintendo is leaving money on the table by not selling Virtual Console collections at retail.
But historically, that has not been the business model.
That seems to be changing now, however, with a push for backwards compatibility with Microsoft and Sony. I have no problem shelling out, say, $20 for Red Dead Redemption and most/all its DLC to be available for modern consoles. I'd pay a full $60 for a ported Xenoblade X because I love the Xeno games. The good ones, the flawed ones, I love them all.
Really, it seems like console makers are slowly figuring out that people want to be able to play their favorite games regardless of hardware, and that they're willing to re-purchase them at a moderate price to do so. I hope Nintendo recognizes this.
For Xenoblade X, if worst comes to worst, I'll buy a cheap Wii U to play it on sometime in the future. But I'd rather Nintendo come out with a legitimate 3rd option that is on par (if not superior) to what's currently in the console market. That way, I can play the good games I missed and (hopefully) good 1st party titles in franchises I haven't played in for years.
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My interpretation to what Jeff is saying is that the need to cram the industry into a convention hall, have officials, retailers, press, and consumers all travel there and the expense that goes along with it is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
Mostly because of the fact that companies, like Nintendo, can now produce their own mini press conferences and stream them out worldwide to all interested parties.
If all the big game companies got together and just scheduled to stream their press conferences on an agreed upon date and time, would it really be necessary to fill a convention hall with people?
Even bigger question, why do they need to all do it at the same agreed upon date and time?
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Well this is great. I was very excited for Zelda U and it's part of why I even bought a Wii U in the first place. If it wasn't for Smash4 I probably wouldn't have even bought one at all! I feel lied to by Nintendo and I am very angry at them right now. It feels like they have finally said flat out that they are abandoning the Wii U and that I have no interest in supporting those of us who bought the console on the faith that they would deliver in the end.
I will be viewing the NX with alot of skepticism now and won't take them on good faith anymore. That "it's Nintendo, they are weird and slow but ALWAYS deliver" well of faith has dried up for me. Maybe they can restore it over time but I might just wait until the NX has it's first price drop to buy it. I'm angry enough that I want to just say screw Nintendo tbh, but I know I can't because there just isn't anything like first party Nintendo games out there. And they know it, so they crap on their loyal fans because hey we'll just buy it anyways. So frustrating.
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Plus now they get to see Sony and MS's half step console plans and react accordingly, marketing-wise and for decision making or anything else, instead of playing catch up the day of E3. Like Sony learning about motion control just before and coming up with Sixaxis on the spot. No corporate espionage required, just watch the same spectacle as everyone else and make your own spectacle later.
This might let Nintendo sort of sync back up with the other consoles. Since the Wii they've been in this weird space, a half-generation out of step with MS and Sony. Maybe Nintendo can have the NX be competitive with the PS4.5, and when the PS5 comes out release the NX.5.
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So your suggestion is that I sell a console I already own, to buy two consoles I got rid of, both of which rely on connections that are frequently unsupported on modern TVs, so I can play the same games, at best at the same level of quality, but in some cases, a drastic downgrade from their WiiU versions? Yeah, that is a pretty great argument.
I'm confused...would you rather them release an unfinished Zelda and launch a console with no games ready to go?
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Maybe they are hoping to have the NX be the purchase for tax return season.
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I'd like for them to tell us what the NX IS. I'm sick of the rumors. Make them stop.
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Honestly, though I think they've already said it will be after, it would have been cool if they announced NX before e3 so they could show off all the NX launch titles they have coming.
It's their way of doing things.
They imitate Apple in that aspect. "Android? Nokia? Please!"
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Actually that's a good idea of where to spend next year's return.
Of course, it's all fungible (since otherwise i would have punted most of my return towards student loans, since that's where my big deduction is anyway)
Also seems crazy to postpone NX past the holidays when there are many indicators that Sony and maybe Microsoft are going to have upgraded hardware to sell by the end of the year.
E3 is going to be strange this year.
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That's not even remotely true. If anything it shows they are more in tune with where the industry should be going. I love E3 as much as the next guy, but in an ever increasing age of fast information it's becoming more and more irrelevant and actively detrimental to the development process. There is so much focus on it and making special presentations for it when instead Developers need to utilize the current media tools to spread their information at appropriate times, not some arbitrary event that happens once a year.
It made much more sense when it was a major outlet of information in a time when you needed a centralized information outlet, but these days it it far outstripped by other information avenues. Youtube, Twitch, Facebook, twitter, etc all can carry the information they want directly to the fans they want, on a schedule they want without being in direct competition with competitors on the same space.
In short it's a circus, sure it's fun, but in terms of relaying info? It's sub par at best, especially since it's only once a year and developers have to work around that schedule, regardless of how it impacts their development.
I mean look at what we're discussing here, we're saying if Nintendo doesn't show NX at this E3, then it will be too late by the time the next E3 comes around. Which is an asinine concept, why is E3 the only time they can showcase a new console? Why can't they show it later this year in a focused Direct?
This ingrained idea that they have to do it at E3 is the exact problem. They've already shown that multiple Directs throughout the year is effective at releasing information when they want to release it, instead of a rushed lump at E3 simply because it's E3.
I'll use another example, Final Fantasy XV. They just did a huge event where they released a lot of information about the game, in a venue focused entirely on the game. And they streamed it live so anyone could tune in and check it out. they didn't have to worry about cutting into another teams slot, they put on exactly the show they wanted to do in the time frame they wanted to do it and hit a massive audience of people. It was an amazing presentation.
That's what we should be seeing more of, instead of cramming as much information as possible into one event once a year just because that's how it's been done.
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I still can't quite believe they're no going to mention anything about it at E3 though. I mean, they've got to get people on board this thing as soon as possible. Why not at least reveal what the hell it is and what it can do at E3?
We're positive it's getting Dragon Quest XI since SE let it slip. Rumors include Final Fantasy XV, XIV, Beyond Good and Evil 2, and select indies. Someone out of GAF claimed that they were in a closed beta for an unnamed multiplat where the admins said the game was also NX bound.
An example of the issues you're talking about: The Phantom Dust HD trailer at E3 2014 is cited as a major turning point in the game getting shitcanned.
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Then again, it's a soft confirmation that we're just getting a meager handful of stuff for the rest of the year. Man. I can't think of a system that had a worse last year before the successor hit. PSP, maybe?
Namco has a good relationship with Nintendo as far as I can tell. Tekken 7? Pokken Plus?
Maybe Monolith has something cool to show. Camelot?
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At the very least, with Zelda being a no-go this year, they better have some stuff.
Wait, BG&E2 is still a thing?
That's as surprising as it coming to the next NIntendo console in its own right.
I mean setting aside everything else already mentioned...showing off your new console at E3 does nothing but invite comparison and makes it a competition. We're all very familiar with game release gluts destroying the chance for lower tier games getting attention and sales. Why not the same for information? Why should they risk getting laughed off as "the worst of the three conferences" despite giving it their best, when they have the chance of being the ONLY big announcement happening at some later date, when no one else has anything they can say in response?
Plus now they get to see Sony and MS's half step console plans and react accordingly, marketing-wise and for decision making or anything else, instead of playing catch up the day of E3. Like Sony learning about motion control just before and coming up with Sixaxis on the spot. No corporate espionage required, just watch the same spectacle as everyone else and make your own spectacle later.
I would say the Wii, but the final year gave me Xenoblade Chronicles and Last Story, two games that I consider the best of what the Wii offers...so yea, Wii U is it then. :P
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Someone on GAF pointed out that Nintendo has a history of promising there won't be a post-launch droughts, so it's hard to say whether it's true or an excuse without having the release schedule in front of us.
Gerstmann's being a cynical goose. Twitch's E3 coverage alone brought in 21 million unique viewers last year, add all the other websites, streams and coverage from mainstream sources (like Jimmy Fallon) and I'd argue E3 is more popular than ever. People point to EA's recent move and yet there's a reason why EA scheduled their event right alongside E3 and it's not because they don't think E3's relevant anymore.
I love both those guys, but the outlook is not so good.
MonolithSoft just released a huge entry in what is currently their only franchise. I have no doubt that they'll eventually make an NX game, but there's not a chance they'll have anything ready in time for launch.
Camelot just released a game too, but I can't imagine that half-assed Mario Tennis shovelware took a lot of development resources. It's possible they may have been developing something else at the same time. Golden Sun is one of the few properties that could get me to buy an NX at launch, so here's hoping.
Nintendo gets one to two million views on Youtube for each of their Directs and who knows how many views on other platforms. Do a couple a year and you match your 1/3rd share of E3 numbers.
Plus views =/= relevance anyway, in terms of whether it's what's best for developers, publishers, consumers etc. Good points raised earlier on this page.
That's not to say all this blowout couldn't just shift to digital -- Nintendo's proved their directs and continuing coverage is as good or better than being at the show floor. But digital coverage doesn't need E3 itself.
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I just hope that whatever the new system turns out to be, that they ditch the gimmicky motion control BS that's plagued their non-handhelds for the last decade+. Give us real controllers and hardware that's at least on par with what's already available by Sony and Microsoft.
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I don't know, what kind of person is Gerstmann that would make this un-shocking?
Like I don't know if you mean he's heavyset, so it's hard for him to physically travel there...?
In general I've gotten the impression he isn't much of a Nintendo fan so if anything it's not like him to give them an "out" like this. It's more like a begrudging truth.
But I didn't think it mattered who was making any given statement as long as it's accurate.
To what end? They could make a Game of the Year Edition for Japan that includes all the DLC, but the west already got the DLC for free.
I wasn't implying something negative about Gerstmann, rather he's someone who struck out on his own and kind of rebelled against mainstream video game "journalism". Him and the Giant Bomb crew have kind of being doing their own thing so it shouldn't come as much surprise that he would make such a statement. I mean correct me if I'm wrong.... it's been a long time since I paid much mind to Giant Bomb. I briefly tried listening to their podcast, it didn't resonate with me, and I haven't kept up on his views all that much. My post wasn't completely rhetorical.
I just don't care about fancy light shows, celebrity appearances, "live" on-stage gameplay, awkward people who should not be in front of an audience and "funny" people making "hilarious" jokes. The only thing of importance is new footage of upcoming games; just give that to me directly and cut out all the fluff.
It's entertainment, and it's still information. Of course it's going to bring in views, it is also ingrained in the gamer culture as THE event of the year for gaming. None of the is in contention here, the problem is that there are many other avenues available these days that are better platforms for announcements and information that don't buy into the spectacle that is E3. E3 becoming more popular is not helping honestly, it just creates a reason to make it even more of a spectacle and even more focused on the entertainment aspect.
I think we should have E3, I think it should be a celebration of gaming and entertainment.
But as a platform for information it creates a lot of problems for the developers with how much they have to dance around on it and it fosters this whole competition concept which is not very useful imo.
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It's a lot of work and they bemoan that aspect of it, but still think it's currently "worth it"
It doesn't mean they don't see the writing on the wall about its decreasing relevance though
You're preaching to the choir. I'm someone who believes Nintendo is leaving money on the table by not selling Virtual Console collections at retail.
But historically, that has not been the business model.
Other companies have been selling ports at retail for a few years now, and I imagine it's working because people keep releasing them
I fully expect an NX Smash, Splatoon and Mario Maker, even if there's no new content. Could see the same for something like XCX
Mostly because of the fact that companies, like Nintendo, can now produce their own mini press conferences and stream them out worldwide to all interested parties.
If all the big game companies got together and just scheduled to stream their press conferences on an agreed upon date and time, would it really be necessary to fill a convention hall with people?
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That seems to be changing now, however, with a push for backwards compatibility with Microsoft and Sony. I have no problem shelling out, say, $20 for Red Dead Redemption and most/all its DLC to be available for modern consoles. I'd pay a full $60 for a ported Xenoblade X because I love the Xeno games. The good ones, the flawed ones, I love them all.
Really, it seems like console makers are slowly figuring out that people want to be able to play their favorite games regardless of hardware, and that they're willing to re-purchase them at a moderate price to do so. I hope Nintendo recognizes this.
For Xenoblade X, if worst comes to worst, I'll buy a cheap Wii U to play it on sometime in the future. But I'd rather Nintendo come out with a legitimate 3rd option that is on par (if not superior) to what's currently in the console market. That way, I can play the good games I missed and (hopefully) good 1st party titles in franchises I haven't played in for years.
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Even bigger question, why do they need to all do it at the same agreed upon date and time?
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I will be viewing the NX with alot of skepticism now and won't take them on good faith anymore. That "it's Nintendo, they are weird and slow but ALWAYS deliver" well of faith has dried up for me. Maybe they can restore it over time but I might just wait until the NX has it's first price drop to buy it. I'm angry enough that I want to just say screw Nintendo tbh, but I know I can't because there just isn't anything like first party Nintendo games out there. And they know it, so they crap on their loyal fans because hey we'll just buy it anyways. So frustrating.